[EP 43] Interview with Sara Loera

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Okay guys, in the next episode of Denim Letter Podcast, we we have the solo
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career uh uh girl Sera and also famous from Postmodern Jubox and Ken Templan
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Academy, Vocal Academy. Uh hi Sarah. Hello. Good morning. Sorry, it's not morning where you are, but it is where I
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am. Yeah. How does how does your uh your last name sound? Uh Loera.
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Yeah, Loera. Mhm. Okay. Okay. It would be in my language it would be much harder like Sera, you
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know. That's cool. With right. Yeah. Sera. Yeah. Well, yeah. My
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my that's my um my last name from my family that raised me, but I'm actually
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not everybody knows this, but I'm actually half Iranian. So, my real last name would be Rajabi. Rajabi. I don't
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even really know how to pronounce it properly, but it's a long and convoluted story. Rajabi probably Rajabi. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, great. Great great great. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Uh okay. So, uh I
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wanted to ask you first before we go into the into your big career steps, I
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wanted to ask you how did you start with music and uh you know I know something some of your biography but I don't know
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a lot you know. Yeah. Um, I started out thinking that I
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was going to um do like musical theater and and be on Broadway and stuff and I
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wanted to do that. I wanted to be a singer and an actress and um pretty much my whole life I wanted to do that and
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then I got into the theater world and um you know did
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some musicals and stuff and it just wasn't it just wasn't a fit for me. I
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just didn't really like the atmosphere and like it was just really it was
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really competitive and the people were kind of catty and a little bit [ __ ] and I was just
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like you know what these people are nerds man this is not my scene so I stopped doing that and then I was like
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all right I'm just going to get like a normal job so I got um so I got like I went to university I got a degree
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what was that that was academy or it was high school uh this was like University.
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A university. Okay. Yeah. This is like during it was music music university or
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uh No, it was just like a regular community college here in California. Yeah. Fullerton. Yeah.
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And then I went to Cal State Long Beach and got a degree in communications and thought that I would work in like
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music marketing or music PR or something like that. And so, um, I did that for a
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while. I graduated and I got out and I was like working in an office and that wasn't for me either, man. That that
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that sucks too. And I was like, this is not this is not going to work. So, um I
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was always like I've been obsessed with music my whole life since I was as long
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as I can remember. And um at the time I was also DJing
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and I wasn't really working in bands yet. I was just DJing. And I was there was like an underground subculture here
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in LA. I don't know if it exists in Macedonia. I know it exists in different parts of of Europe. It's like the like a
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mod like mod 60s. Yeah. Yeah. Where people It's like a mod
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revival scene where everybody like is into all this obscure ' 60s music and they get dressed up like psychedelic,
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you know, like When was it? It was like uh early 2000s.
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Yeah. This must have been like late 2000s, like maybe like 2008, something like that. 789 around there.
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And so I was all into that. And I still have like all my records and I mean I
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have like this, you know, like boxes of 45s and it's all dusty.
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Not yet. This is actually a really cool song by Love Machine. It's called Witch's Wand. Anyway, I do recommend this one. Um, but
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yeah, I I was spinning records like all the time and just, you know, just being
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a music junkie like I am. And um, it was really fun by the way, like collecting. I spent so much money on all these rare
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records and I have some like ones that are really worth a lot as well. So, I
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was doing that and um I I always knew I could sing, but I was more confident
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actually in my dancing ability um because I was never trained as a singer
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as a kid or anything, but I danced um my whole life and um you know, even did
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some like professional dance gigs like in college and stuff. And so, I was always a dancer and I wasn't as
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confident about my singing, but I knew I could sing. I knew I could sing. But every time I would audition for like
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theater stuff, they would always cast me as like a principal dancer like who would also sing. And I'm like, man,
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these people are not seeing like am I not, you know, are they not seeing what I'm what I'm seeing here? Like I I are
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they not hearing this? Like, but I wasn't trained. And you know, I have a big voice and um it's kind of I it took
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some finessing to kind of learn how to, you know, take it down and figure out
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subtleties and stuff like that because it was kind of like a bull bull in a china shop type of thing where it's like
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I had this big loud powerful voice, but I didn't quite know how to use it properly. So anyway, so um so I was
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dejing and working like a regular regular job and then I saw an ad. I had my photos up
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on a website called um one model place. This is like a website like a casting website
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where people can cast you for like commercials and modeling gigs and stuff like that cuz I was doing a little bit of modeling. I used to do like um I was
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also into like the rockabilly scene and so I would do like motorcycle magazines and like car magazines and stuff like
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that and um it was really fun like like Betty Page or something. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like that like pinup stuff. Yeah. Pinup stuff. And so I was doing the pitup thing and then um Ken found me,
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Ken Tamplan found me on that website on One Model Place and reached out to me
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and he was auditioning people for a band that he was putting together that was going to be like a corporate band, like
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a cover band, you know, cuz those kind of bands that make a lot of money, you know, and he was going to, you know, try
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to sell it to like these big, you know, companies and parties in like Dubai and like all over or whatever.
