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let's talk about the idea of the Now
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they're starting to talk about mediatrix
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okay the mediatrix guys you know what a
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mediatrix is a mediatrix is a feminine
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form of a mediator and now they're
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saying that she is a mediator just like
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Christ no there's one mediator between
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man and God the man Jesus
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Christ that's what scripture
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says we need to stop this guys we need
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this stop putting Stop putting Mary on a
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pedestal that she don't belong
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mediatrix and I'm just going to show you
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where it came from again this came from
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the catech this is in the catechism this
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is in catechism 969 it states "Therefore
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the blessed virgin is invoked in the
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church under the titles advocate helper
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mediatric." What is a mediatrix a
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mediatrix is a female
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otherw doesn't say anything about this
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though that there's no there's no
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there's no Bible teaching that teaches
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that Mary is a mediatrix of
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anything you understand says this
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teaching emphasizes Mary's cooperation
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in redemption i understand that but here
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it says through her her yes to God her
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spiritual motherhood of all Christians
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i'm sorry Mary is not my mother and I
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will never claim that but but Roman
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Catholics want you to to to accept that
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it says "And her ongoing intercessory
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role for the church from heaven." So
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they're telling you that just like Jesus
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went to heaven and is our mediator as
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the scriptures say Mary's right there
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with him and she's mediating for you too
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or she's giving your prayers to to the
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son son this is Jim's prayer these are
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the things he wants now son I want you
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to grant this to him because he came to
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me he came to me he loves me because I
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gave birth to you now won't you grant
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his prayers for him this is this is
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their idea of the mediatrix
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foolishness is what this is
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um okay so so this listen I'm gonna go
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through this really quick um Luke 138
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Mary's fiat demonstrates her willing
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cooperation in God's salvation plan we
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already talked about that um she agreed
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to have Jesus so that gives us some kind
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of clout I guess um at the w at the uh
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at the wedding Kaa now check this out
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john 2 1-1 at the wedding at Kaa this is
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what the the scripture that's this is
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what the the the Catholic church teaches
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uh at the wedding at Kaa Mary intercedes
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notice how they use that word with Jesus
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host leading to his first
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miracle this is seen as a model for her
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becoming continuing intercessory role so
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basically they're saying because Jesus
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said "Hey they ran out of wine can you
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do something?" Cuz she knew who he was
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can you do something and he did his
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first first uh miracle which is turning
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the water into wine they see that as
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some kind of precursor to her role now
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that's in heaven i'm not buying guys i'm
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not buying i'm not buying it i'm sorry i
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just don't that's just that's too thin
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that's not enough for me she encouraged
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him to do something he did it so let's
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move on let's not make a whole huge
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gigantic doctrine based on
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that see anyway okay so John gives So
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this is uh based on John 19 and
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Revelation 12 uh Jesus gives Mary to
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mother interpreted as giving her to the
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church how do you get that
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how do you get that he He was He was He
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was putting her He was put This This is
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what why this happened i'm going to tell
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you why this happened because in the
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a for a woman to be without um a um a
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man was like that was destitute for them
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now we know Joseph was there somewhere
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but Christ put John there to look after
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that's all this is this has nothing to
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do with her being given to the church
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come on man this is a stretch this is a
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way big stretch okay okay so here's what
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the scriptures say about anything that
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has to do with mediators 1 Timothy 2:5
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it says "There is one God and one
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mediator between God and man the man
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Jesus." That means nobody else it's just
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one one is one guys one is one there's
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not one and something
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4:14:6 Jesus says "I am the way i am the
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truth i am the life no man comes to the
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father but by me." He didn't and then he
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didn't say "Oh and by the way you guys
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can always appeal to my mom here you
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know if you ever need anything I'm going
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to give you my mom's phone number." Okay
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and then she'll reach out to she'll text
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me and I'll get you whatever you want no
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it this we need to stop it guys anyway
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um scriptto silence mary's role is never
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presented in the New Testament as one of
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active ongoing mediation after Christ's
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ascension suggesting this is a later
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theological uh development i already
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showed you how this was in developed in
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councils and decrees and catechisms and
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all of that stuff this isn't the Bible
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this isn't a biblical
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okay now as far as mediatric or or being
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a mediator um we have direct access to
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God according to Hebrews 7 and uh uh and
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10 excuse me through Jesus Christ why
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because Christ is the mediator not
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um hold on a second here let's see what
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here all right we got you hey hey y'all
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look I know we got we're running out of
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time here man but y'all look look y'all
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y'all keep doing y'all thing i
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appreciate the uh the what I see in the
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uh what else was I going to say um I'm
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just going to continue i'm just going to
