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is Hey hey hey [Music]
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know you Heat Heat [Music]
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Good morning good evening good afternoon God bless everybody Welcome to
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back to another episode of In Context with Jim Green where we vehemently
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defend the faith and point the sinner and the saint to the gospel of the one the only Jesus Christ of Nazareth Hey
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appreciate you guys coming to hang out I see I got my favorite folks over here in the chat already getting it in Stevie
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Rankings what's up man appreciate you My brother Sheila Mahome thank you for being here Sister Lauren Roland thank
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you for being here I appreciate you guys for showing up just about every time I
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have something man I can I know I can count on y'all You know what I'm saying so I appreciate y'all support man Thank
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y'all very much And I thank y'all for being active in the chat especially when we have people guests so to speak that
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that that show up and have questions and all that stuff Thank you guys for being so very active So um if you see the the
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title of the video today um I I just want to let you know that um I'm I had
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something else planned And uh the reason why we're doing this show today is because
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um if you guys been been with me for any amount of time you know one of the things one of my pet peeves about what I
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do here as a content creator is um and basically as just as a as a a Bible
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teacher I guess you could say even Um and so
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um uh okay Um Stevie Stevie Rankers Um hit
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me up man Hit me up Uh DM me about that situation that I see right there with Brien Yeah Let me know what's going on
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man But um I I above all else do not
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want to be misconstrued And there was a Catholic sister I tagged her in this video a
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Catholic sister who basically told me that I am
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misunderstanding the Catholic doctrines I thought I had done a good job of not
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doing that trying to mis uh trying not to misrepresent the position One of the
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things I do so that I don't get so I don't misrepresent is I go directly to a
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source In this case uh you go directly to the Catholic Church their own
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catechism They they give their positions in the catechisms I try to show you the
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catechisms or a church council That's usually what you do you know when you're
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trying to to to to prove something like that I thought I did that Maybe I missed something I don't know But this is so
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this is this is to clarify to clarify uh um my position
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that I had last time I I didn't make up anything I never
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do I never do make up I I don't I don't sit here and plot how I'm going to um
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present them I just present the teachings that they have and then I give what the Bible says and I might give
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throw in my opinion in there That's how this goes But for the sake of somebody
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who who who wants to call me out and say "Hey Jim you're not being honest You're not representing us right." That's why
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we're doing today's show So I wanted to take some time to go over some things um
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in regard to whenever you're talking about Catholics And guys just so you know I'm trying to set up a
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discussion I'm trying to set up a discussion uh a panel with Catholics I
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know a couple and you're going to see a video of a brother of a Catholic brother that I debated actually on my own
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channel Um and so I think it was the is Peter the first pope yeah that's we we
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had that debate Um we'll take a little clip from that a little later but
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um I I want I want some things to be clear Okay let's go ahead and put let me
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go ahead and put the first uh slide up uh so we can get some understanding So
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we can get some understanding Uh hold on let me see Let's put this this up right here
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Um you're going to react to the live debate between Ryan and Joe
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Heshmire It will be very informative Hey um thank you uh Debacon Appreciate you I
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don't even know who those people are I'm be honestly but but if you send me the
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link if you send me the link I'll check it out You know what I'm saying i'm I'm always uh willing to react to something
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especially if it's a relevant topic So yes that definitely definitely will do that So um let's see
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Uh let's put this first slide up Um because there's some some things that
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you like I said some things that whenever you dealing with whenever you're dealing with the Catholics
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there's some things that you need to understand And I think what I'm getting ready to share with you is one of those
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things Okay so whenever you're dealing with the Catholics this is what you need
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to understand Any and any any any honest Catholic will tell you the same thing
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Okay they would tell you the same thing Okay there are dogmas and there are
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doctrines Okay there are dogmas and there are doctrines Okay there's a
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difference between a dogma and a doctrine And I'm going to show you here right now Okay and we going to spend a
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little bit of time here cuz I think it's important Hold on Before I even do that before I even get into this slide let's
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let's do that Let's do that first Let's do that first Let's let's define them
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Let's define the uh the difference between the two I think we need to do that first Now that I'm thinking here uh
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because they're not the same They're not the same A doctrine and a dogma is not the same Okay So let me go ahead and do
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this so I can show this to you guys [Music]
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right Okay So I'mma I'mma show my screen so y'all can see
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this Boom Let's see Uh share
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Okay So here it is And this is from Catholic Answers Okay So so again I'm
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using a I'm using a Catholic source I'm I'm I'm I'm going to source everything through the Catholic So nobody can say
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Jim is making up stuff I I hate that I I hate that I even had to come back and do
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this because it means I was misconstrued Okay So look it says in
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general get you guys to see the screen In general doctrine is all church teaching in matters of faith and morals
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Okay all church teaching Now I would even define this even more narrowly to
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say all Bible teaching on matters of faith and morals That you call that
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doctrine That's Bible doctrine Right it says right here it says "Dogma is more
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narrowly defined as the part of scripture which has been divinely
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revealed which the church has formally defined and declared to be believed as
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revealed." Okay Okay So let's let's so let's make sure we're clear Okay A
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doctrine is a Bible teaching I I I'm going to define it the way I I feel like
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it should be You can call it church teaching if you want It's a church teaching a Bible teaching in all matters
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of faith Okay that's a doctrine A dogma is more narrowly defined as that part of
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doctrine which is has been divinely revealed and which the church has formally defined and declared to be
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believed and revealed Now um my first question is um isn't
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isn't the Bible divinely revealed the whole Bible why do we make a difference
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between a doctrine and a dogma why do we even have a dogma because dogma says the church says
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that this is what the Bible says That's that's to me that's what that's what that
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says You see so um let's see Um before I
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go on I'mma put this put this up here All appeals of scriptures and appeals to are appeals to interpretation Not
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necessarily Why should we care about your preferred interpretation if it is
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historically novel and incoherent now
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uh Melesio I think is Have you ever been there before you seem seemed like you've been here before but you sound like
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somebody who doesn't really know what goes on here You don't really know us I think maybe this is your second time
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here We have no idea I haven't even said anything Are you talking about from last week were you here last week oh because
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we disagree Because we disagree with Let's get to some stuff Let's get to some stuff for Malaysio Malaysio and
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others who may think like Malaysio Let's do that Okay Let's do that Let's do that
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Cuz we need some See this is why I'm doing this show Cuz we need some clarity
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Cuz this is what I will say There are some things cuz we're talking about Protestant versus Catholics right that's
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what we're talking about There are some things that C uh Catholics and
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Protestants do agree on Okay we do agree on some things Okay we
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should make knowledge of that We we we should we should make uh note of that So here let's go through this thing This is
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core doctrines core dogmas of the Catholic faith of which some of these
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I'm going to like I said the mystery of the trinity The trinity God the father is the creator and source of all being
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Okay God the son is the eternal word made flesh born of a virgin That his
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name is Jesus We call him Jesus Holy Spirit the love the Lord the giver of
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life Okay those those three um three uh distinct uh persons in one essence that
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share the same essence That's the trinity We we we agree with that that was ratified in in both councils of what
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the council of Nia and the council of Constantinople Now the Catholics
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catechized uh cate catechized it Is that a word catechized it in um um um in
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number 234 Okay They they they said okay this is the official teaching of the church
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It's a Bible teaching but we agree on this Okay So the divinity and humanity
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of Christ Okay That we agree on I I think we agree on this Christ was fully divine
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and fully human according to right right the divine part in the beginning was the