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So, I came into his studio. I remember I came in and I was I remember I was like super
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hung over this day because we had had like this we all went out like the office that I worked at. We all went out for to an angel's game or something and
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we just got like tanked and I was hung over and I came in and I was like, "Oh,
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fuck." I sang Barracuda, which I don't know why the hell I chose like the
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hardest song ever to sing when I was like super hung over and, you know, had
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very little training, but um but I did a great job and he was like, "Wow." And
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finally somebody recognized, you know, my my vocal power because I think it
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was, you know, because Ken's obviously a rock guy and, you know, most of the stuff I was doing before was like it was
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theater stuff and it's a different way of singing, you know, so maybe I wasn't really cut out for like the the musical
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theater thing, but I was like definitely good for rock and so um so he really
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liked me and he hired me for, you got me involved with that band and we did a
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promo video and then nothing really nothing came of it because the economy crashed. This was in 2008. The economy
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crashed and nothing ever came of the band but he was also kind of working on
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his academy. That was like the very beginning of that of the of the academy
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and that was like it was in its you know infancy. And and you guys are still together. I mean like as an academy together, right?
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You still sing? Yeah, with with him. Yeah. Yes, he and I are definitely still in contact. I haven't I was supposed to go
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out there and record some stuff with him like in the summertime, but it didn't happen. I think he was like in Germany
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or something, but um I need to reach out to him actually and be like, "Hey, what the hell?" Like,
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"Let's record because your people want to see me." Um cuz they do. They miss me. I see comments like on on Facebook
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and stuff like, "Where's Sarah? We miss her." Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, um so yeah. So that so the
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band thing Ken's the band thing didn't take off but the academy obviously did
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and so um you know around that time he was like all right let me let me use you
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for for my channel my YouTube channel because the band thing isn't working out so he had me and a couple other singers
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um and um you know Gabriella and and uh started recording stuff for his
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channel and then um Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then
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Oh, that's right. Oh, then then I went to China. So, okay. So, then
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this guy Ken had given my number to some agent in China and it was really weird.
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The guy was actually in the movie Big Trouble in Little China. Whoa.
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Yeah. And I guess he's he's kind of like Yeah. He's like one of the main villains. I guess he says like thunder
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or something like that and he wears like some I don't I don't know. I haven't the guy with the electricity and [ __ ]
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Yes, him. It was him. Oh, [ __ ] It was him. Yeah, his name's Yeah, his name is James Pax. He's a psycho, by the
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way. He's never going to see this, I don't think. So, I can say that. Um, I don't
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know what the hell happened to that guy, but so like James Pax was he had Ken had
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given him given him my email address and James Pax was contacting me to try to get me to come out for some contracts in
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China because Asia like there's a big circuit out there for working musicians
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cuz there's lots of live bands and all the hotels and stuff and there's just so much money out there in China
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and lots of people concentrated in one place. Right. Exactly. Oh my god. tell me about
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it. So, um, so that guy James had been contacting me and I was like, I I'm not
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going to China. Like, I I didn't really have any interest in it at the time. And then my my boyfriend and I broke up and
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it was like really just ugly and bad. And I got then I laid got laid off from
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my job and I was like, well, let's go to China. So, I packed up all
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of my stuff in my apartment into a storage unit in Long Beach. I was living in Long Beach at the time and I packed
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up all my [ __ ] and I got on a plane and I I remember my dad was like super
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freaked out. He did not want me to go, but he drove me to the airport and and I
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went to China and wow, that was an that was an adventure. Actually had a really good experience out there for the most
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part. You made I would love to go back. You were touring there. Yeah. Yeah. Mostly I was mostly in like
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one place. I was mostly in Guanghou um for almost the whole time. I was in
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Beijing for a short amount of time, but the main work I did was in Guanghou. So um and so I would love to go back
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someday. Um as as soon as I think the ban my ban has been lifted cuz I was banned from the
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country for I think three years cuz we got kicked out of the country. My band got kicked out of the country,
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which is another story to tell. Um, so we got kicked out of China because our
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our club got busted that we were working at. Whoa. My whole band went to jail for they
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didn't even have they didn't have like This is a salacious very salacious story I'm about to tell you, by the way. So,
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the club got busted. My band got arrested because they all they took everybody in the bathroom and made
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everybody take a drug test and I came out clean even though it was the day
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after my birthday and the night my of my birthday I had taken like a couple hits of pot.
