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hello this is taiva at the eternal perspective conversation and i have in front of me um a good
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friend i would say and i'll let her introduce herself so would you please tell us what your
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name is and if you want where you're from and anything that you want to add to it
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is welcome okay uh hello everyone my name is tatiana orozco and
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i am 30 years old i just turned 30 about 6 months ago and i know
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so far it's been a it's been an exciting chapter and i i'm enjoying it um
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i i have attended grace community church um
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for about 30 years my whole life um i was i was i wasn't born
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into the church literally but i i was presented at church at two months two three months
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and i've been i've been here ever since and i've seen all the good all the bad that comes with
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church so um i ha i am the oldest of three siblings
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um i am i was born in virginia fairfax county
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virginia but uh i lived in montgomery county since the age of seven and i've been
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here ever since um in in maryland i've been here since 97
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and this is maryland is what i consider home i don't consider virginia home even
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though i was born there but i i moved we moved at such a young age that i don't remember
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too much of it i do remember most of my time here in maryland and
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school my peers friends family uh they're yeah they're
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this is really hard talking about myself
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my next question to you is this like uh we're here to talk christian business okay yes when i say
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christian business i'm not talking about running a business but i'm talking about living the life of christ so um
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so when did you come to christ and how did you come to know jesus
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ah that is a great question so it took place and i forget the year
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and i i can give you like a time frame like uh like age-wise give or take give or take
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uh but it was a dare word by darewood bible church and i was i believe either
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nine or ten around there um and i remember just hearing this
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sermon that my uncle at the time uh was the pastor of the church and now it's his son my cousin pastor
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julio um and i'm not sure why at nine or ten i was just having this
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this uh turmoil this this like it's like a like a raging in my heart as
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um my uncle was preaching that sunday and i remember just going up to the altar during the altar
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call and giving my life to christ that moment
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and shortly after i gave my life to christ i got baptized
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in that same church and i remember i remember knowing
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that this step was really important for my life and that's why i needed to take it but
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at that moment that i'm being completely transparent
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right now but at that moment i didn't realize what i was signing up
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for you know just how important that decision was and how
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um how it's going to be carried for the rest of my life
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talking about now like well 21 years later
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um looking back at that decision
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like if i were to speak to my young self at that moment i would tell myself you know you did a great
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decision doing this um
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and you need to hold on you're going to need to hold on to jesus
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for for a lot of things and
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now i can firmly and honestly say that i do i did it then
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but i do now and uh he's he's really important to
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my everyday life to my thoughts to my prayers to what i say
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um and and really how i think and it'll yeah
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and i remember my uncle
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stating that you know this this was going to be an important decision in your life um
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you know following christ is really easy but i mean it's really
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easy to say yes but with that decision comes
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all these things um but he reassured me that he was going to
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be with me through it all and he has been he was faithful
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he is faithful to to my walk he is faithful to my walk and he's been there
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with me and i can honestly say that i wouldn't be standing here or i wouldn't be here
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at 30 30 years of age without him by my side going through what we went through
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together and when i say we i mean me myself and i
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we've been through a lot since we've accepted christ in our hearts in our
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lives and it it was worth it
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it was worth it yeah i hear that you know you know it's a lot for me i didn't come
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to jesus until i was like probably 25 i've heard about christ i
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went to a presbyterian school and everything but i didn't really make that decision you know so a lot of people that grew up in the church like you
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you know you have the church influence you have your uncle that's preaching you have a lot all your family members are going to church
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so sometimes it's tough because you can be uh in a state where you have
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these emotions that are running through your head and you just give your life to christ so at the age of 10 i believe the lord
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was working then now um what i want to add to this is this like today now that you're mature you've
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grown up you know you're like 30 that's like 20 years down the line so how do you know that you are
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indwelled with the holy spirit because if you look at romans the scriptures say
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um those that are led by the spirit of god are the sons and daughters of god so
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what are the evidences of the holy spirit because a lot of christians i think sometimes they are
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self-deceived like some people they say well yeah i believe in god and and then you look at what they're doing and it's like it doesn't really match up
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so for you what are some of the things that god has done to say you are my daughter
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you belong to me like what are the pillars like some of the things that have happened that you know that you know that you know
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that you are his forever