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word the word was with God and the words was God that's talking about Christ right and then in verse 14 it says and
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the word became flesh and dwelt among us among us tabernacled among us okay
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that's talking about Christ they're both talking about Christ um the first verse in John 1 is talking about Christ and
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the 14th verse in chapter 1 both talking about
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Christ You see um we've had a couple of councils They sat down Ephesus in 431 AD
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and C uh Calcedon in 451 AD both affirmed in the the divinity and
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humanity of Christ We agree on this Okay Okay Now so now when it comes to now is
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is going to um uh this is where we start separating in our beliefs right here The
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immaculate conception the idea that that uh that Mary was conceived without
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original sin Mary was a sinless person I don't think we have
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enough This is my personal opinion This was ratified by Pope Pas I 7th I think
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sixth 7th uh in in 1854 This is where where they where they
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ratified this made it official And then they and then and they put it in
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catechism uh 491 Again I'm quoting from from their
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sources Okay Mary was conceived without the original stain of sin Um we disagree on
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that Okay Here's another one We disagree on the assumption of Mary The assumption
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of Mary represents the legal culmination of Mary's
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sinlessness And she was preserved from original sin We already talked about that Her body was preserved from
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corruption While the the precise timing and circumstances remain undefined
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whether Mary died before assumption or was assumed alive the essence of the
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teaching is clear Mary now exists body and soul in heavenly glory as the first
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fruit of Christ's redemptive work after Christ
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himself We don't have no there there's no scripture to support this None Yeah
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this a Catholic dogma catechized in uh
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966 CCC 966 Look it up All this stuff you can look up I'm not making up
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anything Okay Okay So Mary as the mother of God
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otherwise known as theus Okay I'm just going all over all this and we going to get into what we really came here for
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Biblical foundation Okay Luke 1:43 the mother of my Lord provides
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scriptural basis for this title The divine identity of the child
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in Mary's womb is affirmed throughout the gospels Okay So this dogma it says
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captured this Greek word theoticus affirms that Mary is truly the mother of
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God because she the mother of Jesus Christ who is truly God as the catechism
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explains Notice it says that as the catechism explains Are y'all listening the
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catechism explains the catechism is the is the Catholic church That's why we call it a dogma
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called the in the gospels the mother of Jesus Mary is exclaimed acclaimed by
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Elizabeth at the prompting of the spirit and even before the birth of her son the
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a her son as the son of my
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lord If we're going basically that means if we're going to say that Jesus is God
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and she gave birth to go to to to Jesus that would make her the mother of
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God I'm look there listen I'm not disputing that
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Jesus is God That's not my dispute dis uh uh dispute My dispute
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is are we doing too much by calling her that
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specifically specifically when it's an assumption okay is there's no scriptural
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teaching that says this is a Roman Catholic
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teaching It's just that simple for me I I just I I see things in a straight line
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sometimes I see I see things in a straight line You're some somehow more
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I've heard this word before You are more netorian than notorious
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Really how so look check this out guys Look at this
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right here Look at this comment Is it necessary is the Bible an agent that can
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communicate really hold on Wait I got to come up for this one So are you
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questioning the veracity of the word of
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God you you think that the word of God doesn't
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communicate what are you reading do you read the
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Bible do you Oh no Okay You don't read
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the Bible Okay So if you don't read the Bible then why ask the question it's it's it's pointless to to talk to you
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cuz that doesn't make any sense Okay let's I'm going to move on
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This is a distraction Okay I hate to say that but it is So the real presence in
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the Eucharist this is another another parting of the ways This is a parting of
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the ways This dogma affirms that in the eukarist the body and blood together
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with the soul and and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ and therefore the whole Christ is truly really and
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sustainably contained That's the council of Trent This is not a symbolic presence
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but a a mysterious transformation of the bread and wine into Christ's body and
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blood while the appearances of the blood and wine remain So let me let me put all
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the cards on tape They believe that when they're taking uh we say communion they
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say Eucharist when they do the prayer magically comes into the the the
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body and blood of Christ uh actually comes into the the wafer and the and the and
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the and the cup He actually appears in that So when you're taking that you are
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actually partaking of the blood and body of Christ The actual real body and blood
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of Christ This is the teaching and it's a dogma I'm going to
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tell you why that's important Uh it was defined listen to the time
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1551 The reference is uh CCC 1374 And you guys can look all
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these up too All you have to do is type in CCC in the number I'm giving you and you're it's going to take you to a
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Catholic page where you can actually read what I'm saying So nobody can misconrue what I'm saying here today cuz
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I'm just repeating the catechism I'm repeating my objection to the catechism but I'm repeating the catechism anyway
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The necessity of grace for salvation What now here here's where um if this
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was only grace Now let me let me read it first I'm getting ahead of myself Divine initiative Okay God's free gift because
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that's what grace is Unmmerited by humans precedes any human
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effort originates in God's mercy Uh interior transformation Sanctifying
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grace changes the soul heals the wounds of sin alleviates human nature human
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response Cooperation with grace through faith and works Here here's what here's where here's why I have a
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problem Here's where I have a problem Because when we add these
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things when you add works to grace it's not grace
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anymore Okay it's not grace anymore If if you're going to say that there's
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there are works necessary to obtain grace then it's not grace anymore Grace
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is a free gift You don't have to do anything to get to have grace Grace God
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just gives you grace You don't earn grace Grace is not earnable The very word grace itself
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um um defeats the argument that works
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obtain that you can obtain grace with works It it doesn't work this way It's
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just not how it's supposed to work You understand so um so yeah So that's
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what and that's why I have a problem right there because they believe that works you're saved by grace but you got
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to add works to it Not a biblical concept Uh the seven sacraments uh
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baptism um confirmation that's not in the Bible Confir confirmation is not in
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the Bible the Eucharist I told you guys they believe that when when they say a prayer the actual presence and blood and
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blood and body of Christ is in in the elements Okay not a biblical concept
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Reconciliation Reconciliation Um forgiveness of sins committed after
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baptism That's another thing Okay so you got to do something to get that also
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because in another thing called penance There's so so much we can talk about man We we can be on here forever Anyway
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anointing of the sick This is another one of the uh sacraments of the Catholic
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Church Papal infallibility And these are all dogmas guys And I'm going tell you
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why this important in a second Paple infallibility Okay Defined in the first
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Vatican Council of 1870 in the document
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pastor atisernis Um this dogma teaches that
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when the Roman pontiff speaks excatharda from his chair that's what it means He
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possesses that infallibility which the divine redeemer willed his church to uh uh to enjoy in
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defining doctrine concerning faith or morals That's in catechism 8:91 This
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teaching builds on Christ's promise to Peter The gates of hell shall not prevail against the church That that's
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that has nothing to do with papal infallibility by the way Because see
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they have to find a scripture to support their their dogmas They have to find it
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They have to because then it's just us saying that this is this is terrible We
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shouldn't be doing it But if I have a scripture see all false teachers let let me just put it out there guys All false
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teachers the good ones the let let me come up for this The good false teachers
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can find the scripture and connect it to their false
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doctrine Yeah very doable Very doable You understand it's easy to do this you
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Every false religion or teacher you have ever known does
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this Just because you have a scripture that kind of supports what you want to