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Yeah. But I don't really do you know anything other than pot and but my band came up
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and thank God I didn't test like positive for for pot cuz I would have gone to jail too but I just barely you
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know took a couple hits. I can say this, right? I mean, it's legal in California. So, anyway, so um but my band like
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tested like for positive for at least like for pot and they all went to jail
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and then they figured out that like we didn't have the right working permits or something and they kicked us out of the country. So, that happened. But, um so
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we got kicked out of China and but I wasn't ready to go home yet. I was like, "No, no, it's not over yet. It's not
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over. The adventure is not over yet. I need to stay out here at any cost. I need to get a gig somewhere. So, I got a
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gig. I found an agent in Malaysia and um did some work, got some bookings
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through him. So, I went to Koala Lumpur for a few months. I think I was there for four months and did some work there
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and then I got a contract in Indonesia at the Ritz Carlton in Jakarta and did
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that for about four or five months and then you know it had been maybe like a year and a half had passed since I you
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know of me being in Asia and but then I was ready to come home. I was like I was like all right let's get the [ __ ] out of here. So, I came back to the States and
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I came to first I came to New Orleans because that's where my sister was living and I stayed with her for about a month and then I came back to LA and got
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in touch with some agents here and um I've been working non-stop ever
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since. So, I've been I've been working as a singer as as my only job for 15
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years. In December, it'll be 15 years, which is crazy because I'm only 21 years old.
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I don't know. It's I, you know, I started young. What can I say? But
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um yeah, so I've been doing this life for, you know, 15 years now. And um you
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know it's still it hasn't slowed down you know and
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I was living with um uh another musician a guy who I was
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dating like this my ex. We were living together for like 8 years 7 years doing
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gigs and stuff and um I ended up leaving that relationship and I remember I left
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during co when there were no gigs. I had no job and and I moved out of his place,
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you know, and I wasn't paying rent when I lived with him. Um, I moved out twice actually. We broke up once, I moved out
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for like a year and I lived on my own. Then I came back and so I moved out
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again with no job and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] what am I doing?" I moved to LA.
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We were living in Orange County and I moved to LA. So basically the So basically the
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lockdowns Yeah. during lock got got too separated. Yeah, it did. Oh, it was not. It was
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terrible. Well, it was like all the problems that we had that we were able to ignore, all of a sudden you can't
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ignore them anymore when you're stuck in the house with somebody 24/7 for months, you know. Okay. Yeah. So, um so I moved out and I remember I
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was terrified because I didn't have a job and I would be paying more rent um
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than I had ever paid before and you know and stuff. And it actually turned out to
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be great. And I've made more money now than I've ever made. And I've been living in LA by myself for 5 years now.
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And I love it. And um so yeah, so I'm still doing it. And you know, I've done tours and stuff as you know. And
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um I'm going out of town this weekend for a gig in Chicago. And I'm just working non-stop. I do Vegas a
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lot. I did I I did read that you also got uh some solo albums released, right?
