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Overcoming Elite Child Sex Slavery & Pedophilia - Part 3 Anneke Lucas SOTTOTITOLI-SUBTITLES
Feb 18, 2025
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In this 4 part series, we speak with Anneke Lucas as she describes her riveting story of growing up as a sex slave to high profile politicians. She reveals how things operate, her in depth story, and an incredibly important underlying message of global healing we can all go through as the widespread reality of this becomes more clear to humanity.
In questa serie in 4 parti, parliamo con Anneke Lucas mentre descrive la sua avvincente storia di crescita come schiava sessuale di politici di alto profilo. Rivela come funzionano le cose, la sua storia approfondita e un messaggio sottostante incredibilmente importante di guarigione globale che tutti noi possiamo attraversare mentre la realtà diffusa di questo diventa più chiara per l'umanità.
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okay so welcome to part three here in part three we're going to start getting into the journey that annika
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went through as she began to go through the healing process go through the ev the aftermath if you will
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of everything that sort of came after how she went from you know going through an incredibly
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challenging period incredibly challenging time in her life to ultimately getting where she is today
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which as you can see in the interview yes there's some still some emotions and stuff like that but for the most part she is incredibly well
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sort of stable and at a state of peace about what has taken place which is insanely inspiring when you begin to go
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through and you you pay attention to the rest of this journey here which we'll talk about a little bit further as
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as we get to the end of part four but for now let's dive into part three and really start seeing how this all
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sort of came together afterwards so we left off before taking a break
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with this amazing story which i'd love to talk to you about for hours
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and hopefully we get back to it in some capacities um this was
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as far as i understand pretty much the end of your involvement with the network but you can can you tell us what came after and then
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we'll move forward from there yes so
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he he told me to wait outside there was a body in the room so i waited outside i remember
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sitting under an evergreen tree it was october of 1974 and i remember
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[Music] enjoying the breath
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just these very basic things became very poignant
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and empty he drove me home
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and on the way home it was raining it was just pre-dawn the wipers
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and he told me everything that i should do in my life
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he told me instructions and the first one was that i should never become a prostitute
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that i should never sleep with anyone for anything that i should never take any money
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um that i should never become a drug addict that i should never do anything to get drugs that i could
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take drugs only if they're given to me but i should never do anything to get
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them i should not become an alcoholic i should have maybe one glass i'm 11 years old
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i should have maybe one glass or two a night no more no heavy liquor stay away from the
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liquors i should get out of this country we're in belgium
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yes he said you have to get out of this country you don't want to be here in the 80s you're going to get out as soon as you
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can go to london paris new york you're going to go to new york
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and he said you're going to go back home you got to stay home with your
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parents but you're going to get out as soon as you can just um
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just stay there until you know you're old enough to leave
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um he told me you have to get married he said you can't
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you should not marry an older man who made his own fortune you should marry someone who's younger
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around your age who comes from a wealthy family preferably a family of new york bankers
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that's what he said now he was thinking about a particular perpetrator
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and that family now but i did have these these um instructions
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with me i carried them with me [Music] he said you should never speak about the
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network if you ever say anything then we're going to come after you and we're going to find you and kill
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you so that was also very clear
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i think those are the main ones and he drove me home
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i reconnected with him emotionally sexually one last time so that i i think intuitively to make
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sure that i would um take those instructions very much to heart and
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and he he then told me his whole story his personal story of being abused being
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raped by not he didn't call it rape but he basically very shamefully said that
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his father had stabbed him in the back of the knee as he had me and that
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his father had found him with his mother and that i guess he felt betrayed by him and so
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he had this this carried this thing on his shoulders always that he's a traitor
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and then he did betray me and he betrayed his friends and
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he did that but he also had that had that imposed on him by his his father who called him
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a traitor for sleeping with his mother when he was 12 years old
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so he gave me drugs to deal with my mother in the following
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weeks because he figured that she would be angry and so he gave me some opioid sleeping
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pills and everything and he said again don't take too much you can only take half a day no more
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um but i um and then he let he sent me he basically let me go
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i needed the drugs with my mother and she actually tried to take me back
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one last time she did take me back one last time behind
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behind the back of the bosses clearly and to a group of uh extremely um
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sadistic aristocrats that i i had seen one before i knew that
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children did not make it through the night with them and they were
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they she took me there it was in the kitchen of a castle it was after a hunt in daytime
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and their prey was lying on the floor and
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the subject came up that i was a freebie and that it was said that my mother
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just couldn't help herself that i wasn't supposed to be used anymore and one of the men there that i'd not
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seen before but i've recognized since as a a european um
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aristocrat said well she wants us my mother wants
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us to do her dirty work for her i'm not gonna be part of this he left
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and another man left with him two other men left with him two men stayed i was abused again
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and that was the last time that i was taken to the network
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then i stayed home until i was 15 16 years old
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i wasn't home very much i left school when i was 15.