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do does not make it true You understand what I'm saying this
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is why we can't we you just can't believe everybody that comes with scripture You you gota it's got to be
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scrutinized It's got to be scrutinized Okay So um anyway so another dogma Okay
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I think that's okay Oh yeah Yeah Sacred scripture and tradition So again okay Um
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while formally no now this is not defined as a dogma It says not defined as dogma though solemn proclamation uh
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through I'm sorry through solemn proclamation the Catholic Church
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teaches as defeated doctrine that excuse
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me sacred scripture and sacred tradition together form one sacred deposit of the
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word of God What does that mean neither is independent of each other Hm What is
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what does the Bible what are they talking about when they say sacred tradition when the Cath let me come up
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for this one too This is very important So whenever the Catholics say you have
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to have tradition what they're saying is we don't just believe
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scripture Somebody from the Catholic Church has to has to ratify
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that Somebody h somebody has to uh from the church has to ratify that
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teaching and then that's what we believe So the scripture on its own the
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holy scripture that came through the holy spirit is not good
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enough to stand on its own two legs according to the Catholic church You got
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to have a man to deter to to interpret it And not just any man the Catholic
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Church What's up Walls appreciate you man Let me let me give some shout outs to some people over there in the chat Uh
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RB RB Blade RB Blade I appreciate you Thank you for stopping by Um and who
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else added uh RB Blade and my brother Walsh Hey if you guys are not following
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my brother Walsh uh at the reassembling you're missing out Okay go ahead and
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subscribe to my brother uh uh the the the reassembly Hey hey do me a favor Uh
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Uh one of the most sound biblical people that I know Uh my brother in Christ you guys need to be following him Built for
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speed I appreciate you for being here and do what you do man Thank you so much uh for being here But yeah so tradition
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is whatever the Catholic Church say goes I I like to simplify things That's
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what it is That's what it when all when it's all said and done So scripture is not enough to stand on its own two feet
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You need the Catholic Church to tell you what the Bible says That's that's what this is Okay The church as necessary for
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salvation Really i found this I find this one interesting Listen to this
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Listen to what this says Okay Um the traditional formula outside the church
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there is no salvation must be understood properly Listen to this guys The church
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teaches that those who know the church was established by Christ as necessary
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for salvation have obligation to enter and remain in it
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However those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or his
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church may still achieve salvation if they severe sincerely seek God and
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follow their conscience This is in the catechism guys Look up the catechisms
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CCC 8:46 through 8:48 I'm gonna say this again This is a
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dogma of the church I think this is a dogma We going to check it in a minute This is a dogma of the church I believe
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I'm going to say it again However those through no fault of their own do not
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know Christ and his church can still achieve salvation if they sincerely seek
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God and follow their own their
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conscience Explain this to me biblically
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Explain to me how you don't need how you you are saved when Christ said "I am the
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way the truth and the life No man comes to the father but by me." When Christ
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says "I am the door." What what what why is this even How is this
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biblical it's not It's made up This is another madeup
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doctrine It's just that
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simple Uh let's see Well this is basic stuff You know effects of sin I I agree
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with uh with this stuff with the effects of sin what it does to you all that type of stuff I I you won't get a problem out
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of me for that You will not get a problem for me Um let's see Hold on a second Let's see
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what this says Yeah I I'm Okay I'm going to read this This going to summarize everything Catholic dogmas are not
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abstract concepts but living truths that shape daily spiritual lives This these
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teachings invite us to a deeper relationship with God and guide our moral
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decisions When we attend mass we experience the real presence and we pray
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to Mary Listen to that We pray to Mary not to
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God Listen to this We pray to Mary We honor the mother of God They still talk
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about Mary So when we confess our sins we trust in God's grace for
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salvation But if you're praying to Mary you're pray you're trusting her And
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there's another teaching that says that Mary is the mediate mediatrix of grace
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in heaven not Christ
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I'm just I'm just telling y'all what they teach Anybody that wants to say something different is fine Is the
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catechism teaches it that there is an organic connection between our spiritual
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lives and the dogmas that's in CCC 89 Listen far from restricting freedom
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dogmatic truths liberate us to live authentically as children of God They
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they provide certainty in an uncertain world and unite Catholics across time
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and space in one profession of faith As we conclude our exploration of these
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core doctrines we are challenged to not merely know them intellectually but to
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embrace them wholeheartedly and guidepost as guideposts on our journey to
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holiness And that's the dogmas Now let's let's on this word dogma On this word
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dogma let's uh uh I think I already did
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that This is coming Okay Yeah I just did that All right
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[Music] um okay So let let me pull
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up let me let me pull this up This is from a book this is from a book called
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um let's see And I know I'm throwing a lot at
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y'all I know I'm throwing a lot at y'all But I want y'all to learn this man I want y'all to know these positions and
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and and and whatnot So whenever you're in conversations with the Catholics
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you'll be you'll understand what they teach And that's why I honestly fight to represent them properly I'm not trying
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to twist anything I'm showing you that their catechisms actually teach this
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This is their these are their actual positions Remy Canadian what's up brother appreciate you man Um let's see
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Um let's put this one up right here Let's put this one up from my brother Walsh Cat uh Cath
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uh Catholicism is that a word teaches that grace is infused through the sacraments
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that justification involves a cooperation with grace over a lifetime
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Hebrew Israelite say the same thing Keep the commandments And see I I'll let somebody else say it because I'm
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thinking at that in at the same time I'm thinking the same thing Walsh That's the same thing that they teach And we know
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they false Anybody who walks in the Holy Spirit know they false Okay And so when
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I hear that that's just exactly what I say They say the same thing Keep the commandments They're basically saying
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the same thing You can't be saved without this in in both of them the Hebrew Israelites and the Catholics
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share this that salvation is not wrought
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only in the person of Jesus Christ It's got to be Jesus plus something else The
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power of Christ is not enough to save you Yeah it wasn't If if it was we
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wouldn't have to pile all this other stuff on top of what Christ did on the
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cross What you're saying is that that what Christ did on the cross was not
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enough to obtain salvation Anybody who adds works to the
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finished work of the cross when Christ uh uh uh said it is finished on the
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cross that's exactly what he meant
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So then why do we have people coming behind him trying to say it is finished
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but you still have to do AB C and D Now what I will say is A B C and D
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will follow because of your
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faith The Bible says we are saved to do good works
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In other words you do good works because you're saved not you're saved because of
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the good works So so just so uh um let's put this
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one up Lauren Roland appreciate you putting your comment up Is Catholicism why in in Catholicism why
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are there so many saints um I don't have an answer to that I just know that every
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time they add another one this gives us another
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on All of these systems that they keep adding and all of these things that
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continue to take us away from the person of Jesus Christ That's and that's my heart's cry
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all these pre people and systems and things that you got in place Where is
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Christ and all that christ is like becoming secondary to everything else you're doing Just I'm not going to do it
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today but just look up the prayers of Mary I'm just going to tell y'all look up the prayers of Mary and see how many
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prayers there are of for Mary Last week I told y'all we went to all
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them shrines and cathedrals and processionals all dedicated to
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Mary Why isn't Christ preeminent in the teaching of the
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Catholic Church that you want to know my beef my biggest beef with the with the Catholic
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Church is why is Christ not preeminent when you guys show your crucifix Christ