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Yeah, I I have one solo album and it's it's it's I want to do something um some
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another one. It's my my solo album. It wasn't my concept. It was somebody
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else's concept. Okay. The music came from me and my ex and
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another guy um that was helping us with the lyrics. This guy named Johnny Johnny Fly helped us write the album. So, it
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was the three of us that wrote it, but the concept and like like the cover art
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and like all of that, it was not from me. It was some guy um this, you know,
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lovely guy that found me on the internet. And you know, you get these people who have a lot of money but and
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they want to be rock stars but they don't have any like talent, you know,
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ability. Yeah. Yeah. They don't have any ability. So they hire people to kind of live out their dreams by carry, you know, through
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them. So this guy was, you know, he loved music and um he had this idea for
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a story about like a space themed kind of rock opera. And so he found me on the
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internet and was like, "Hey, I have an idea for a concept album. Would you be interested in writing and recording it
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and I said, "Sure." You know, so he, you know, he paid us to do it and everything. And um but at the end of the
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day, I'm not like super I don't really identify with it really closely. And I
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hate the cover. Like I hate the cover because I have like a gun and it's like I hate it. So um I would like to do
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something. I don't hate the music. I like the music. the production. The guy that he got to like mix and
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master it like did not do a great job. So, I'm not super super stoked with like
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the production quality of it. It's just okay. Um, we could have done such a better job, but he like really wanted
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his friend to do it and it's super annoying. Um, I would like to do something like
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next year where that I really identify with. And it was hard because I didn't
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know what kind of music I wanted to do for a long time. I was like cuz I like so many different styles.
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But now I think I know. Now I think I know. So I really want to make it happen
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next year before I start getting too old and nobody cares about me anymore. I
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need to do a soul album that is like comes really from me, you know.
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Yeah. I don't know if you I think you you fit in a band. That's like I I I
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envision your uh you you in a band, you know, but maybe your name but with a
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band, you know, but with a Yeah. Yeah. You know, with fullon band. I
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don't know. I would love that. Oh my gosh. I would love to do something like that. I mean, it's, you know, it's
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sometimes I I I I don't want I don't know if I want to do the whole like be
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in a touring band thing because I've done that and I've had a
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taste of that and it's kind of a hard life, you know, and um so I'm not sure if I want to
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really take it to that level. I mean, it'd be nice if it was successful and people wanted me to tour and stuff. I
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mean, you know, obviously if that ended up happening, I would do it, but it's not the end goal for me. Um, but really,
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I just want to have a a record out that like really is representative of of my
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personal style, you know? But like touring being like life on the road is it's it's tough, you know? It
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can be tough. And um it's I'm just yeah I've done that kind of like a decent
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amount and I've enjoyed it. Um but the lifestyle is hard you know and it's just a hard it's hard being you know in this
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business you know and all the partying and the late nights and you know it's a hard world for it's a
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hard world for a nice girl to be involved in. You know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It can be tough. So yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. But you you already have almost every night you have gigs, right?
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Almost. Yeah, I have gigs. Yeah, like multiple nights per week. So, is it like only you or you have a backup
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band uh behind you or Mhm. Um I do I do both. I have several
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bands that I work in. I have one band that I work in the most and it's um it's
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kind of like a old Hollywood kind of retro like rock and soul band. And you
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know, I do a lot of like Eda James and um we do stuff by like the Ronettes and like you know, ' 60s ' 50s and60s stuff
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and I dress sort of pinupy and I do that that band a lot and we get booked a lot
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on like corporate stuff and parties and stuff and so that that I make good money with that band and then I do a lot of
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solo stuff as well where I'm just like, you know, doing the lounge singer thing, you know, like playing piano and singing
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and stuff and I do trios, I do jazz stuff like all over just about anything that somebody
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will hire me to do, you know, if it's cool like I'll do it. But I'm constantly working which is great.
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Yeah. Well, how did you learn the instruments? You play instruments, right?
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Yeah, I play piano. I I played guitar. I took guitar lessons for a long time and
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just never got good at it because it just I don't know. It's I always sucked at guitar no matter how much I
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practiced. Um but piano was kind of easier for me. So yeah, so I played piano and um yeah, I had to learn how to
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do that. Actually, I learned how to do that during COVID really because like I never had solo gigs before COVID, but
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once you know during the pandemic once the gigs started coming back, they didn't want to put like groups of people
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together. So I was doing like a lot of solo work and so I had to learn how to play piano. Before that, I always had a piano player, you know, working with me.
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But but it was good. And I started teaching also like teaching voice during co which
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was really cool. I didn't know if I was going to like it if I was going to like teaching but I absolutely love it. I
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absolutely love it. So I I do a lot of that as well. I'm doing that today later on today too. I have a couple students today. So that's super fun.