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i started having trouble at school to middle school i doubled it twice actually the eight ninth grade i
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guess i doubled twice um i left
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um i left um
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my parents when i was 16. i lived with a man who was you know was actually called sex trafficking today
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he was uh in his thirties and um
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i left him and then left the country i was
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18 i think when i left the country i went first went to the south of france
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where i had originally wanted to escape um then i moved from there to london
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i lived there then i moved to paris and then i moved to new york so all the
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state the cities that he had named like thinking out loud i went and lived in all of them and then i
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i i landed in new york and you were by yourself and and how did you had money
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to no no i i just found work everywhere menial jobs actually
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there because i was so centralized i attracted men very strongly so there
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were a lot of offers that i didn't take so there was a lot of modeling offers and
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that i just didn't um didn't feel comfortable first of all in front of it's been a long journey to feel
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okay in front of a camera because there were so many cameras used when i was a child and
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so i could not get over that trauma but also this idea that i should hide
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because he was a gangster you know so i should hide i should not speak and then not speaking was like i should
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be small i should keep myself really small so i just had menial jobs i did you know
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i was always good with languages so i would be do secretarial work or um
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and i just made my way and made my way um to new york and
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um where i'd been taken where i've been
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trafficked before so there were things that were coming back but i couldn't believe it i started to
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remember things i'm a young adult now and the images come back but i can't believe
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it and so it gets pushed back or every time something comes back i start
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to think oh if that's true i'm going to kill myself
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that was rather common like if that's true and there was this it was
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maybe repetitive sometimes some images came back uh then i'm going to kill myself
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so i'm trying to understand when you when you when you left belgium let's say
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uh you only had partial memories no no memories really no memories
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so you'd gotten the advice from him to i didn't remember him you didn't even remember him no so you went through a period of
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somehow the long period but but i mean to say the
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i like during the during the time during the time period we talked about
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also you didn't really have any memories of something that had happened you know six months before your
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before often yes and so when i met the with the gangster who was asking me i just answered and in
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answering i started remembering so i had certain memories when he was asking me
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questions about things it came back then but yes in the network certainly i know i did not remember
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things and was there some programming for you not to remember things as part of
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yeah yeah that was the whole point i think the dissociation that happens through trauma is part of the
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training and um to get into an altar and then in the altar
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goes and pleases the man and sexually um that was definitely
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i mean that was always there through the abuse itself but then there was also the actual training
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in germany that was very specifically working with all this precise knowledge about how trauma works
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and how the association works and how alters can be called out
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through cues do you feel like you had alters
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specifically sure yeah i had alters and i had certain cues not through the network because i wasn't
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connected anymore i'd been rejected by the one and then had been put out taken taken
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out rescued by the other so i um i didn't have actual cues to go
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and please men anymore from the network like certain people that i know they got they
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would get a call and then there'd be you know the voice would say a word and they would go and do
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go certain places and knew what they had to do so that was never my case but sometimes things were
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triggered through certain cues internal or external and i would
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go into a certain program and all quite unconsciously really
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okay so you're in new york and how old were you when you got to new york i was in my uh
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20s early 20s 23 1985
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although possible that it was 1984 because i think the challenger exploded right um as i after i got here
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okay so i um i lived here for several years then
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i went to los angeles for a class and stayed there and after some time there i
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started going to therapy and soon after i started therapy
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i um broke through something something was broken through and i
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started to cry and i just cried and cried and cried for three weeks
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because i and i felt that for the first time in my adult life i found something
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real and this was not something that had been repressed that was something later on
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that had happened that this person was abusive and i had was protecting them i didn't see
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it as abusive so in the tears i felt
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there's something real here so i wanted to start exploring so i started to go into deeper into
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therapy i really liked therapy i really liked the concept
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and then i went to several therapists i or circumstances i didn't really fire
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everybody but that i just knew that i couldn't go farther i could go this far but no farther i couldn't really
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i started get more and more flashback racks of the network but i didn't have any context for it
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because i never heard of anything like that that was just i think in the early 90s i
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started to hear about it with they called it satanic panic but in the 80s
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i don't think i was i never saw anything i just didn't know where this could be
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coming from how how this could possibly be true
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and and then um so there were more and more
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flashbacks but i just try to just push them back because every time i had a flashback i also had a
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suicide program i had a message that i should just kill myself and then these messages started becoming quite persistent