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continue historical development of
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mediatrix concept see they see these
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developments this is why when you keep
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developing and keep developing and keep
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adding and keep adding and keep develop
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this is why we are we're here now this
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now because they keep piling stuff on
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early fifth cent church fifth century on
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Mary Honor that's the right we've been
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talking about that uh medieval theology
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that's in the 12th through 18th
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bernard that's a pope and St al fances I
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think it's another pop or cardinal or
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something developed the concept of Mary
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as the neck through which all grace
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flows from Christ now get that Mary is
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the neck christ is the head to the body
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and then the body is us that's developed
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by by by uh uh Catholic uh priests guys
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lumen gentium confirms Mary's
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mediation while emphasizing it adds
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work i'm not buying it i'm not buying it
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i'm I'm sorry i'm just not buying this
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i'm not buying it modern era feast of
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Mary mediatrix of all graces that's what
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they call her mediatrix of all graces
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May 31st celebrated in some places
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concept appears in Mary Marian
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apparitions um let's see current status
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as mediatrix doctrine considered a
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doctrine supported by tradition again
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tradition is whatever the church say and
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promoted by many saints and
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theologians Catholic ones of course uh
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not defined dogma unlike the immaculate
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conception or assumption or it not not
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infallibly declared as required belief
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so this is how weak it is that you don't
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even have to affirm this teaching but
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I'mma tell you right now they working
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toward making this an official dogma
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they're make they're working on it right
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right now as we speak i guarantee you it
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is it's it's been they've been working
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on this one for hundreds of years i
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guarantee you they're working on making
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this real anyway ongoing theological
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discussion subject of continued
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theological reflection and ecumenical
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dialogue we're having it right now um
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see devotional practice widely
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incorporated into Catholic prayers hymns
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and spiritual practice we got people out
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here uh that are incorporating Mary as a
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med uh a mediator which they shouldn't
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be because it's not a it's not a
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scriptural concept okay so um what is
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why do we have a problem with this why
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do us Protestants have a problem with
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this one it undermines undermines
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Christ's sufficiency is is it says that
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Christ isn't a sufficient mediator that
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help that's that's the problem one of
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the problems I have it doesn't have
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biblical support okay um is is
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unnecessary for salvation christ alone
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provides access to the father that's per
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Hebrews 7:25 and 10:19-22
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making additional mediators superfluous
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and potentially misleading i wouldn't
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say potentially it is misleading
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anything that's going to take me away
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from the sufficiency of Christ and what
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he this is why this is what makes me
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upset about any doctrine i don't care
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what who you believe or what you believe
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if your doctrine particularly when it
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comes to Christ if it takes you away
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from the sufficiency of Christ I'm not
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buying it i'm not rolling with you
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okay another objection which is one of
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my main objections to risk of idolatry
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many Protestants worry that marrying uh
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uh devotion can detract from Christ
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centered worship that's my problem
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you can't be Christ centered and Mary
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centered at the same
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time because you dumping on what Christ
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doing hold on a second
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uh let me see what I got left i think
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that's the last one though
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okay so that one I'm gonna make this one
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my last one I think hold
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on let's see what we got here okay so
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comparing Catholic and Protestant views
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catholic view mary is a major mediatrix
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Christ uh cooperating in salvation
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history and dispensing grace through her
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unique relationship with her son y'all
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y'all seen my y'all my uh my
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illustration the sun now now we have all
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these prayers son come on now i know
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that you're busy right now but can you
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no protestant view christ alone is
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mediator the title mediatrix is
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problematic scripture teaches direct
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access to God through the priesthood the
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priesthood of the believer i said in fe
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Peter pet uh first Peter I think is one
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of the places one of the main places uh
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to God through Christ with without need
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for other ma mediators while honoring
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Mary i'm going to make say this again
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while honoring Mary as the mother of
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Jesus and a model of faith Protestants
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reject special titles and intercessory
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roles that seem to elevate her beyond
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descriptions focusing instead on Christ
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centered worship that's
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it we We just saying that you're doing
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we saying "Yeah you should honor her but
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the honor for her stops but the honor
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for Christ continues because he's the
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one that came from heaven he's the one
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that died that that suffered bled and
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died for our sins." Okay he's the one
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that is the the uh mediator between God
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and man okay he is the one through whom
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our salvation flows he is the one
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through grace through whom grace
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came is that making sense
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i I I don't I don't hear that coming
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Catholics i I I hear and see an awful