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is still on the cross That's your most prominent symbol
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is Christ on the cross I I don't have a problem with a
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crucifix that Christ is not on a a blank one It's a representative of what he did
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But why is your c even in your churches you have an image of Christ still on the
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cross and you still when you're Eucharist you're still trying to invoke Christ into the elements Come on man
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Christ is risen He rose one time But y'all keep calling him back
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from the dead I'm just sharing with y'all Okay Anyway let's get Let me move on because
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I could be here forever Um so so um
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uh uh I'm I'mma go ahead and put this up here This uh this this video I'm show
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y'all a video We going to watch a couple of videos here today We're going to watch a couple of videos
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So so this is this is um my my
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um this is my uh the debate I
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had with with my brother Jim Campbell my my my Catholic brother Um and and and I
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love this brother We we had a good down to earth um uh we had a good down to
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earth uh um debate a few months back Um and um you know he called me a heretic
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and it's all good He said it was funny because he said Jim you do understand in
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my eyes and through the Catholic church you're a heretic right i was like what I said brother I
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said but I I think you're the heretic and we both laughed and we had a debate you know and these are the kind of
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brothers that I appreciate But here's a here's a question that came up at the end of the debate Y'all check this out
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and listen because it's very interesting here This is a question that came up for him
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at the end because we have Q&A at the end of the debate and this is what this is a question for him Listen clear
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salvific with rejecting Yeah So that's a Yeah So that's that's a divinely
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revealed truth Um and so the classical definition for heresy would be the
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postbaptismal rejection uh of a revealed truth of a dogma And so that being a
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dogma of the Catholic Church to to reject it knowingly and willing that that would be that would be formal heresy right okay Did y'all hear
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that so Jim is a catechist a
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professional catechist What is that he's basically a guy that the Catholic Church
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pays to go around um evangelizing for the Catholic Church And one of the
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things he does is getting these debates and he just said if you reject a dogma that's considered
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heresy came from his own mouth Okay So you this isn't this isn't
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something that you can just say "Oh well you know I don't really believe that I'm not really going to go for that." No you
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can't do that If it's considered a dogma you must believe it So the four
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dogmas the the the Marian dogmas that we went over and I'm just going to just
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touch them I'm just going to I'mma put them up here I'm just going to touch on them I'm just going to touch on them because a lot of this stuff I already
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covered I'm not going to recover it but I'm just going to rewind That's who I'm just going to remind So we kind of
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touched on a little bit in earlier in an earlier slide but just to just to just
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to refresh us Just to refresh this I'm going to go through this really quick Okay i'm going go through this really
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quick y'all Did remember dogma So remember if you're looking up dogmas
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look up you guys Google uh Catholic dogmas and look up everything that if
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you reject this according to the Catholic Church you're a heretic
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That's what I want y'all to do Okay so let's do this Uh okay So the four Marian
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dogmas The four Marian dogmas guys The four Marian dogmas Oh in order to if you
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do not believe if you do not believe that in the theoticus idea of Mary the
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mother of God If you do not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary which
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means that after she had Christ she remained a a virgin And we don't have
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any any biblical truth of that Again this is something that the Catholic Church made up Okay they affirmed it in
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the latter council of 649 Okay if you don't believe in that if
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you don't believe in the immaculate conception we already covered that this idea that that Mary was born sinless
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Again we don't we don't have we don't and we don't have no no biblical basis for this Okay or the assumption of Mary
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the idea that Mary just when she when she quote unquote died she just ascended
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to heaven and now she's still there We don't have any proof of that But Pope P the 7th in 1950 said it's true If you
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don't believe in those fair uh four doctrines if you don't believe in those four dogmas then you're considered a
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heretic according to the Catholic Church Now I got on the screen the mediatrix
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but we don't we don't we don't have that That's not a dogma yet but they're
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working on it They're working on it They're working on making uh um um uh
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Mary making it a dogma that Mary is a co-redemptric uh uh a co- uh
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um uh mediator with Christ
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Mhm They They trying to make it a They trying to make it a a dogma y'all They
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They trying to make it a dogma Okay so let's see Um Minister Chris what's up man how you doing my brother hey hey
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Minister Chris do me a favor my brother Put your put your link in the chat Um this is another good brother another
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good apologist brother who's in our group the Cross Media Apologetics Group
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another good brother for good information uh for good tools uh uh to
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defend the gospel Uh my brother at uh uh War and Worship Urban Apologetics Uh
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thank you for being here my brother Appreciate you man So so um so listen
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um let's move this right along [Music]
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Um okay So here here's what here's what
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uh Okay I got to I got to get my thought straight here So um there is a there is
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a a website called there's a website or organization I should say or
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organization called Catholic Answers Okay And basically what Catholic
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Answers is Catholic Answers is like the world's equivalent Basically the
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Catholic world's equivalent to um like what we have in like Ligonier Ministries
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Um uh gotquests.org You know what I'm saying it's it's pretty much that it
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it's it's it's to prepare it's to uh apologetically prepare people to answer
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questions about Catholicism That's the best way I know how to um to uh to talk
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about it And there's a number of individuals on there that represent of course uh represent this uh this
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organization And I got some I got some questions man I got some questions I got
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some questions for these dudes I got some real questions and I need some real answers you know Um so let's
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let's start here A guy named Jimmy Akens And I'm still learning them I'm still learning all their names and stuff I
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know a few of them I don't know what all of them name So if you guys know their name put it put it in the chat Help a
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brother out You know what I'm saying cuz I'm really trying to really really learn this stuff I'm trying to learn um what
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they understand Cuz like I said I don't I don't I don't aim to misunders uh mis uh um represent anybody That's not what
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Jim Green does Okay So here we go Quinus's principle and say look uh we we
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don't have scriptural demonstrations or proofs that are undeniable of these
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Marian Marian dogmas What we have are passages including based on the typology
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that's found in the spiritual sense of the text that you know lend a color that's supportive
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uh to these but really they're p where you find the proof is in tradition It's not in scripture And so I I think it's
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it's it's fine to point out typological arguments but they don't have in legal
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terms they don't have probitative value They don't prove it I would follow wow
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Quinus's principle and say that's Did y'all hear this did y'all hear this this
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is one of the top guys over there at
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catholicansers.com Here's what he is saying Here's what he's
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saying about the Marian dogmas He says "We don't really we don't really have anything in
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scripture." Okay I'm I'mma play that again I'm going to play that again So So nobody can run and say nothing about me
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Hey look Uh we we don't have scriptural demonstrations or We don't have
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scriptural demonstrations Jimmy Akin we got you Or proofs Or proofs We don't
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have scriptural demonstration or proofs that are undeniable that are undeniable
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of these Marian Marian dogmas What we have are passages including based on the
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typology that's found in the spiritual sense of the text that you know lend a color that's
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supportive Here we go into stuff that don't now this is where the piling on and the making up stuff comes A color
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that's supportive And when I start hearing extra words this is when my antennas go up You understand what I'm
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saying here we go uh to these but really they're p where you find the proof is in tradition Tradition Okay So that there
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it is What did I tell y'all tradition was tradition is whatever the Catholic Church says about whatever is being
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taught Whatever they say tradition tradition means whatever the Catholic
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Church says So if the Catholic Church said it that's what we're going to roll with That's basically what he said He
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said "We don't have scriptural scripture to support the Marian doctrines." That's what y'all just
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heard So if you don't have scripture you're depending not on God You're
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depending on man for what God said Scripture is God's word revealed by
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the Holy Spirit So I don't understand how you reject You're not you're going