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of how i should kill myself and it became but i never wanted to go there it was a clear resistance to
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to it as well um but then
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i moved back to new york in um 97
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and it was i was already back in new york when i found out about the dutch
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case in belgium right and this was right when i was looking for a therapist at the time and the two case
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was suddenly giving me the context of my experiences and
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people had already come forward and it was already at a place i think i found out about it when the
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magistrate who was going to who who was sincere and who said he's going to
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get to the bottom of this he was already taken off the case and so i knew that nothing was going to
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happen so i never even considered testifying
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for the little case and all the testimonies because people did come forward and specifically
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one woman regina luff whose experience was very similar to mine
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as extreme similar people even involved and of course i was before
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duterte was involved he's more my age so i was sold before he was
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old enough to be active but she had seen him and she started remembering a lot as she
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was testifying so she was very raw and but no
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you know the support system were the the cops that were listening to her but those cops were thrown off the case
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as well right so the two case gave me this
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context but i still couldn't really quite believe it well he himself was saying that there is
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a ring he said that at first yes afterwards he said no oh okay yeah when he was first caught he
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said that he was just the small and that he was there he had friends in high places yeah yeah
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um that would protect him which clearly he was somewhat protected um but also
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30 30 people there's a book out about 30 people that were killed that had some
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evidence leading to the existence of the network and all the testimonies relating to the the network were cut off from
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the trial that took eight years to come forward to to come to trial so
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when 2004 by that time um well i distanced myself
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from belgium a lot obviously and that country well they've got something
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to deal with there that it's not being dealt with there's the the people went back into denial i think
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and maybe hopelessness when nothing came after the true case
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but meanwhile i found a therapist who even though she didn't she wasn't an expert in this kind of work she was
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open and i started to
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i started to get into the feeling the feelings so the horror
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the horror of certain things that i'd witnessed and that i'd experienced but it was mostly the horror the pain
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was mostly for others not so much for myself it was for more for the other children
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and betrayals because i was so attached to these father figures and so just
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to move from the perspective that they were my father and that they were this person who loved me so much
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to move from that perspective of the child to the perspective of the adult who sees
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the abuse and who just takes everything into consideration
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that is the journey of healing from the child's perspective
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to connect with all the feelings that have had to be split off in order to keep that image
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alive of that person and then they split off feelings um
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they have their own life disconnected from the from the source and then you know i was
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constantly in some kind of part of my trauma story always ex re-experiencing these feelings but not
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really connected so with the therapy and the specific connecting
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uh of the feelings with the original cause that into when that happened when that
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uh when i was grieving in therapy for what had actually happened first of all i knew that it had
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happened i didn't have to wonder if it was real or not and and i also knew a lot more because i
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understood i understood i was learning
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you know everything i saw everything that i had done before that was separate you know how these feelings had gone into other places
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and i was seeing how um i had been repeating this and i was seeing how i was now different
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actually cellularly different from the integration that that was occurring
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that i didn't just feel more whole but i was actually a different person looking out of different eyes
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and people were responding to me differently and the bigger the pain and the
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suffering and the bigger the the issue or the betrayal that i was working through the bigger
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the change and the integration afterwards so i always felt this very spiritual
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deeply spiritual work and feel this growth and it's
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exponential um i get to be more myself i get to get a sense
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of who i am through it the petroleum versus what i've tried to
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impose the all the personas that i've tried to take on you're talking about things that cannot
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be described in words right it's true and we do our best yes you know our own experiences that don't
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have words and to put words to them but their words become pointers to say there
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is such an experience you're aware now there's such an experience though you're not going to
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have the experience by just hearing about it it's going to be by going through it exactly it's not the knowledge that's
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conveyed by passing along information it's experiential
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and it's actually the way through feeling so connecting
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those repressed feelings with their psychological cause causes this
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integration and the healing that i'm talking about and that is so my
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my healing journey that's been my life the insights that i received the wisdom
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that came from going through these um going through the pain feeling the pain
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connected to its origin the wisdom i received through the suffering
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because i could see that this is true for me and i could then also see that this is true for everyone who will be going through this
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now is it the feeling and being willing to be present to the feeling or sit with the feeling
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that allows you to follow it through to its source it's original it can be
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anything like sitting with the feeling and being with the feeling it sounds almost funny because i would be
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it was at times so dramatic so dark so the tears were just um the
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physical pain the physical endurance needed to even have the grief right because it's so
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big um but as opposed to running away from this