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Awesome. Yeah. So you give some lessons. Uh how did you how did you get uh involved
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in postmodern jukebox? Postmodern jukebox. It's funny. I I you
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know, I'd known about PMJ, you know, obviously for a long time and um always
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wanted to work with them. And I remember I did a promo video for my band that I
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was mentioning, the kind of retroy, you know, kind of Yeah. Like the one where I dressed like a pinup and we we filmed a promo video and
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I was like this like this pro it came out really good and I thought I'm gonna send this to the postmodern jukebox
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people. So, I I DM'd them on Instagram with that video and I said, "Hey," I
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basically was like, "Hey, look at me. You guys should work with me." And they were like, "Okay." And I was like,
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"Okay." And then within about a week, I was on a Zoom call with Scott Bradley.
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And, you know, a few months later, I I was on the road with them and it was
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really great. I had a great experience with that band. They're awesome. The the
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musicians that work with them are just like really really great people and the
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um arrangements for, you know, the songs that they do are so good and the
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musicianship is just so good and I really had a great experience with them. I I love those people. I'm seeing them
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next week on Monday because I'm going to be I'm going to be in in Virginia next Monday and so I'm going to go see the
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show um and see and go backstage and say hi to everybody cuz yeah love those people. Awesome. You you you did record
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something with them or only live? Only live. I I need to reach out, you know, and like suggest a song because
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that's kind of how the singers do it. Like they'll come up with an idea for a song and Yeah. and reach out to Scott. Um, but I was
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kind of more interested in touring with them when I first met with Scott. What I really wanted to do was tour because I
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had never been on a tour before and I really wanted to do that. So, I was able
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to do that. Um, but now I would like to do a video. I just don't know what song I would do. I have to think about it, you know.
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But, um, yeah, I toured Europe, Canada, and America with them. I think I went
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out with them three times and yeah, had a really good experience. So, super cool. Love them. PMJ rocks.
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Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. And uh next uh thing I wanted to ask you about. You
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you said already about uh uh Ken Templan Academy and and about Ken Templan. How did you meet and how uh how did you went
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in that direction? He gave you lessons, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ken Yeah. He's Ken really, you know, he really gave me my start in
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in this business. He really did, you know, and cuz everybody needs somebody to kind of give them their lucky break
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or whatever. And Ken was really kind of that person for me who kind of put me in contact with people and, you know, got
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me um got my voice where it needed to be and um
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yeah, so so I worked pretty extensively with Ken in the beginning and then, you
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know, once we stopped doing like actual lessons, the things that I would learn
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from Ken would be like in the studio because when you're in the studio with him, it's you just you learned so so
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much. So that was really my training ground um with Ken was like in the
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studio. I I that's I learned a lot from And you recorded a lot of videos together and a lot of songs, right?
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Yeah, I did a lot. I did a lot of covers. Yeah, a lot of cover songs over the years. Yeah. Oh my god. So so so many. And
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yeah, the guy is like he's super super knowledgeable. He's a really interesting person. You'll you'll like it when you
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meet him. He's super cool. I I did interview with him like this, you know, over the uh uh like on on the episode I
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it was last year and uh it was it was right at the moment where where a lot of accusations against
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his singing, you know. What what do you think about that? He also talked about it on the show.
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Yeah. Um well, you know, let's see. What can I say? So, I'll just be totally
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honest. I'll just be I'm just going to be blunt. I'm just going to be blunt and honest. So, I think that here's the thing about like that whole situation.
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What broke my heart about it was that people were saying that he can't sing
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and that he's just a phony. And I'm like, "Oh my god." Like, they
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have no idea. I mean, because I would be in the studio singing like Led Zeppelin. I'd be like, "Fuck, like I can't hit
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like I can't sing that." And he'd come in, he'd be like, "No, just do it like this." And he would do it. And I'd be like, "Okay, if you can do it, like I
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can do it." You I mean, the guy is extremely talented, like otherworldly singer. And so, it
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broke my heart that people were saying accusing him of being a phony and not even really being able to sing. I was
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like, "Oh my god, they have no idea like how talented this guy is." And he's got this, you know, he's had a a career that
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spanned decades. But the problem with Ken is that, you know, his his ego got
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the best of him. you know, his ego got the best of him and it happens, you
28:12
know, sometimes to all of us. And I think that he just Now, I don't know what he said
28:19
on your show or what his what his, you know, response to all of that is at this
28:25
point. I know at first, you know, he was like, just flat out denying it, which I
28:32
don't think was the right approach. Um, but yeah, I think his ego just got the
28:38
best of him and he just didn't want to disappoint anybody and he, you know,
28:43
he's obviously been this big vocal coach for a long time and he didn't want to leave any room for error and so,
28:53
you know, so he overcompensated and it bit him in the ass, you know. So
29:00
like Yeah. And you know, I I think that's all I'll say about
29:05
that. But um the guy is an amazing singer, an amazing talent, and he knows you can't like there's nothing you can
29:13
ask Ken about music or singing that he won't know the answer to. Like he's just
29:19
Yeah. So when I saw all the hate that he was getting online,
29:24
you know, I felt really bad for him. And but he seemed to he's he seems to be fine. I mean, he's like he's recovered
29:31
fine and he bounced back like, you know, better than ever. I guess it was interesting on on on the show
29:36
when he was here. Uh it was interesting that I didn't wanted to ask you ask him
29:42
about it, you know. I was like silent about it and I asked him about something other than that in the in the academy.