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not based off what the scripture says Obviously he just said it out of his own mouth but through tradition this is what
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the church said Unbelievable Unbelievable But anyway let let's let's pull up another
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one of these because these are very interesting These are very interesting Um that these top guys they they say
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stuff and um I'm just trying to understand it I'm just trying to
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understand it Maybe I'm just a you know a gut slug over here and I don't know you know nothing I don't know I don't
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know my behind from a hole in the wall and I'm trying to I'm trying to figure stuff out Okay now this guy the guy with
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the cap on that you that that's right here Okay let me bring him back up cuz y'all can't see him yet Okay let me
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bring him up The guy with the cap on here I don't know his name yet I'm still
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working on it This is on their their their uh uh uh YouTube uh Catholic Live
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Cath Yeah Catholic um or Catholicism Live one of those Um
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but this guy I don't know but this guy next guy that's going to come on his name you guys probably know him he's
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he's goes his name is Trent Horn Big famous guy big famous Catholic apologist
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right goes out does all kinds of big debates and stuff like that been around a long time Um listen to what Trent Horn
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says on um the Eucharist Resfrifice Christ in the Eucharist when
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scripture plainly teaches that he's been sacrificed once for all In the Eucharist Christ is not resacrificed Instead his
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one perfect sacrifice is represented to the father in an unbloody way Hebrews Wait stop Okay stop Full
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stop Wh what why does this is my question Tren Trent Horn
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if you happen to get this you probably I'm a I'm a tiny little speck in the world in your world you'll probably
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never see this okay I tagged you in the video but you'll probably never see this but if you do I want to I need an answer
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to why would God Hold on let me go back a little bit why would God need to be re
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re-represented to God I mean Christ be re-represented Let me let me make sure I'm I'm saying
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this right Let's go back Let's go back In the Eucharist Christ is not resacrificed Instead his one perfect
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sacrifice is represented to the father Re re-represented Why does his sacrifice
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need to be re-represented to God to God
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Why i'm a question asker I'm a question asker I I ask
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questions I I don't just Hey uh Dragon player I appreciate you man Thank you for being there my brother Um I I don't
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I don't I don't understand why this needs to happen Am I being weird i I don't know
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In an unbloody way In an unbloody way Wh why in an unbloody way why the Bible
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says without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins So why are
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you trying to re undo what God has said needs to be
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done that's my question Trent That's my question brother 13:10 says "Christians
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have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat." And 1 Corinthians 10:21 says "You cannot
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partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons." In both cases the table refers to a sacrificial altar And
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for Christians this is where they represent Christ's perfect sacrifice Christ died once for sins but his saving
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work is continually represented to the father Well why though why i I'm still not understand why Just as Christ
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continually intercedes for us finally the early church recognized the Eucharist was Christ's sacrifice
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represented to the father St Cyprian wrote the following in the 3rd century If Christ Jesus our Lord and God is
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himself the high priest of God the Father And if he offered himself as a sacrifice to the father and if he commanded that this be done in
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commemoration of himself then certainly the priest who imitates that which Christ did truly functions in place of
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Christ Why do cat that that the the last part of that is again and and this is a
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lot of what happens and is that instead of having a real theological position
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they want to run to somewhere that supports their argument But I'm going to ask this question again Why does the
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sacrifice of Christ need to be re-represented to the father in the
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first place for what is it does God not have does he have memory problems or
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something does he have memory oh yeah I I'm I'm so glad you reminded me of that
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man Thanks guys you know I'm suffering from a little bit of Alzheimer's and um
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you know thanks for for for re re-representing that to me I really
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needed that No no no S uh Sergeant
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Adhesive Okay sold on a second Let me see Let me let me let me catch up with here Let me catch up with
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this sanctifying grace Let's put this up here Where's your
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proof where's your proof i I just like to know where's the
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proof of what you just said Okay And let's put this other one up by Sergeant Ahesiveness This really active over in
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the chat right now Um that's why we we don't
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resacrifice Christ sacrifice one for all is a super abundance of grace to cleanse
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of us of all our sins through baptism and con and confession Okay So then my
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next question is if what you believe that that if Christ was uh once all for
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all sacrifice as a super abundance of grace then why do we need to keep doing
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that over and over and over again why why does he need to be re just like
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Trent your boy Tren Horn said it It's a
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re-representing Why do we need to do that that's saying to that his it wasn't
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sufficient enough We got to keep reminding God of
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what his son did like he's got an Alzheimer's or something like he has memory problems I It's just not tracking
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for me It's not tracking Okay So let's let's let's move on here Let's move on
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Uhhuh Y'all you guys hit the share button man Hit the share button Hit the share button if y'all reach out to y'all
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Catholic buddies or if y'all in some of these Catholic groups or whatever reach out cuz I really do want to I really do
1:00:37
want to have some talks with some Catholics man I really do want that cuz I need to understand I need to
1:00:42
understand Need to understand Okay So here's another guy Guy in the hat again
1:00:49
Guy in the hat again I got to get his I got to get the guy in the hat's name And And this other guy I don't know
1:00:56
him So I'm just going to be honest with you I I don't know this next guy that you're going to hear explain All from
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Catholic uh um answers.com though All from Catholic Answers These are the guys
1:01:07
These are the guys at the top of the food chain when it comes to Catholicism Uh and particularly Catholic uh
1:01:14
apologists That's That's these guys pray for us when the Bible says the dead know nothing because the saints in heaven
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have the Okay so this has to do with Hold on let go all the way back This has to do with Mary as an intercessor How
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can Catholics teach that the saints can pray for the saints the saints let me get this right Like I said no
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misrepresentation How can the saints pray for us okay the Bible says the dead know nothing Because the saints in
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heaven have the beatotific vision The righteous Hold up Stop Beatotific vision Okay I that's a term I've never heard of
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before I've been studying the Bible I've been studying Bible dictionaries
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commentaries um lexicons all this stuff for a long time I've never heard
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beatotific vision in my whole life I I think that's a I think that's a
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Catholic term that they created to explain this I'm just I'm just being
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honest with y'all Just sharing my heart that they have to beatific and it sounds
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really smart right he must know what he's talking about How can Catholics teach that the saints can pray for us
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when the Bible says the dead know nothing because the saints in heaven have the beatotific vision The saints in
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heaven had the beatotific vision We don't even know what that is bro We don't even know what that is The
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righteous separated souls in the Old Testament did not The natural mode of knowing things for a human being
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involves using the body and its sense powers Consequently without the body a soul wouldn't be able to know things in
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a natural way For it to exercise such power in its unnatural state it would require some help from God Separated
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souls in the afterlife before the ascension of Christ were in an unnatural state and ordinarily did not have help
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from God to know things Therefore the author of Ecclesiastes at the time was correct in saying "The dead know
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nothing." But this statement is no longer true given that the souls currently in heaven have the botific
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vision and are there's that word again that term botific vision Bro we don't
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know what that is Man you just sounded Listen I'm I'm going to be honest with
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y'all This guy to me I don't know the brother I'm not attacking him But this
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brother to me is like he's the guy the really super smart guy in the room He's
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the really super smart guy in the room And whatever he says you're just going to listen to it cuz the saints in heaven
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have the beat beotific vision guys Yeah He says that like everybody in the room
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knows Yeah The beatotific vision The beatific vision Bro what is
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that it's a madeup term You gave the definition Okay What
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it is is this in Christian theology Okay
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The botific vision is the ultimate state of happiness and joy that believers will
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experience when they see God face to face in heaven It's the direct immediate and perfect Okay What is your source for
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that i'd like to know the source What's the source of the
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definition hey Doky Doi Bible Club What's up man appreciate you my brother Thank you for being here man Um yeah So
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so this guy is a really smart guy Really smart guy has has a lot of words but
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given but this is not to know the affairs of men on earth This is confirmed in passages like revelation 5