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a word that is sticking out to me right now is peace um
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overall i am i guess they could say a pacifist like i
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i i don't like you know being in fights or discussions or arguments
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because i don't do well in those kind of situations but um
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peace when you are in a difficult situation whatever it may
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be um how i know that i'm filled with the
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spirit in that moment of difficulty is me being surrounded by nothing but peace
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and we read that jesus one of jesus name is peace
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prince of peace and i know uh and it also it also takes
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verbally for you to invite the holy spirit to fill you up with peace it's that
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invitation also and inviting god's spirit
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to overwhelm you instead of your emotions um i i'm also
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an emotional person and uh how i can distinguish between my
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emotions and god and his spirit um
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would be when my emotions for a lack of a better
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word flare up um the one
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strong emotion that comes is anger
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and i know that's not from the lord amen and that's when i have to invite the
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holy spirit to dwell into my heart and and fill my every fiber of being
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with peace uh because
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uh when you're in a state of anger anger can really cloud your judgment
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it can make you also do dumb things um and i've i've done
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my share i've i've had my share of dumb things when i'm angry i say the
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wrong things i do the wrong things and when jesus is
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filling you up with his peace um you're not really angry like
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you can let go of that anger you can speak firmly and peacefully and calmly
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in a state of love if it's with another person you would
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dress that person with love and compassion in the midst of that difficulty and and
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not speak from a place of anger because you're probably going to say something that you don't mean
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and another thing um for me personally uh i'm not sure who else
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experienced this but for me personally how i know that i'm filled with the spirit as well
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cry and i and i am a crier i i am a crier that's
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that's the emotional part of me i i cry um but like as a like like right now
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i'm feeling this warm peace and i know this is the holy spirit um
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and uh thank you jesus and um oh my gosh type i i lost my train of
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thought as i was going that's okay real life and and this is part of the process so
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i guess you actually jump ahead of some of the questions that i was gonna ask you but it's good but uh i just wanted to to uh make a
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quick observation no i'm not gonna do that now so let's let's keep going so the pandemic okay we can't talk about
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uh the holy spirit and what he has done without mentioning the pandemic now this pandemic has caused a lot of uh i
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would say isolation that's right we haven't been able to meet our church we've been just
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you know doing nothing so has it served in some some ways to grow you
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spiritually because you don't necessarily have the connection that you have with
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some of the members of the church right how have you grown spiritually in the pandemic or has it been more like a
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challenge to your growth in christ definitely a challenge
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i'll tell you that right off the bat it was a challenge because at the beginning of the pandemic
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i didn't take it very well um i lost not lost
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but i i wasn't working like it felt like a loss that's what i
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meant it felt like a loss because i wasn't working and i was you know i was devastated to hear that i was
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going to be furlough you know um because i've never been in
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that situation before and i didn't know how to handle it i didn't know how to deal with it and i
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i handled it very poorly i reacted it poorly um at the beginning of the
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pandemic and slowly but surely
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i know that the lord was working at me and he was he was letting me know some truths about
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myself that i didn't want to hear um or pay attention to or realize you know um
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but it wasn't until like the last four four months
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that i really just had to like sit down and it was like a battle with myself
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an internal battle and this is where i did a lot of journaling a lot of writing um
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to just really write down what i was thinking what i was feeling even it was
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just like ramble rambling i ramble a lot so you you can see that reflected in my
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in my writing and um
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the the lord definitely challenged he's still challenging me now you know um after hearing today's
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and we're working on those challenges it's been it's been challenging to to grow and i i can relate to that because
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and one of the things that that's settling in usually is laziness yes yeah um
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disregard your spiritual disciplines which is which are important by the way because they helped you to stay focused when you
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don't have that that connection you know like some of us are more like lone wolves than others like
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for me i like community but i also like my private space you can ask
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folks in my house i like to be by myself and i enjoy being alone with the lord myself
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just getting into the world and really growing in that way but for some others it's a it's always
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like that sense of community which is great by the way because i need that too and we all need it yeah
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so so now you talk about emotions and as you and i are talking i see a lot of emotions coming out of you so
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which you know is what i you mentioned it so now my question is you mentioned a couple of things um a week ago when we
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were talking and i asked you permission is it okay if i could talk about it and you i guess you didn't say no so i believe that i can
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talk about our conversation last week where you said for for three days you were crying and praying
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yes and that's like sent me to romans eight where the scripture says for the spirit