29:48
How is the academy going? How is the vocal academy going? And he started about the attacks and he was he was the
29:54
one that I was like, "Okay, you don't have to speak about it. No, I want to speak about it. You know, he was like,
30:00
you know, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I know that was really rough for him, but he's pretty tough. I mean, Ken's been
30:06
through a lot of He's been through a lot of [ __ ] you know, and so like this is just another intense thing that he had
30:13
to go through and he went through it and he came out the other side and he's fine. And yeah,
30:18
so I hope to see him soon. I'm actually I should reach out to him today and try and schedule something.
30:23
Um, but yeah, that was crazy. I couldn't believe it. I was like, "Oh my god."
30:28
Say say hi to him from me. He remembers. I will. I totally will. Yeah. Uh, okay. Sarah, what are what are your
30:36
uh I I know you have some future plans. I mean, you you you just said maybe a
30:42
record. Uh, but uh what are your shortterm and and long-term future plans, if you have any?
30:48
Yeah. Um, well, I want to get So, I have a YouTube channel and
30:54
I want to do more with that and I had an idea for a show for a YouTube show
31:01
that's music related obviously cuz that's all I care about is music pretty much. Um, and spirituality and outer
31:10
space and aliens. Have you heard about three Atlas by the way? Have you heard about three the interstellar object?
31:16
Yeah, I I'm kind of not not buying it. I don't know. I mean, it's probably a comet. It's
31:21
probably a comet. Yeah. Yeah. I I I get it. But, uh I I know I It's probably a comet. Yeah.
31:28
But I'm not buying the hype of the scientists that are claiming something
31:34
that, you know, regular people were saying it like 20 years ago and they were like, "No, you know, there's no uh"
31:40
and now they are saying it and nobody believes it. Right. Right. Exactly. Now the
31:45
scientists are saying nobody believes it. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Well, so yeah. So I have I
31:50
have a lot of varied interests, but um but I'm really you know, obviously music is like my main thing. So I want to do a
31:57
I want to do a YouTube show where I interview people about well I have my
32:03
whole idea. So we'll see how that plays out. But I um I want to do more stuff on
32:08
YouTube because um like I said before, I'm not really while I do I do want to
32:14
put out original music and have it out there. I'm not really super interested in doing
32:20
the whole like touring solo artist saying I'm just I'm tired. Like I can't do that [ __ ] You know what
32:26
I mean? So if I do YouTube like I can do it from home. I don't have to leave LA. Like I
32:32
can do it all here. And um and I I love YouTube. I love the internet. The
32:38
internet loves me. So I feel like that's a really natural way for me to go. Yeah. Are you are you are you putting
32:44
any effort into Instagram, Facebook, you know, but you're pretty famous there, but you're putting any effort or no?
32:50
Um yeah, I I'm doing um yeah some some
32:55
effort into Instagram, Facebook, and like Tik Tok and stuff.