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So this is his support of this is his support of how can we pray to this the
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saints because remember somebody had a question from question I think it was um
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Lauren Lauren Roland said how come they they keep well how come we got so many saints I don't know why but apparently
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all these saints have some kind of power to give our prayers to
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Jesus like you know special delivery Again we have no we have no
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just like the just like the uh Jimmy Aken said we don't really have scriptural basis for this You just have
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to trust the tradition Don't trust the scripture that
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was given by the Holy Spirit Don't trust that Trust the Catholic
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Church I'm sorry guys I just don't I'm not I'm not comfortable with that I'm
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not comfortable with that I'm just not and I I don't think I ever will be anyway 58 and 69 For this reason we can
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say the saints currently in heaven pray for us even though it was true that separated souls in the Old Testament
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didn't ordinarily know you would have to have a camera in heaven Listen to this right here You would have to have a
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camera in heaven to know that You would have to have a camera in
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heaven to know that they're Oh yeah They're currently playing for us right now How do you know you don't dude You
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don't You don't You don't Okay let's see
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Uh the prayers of the righteous who let's see Let's see what this spo It's
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not power And the Bible says the prayers of the righteous are powerful Yes What
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powerful powerful uh righteous in heaven or righteous here Who were they writing
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to they weren't writing to dead saints when they wrote the prayers of the
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righteous avail much That's what you're talking about in James right that was written to alive saints
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not dead ones Just thought I'd bring that up Okay So let let's move on to the next one
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Let's move on to the next one Let's move on to the next one This is Jimmy Akin
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again Jimmy Aken again Jimmy
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Akin sharing my same first name Okay so
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again the the guy the guy with the uh the guy with the hat Y'all help me out
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Who is the dude with the hat man I need to know that I need to know the name of the dude
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with the hat Seems like a cool dude actually Seems like a cool down Okay here we go guys indulgence and how can I
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get one an indulgence is when a person performs a pious action like let's say
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going on a pilgrimage and the church then intervenes with the power of the keys to remove some of the temporal
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consequences that can remain What oh wait Hold up Hold up Wait Let me
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go back Plenary indulgences Okay So first of all first of all let's do this
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Let's do this Let's define indulgence Okay Okay Let let's let's let's define indulgence Okay First first let's do
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that Let's do that Let's do that And I'mma go to a Catholic source because
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like I said I don't want to be taken out of you know what I'm saying Um Okay So here we go Uh we going to go
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to Catholic Answers How about that guys okay All right So here we go
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Um let me pull this up cuz we need to know what these words these words and
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terms that they be throwing around We need to know what that is man I I I don't like I I like to define stuff I I
1:08:34
don't like to just for people to just be saying stuff and I don't know what's going on So we going to their website to
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define their word Okay What an indul Okay Hold on Let me let me zoom in Let
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me zoom in Okay Indulgenc is the word indulgence
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Can y'all see that can y'all see that good can y'all see that
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good okay let's see Uh the indulgences the word
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indulgence originally means meant kindness or favor In post classic Latin
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it can mean to the to the remission of a tax or debt In Roman law in the Vulgate
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of the Old Testament it was used to express release from captivity or punishment In theological language also
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the word is sometimes employed in its primary sense to signify the kindness or
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mercy of God But in the in the special sense in which it is considered here
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considered an indulgence is a remission of a temporal punishment due to sin the
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guilt of which has been forgiven Among the equivalent terms used
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um in antiquity were pax uh raisio
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donatio condonatio Um uh so basically what it
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means is payment for sin That's what it means Right now this
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is important This is important Why do we still have that couple of reason couple
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of thoughts Why do we have a system of
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indulgences when Christ paid the penalty for sin already
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remember he was once for once for all sacrificed for
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sin Why are there still indulgences and this let me give y'all a little history Let's see Uh uh um let's see
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Uh Okay So let me let me let me pull something up for y'all because this these indulgences have a
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history They have a history The indulgences have a history Okay just so
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you know I want to summarize it though I don't want I don't have all day
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Um could because very famous man named Martin Luther had a problem with
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indulgences indulgences Okay so we going to talk about that
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Okay So let's put it up Let's put this up real
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quick Indulgences We We still out here trying to We still out here trying to pay for our sins after Christ already
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done went to the cross That's why I say they they they that's a disrespect to Christ man Anyway here it is What did
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Martin Luther mean by indulgences martin Martin Lu Martin Luther saw indulgences
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as a flawed practice within the the Catholic Church arguing they trivialized
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sin and offered a transactional view of of forgiveness He believed they were
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used as a fundraising tool and didn't actually lead to
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salvation Well that's what it sound like to me Okay So I'm I'mma scroll down because we
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got because for the for the for the for the uh um in the essence of time I'm
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going scroll down to uh where it says the church's response to him and his 95
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thesis because a big part of his 95 thesis was the this problem His problem
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was these indulgences Okay So I'm gonna read this these last two parts The sale of indulgences a common practice in
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Luc's time was was the selling of indulgences where
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people could pay to have their sins forgiven or shorten time in purgatory So
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you but you could buy your way out of purgatory which is a whole another show Luther viewed this as an exploited
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practice that undermined the church's teachings the church's response while the practice of selling in georgances
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was later stopped by Pope Paul the I think that's the fifth right or 10th I
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don't know what I don't know my Roman numerals uh uh anyway the church continued to recognize the validity of
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indulgences emphasizing they should not be purchased Come on
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man Come on man Come on man How do you recognize
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that okay So they So you
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you are you all right no you're
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not The church continued to recognize the validity of indulgences
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emphasizing they should not be purchased How do you recognize the validity of it
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but then say it shouldn't be purchased come on man What are y'all doing what y'all doing man what y'all doing man
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what y'all doing this is Stop Just stop it Just
1:14:44
don't do it But here we go Here we are Here we are talking about indulgences in
1:14:51
2025 Talking about indulgences in 2025 Let's put Let me get Put that video back up here Put that back up here Put that
1:14:58
back up here Put that back up here Let's put Jimmy Aken back up
1:15:09
here Okay hold on What is a plenary a plenary
1:15:18
indulgence people still making sacrifices after Christ already sacrificed Indulgence And how can I get
1:15:24
one an indulgence is when a person performs a pious action like let's say
1:15:29
going on a pilgrimage and the church then intervenes with the power of the keys to remove some of the temporal
1:15:37
consequences that can remain the power of the keys even after we've repented of our sins
1:15:44
and been forgiven for them So that's what an indulgence is If you've been forgiven of your sins why are you still
1:15:50
trying to get forgiveness of your sins make it make
1:15:57
sense I'm a straight line thinker If listen if I if if if um if I
1:16:06
get a an if I get convicted of something and somebody does my time for me and
1:16:13
they get out and they do the the parole it's over
1:16:20
with It's it's done I I don't you guys don't get it Do I
1:16:28
just think that y'all just don't get it Y'all want to make works Y'all want the works And in this case it might be some
1:16:40
involved Yeah I am going to keep talking this cuz this is my show If you don't like that then you you can either do one
1:16:47
of two things When I have a show when I ask Catholics to come on you can come on and explain all this to me I have people
1:16:53
in my chat that are talking to you too I know they are cuz I'm watching them You see what I'm saying so and I
1:17:02
appreciate you being here but you
1:17:07
know sin Hold on let's put this up You think sin and temporal punishment are
1:17:13
the same thing no Those are two different things Punishment is what you
1:17:18
get for sin And because pun uh sin requires a punishment that punishment
1:17:25
has already been carried out by Christ That's my point You do you not get that i don't
1:17:33
understand how you don't get that But let let me An indulgence is plenary if it involves the removal of all of the
1:17:41
temporal consequences that can remain In order to obtain a plenary indulgence you need to do the action in question like
1:17:47
going on that pilgrimage You also need to go to confession receive the Eucharist and pray for the intentions of
1:17:55
the supreme path And then there's again you you're doing all these actions
1:18:03
to remove to do something that Christ already
1:18:08
did Is anybody else healing see cuz you Catholics that are in my chat right now
1:18:13
I don't think you guys are hearing me I don't think you guys are hearing me
1:18:19
You guys have all this trust You have all this trust in the Catholic Church And I'm telling you in
1:18:27
plain language and all you're doing is regurgitating Catholic answers That's
1:18:33
all you're doing Let's put this up Uh uh justice
1:18:42
399 This is what Justice 399 says Indulgences are a denial of Colossians
1:18:51
23-4 Which means that Hold on Let let's go
1:18:59
ahead Okay Hey whatever you got going on with Bill for speed in there that's between you and him Hey he can handle
1:19:06
his own business Okay And also yeah a a good point I see going on in the chat Um
1:19:13
the the that that that uh