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uncomfortable way and taking pills i mean nothing against pills you know we all need to
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be able to balance ourselves somehow i've never taken medication i've never taken any
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medication obviously i had suffered from massive depression
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massive um i could have been diagnosed probably as many different things but i my therapist
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bless her soul never really wanted to diagnose me because she wanted to see me
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as whole that's you know that's the start of
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the start of healing is when you have someone who's helping you who says you just find the way you are right yes
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you just find a way you are and she was helping me she became that reflection she became the mother that i
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never had or she became maybe an extension of the original caretaker who was also
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a sweet woman so there was these qualities of humility and sweetness
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and acceptance and no judgment and that um
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like she could honor me for what i went through even if i couldn't honor myself
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and she became the safe person she was very thorough very smart so so she wouldn't let anything pass or she
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because she was thorough i started to trust her that's how i picked her actually because
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she was thorough she was mindful and brought things through
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and she wanted to honor your commitment to feeling the feelings and getting through them yes right yes
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and she never had a question about you know even though we were going to these extremely dark places
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there was never you know it was never she never doubted it never doubt and
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never you know she'd never heard of it before it was as it as you described it and
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that's how she handled it and was this a well she helped me to know also that it was real
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through her reflection um like she like
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it takes a long time to really fully because it's gradual it's a gradual
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process so there's always there would always be this moment that maybe it wasn't real you know maybe it
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was well maybe i made it all up so she would always help me never [Music]
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never imposing anything right but just to help me you know get back to myself
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and was this a psychotherapy yes yeah this is classic psychotherapy and then i
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some years later so i was already doing yoga then so i was in therapy not with this
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therapist but i was in therapy when i started yoga in the early 90s and i immediately felt
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oh this is the physical therapy i've always needed because the breath a lot the breath and the movement alignment
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so i used so i wanted to use yoga but i didn't like the way it was
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done i was
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it wasn't conducive to healing but i knew that it was healing so i was doing it anyway
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and just getting over the obstacles every time of the ignorance of the teachers so
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you're talking about like the typical westernization of yoga and going into a studio and it's just
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all about postures and posturing which physical therapy i needed it was great
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but then i also entered and i was at a bookstore in los angeles
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and saw their picture the picture of the being that i had seen and i was on the other
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side wow
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and then that memory started to started to come back but again it was like no but familiar
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and best question man or woman i don't know that was all it was a question even on
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the other side man or woman i don't know so that was paramahansa yogananda
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speechless wow yeah so i started to
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well i read the book the autobiography of yogi [Music] and i started going to the i was turns
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out i was living right by the temple the hollywood temple at the time so i
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started uh the meditations there in the early 90s and i
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so i'm still on that path so that was the yoga like the raja yoga the the path and then
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there was hatha yoga which was like the the physical therapy except that it was that that there was a
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lot of confusion in the hatha yoga world what was spiritual and what was physical
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so but with the guru that i had you know i would just see these other gurus and
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their way falling back into the same issue as the people who were so powerful in my youth
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and here are these these other people who become gurus and who are becoming addicted to the power yeah yeah
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and i've always been prone to wanting power because i didn't have any
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self-esteem so without the self-esteem
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well i said it earlier before we were recording but without self-esteem it's really really
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difficult to live because self-esteem navigates you
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through the world and without without it which was me for
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the longest time no self-esteem
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all there is the best way is there's drugs you know to forget about everything and then there's power
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which is supported by everything in the world
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right okay well now i'm somebody um and that was offered in the beginning
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through the photo modeling and everything and then it came in different ways it was always somehow there
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and i was also attracting men of power just into my sphere because of my past because they
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were like oh there's something there for me and like psychically like okay i'll give it to you
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but not really because now i'm not um i don't have to
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so no particular physical contact with people of power or fame you know kind of
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the same a different version of the the same addiction
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so i i was always observing i felt like a spy i was trained as a spy
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um to find people's weaknesses but now i was always felt like i was a little bit spying in
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sort of the power dynamics looking at power dynamics and how people we respond differently around someone with
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power or how they respond differently to me according to how they see me right
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so uh so in my own healing there were certain people who were able
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to get through to me so at first i was completely shut up shut down
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as a young adult nobody could get through and then certain people did and so my
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therapist was like the therapist i mentioned was over the long over long run she got through to me but
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there were people who could do it in an instant and they all had these particular things in common
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i saw them as an authority so whatever for whatever reason they were i put them in a position of authority