33:01
Yeah. You're pretty famous there. Yeah, I was doing more on Instagram um for a while, but then like they
33:08
Instagram like got mad at me because I was advertising um a certain website that I also do work
33:17
on. Are you able to edit this by the way if you want to? You can edit this if you
33:22
want to, right? Well, like I do Well, so I do Only Fans, right? So I do Only Fans. So, like I don't do I'm
33:30
just going to say uh I don't do porn on Only Fans. I don't do any nudity from the waist
33:36
down on Only Fans, right? Um but I started an Only Fans account during co
33:42
and um I do it like with my partner. So, my partner like does all we do our photo
33:48
shoots together and stuff like he's not in the pictures but it's just me. Um, you know, it's not super explicit or
33:56
anything and I advertised it like in my stories on Instagram and the picture was
34:02
like not even like [ __ ] at all and Instagram like saw it I guess and then
34:09
like put a strike against my account and I was and and I and I was paying for I
34:15
pay for the Meta, you know, subscription. It's like 15 bucks a month and I was like, man, [ __ ] you guys. It's
34:20
like, you know what I mean? And then I'll see stuff on on Instagram that's like 10,000 times worse than, you know,
34:28
and my whole Instagram page is all singing. There's like nothing. You're you're seeing Kim Kardashian on
34:33
the other page, you know? Exactly. Exactly. It's like I see like all like naked chicks on like not with
34:40
like nipples showing, but like butt cheek like naked butt cheeks and everything and like super [ __ ] pages
34:45
on Instagram that are like, you know, have like millions of views. And then I post like
34:51
one story advertising like my spicy link and then you know they gave a strike
34:56
against me. So I was kind of over them for a while. But I did just the other day finally got it lifted you know
35:04
because I had to like go in and like have them review my account and stuff and like cuz there's nothing salacious
35:10
about my account. I mean, you know, the thing is is like I remember when I first started doing Only Fans, it was like
35:17
this big, oh my god, everybody was, well, not everybody, but a lot of people were just horrified. They were like, oh
35:23
my god, you're doing Only Fans love and, you know, assumed that I was like, you
35:28
know, sticking cucumbers up my butt or whatever, which I'm not. you know, it's like you can do anything you want on
35:34
there, you know, and so like it's just another avenue of, you know, it's just
35:41
another revenue stream for me. It's another way for me to make money. It's another form of entertainment, you know,
35:47
and I don't cross my boundaries, you know. I I don't do anything that I'm not comfortable with. I don't do full
35:53
nudity, you know. Oh, I just like take sexy pictures and post them and people
35:59
like it's the kind of pictures I post on only Only Fans are you would see on on
36:04
Instagram. Like they're you know what I mean? That's like the level of what it is. But you're not going to see that on
36:09
my Instagram because I don't post stuff like that on my Instagram. But if you want to see that then you can go subscribe to my Only Fans and see stuff
36:17
like that, you know. So like, you know, people made this big stink about it. I remember Ken was like really upset. and
36:22
he was like super mad at me and I was like, "Dude, like like
36:28
loosen up. Like it's not, you know what I mean? People just assume the worst when they found out I was doing that."
36:34
So, um, but I have fun with it and you know, I'm not going to do it forever,
36:39
but while I still am like young and I look good, like I might as well, you know, you got to you got to utilize all
36:47
your talents, all all your gifts. Hey, you know you know you know uh Lorine Lewis the singer.
36:53
Uhhuh. She's from uh she's from Fan Fatel and from Vixen from back in the day.
36:58
Yeah. So she's like uh she's from the 80s singer.
37:03
She just joined Only Fans on I I I know that uh she sponsored it on on Instagram
37:10
but uh I don't see that she was blocked, you know. She was uh advertising it. She was on my my show before that and uh
37:17
I've seen on on Instagram that she is promoting it but uh there was no block of of her, you know.
37:23
That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. They totally block they totally like messed with they like gave me a strike against my account which was a huge bummer. But I but like
37:28
I said I got it lifted. So um yeah. So that's so that's been a great like that
37:34
was a great way to make money. I remember when I first started it I made 10 $10,000 my first month.
37:40
I was blown away. Oh my god. But then I had to like back off because once the money starts coming in like that it's
37:47
tempting to, you know, because people want to see more and like and I was like
37:53
I can't I I really didn't want to do anything that I would regret. So I had
37:59
to kind of like back off of it for a while so I didn't get too sucked into that and start doing things that I might
38:05
regret. So I did. So, I kind of like backed off of it from a while for a while and then I did I started making
38:10
less money, you know, as time went on because I just didn't want to I knew
38:16
what people wanted to see from me on there and I wasn't willing to do that, you know. So, so it's good because the
38:23
fact that I've been able to maintain my boundaries on that site is why I've been
38:28
able to do it for so long, you know, because I haven't done anything where I'm like and I'm just horrified and I
38:34
want to shut the whole thing down, you know? So, I think I've had it up for two years now. Um, and it's going great. So,
38:40
anyways, you you wouldn't do it and couldn't do it in China. No. Hell no. Oh my god. You can't even
38:47
get on Facebook in China. You can't even get on Facebook in China. It's crazy out there, man. It's crazy out there. But
38:54
yeah. So, so anyway. So, yeah. So, like Yeah. Uh, what was I saying? Oh, yeah.