1:19:20
um what's the word I'm looking for that usage of of the the indulgence system is
1:19:27
not a system that is validated by the Bible You have to go to the
1:19:34
Mcabes Let me say tell y'all something about the Apocrypha I'm just going to say this one thing The the
1:19:41
Apocrypha was written during a time when God was not talking to
1:19:49
Israel Yeah None of those guys are
1:19:55
prophets There is no thus sayeth the Lord in there God wasn't speaking during
1:20:00
that time So you want to hinge who you want to hinge your your um
1:20:07
you want to hinge your um your your salvation on that or a
1:20:13
doctrine on that Interesting Who gave you the Bible god
1:20:20
gave us the Bible That's who gave us the
1:20:25
Bible And and what and and what does that mean
1:20:30
what are you trying to create this that's off topic And I and I hope all you Catholics are you guys all
1:20:37
subscribed to me all you Catholics over here I want y'all to subscribe to me cuz I do I want to have conversations with
1:20:43
y'all You know what I'm saying i do So subscribe to me and we'll have further
1:20:49
conversations about this cuz this is something we need to talk about man We got to make we got to put Christ back in
1:20:54
the center This what y'all don't want I my question to you Catholics my question to you Catholics
1:21:01
who are in my chat right now My question to you Catholics
1:21:07
is Christ the center of Catholic
1:21:14
doctrine because I don't really hear y'all talking about him that much
1:21:26
I don't hear you you guys talking about it much I don't and I that's what I'd like
1:21:32
to know And not just a mention of Christ just because you mention No I don't I
1:21:37
don't believe that Philip uh Philip Philip Philippi 4:13 I don't believe
1:21:43
it I I think that Christ is an asterisk on all the rest of your stuff because
1:21:50
that's all I hear I hear Mary I hear saints I hear uh Eucharist I hear all
1:21:55
this other stuff but I don't hear
1:22:01
Christ Yeah So that's
1:22:07
me right so let's see Let's see Uh okay Yeah We can We getting close to
1:22:15
the end of this here Okay Okay guys Here's another dude from
1:22:20
catholicansers.com I don't I don't know him I don't know him I don't know his uh
1:22:26
he's on the site And here's guy with the funny hat again Here's here's here's guy
1:22:32
here's a a guy with the funny hat again Um who's asking all the questions that
1:22:37
people are obviously calling in with but I don't know who this guy is So y'all can maybe help me out with that too So
1:22:44
here we go sacraments or if you die in the process of becoming Catholic Certainly if you die in the process of
1:22:49
becoming Catholic that's what's called baptism of desire and very clearly okay
1:23:01
desire Uh so I'm going ask a silly question Show me the baptism of desire
1:23:06
in the scriptures I know you can't but that doesn't matter right it doesn't
1:23:11
matter cuz according to Trent Horn I mean I mean Jimmy Aken it doesn't have
1:23:17
to be in the Bible It doesn't have to be there It just has to be in tradition that we that
1:23:24
the church made up That's all that matters to you guys You guys have a low
1:23:30
view of scripture You guys have a low view of scripture A low view of scripture and a
1:23:38
low view of Christ sacrifice
1:23:43
That's the problem I have with you guys And I love y'all man Just like I told y'all my brother Jim my Catholic brother
1:23:50
Jim that I had a debate with I love that Catholic my Catholic brother he calls me
1:23:56
a heretic but I still love him because this is important Baptism of
1:24:03
desire in scripture is the thief on the cross
1:24:18
who anyway I I don't I don't I maybe I'm just you know I'm just late to this Anyway let's let's put let's put this
1:24:24
back Hold on Yeah let's put let's get let's get him back talking again The
1:24:29
fruits of baptism would still apply In the catechism he talks about this explicitly in paragraph 1258 Okay so
1:24:35
this is in the catechism Let's see what it says The thing to remember here well oh oh wait Oh so it's in the catechism
1:24:43
It's not in the Bible 1258 The thing to remember here is God has bound us to the
1:24:48
sacraments but he is not himself bound by the sacraments That line is from paragraph 1257 of the catechism If
1:24:55
another catechism now he showed us two catechism Jesus tells you to do something There's three possible
1:25:00
outcomes Number one you do it Number two you intentionally disobey him Or number three for some other reason you don't
1:25:07
succeed The first group heaven Wait hold up You don't For some reason you don't succeed I I don't What baptism salvific
1:25:15
The second group not heaven Baptism is salvific We have We could have a talk about that right there because that
1:25:22
would negate the the thief on the cross thing If baptism is salvific then how is
1:25:28
Christ telling uh the thief on the cross that that today thou shalt be with me in
1:25:35
paradise i don't know Just the third group still have if it's not their fault could be you didn't know if it's not
1:25:40
their fault So if if it's not their fault not what fault We are all the Bible says all have sinned and come
1:25:48
short of the glory of God Okay
1:25:53
And the Bible says also in Romans every man knows God Every man knows that there
1:26:00
is a God Period So I'm not buying that Oh you
1:26:07
know innocently you were unaware He wanted you to do something Innocently unaware There's no such thing Could be
1:26:14
you tried to do it and then died in the process It could be that you were physically incapable of doing it Now
1:26:19
these are outliers guys These are outliers Now he's going now he's going on outliers Well you know if he just
1:26:27
just didn't know it or he just was physically incapable you were physically incapable of repenting of your sins and
1:26:36
putting your faith in what Jesus did on the Christ cross Oh yeah God will just forgive you Come on bro Come on Like
1:26:45
that's not disobedience I mean there may be some other area you're disobeying but the the broad point here is there's a
1:26:52
difference between disobeying God and being kind of clueless about something Come on man Come on bro Come on Come on
1:27:00
I'm not I'm not buying it I'm just not buying that man I'm sorry I just don't I'm not buying
1:27:06
it I am just not buying
1:27:12
it Okay So so guys so like I said I I
1:27:18
brought this I brought this um this is not and and to answer your earlier question this one particular show is not
1:27:23
a call-in show but I have one coming up for you And that's why I asked all of you all of you Catholics that are in
1:27:30
here now if you guys will subscribe to me and hit the notification bell so you get the notification every time I go
1:27:36
live Please please please do that Please do that right now and I will give you
1:27:42
opportunities to come on the show and explain I will that's in in in in the
1:27:47
future for me I don't have no problem with bring you up this I'm just right now I have uh I have an activity that I
1:27:52
got planned I got to get through all this content and I just don't have the time today But I do want to answer your
1:27:58
questions and I hope that you guys are listening to my chat because I've got the best chat on YouTube I got the best
1:28:06
support on YouTube right now that know the Bible So I know they interacting with y'all So I'm hoping that some of
1:28:13
y'all questions are getting answered You know what I'm saying says I got to bounce Uh might check back later uh to
1:28:20
call in Okay Well subscribe to me bro And then you'll get the notification man That's what I'm saying And you welcome
1:28:26
to come back And I'm just going to say to you Catholics too Listen we if we don't agree on something that's fine But
1:28:34
we can agree without being disagreeable man It don't have to be a fight It don't have to be no disrespect We don't have
1:28:40
to you know uh personally attack nobody You know what I'm saying we can just say well you know I don't I just don't I got
1:28:45
push back for that Or I disagree with that Can we just do that yo we can do that I can you know we can have
1:28:51
conversations man You know what I'm saying um I'm open to the conversation with anybody man Let's see Um yeah we do
1:28:59
We want all the smoke brother Chris You know this You know what I'm saying um we we trying to get this Bible right See
1:29:05
and this is another problem that I have with the Catholic Church They they have
1:29:11
a like I said before they said before you can take the Bible or you can you
1:29:17
can leave it That's the way I see it You got you lean on the Catholic
1:29:22
Church Let me put this big old Oh Sarak Okay hold on Let's see this Let's put this up guys Let's put this up Sarak
1:29:30
28:2 Forgive your neighbor the wrong he has done and your sins will be pardoned
1:29:36
when you pray Does any anyone harbor anger
1:29:42
against one another and expect healing from the Lord what's the point are you you are you having a conversation with
1:29:48
somebody else are you saying Okay so let me ask you this question Toma Are you
1:29:56
saying that you have all your sins pardoned all you have to do is forgive
1:30:02
your neighbor And this is from Sarak This is from the
1:30:08
Apocrypha This was from the
1:30:15
Apocrypha I I got to tell y'all I got to tell y'all I I don't put the only stock
1:30:21
I put in the Apocrypha is that we learn some historical things in the Apocrypha
1:30:28
Um and that's about you know this is it's it's a good read as far as
1:30:33
understanding some more of the history of Israel but to establish doctrines
1:30:38
from the Apocrypha No I'm not doing that Okay hold
1:30:47
on Okay I'm so I'm I'mma and I'mma tell you I'mma tell you why I'm I'mma bring
1:30:53
this up You guys know me I always show my sources I always show you where I'm going I always show you what I'm doing
1:30:59
all the time I don't I don't waver around on that Okay So listen I'm I'mma
1:31:05
bring this up We going to have a talk since since we talking about the Apocrypha It's come up a couple of times So let's talk about it Um let's The
1:31:14
Apocrypha Now where we going now now this is a site called karm.org Okay Um this is a this is but
1:31:23
run by this is run by a brother named Matt Slick Matt Slick has been around a long time He's an apologist who knows
1:31:31
the Bible and he's had class he does classes on it He trains people on this
1:31:36
He's been doing this a long time This is a old article but it still reigns true today The apocrypha consists of a set of
1:31:44
books written between approximately 400 BC and the time of Christ The word apocrypha means hidden These books
1:31:51
consist of first and second Edrris Tobath Judas the rest of uh Esther
1:31:58
excuse me the wisdom of Solomon Sarak also Ecclesiasticus not to be confused
1:32:03
with Ecclesiastes cuz sometimes if you don't listen you'll get the wrong book Anyway Ecclesiasticus Us Baroo the
1:32:11
letter of Jeremiah Songs of the Three Young Men Susanna Bale and the Dragon
1:32:18
the Additions to Daniel the Prayer of Manasseh and first and second Mcabes That's the complete apocrypha right
1:32:24
there The Protestant
1:32:48
the cannon of scripture Now my question is why didn't y'all accept all of the
1:32:54
apocryphal books why why didn't they pick them all up i'll tell you why Because they wanted
1:33:01
the specific doctrines that they found in the books that they kept That's that's my my view Anyway um th though
1:33:08
these are Tobit Judith first and second Mcabes wisdom of Solomon Sarak also as
1:33:14
known as Ecclesiasticus and Baroo The apocryphal books are written in Greek
1:33:21
not Hebrew That tells you they weren't
1:33:26
accepted in the Hebrew Bible Guys I'm going to say this again The
1:33:33
apocrypha was never in Hebrew because the Jews did not accept the apocrypha
1:33:42
writings as scripture That's why we have to wait until we get the uh
1:33:48
Septuagent which is the Greek version of the old of the Old Testament to get the
1:33:54
apocrypha Does that make sense okay So first ma uh uh except for
1:34:01
ecclesiasticas that's the only one first mcabes and part of jud and totem tobot the some and contains some useful his uh
1:34:09
historical information is the apocrypher scripture protestants deny its
1:34:15
inspiration listen to this but the Roman Catholic church affirms it in order to
1:34:21
ascertain whether or not it isn't we need to look within its pages Just this
1:34:28
is where we get down to the to the to the to the bread and butter right here guys To the bread and butter First of
1:34:34
all neither Jesus nor the apostles ever quoted from the
1:34:44
Apocrypha I'mma let that sink in right there I'mma let that sink in right there
1:34:50
I'm let that sink in Let Let me say that again
1:34:56
Jesus nor the apostles ever quoted from the
1:35:06
apocrypha I just that's that's this says it all Says there are over se 260 quote
1:35:13
quotations of the Old Testament in the New Testament and not one of them is
1:35:19
from these books Hm Nevertheless a Roman Catholic
1:35:27
might respond by saying that there are several Old Testament books that are not quoted in the New Testament Uh Joshua
1:35:34
Judges Esther etc Does this mean that they are not inspired either but these
1:35:40
books had already been accepted into the cannon by the Jews That's the key piece
1:35:46
to all of this Okay
1:35:53
So where were where the Jews uh I'm sorry but these books had already been
1:35:58
accepted in canon by the Jews where the apocrypha had not the Jews recognized the old testament cannon and they did
1:36:06
not include the apocrypha in it This is significant because Paul says then what
1:36:13
advantage has the Jew or what the what is the benefit of circumcision great in
1:36:19
every respect First of all they were given and entrusted the oracles of God
1:36:25
That's in Romans 3:es 1-2 Paul tells us that the Jews were entrusted with the
1:36:31
oracles of God This means that they are the ones who understood what inspired
1:36:37
scriptures were and they never accepted the apocrypha
1:36:43
H wow So let's move on Jesus references the Old Testament from Abel to
1:36:51
Zechariah Now listen to this Jesus referenced the Old Jewish Testament from from beginning to end and did not
1:36:59
include the Apocrypha in his reference from the blood of Abel to the blood of
1:37:05
Zechariah who perished between the altar and the house of God Yes I tell you it
1:37:11
shall be charged against this generation And he said that in Luke
1:37:17
11:51 right the traditional Jewish cannon was divided into three sections
1:37:24
law prophets writings And in the in an unusual feature of the last section was