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over me so i gave them my power but they didn't act like it they didn't act like they were
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attached to that power they didn't need they weren't addicted themselves so they didn't need this status
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that they didn't need the power i gave them so they were humble so they weren't playing the role because
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if i see somebody as powerful if i have that projection they're actually already an abuser
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they're a substitute abuser for me and i'm going to do what people do with people who are scary
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i'm going to please them right like a child so i'm going to placate them but they don't care about
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that either they don't want me to uplift them they don't need that so then i'm like where there's something
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off here in this dynamic it's not working um but i can also tell
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you that a lot of men absolutely are you know when you start to butter them up they really love it they
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need it and then that's it but then they're done for me
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right i'm done with them then right but um those people that were not attached to it they were
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not playing the role of the abuser then i would start to test them because now
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they are you know they're safe right they've now told me that they're not the scary person they're safe
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so i'm gonna like start poking yeah yeah to see if it's just a clever ruse on
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their part they're playing it yes and this young part in me uh needs
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needs love needs real love versus abuse so she's trying to to test this
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but children do so now then i'll be testing and then well then
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there's another whole bunch that would leave you then right there you know because then they judge you and then there's some people that didn't
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judge me so if i if they were not judging me then and it's like completely confused
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and this state of confusion it's in the power dynamics starting with
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someone who i saw as an abuser and it goes for everybody but in this this specific power dynamic
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like say two people they have gone against my expectations several
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times and here i am i'm vulnerable just like the moment
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before abuse happens there's vulnerability because you feel something's different but you don't quite know what
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so there's this moment and in that moment i could just be vulnerable and then that
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would be it but if they said something verbally that was an affirmation of me
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that was something confirming that i'm valid that i have valid as validity as a human being that i'm good
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they can just say you're a good person or um something specific about me that's
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positive then it would immediately throw me into the healing into the grief actually
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would immediately make it clear that i was projecting the difference with the abuser before
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the um that i that the difference with what the the
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abuser had originally done versus what was happening here the unconditional love that i was receiving now the
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acceptance and that's what moved me away gradually from
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this idea that the abusers are all powerful and that i have to adhere to their rules completely which i guess
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i never completely did so finally you had some models that were powerful and yet uh would not take
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advantage of that you could allow yourself to be vulnerable and then
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that at that moment something resonated if it's a if it's a very high sort of idea or emotion or feeling
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it just resonates to say that's real that's real that's more real than this game that i was in before yes
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absolutely that's the model of unconditional love and that's the basis those four
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conditions are the basis of the unconditional model which is a healing modality that
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i've come up with in in my years of the work that i've been doing
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and but this was before these things happened before i had any self-esteem when i really needed the
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power and i didn't have any way to navigate myself it was difficult difficult to live because i
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didn't really want the power i wanted it but i didn't want it so it was very difficult
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it's very difficult to say no to the power and then feel all the
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feelings on the other side of it because when you look at someone who has power you can just assume that on the other
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side of that high that they're getting there that they're that you may be giving them by putting them up there because this
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new politician who is going to make a change you know whatever you're doing there on the other
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side of that is their sense of humiliation their insecurity about who they are um
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that's the darkness is that the child's fears that they're bad and
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invariably with all the people in power all of them they have this other side which is a hurt little child that
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they cannot get in touch with because the shame is too great and their protection of
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their own power figures has been too strong too they're too afraid to break out of
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it they're too uh badly equipped
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mentally emotionally to so it's the weak people that have power and that perpetuate the system of power
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abuse right and that requires that a whole segment of the population is suffering
38:22
right so that they can feel that they deserve where they are
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and whether it's the prisoners people of color in this country women to a large degree
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but then women are also into different categories but they're always they always are i think most women are
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aware that they don't have the privilege of men right through all the harassment and the
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disrespect that you get as a woman so it's all set up and
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in a way that you're supposed to climb and that climbing means from poor to rich
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and it means to move away from your trauma and your pain to the top where you can
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be in the role of the authority that was abusive to you when you were little so that you can
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then pass it on onto everybody that's below you yeah and in the process not have to
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experience it within yourself all to avoid that yeah it's all to avoid that so
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this outer war to a certain degree in the state of the
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world has a lot to do with each person not just those powerful persons who are
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the sickest elements among us that's why they're not among us they are they are covering their sickness all the
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time like psycho psychopathy is a an intelligent psych psychopath is maybe the most dangerous person
39:46
on earth because you know there are psychopaths who have maybe 20 victims but the
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psychopaths that are in charge of the world they are creating you know um to hundreds of millions of
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victims without blinking yeah
