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there are a lot of vegan protein powders
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so it's no wonder many people don't know
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in this video i'm going to talk about
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some of the more common vegan protein
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powders and whether they're any good
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how's it going guys my name is richie
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kirwan and i'm a nutritionist and
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nutrition researcher at liverpool john
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and you're watching the myprotein
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youtube channel this is the channel that
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brings you need to know info on how to
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and train to be your strongest self we
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essential if you want to gain muscle
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mass but there's a lot of confusion
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about whether plant-based protein
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effectively today i'll tell you what the
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science says about vegan protein powders
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and if they're as good as some of the
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more common whey based protein powders
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on top of that we'll also learn about
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some of the latest research on how much
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plant-based protein powder you should be
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taking i just want to point out that i'm
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not recommending any particular protein
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supplements what i am going to do
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is talk about the science and research
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around some of the most common types of
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vegan protein powders
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let's get started so if you're watching
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this you're probably interested in
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and you probably know that protein is
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essential for getting big and strong
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specifically protein is needed for a
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muscle protein synthesis muscle protein
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is when you use amino acids from the
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protein you eat to create new protein
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for growth and repair you can stimulate
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mps with exercise and by eating protein
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the more you can increase mps by eating
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protein the more likely you will be to
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over time you might be wondering why
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different proteins would have different
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and that all comes down to amino acids
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that they contain in general
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and i really mean in general and not in
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so don't kill me in the comments
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proteins from animal sources like meat
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eggs and dairy have all the essential
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amino acids needed to stimulate muscle
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protein synthesis and build muscle
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and in general plant proteins have lower
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levels of some of those amino acids
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particularly the amino acids methionine
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lysine and lucy interestingly this is
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why pea and rice protein are often
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combined together in protein blends
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peas are lower methane and higher in
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lysine while rice is lower in lysine and
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so combining them together gives a
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better amino acid profile they're called
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complementary proteins and while some
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people say it's not important on a vegan
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if your goal is muscle gain you better
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believe it's important taking all this
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means it might be worthwhile putting a
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little bit of thought into what vegan
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protein powder you use
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another reason vegans might want to
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consider a protein powder is because it
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can be a little harder to get enough
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protein on a vegan diet compared to an
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omnivorous diet that contains
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meat eggs fish and dairy the epic oxford
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showed that vegans on average ate only
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77 grams of protein per day
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compared to 96 grams in people who eat
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now obviously this is the general
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gym goers who make a serious effort to
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eat plenty of protein
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but it does show us that vegan protein
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powders might be a good option for
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who want to get some more protein into
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their diet conveniently
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so how do we know if a specific protein
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is good for building muscle over time
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there are two very different ways to do
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this one is to just give a group of
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people the protein powder for a few
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measure their muscle growth or their
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strength change at the end usually
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there's also a control group to compare
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that to and they'll use a different
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already known to be really good for
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supporting muscle growth
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like whey this is considered to be the
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best way to test if a protein works
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because we can actually measure
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the outcomes we want in this case muscle
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growth the downside is it takes a lot of
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literally months and months and
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to get the results there is another way
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to test how good a protein might be for
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and that's by measuring muscle protein
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synthesis immediately after somebody
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it's a lot quicker to do but it's not a
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direct measure of muscle growth
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just a measure of theoretical muscle
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it's still a very useful method but
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we'll focus mostly on longer
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outcome studies in this video some of
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the most common vegan protein powders on
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pea and rice blends and hemp in the
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scientific research we're also hearing a
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lot about a relatively new addition to
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the vegan protein powder category
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and that's mycoprotein so how good are
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each of these for muscle growth
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one study compared two groups of young
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men taking either 21 grams away or 20
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grams of soy protein while doing
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resistance exercise for nine months
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the whey group gained 3.3 kilograms of
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and the soy group gained only 1.8
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actually there was a third group that
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used an isocaloric amount of carbs
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had the same amount of calories with no
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protein at all and even they gained more
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lean mass than the soy group
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they gained 2.3 kilos which really goes
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to show the power of consistent
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resistance exercise more than anything
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else so it's not looking so great for
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another study had one group take 17
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grams of milk protein and the same
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amount of soy protein
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while resistance training for 12 weeks
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again the milk protein group gained more
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here's the thing we know that a 20 gram
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dose of high quality protein like whey
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is enough to maximally stimulate mps in
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healthy people adding more protein won't
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increase it much further because mps has
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an upper limit we also know that the
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amount of leucine in a protein has a
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big role to play in how much protein you
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need to eat to stimulate
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mps to the max this is called leucine
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lower leucine in some plant proteins may
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explain why plant proteins in smaller
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isn't as good as whey so what if you eat
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more vegan protein in order to get more
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that question changes things a little
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studies that use larger doses of vegan
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protein powders like 33 grams of soy or
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24 grams of rice protein and similar
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show no difference in muscle growth
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after a few months of resistance
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in fact a super interesting study that
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was published recently showed that 30
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grams of wheat protein
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was able to stimulate mps to the same
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amount as 30 grams of milk protein
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wheat is known for being a very low
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quality protein but it turns out that if
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you eat enough of a lower quality
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it can stimulate mps as much as a better
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quality protein this is why so many
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studies with low doses of protein around
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show way to be better than vegan protein
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use more the take-home message is this
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if you get enough essential amino acids
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specifically leucine in a single meal
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we can maximally stimulate mbs so
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if you aim to eat 0.4 to 0.5 grams of
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protein per kilogram of body weight
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per meal that's probably enough to reach
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and maximally stimulate muscle growth so
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if you weigh 70 kilos that's between 28
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and 35 grams of protein per meal which
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is very possible with a vegan protein
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it gets a little bit harder if you try
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to get that much protein from whole
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so if you have four meals that's a total
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kilogram per day one thing to really
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is that most of this research and these
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numbers is talking about protein powders
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not plant protein from whole foods like
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beans the reason i mention it
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is because we know plant protein from
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whole foods isn't as easily digested and
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as plant protein powder which is
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processed to improve its absorption
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so bear that in mind if you try and get
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all of your plant protein from whole
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you may need even more than i've
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and that might not be easy this is
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exactly why plant protein powders
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may be a good idea for vegans wanting to
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so don't worry too much about the
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specifics of the protein
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like i said soy microprotein pea and
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fine sources of protein just take a
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little more than you would if it was way
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so what do you think did that clear up
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the protein confusion as always if you
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have any questions let me know in the
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