1:37:30
the listing of chronicles out of historical order placing it after Ezra
1:37:35
and Nehemiah and making it the last book of the canon Listen in light of this the
1:37:42
words of Jesus in Luke 15:es 15-51 reflect the settled character of
1:37:49
the Jewish cannon In other words they're telling you what the Jews ex
1:37:55
um accepted as canon and the apocrypha books were not
1:38:01
there Okay So it says um the words of Jesus in
1:38:06
Luke 11:15-51 reflect the settled character of the Jewish cannon with its particular
1:38:14
order already in his day Christ uses the expression from the blood of Abel to to
1:38:20
the blood of Zechariah which appears troublesome since Zechariah was not chronologically
1:38:26
uh the last martyr mentioned in the Bible However Zechariah is the last
1:38:32
martyr of which we read in the Old Testament according to the Jewish
1:38:37
canonical order which was apparently recognized by Jesus and his hearers So that means Jesus even recognized uh
1:38:46
Jesus even uh disregarded the books by never having quoted it and
1:38:53
never having spoken of it Okay
1:38:59
So look at this right here The church fathers on the apocrypha This is this is
1:39:05
important right here Did the church fathers recognize the apocrypha as scripture roman Catholics strongly
1:39:11
appeared to church history And that's the one thing I told you guys before too that they like to do They lean strongly
1:39:18
on church history I don't say that that I don't think that's a bad thing I don't
1:39:24
think that's a bad thing I think that that we should do that cautiously
1:39:30
because they still men guys and they still make mistakes That that's just my thing anyway Um but they but we do not
1:39:38
find a unanimous consensus on the Apocrypha talking about amongst the uh
1:39:44
church fathers right jerome Jerome 3 3:40 to
1:39:50
4:20 who translated the Latin Vulgate which is used by the Roman Catholic Church rejected the Apocrypha since he
1:39:58
believed that the Jews recognized and established the proper cannon of the Old
1:40:05
Testament Listen to that guys the the one guy the one guy who translated the
1:40:12
Latin Vulgate which the which the um the Catholic Church embraced fully They
1:40:19
preached out of that thing in Latin Nobody that they was preaching to
1:40:24
understood a word they were saying but they got it from this Latin Vulgate that Jerome translated
1:40:31
and and Jerome didn't have the apocrypha in the in the Latin
1:40:39
Vulgate This is crazy right so remember the the Christian church built upon that
1:40:46
recognition Also Josephus the famous Jewish historian in the first century
1:40:53
never mentioned the Apocrypha as being part of the Cath cannon either In
1:41:00
addition early church fathers like origin of Jerusalem Athanasius and the
1:41:09
and the great Roman Catholic translator Jerome spoke out against the
1:41:15
apocrypha So we should not conclude that the church fathers unanimously affirmed
1:41:21
the apocrypha They didn't That's pretty clear right
1:41:43
so I'm I just wanted to give y'all some back history on on the Apocrypha cuz
1:41:49
people quoting the Apocrypha don't understand the history of the Apocrypha You see what I'm saying i'm
1:41:55
not building no script no doctrines on the Apocrypha and neither should you Anyway so here's my plan going forward
1:42:03
guys I hope you guys learned something uh out of all that Um so
1:42:10
um I'm planning on doing um open discussions on this where I invite
1:42:17
Catholics to come and talk about what they believe This is my plan going forward But this is why I'm asking all
1:42:23
you Catholics that are here make sure you subscribe subscribe and hit the notification bell so when that way
1:42:29
whenever I post some content or go live you'll see that and you'll be you'll know I'm here So when we do do the open
1:42:36
discussions you guys will be there to uh to give your input But so look for that because I think this is an important
1:42:42
topic especially right now I mean in in the Catholic church right now they we have a new po pope the first American
1:42:48
pope Um I have issues with the the pope as a position period And it's another
1:42:54
place where I just think it's not biblical And you know and that's something we can talk about in the
1:42:59
future though You know what I'm saying so um so uh yeah So look um going
1:43:05
forward going forward I want you guys to be looking for um what let's see what
1:43:11
would I call this um I would call it
1:43:17
um I'll call it open discussion about Roman Catholicism
1:43:23
Something like that And then um if you see that then then that'll be
1:43:29
a show where I'm opening up my line and you can come on and we can have a discussion
1:43:40
Um okay So here let me let me let me uh let me let me put this up right here U M
1:43:46
Dan 22 St Jerome didn't want it because it wasn't in Hebrew but because what he
1:43:53
did translate them because he submitted to the authority of the
1:43:58
Bible Okay Yeah Um let's see Oh Um so this is another
1:44:07
thing I'm I'm going to say going forward that um when you make a
1:44:13
claim when you make a claim when you make a claim you should
1:44:19
have evidence to support that claim because anybody can claim anything
1:44:26
You can say whatever you want about whatever about church history about what scripture says any of that But if you
1:44:33
don't have evidence to support the claim it's a dead claim And so um this is something for
1:44:41
you guys going forward that you when you come up you know um if you're going to make claims I just want you to be able
1:44:48
to support your claim That's right Uh that's Let's put
1:44:54
this up right here because this is this is 100% true Justice 339 says "He who makes the claim bears the burden of
1:45:01
proof." Correct And I've seen justice where people have made claims and they
1:45:07
have said "No you got to prove it." What why do I got to prove it i don't even
1:45:12
believe that that you just said Why do I have to prove something that you said
1:45:17
crazy But you're 100% correct Because I think what happens out here is that
1:45:23
people get online people go to YouTube they watch a lot of content they see a lot of stuff and they just come on and
1:45:30
they just regurgitate Like for instance um like
1:45:35
catholicansers.com I think that a lot of people um go to their site um and they
1:45:41
grab stuff and they come and they they re regurgitate that They don't have no basis for it Jimmy Akin told y'all Jimmy
1:45:50
Akin told y'all um it's not really necessarily the dogmas are not in
1:45:55
scripture It's just in it's in tradition So at that in that situation
1:46:03
the tradition the the Catholic Church outweighs what scripture
1:46:08
says Big problem for me Big problem for me How how is how is
1:46:17
the will of a man or men going to outweigh scripture can somebody tell me that how
1:46:25
does that work how did y'all men look at the scripture and say "Well we don't
1:46:32
actually agree with what it actually says We're going to say this."
1:46:38
No No Yeah Ex Exactly accord um authority
1:46:45
of the hunch Exactly Yeah We We don't like what it says so
1:46:51
we're going to make it say something else Every cult does
1:46:57
that I'm not and I'm not necessarily calling calling the Roman Catholic Church a cult but some of this stuff
1:47:05
some of their beliefs are cultlike in nature Some of their ways of operation are is cultlike in nature You
1:47:16
know who says we disagree with scripture um whenever you make a doctrine that's
1:47:22
not based on scripture you have to disagree with the
1:47:27
scripture Dragon player you can't And when you make a
1:47:33
when you make a um a teaching that goes against the scripture or twist the
1:47:40
scripture here see here's the here's the slight of hand People use the scripture
1:47:47
but then they add to the scripture or they take something away from the scripture to make it a new scripture or
1:47:54
make it mean something that it didn't mean to the original audience That's what the Catholic Church
1:48:01
does Of course they use scripture Every false
1:48:06
teacher in the world every false prophet every false teacher every false ce uh
1:48:12
system in the world uses scripture But they abuse the
1:48:24
scripture You understand what I'm saying so
1:48:32
Lauren Roland I don't know I'm still the For me the jury is still out I'm still I'm still researching that Um uh
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yeah does not what okay What is Okay So I see a word there but I don't What is
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deaf does not guardian angel says the Catholic Church does not deaf scripture What is
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deaf what is the word deft i don't understand what that is Can you clarify
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that defy scripture
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Really really h that's interesting because when I was
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gave my presentation on the Marian doctrines and I talked about the immaculate conception we have no there's
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no scriptural uh um evidence of the immaculate conception
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There's no scriptural evidence that Mary was
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sinless She has to be sinless in order for that doctrine to be to be valid
1:49:40
Right so then tell me how is that script scriptural
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yeah So um yeah So guys um I see hold on
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Let me let me tell y'all let me give you guys a little uh preview on what we got
1:50:23
going on up ahead But I'm going to do I'mma make some skate changes to the
1:50:28
schedule because I I see this I see that this is important And I see I had to change because I had something
1:50:35
else I had something else planned for the day But then I was getting my integrity was getting changed So I was
1:50:41
like I can't do this I I got to answer these questions So that's why and I tagged a few people in it I tagged the
1:50:48
uh Catholic Answers I tagged Council of Trent I tagged uh Jimmy Aken They
1:50:54
probably not going to answer it because you know they big and I'm tall I must flee on the back of their you know
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whatever You know what I'm saying but but um but let me see what do I have
1:51:05
planned up ahead that I can switch out Let's see Um it's
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158 Um I might can switch this one out Oh that's next
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week H that would be interesting
1:51:30
be looking for I'm just gonna say this I'm just gonna say this I'm gonna say you guys that are that are
1:51:36
um you guys that are Catholics that if you subscribe to
1:51:43
me and turn your notifications on when you see me go live and taking phone
1:51:50
calls then that's when you know I'm going to talk to you Which of the 30 to 40 Protestant
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denominations had the true theology that's a good
1:52:03
question I can I can make the same I can make the same assertion about you about
1:52:10
your people What makes you think that um
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Peter was the first pope it's not there
1:52:23
But that's something we can talk about We're not going to talk about it today but we'll talk about it later But these are all questions that we need to talk
1:52:30
about We need to answer these questions So I'm glad y'all came man And uh yeah
1:52:35
so look um appreciate y'all man Y'all come back next time Built for Speed I appreciate you Thank you for hanging out
1:52:41
man Uh Mac Dan appreciate you Thank you for uh for uh hanging out Anton K I like
1:52:49
your questions Keep coming back and keep asking questions Uh guardian
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angel Guardian angel Okay let's put up before I go on let's put this up
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Everything rooted in the script Everything Catholic doctrine is rooted in scripture You simply disagree with their interpretation It's all about
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authority We see we see what solos scriptorra has led
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to So let's deny scripture Let's deny the the authority of scripture and let's
1:53:19
put it in the hands of a man a flawed man by that by the way because
1:53:25
this done them been some flawed popes You want to talk about authority your authority you can't throw throw
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stones sir You cannot throw stones You
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cannot Y'all have some bad popes and and ste and priests
1:53:44
too Don't get me talking about authority Don't don't have me talking about authority You know it's you know it's
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not about that And and I'm gonna say this again I'mma say this again Every
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false teaching system has
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scripture Okay it doesn't matter that you have scripture How are you interpreting the
1:54:09
scripture are you adding on to the scripture that's what the Catholic Church does they add on to the scripture
1:54:16
or they say we say that this is what scripture says based on
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what so yeah that's like I said that's a something we can talk about man so I appreciate y'all coming to hang out with
1:54:30
me man uh y'all Catholics come back y'all chirping all especially y'all loud chirpers I want y'all to come back man
1:54:36
y'all come back uh I'mma open up the lines for y'all and we going to have a good conversation man uh God bless each
1:54:43
and every one of you guys my normal people Steven Rankings uh Lauren uh Roland um um uh uh uh Sheila Sheila
1:54:53
Mahomes uh Bill for Speed and uh uh Remy Canadian Steve uh not Steve Walsh uh
1:55:01
Jesse Walsh all my all my friends I appreciate all you guys coming man So be
1:55:07
be on the look be on the lookout for more of these uh Catholic discussions man They're coming So I see I see we got
1:55:13
a lot of action over here So I I want to continue this conversation So uh God bless everybody You guys uh have have a
1:55:20
happy Memorial Day tomorrow God bless each and every one of y'all Till next time Peace