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and there's definitely that sickness and the reason that the world is in this state is because
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they're brainwashing there's a so there's first there's this this hurt little child is hiding
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underneath the powerful person and the armor is the power that's around them so you
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never get to the child and they don't either and then there's all these lies that have to be
40:30
put out to keep the lie in place that a person of power is actually that big authority that we
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need to listen to because if we don't listen anymore if we don't give them that power if we
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then there will be nothing there it will be gone giving them that power
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so so that really speaks to that kind of leads us into this idea of how do we
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heal the planet now in this time of awakening how do we what's our role as individuals in that
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process so what would you if you can expand on that like for for everybody that's
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that's watching so my um role i guess has something to do with
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the experiences that i went through and were all about power i was always
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looking at power and the healing modality has to do with looking at power dynamics
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in order to look at external power dynamics and how we fit
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in there and internal power dynamics that's to say
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who do we still look up to as our internal children that have been
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traumatized that are still looking for a savior still looking for daddies to looking for mommy
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and who do we look down to as these aspects of ourselves that we have
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yet to embrace that we have the shame we have been shamed so we have
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um we have rejected those aspects of ourselves we cannot face that you know too much shame
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that's who we judge so i spent most of my adult life looking down on extremely powerful men
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whereas most people it's a little bit different right it's like if you're more into the the conventional power structure you
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look down on the poor because they are not you know but somebody who is completely in line
42:35
with the conventional power structure whose inner and outer chart
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of the power structure is completely is the same as the inner is the same as the outer that
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would be a psychopath that's somebody who has who looks up to people are in power and looks down at
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people who are not and just basing their own
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self-esteem and sense of self and identification all based on where they are at in this power structure
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external power structure so all their value comes from without and and and this network and the people
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in this network their big motivation is to rise up in the structure and keep yes getting higher and higher so that
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they have more power to exert and more of a group below them to
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to oppress or they're born into it and um but the those who are born into it
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so at the bottom of this is child abuse and so
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the agenda is to sexualize and pornography you know the pornographication of
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everything and the sexualization of everything that the eventual goal of that is that
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that child abuse would be accepted and you do your research i'm
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sure you know that there's a lot of voices that are going in that direction especially in belgium and holland which
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is i think i think that um we were sort of like a test market for the agenda oh yeah i think so i
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think so it's certainly a concentration of those those most you know these ideas
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that directly come from the agenda that i overheard this perpetrator speak about with his
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friend and
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so with the like there's so there's an attempt out there to sexualize
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yes and normalize normalize child sexual abuse so that
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that is the the hurt child self those children from the families are
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also abused they're also being indoctrinated into the system through abuse and some of them
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have also been trained like me we're also sent to these training
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facilities which are not training it's just torture um
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and used for special purposes and um so i think that the
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the way to humanize the most evil men and women in the world um
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is to say that to look at the fact that privilege exists
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and privilege acts as this external um way to keep the system in place
45:40
that you you're born into privilege then you never even know that you're attached to it but it's at the expense of all these
45:47
people who don't have that privilege so that's how it works and the more privilege you have
45:52
you can be completely ignorant and think that you're just you know a good person except that
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that this your ignorance is causing all this pain with people who don't have
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that privilege um and it's just the awareness of it it's not that well you're you know there's something wrong for you
46:12
for being born no it's just being aware of what you're receiving just by being
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male is a really big one but white is another big one and um you know this know what you're
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receiving for free that you may have a set you may think that you you have a good self-esteem and wonder
46:31
why the woman doesn't for example you know and i can tell you why she doesn't
46:37
but that privilege is these layers layers of the societal layers that
46:44
keep the structure in place that the great equalizer is that the children
46:49
are all vulnerable so children are born they may be born with privilege but they
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don't have any power and as children all children are the
47:00
same and they're all vulnerable extremely vulnerable they're the most vulnerable
47:05
and so the system goes to the children and perverts them
47:13
because someone who completely is completely loyal to their perpetrator their abuser that they loved
47:21
and children love so this my main perpetrator he was loving his abuser and that's how he was
47:28
being loyal by abusing me and doing everything that he did was in loyalty to this
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um their abuser so he was coming from a five-year-old boy place yeah they were modeling it for him
47:40
and then he was going ahead and doing that as he was doing that he was now there exactly just no no healing in between
47:49
and there's this loyalty to the abuser that is the crux of the paradigm it's
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loyally to the abuser loyalty to the power is loyalty to the abuser
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and their own children are being abused and i think that's the way that we can
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come back to some form of compassion because the the deeds are so dark and
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a lot of people have trouble even um understanding how anybody could ever
48:22
do anything like that and there's a lot to talk about how somebody can gets to a point where they
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do that yeah i know i know how why they do it how they do it and
48:33
but but i can talk about it all day but let's just say that most people hear something like that and go how
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could anybody i have a heart i'm a human being how can one human being do that to another human being
48:45
especially a yeah so we so we can say so right now
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you can take a look at the world and look at the power structure and you can say that whole power