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lot of Mary Mary Mary i don't see Christ
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don't I just don't anyway um let's see
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um okay so let's talk about this
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ecumenical considerations i don't like
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the word ecumenical but it's here so
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let's use it that just means let let's
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get together let's agree on something
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because there are some things that we do
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agree on with Catholics i don't reject
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everything that the Catholics teach we
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agree we do agree on some there's some
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doctrinal stuff that we agree on there's
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some theology that we agree on but the
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but we agree on some things as well so
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let's to look at that both Catholics and
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Protestants acknowledge Mary's unique
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role as the mother of Jesus i already
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said this for her exemplary faith and
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her her importance in salvation history
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we're not knocking that all Christian
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traditions confirm the core truths about
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Christ that were at stake at in the
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Theoticus declaration okay respectful
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dialogue and this is where I this is
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where I'm open to talking to to to
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Catholics i'm open i I few months ago I
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talked to one we had a great
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conversation i've I've had a formal
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debate with a Catholic it was very good
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it was down to earth uh um um um a very
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good conversation between him and I we
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didn't attack each other we didn't go
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after each other um we agre we disagreed
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on the issue and but we we hashed it out
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i'm open to that i'm and honestly I'm
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really sick of what I'm seeing in forums
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where people are being so angry and mean
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and attacking someone just because they
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don't agree people have set up whole
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rooms just to uh um um I would say is
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more ad homonym attacks in there than
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there is actual challenging of of uh um
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theology cuz I'm not going I'm going to
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keep it real with you i have a room I
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have a couple of rooms that I run on
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Facebook but my rooms are not fueled by
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ad homonym attacks my rooms are fueled
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by let's have a the theological
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discussion and that's and I think that's
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more helpful than all impersonal attacks
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anyway ecumenical discussions have
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helped clarify that Catholics do not
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worship Mary but honor her in relation
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to Christ now I have a problem with that
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because what I clearly see is worship
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and what others clearly see is worship
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you just want to redefine it because you
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know if you're worshiping Mary that
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right that they the Catholic Church knew
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this of course they did understanding
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the nuanced theological language around
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mediation and veneration versus worship
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has been helpful and and these things
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are not to me these things are not in
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question mediation we know what
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mediation is okay that means you are the
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lawyer for somebody else you're the
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representative for somebody else we only
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have one representative his name is
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Jesus Christ we don't have it he doesn't
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have somebody that that's extra on the
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side which is his mama just it's just
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not there ongoing challenge significance
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significant differences remain regarding
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Mary's ongoing role the authority of
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tradition remember tradition is the
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Catholic Church says so versus scripture
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alone and the development of doctrines
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not explicitly taught in scripture these
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continue to be areas requiring patient
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charitable dialogue okay which means we
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still talking about it i just want I
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just want to be biblical i just wanted
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to be biblical that's all I want okay so
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let's look at this uh theological
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significance of Marian doctrines number
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one christoologgical focus marian
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doctrines developed primarily to protect
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and clarify doctrines about Christ's
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nature and incarnation now I'm going to
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be honest with you i don't I don't agree
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that i don't agree with
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that like you Christ doesn't need help
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to be he we didn't need to define who
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Christ so that position of the Catholic
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Church I don't get that he didn't need
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we to explain the deity the the the the
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um um the doctrine of the the deity of
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de deity of Christ we didn't have to we
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develop we didn't have to develop a a do
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a doctrine involving Mary
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why it it stands on its own two legs we
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didn't need that that's something that
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the Catholic Church added anyway um
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ecclesiastical model ecclesiastical uh
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ecclesiological ecclesiological
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uh problem that mean has to do with the
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church mary represents the ideal
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response of the church to God's grace
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again I'm glad that she said yes but
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what else was she going to
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say she submitted to the will of God she
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should have thank and thank you for
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obedient but I'm not going to put too
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much into that does that make sense
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anthropological insight shows humanity's
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potential for cooperation with divine
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grace i have a whole I don't have a a
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big problem with that okay but number
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four estological sign that means the
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things that the end things points to
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humanity's ultimate destiny in
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glorification with Christ now I don't
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have a problem with that either because
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why it says Christ it said everything
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pointing to Christ and that's my big
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thing does it point to Christ does
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anything that have to do with any of
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these doctrines and all these
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celebrations and all these all this
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stuff that has to do with Does it point
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Mary it all points to Mary and that's my