39:00
YouTube. Yeah. Building of the of of the uh of your uh
39:05
socials. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. YouTube. Yeah. And I guess Instagram, even though Mark Zuckerberg can suck my dick. I don't
39:12
have one, but if I did, he could suck it. Um I should Maybe you should edit that out
39:18
in case he hears it cuz you know he's those those meta people, man. God, that doesn't matter. I had I had a I had
39:26
JJ French. No, I had uh someone someone from uh the famous uh ' 80s guys
39:34
were were were talking uh bad about uh Spotify.
39:41
Uh-huh. And I put the show on the Spotify and it was like all good, you know. Okay, that's good. That's good. Yeah, I
39:47
know. Spotify is like but but but but but it was you know it was said like [ __ ] the guy, [ __ ] the
39:53
owner and it went on Spotify and it's great. That's great. Well, that's good. That's to Spotify's
39:59
credit, I guess. I guess they probably I guess they didn't hear it. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know that people
40:05
are really up in arms about Spotify right now because Yeah. They're just ripping artists off like so bad.
40:13
A lot of artists are against, you know, of of course. I mean, the big Yeah.
40:18
Yeah. It's It's a hard life, man. You know, it's it's it's hard being an artist and making money and it can be really tough.
40:25
And if you're a guy, I mean, and you're like, say you're like a professional bass player, like that's a hard life,
40:31
dude. Cuz like you're not a hot chick, you're not a front man or front woman.
40:37
You're just, you know, you're working. Like, you better be [ __ ] good, like really good and really good at
40:43
networking and all that to be able to make a living doing it. Um, it's it's not easy, you know. It's not easy. And
40:49
you know, I'm lucky that, you know, I am a female and I and I look good and I sound great and everything cuz I'm more
40:55
marketable, but um it's a hard life, you know, being a being a full-time musician.
41:02
Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like something D Snider, you know, D Snider from Twisted
41:07
Sister. It was something he said in an interview. I I always laugh about it. He was like when MTV came out it was all
41:14
about the video you know everybody made a video you know and it's like Joe Walsh you know the singer Joe Walsh Joe Walsh
41:20
is against videos yeah will have you seen Joe Walsh never Exactly
41:27
exactly right right you know that that was that was probably tough for a lot of artists who didn't look
41:33
Yeah look at Phil Collins you know obviously he's had a huge career and nothing you know I mean but I'm saying
41:40
Like, you know, you got these guys that are insane musicians, but they are kind of nerdy looking. Yeah.
41:46
And then, you know, I mean, Phil Collins is not a great example because like obviously he was great on MTV and
41:52
everything. Yeah. He made it. He's kind of a funny looking dude a little bit, you know, and like,
41:57
you know, he's not like Billy Idol, you know, who's super hot, by the way. If you if
42:03
you know anybody who knows Billy Idol, give him my number. I think he's single. Um but anyway, but like
42:08
I know I I I know a promoter who who who done some gigs with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love him. Um but um yeah,
42:17
he's not like this, you know, super cool looking dude. And so I think that would have been hard for a lot of artists who
42:22
all of a sudden they have to be glamorous and blasted all over TV and like look great. And like not all of
42:28
them look great. They're just really talented, you know? So I can see how that really changed everything. And maybe not for the better because now you
42:35
have people who are not super talented but just look really good and you know
42:40
so it kind of went that way. So in some ways it might have ruined it a little bit but whatever.
42:46
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sarah uh we got to finish up with the with the show and I
42:53
you know it's just morning for you so you got to probably you have some errands in
42:58
Yeah. I got to get my day started here. Yeah. and it's coming up late here, so I
43:03
got to go. Okay. Thank you for the Thank you for
43:09
this. It was very spontaneous and and great. I I I love the the talk. Good. Thank you so much, Unos. Thanks
43:15
for having me on. Of course. Of course. We'll do it again when you have some news, you know, in in
43:20
the future. Okay, great. Yeah, I'll hit you up. I'll let you know when my album comes out. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
43:26
Thank you. Byebye. Okay, take care. of

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