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structure is founded on child abuse the abuse of the children within that power structure
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as the foundation of their later psychopathic behavior and desire to rule and to
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to have power over others in that way absolutely so that's what that's what
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we're dealing with as opposed to we're dealing with isolated incidents of this abuse and that abuse
49:26
it's actually the foundation of the system and that's one thing that we need to
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come to grips with and realize it actually is very enlightening
49:38
to come to that realization and then from there try to piece together not
49:44
just the power structure but our relationship to it right in other words you were talking about
49:50
you can tell something about a person if there's an alignment with the the power right it means we're all
49:57
somewhere on the scale yeah yeah it means you know if you're totally aligned and you just flow into it
50:03
it means you're psychopathic means you're looking up to people who have external power but no internal power
50:08
right you look down to people who have no external power but obviously they have power because
50:14
they're enduring the life that they've had to the strength that comes from that is
50:20
not to be um ignored yeah well that's and and
50:27
once we so so from that side but it's not valued well it's not valued yeah yet it's not i
50:34
mean that's why we're talking one of the reasons we're talking today is to bring
50:39
value to it and make people realize people that have have suffered they're humble they're good people they
50:46
they try to serve others how much not just value to themselves to their
50:52
friends but how much value bringing that forth has in the healing of the world if we
50:58
all come together and realize how we have the power we have the power yeah we do
51:05
yeah so we so my my model is about going inside first
51:12
not outside but first going inside looking at our internal power structure
51:17
to break out of our own internal prisons of power structures to heal because once we do that
51:24
the external structure will fall away that was my journey from being completely you know caught in
51:31
that power structure to doing more and more internal work and the more internal work i was doing
51:37
the less the outer values matter to me so that's each one's journey personal
51:44
journey but on an awareness level it's to understand i think if if you
51:52
assume if you're looking at a politician assuming that
51:59
they there's a hurt little child there that is in need to prove
52:06
to how big they are even if they're not maybe boisterous because you know with trump everybody you know
52:12
there's this huge distraction with trump that uh it's just such a great way to keep the division going like
52:18
oh yeah fantastic you know what a great idea i would have done the same thing if i was
52:23
if i was a social engineer um it's like it seems like we're going
52:29
backward because everybody all the liberals are focusing on trump now but um meanwhile everything's happening
52:36
behind everybody's back and every all the the the the dark agenda is being furthered very well
52:43
and not because of trump but because of um because of um the agenda
52:51
that trump is also just a part of he's not a he's not a he's not like some people in the
52:58
community of uh belief that he's like a white or whatever white hat or whatever he's not
53:04
he's not he is part of it he always was
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and he's no different he just doesn't quite belong because he was the vulgar one right he's
53:15
the one who who's not um who doesn't play the game in the smart way
53:20
he's just too obvious but he's easy an easy target and that's why
53:26
you know look at look how easy he was and um just to serve as such a distraction
53:35
and everybody falling for it i'm really stunned that everybody has fallen for it to this degree
53:41
but i'm all even with low expectations i'm still a little bit stunned
53:47
that it's worked that well and then i live in the united states too
53:52
so there's a lot of people that don't have the distance that people from outside have but
54:01
if you look at any person who needs power any person whether they're on your
54:08
political team or the opposite political team whether they're really smart
54:14
no like i read i was looking something hollywood a hollywood type thing and i was reading
54:20
i was reading i was following the asia argento story because i thought it was very
54:25
um particular and a good example in a way of power
54:32
and she was threatening you know she was coming from this place of revenge and threats and then you know everything that's happened since then
54:39
yeah um but i was just reading the
54:45
letter that a letter that was put out in that in that context by a lawyer
54:53
that letter really very cleverly um addressed the metoo movement and
55:01
the concerns of the metoo movement that if you are interested in me too you're going like yeah that's right that's
55:06
exactly right i'm with you and then it would say hollywood has always stood against the
55:11
abuse of children and then that line stands out to me because that's what hollywood is all
55:17
about except we haven't accepted that quite yet you know there was one that
55:23
was outed and then that story kind of went away quickly he lost his job and whatever but still
55:28
we're not really talking about that story we don't really want to believe yet that the media is
55:34
really just a tool and that the bigger it's always the same thing the bigger they are
55:39
and the more important you think they are the more they've been compromised and the more it means that they are
55:46
being controlled by the people that have the dark agenda
55:51
and that have no good intentions for anybody so even the alternative media has been
55:58
co-opted and then it becomes like the you know it's the the opposite the
56:04
controlled opposition it's it's uh it's very it's a very well oiled machine
56:10
and to break out of it we have to really understand that it's the system itself that anybody who's big and powerful that
56:16
you want to follow you got to look at yourself and ask yourself why you want to follow that person why you want to trust cbs or whatever
56:23
that's a great point i mean i wanted to come back to this idea of each individual's healing journey
56:32
and how it relates to uh how they relate to people that they
56:37
admire the authority and then how they relate to people that you know they might be projecting onto or judging
56:44
or discriminating against and the authority that's also a projection so that's why that's what power
56:51
addicts live on on those projections of power so if you think that this star for example you know any star is
56:58
that the greatest thing on earth you know and such a good venus you think that you're already projecting
57:05
and as much as you love this person that you don't know you are still um placating
57:13
sending this energy out that that's why i was so prone to it because
57:19
when people a lot of people like you at the same time a lot of men think you're desirable you know you feel
57:25
that you become you look more beautiful i look more mute i would look more beautiful if there's men desiring me around
57:31
i actually start to look more beautiful um i i feel it it's pleasant it's a
57:36
vibration it's kind of like heroin it feels like like that it feels like a heron height
57:42
so it's not to be dismissed the energy that we send but then we have to say when we do that
57:48
when we send that energy we're already projecting this is already a stand-in for some authority figure from our past
57:57
who was hypocritical in a sense that they were hurting us but they needed us to to make them good and so we're
58:04
already doing that as soon as you have an an admiration for someone that um
58:13
you just put them up yeah you put them up on a pedestal so there's always that inequality that's created and so then it
58:21
became rather than relating to someone as a fellow human being right where there's that neutral as an
58:27
equal equality yeah right and you feel like you know let's do stuff together and
58:33
there's this projection to to above and then there's it's would you call it
58:39
projection below as well yeah yeah yeah there has to be if there's above so below yeah okay
58:44
so what what can we uh you know from your own experience
58:51
what can we suggest to people to i guess for their own healing journey pay attention to in terms of
58:58
this power structure is it is it really all about coming to the realization that when
59:04
you're really in balance you everything's at the level with everyone else and there's no judgment on this side there's
59:11
no kind of adulation on this side it kind of becomes
59:16
and that but that comes after the work right after the work well i like to think of the maybe the as a model
59:24
maybe the matrilineal um native tribes where um there's a true egalitarian
59:32
concept that everyone is honored as a human being and of course we honor the earth we
59:38
honor the earth as a as um as a very big but very sensitive mother
59:44
figure and um the connection to the earth and the female strength
59:52
like females have been enduring for thousands of years and as mothers
59:59
and because of the abuse that we've suffered i think to recognize
1:00:06
once we get into the healing when we start to heal we start our healing journey
1:00:11
that's really where the strength comes from because if you've been through hell but you you haven't healed then
1:00:19
you haven't learned anything but you've been through hell then you start to heal from it you start
1:00:25
to go and feel the pain we start to become more conscious it is to also then
1:00:31
know that that is where it's at that that is really the strength that
1:00:37
that's real strength that i'm very small
1:00:42
in the world and thank god because if i were very big i would be in a lot of danger
1:00:48
probably but i'm relatively small and not you know i'm not everywhere and not
1:00:53
being seen everywhere so i'd like to just so we'll wrap up in like five minutes
1:00:59
um talking about healing and talking about uh yourself not being big i like i kind of
1:01:06
saw where you were going with that like not being this big attractor of attention
1:01:11
and creating those dynamics but just having an experience of
1:01:17
relating to people slowly and and and having more of those
1:01:22
relationships come together on an egalitarian level and building whatever builds from there and there's
1:01:28
no need to have like you know a huge mass of people admiring you
1:01:33
and stuff like that no but there is real strength there that comes from the healing and having
1:01:39
felt into it there's the fact that you know the surviving itself
1:01:45
i want to say um you know you either survive or you don't survive there's no difference i mean there's no
1:01:54
difference in the sense of stronger better blah blah blah none of that so you either survive or you don't
1:01:59
survive then if you survive then
1:02:04
if you can take that opportunity if it's possible yeah if you have it within you if you've
1:02:10
had maybe enough of a blueprint of love i don't know somewhere from somewhere whether it
1:02:15
whether it was always spiritual or whether it was a human being who gave you the love that you had some
1:02:22
sense of what love means to
1:02:27
know that that's um that that is what's
1:02:34
what's needed and the empathy that is created from doing the work on yourself
1:02:40
it's direct from experience you can only be empathic if you know what that person is feeling because
1:02:46
you've been through it so you empathize and that empathy
1:02:52
um if we can honor that ourselves and i think for women especially to really
1:02:57
honor that humble work and to honor um the healing from the pain that we and
1:03:06
you know it doesn't end being a woman it doesn't end you know you're always in this
1:03:12
uh at risk of being treated like really badly just for being female so you get um
1:03:19
you get to work on yourself all the time you know you won't forget you won't suddenly get so privileged
1:03:25
that you'll forget it [Music] i think that's where the key lies
1:03:31
working with um i work a lot with survivors and i work a lot with survivors of sexual abuse and
1:03:37
you know most women seem to be survivors of sexual abuse it's so ingrained in the culture incest
1:03:45
perpetrators are extremely common but they're not often persecuted um
1:03:51
pedophiles are protected by law you could say you know even though there's a big stigma around it they're also
1:03:58
protected they don't get really serious sentences at all so there's this whole institutional
1:04:04
protection of child abuse and of abusers
1:04:09
and anyone who's trying to break out of it can have a really hard time it requires
1:04:15
a lot of courage today to break out of that and to speak up whether it's in one community where abuse is taking
1:04:22
place power abuse is taking place we stand a lot there's a lot to lose so
1:04:27
you have to have that that that courage and that means courage just means to feel the fear and
1:04:34
then do it anyway right um and
1:04:42
what i notice is that a lot of women who have been abused will tend to fall
1:04:49
victim again like to someone who comes along is the big savior
1:04:55
and who's going to basically use their stories to serve their purposes and make the
1:05:01
women feel that they owe him you know that happens a lot so as a survivor i've met a lot of those
1:05:08
types so they say well
1:05:14
i tell the women your story is important it's your you get to do what you
1:05:20
you get to share it in the way that you want that's safe for you when you're ready and nobody
1:05:28
you know nobody else needs to get the credit for that that's right that's and that's exactly you know how i
1:05:35
feel being here and helping you tell your story and getting it to our
1:05:42
audience because for me at this stage not you know 15 years ago 20 years ago
1:05:49
almost impossible to get a story out to get your voice heard and now you know i have a sense
1:05:58
more people are willing to listen more people are willing to read that article on that subject that
1:06:05
they weren't going to touch five years ago they don't want to hear about it but people are starting to wake up and
1:06:10
they're starting to realize we we can't avoid hearing
1:06:16
about and knowing about these things anymore we can't it there's a feeling that to move
1:06:22
forward we have to face these it's facing
1:06:27
you know like hearing about your story or facing one's own negative emotions
1:06:33
taking a look at them and saying where where is this coming from and why does it keep coming up in these situations
1:06:38
exactly which is you know what you said is is what you encountered in your
1:06:44
healing journey but if you're not asking those questions you're not going to reach that point where you really get to the truth of
1:06:50
where they came and then let let all that energy dissipate and feel better about yourself
1:06:57
well first of all thank you for saying that um and probably i in the energetically in
1:07:03
the way that you've approached me that was clear that you have that kind of attitude you know that you value that you
1:07:11
put value on the fact that i've lived through it and that i've come out of it and i've
1:07:16
been able to spend 30 years healing and that that
1:07:22
that allows me to sit here and speak about it you know and for men i think you know it's not
1:07:29
just for women obviously for women it's to understand that that their story
1:07:35
um is uh valid and that they are valid and for men i
1:07:41
think what happens to men often is that they start to immediately go to this place of powerlessness and you know they hear
1:07:48
something it's so overwhelming and men have been programmed brainwashed to feel that they
1:07:53
should do something about it right away so men feel powerless and i think
1:07:59
again it seems to go against the flow but to understand that this person who's
1:08:04
feeling really powerless you know and who is that
1:08:10
how old is that boy who's feeling that way
1:08:16
because to find your role that's from within it's you know
1:08:22
meditation is a really good way to go within but anything that's spiritual can be used as as a bypass so that you don't
1:08:29
have to then feel anything again but for men to to
1:08:35
first to recognize and accept the feeling of hopelessness and or
1:08:41
or feeling of powerlessness and frustration from accepting this truth that these
1:08:48
things happen and all the feelings that that brings
1:08:53
out brings about and to to to accept them they're
1:08:58
completely valid whatever reaction comes is completely valid and then once you can embrace that
1:09:06
reaction within yourself you can uh take it from there because um
1:09:12
people react from whatever place they're at emotionally so if you want to go kill those people
1:09:19
then there's that comes from a place of your own healing journey where
1:09:25
there's the anger needs to be expressed that's the next step that's the step they're at yes exactly
1:09:31
very helpful except if you want to go kill those people and cut off their heads
1:09:36
you know we don't want to get stuck there we don't want a revolution that way pitchforks and
1:09:43
right um exactly and that's you know in in the facebook era
1:09:50
you put an article and you see people having the need to comment how
1:09:57
disgusting disgraceful awful terrible and so on and so forth
1:10:05
and my hope is that okay fair enough yes fair enough
1:10:12
are you going to then go back to sleep exactly because it's too overwhelming
1:10:18
yeah you know but that anger is says something about you and it's something perfectly valid what
1:10:25
it's saying is really important information it's telling you where you are where you are yeah and that's good yeah
1:10:34
so so be it we're all at different uh sort of stages in our own healing and
1:10:41
and again for me uh being able and willing to sit with your
1:10:47
testimony about something so difficult to hear is a courageous act and you know
1:10:55
obviously i'm inviting our our viewers to uh to engage in that and to to watch this
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through yes okay so once again not much else to share uh at part three here at the end
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um because we just want to get through the rest of this in part four and then we'll discuss a little bit further but one quick note what you're going to hear
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at the beginning of part four is a little bit of a repeat as to what has happened in part at the
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end of part two and the reasons for that was just the way anika wanted to describe and explain something after
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she finished the the part where she was asked to essentially kill somebody
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at the end of part two there so that we could bring that together properly so if a little bit at the beginning of part
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four some seems a little bit repetitive it's because that little five minute part is in there as well so we'll catch you in part four
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where we continue the end of this journey and discuss a little bit further what the key takeaways are here