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himself um and the seed for us we've grown too deep for words right and which means the spirit of god
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prays for you in those moments sometimes when you're crying
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when you are angry it is the spirit praying in you and the emotion comes out as
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anger and crying maybe but then when i went to to sleep down and i said to myself i
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believe the lord said to me now how do you distinguish between emotions that are
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self-made by you or emotions are coming from the holy spirit and then and um that's the question that
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i went i wanted to ask but you you talked about it earlier you talked about having that peace that passes understanding yes
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and and that kind of helps you understand and also you talked about how anger doesn't overtake you
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because sometimes the spirit of god has holy anger so holy anger can come into you and that
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holy anger uh we saw jesus in it and when he went into the temple where he overthrew the
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tables right so for us because sometimes one of the things that i've struggled with
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and and i'm saying this because i want to ask the question is i i'll listen to like a song a song by celine dion
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which you know i haven't listened to in a long time but i remember i used to listen to where now tears would come down my eyes and then i'll go to church
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on sunday and i'll sing worship songs and i would tear up sometimes so i'm i'm thinking okay now clearly celine
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dion's songs had nothing to do with jesus it was just an emotional love song that i reacted to so how do i know
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whether those those tears are coming from the holy spirit all those tears are coming from our own
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body being just emotionally uh i don't stir you know it's hard so how
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do you now submit the question how do you know whether your emotions at the time are coming from the holy
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spirit so that you don't get deceived in the process how do you know this is genuine this is from the holy
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spirit is there any way to kind of confirm that when those things come to you
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okay i will share with you something that i have not uh share with anybody okay well they
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gonna hear it now they're gonna hear it now um but i won't say any names good i just uh
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i was so when i was telling you that um last week that i was crying for three
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days um it started off with having a conversation with somebody and
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that conversation did not go so well
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um and i remember hanging up after that phone call and um
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i was feeling sad and i was feeling angry and that's what started
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the three days of crying and praying um because at first i was crying at a
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place of anger and sadness
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but the more i started the more i thought about praying because
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then initially i wasn't praying i was just crying because in that moment that's
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what i just needed to do just to release it
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but the more that i thought about praying the more it made me just want to
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try it being in that state of vulnerability and after having that conversation with that
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person um [Music] i felt a shift because it wasn't
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me anymore i was now in the presence of god i was just i was in that
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big house with me myself and i and god
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and it was just us too and i remember just
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pouring my heart out to him after i thought about praying i said let's
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just do it and so it was just like a quick prayer
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and then and then i would take a break and then i would
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um i would come back to that state but my heart it was
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crying out of a place where it wasn't my emotions anymore um
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i thought about some names and i would pray for those names that
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came to my mind um there was one name that came to mind
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and i remember feeling um this emotion um
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it was it was sadness but it was there was also hope and i prayed for that person i'm just
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like lord i don't know what this person is doing like right now um
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but lord protect them be with them you know open their hearts if they're hardened for whatever reason
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and as i started continuing that it was just it just shifted
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um and i was praying out of a place with peace and love
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but also the for a lack of a better word negative
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emotions that came with it um because if i wasn't so much sad about me
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anymore about what i was going through i was more sad
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with what i was praying for
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and i don't i don't know and i remember my sister saying mentioning this one time that um as she
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started praying for people you know she would feel that god would um
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allow her to feel with with what uh allow her to feel
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what that person is feeling or what god was feeling that person
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it's almost like an intercession where the burden on that person is put on you
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and then you begin to pray for that person you know which which is scripture i believe and also i
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remember in first samuel there was a woman named um hannah she couldn't have any children
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right okay so for years she she would go to the temple and ask the lord you know and the lord the child didn't
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come until she got to the point where she said if you give me that child i'll give them to the lord all the days
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of his life but the scripture says something clear she said she went to the lord and she
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was weeping before the lord and out of those on tears i guess the
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holy spirit himself was working in her to pray exactly the mind of god
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for that person in the sense that as she was praying then the lord was birthing in her the
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desire to pray for that person no they deserve to pray for a child which was samuel
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you know and so i believe uh maybe you can ask the lord maybe you have uh
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an intercessory uh gift that he has given you i wouldn't say gift but maybe he has put that burden on you to pray for people and in
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the process things happen so i will say seek the lord for that and then ask him to um
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to uh to confirm it because one of the things that uh i've been made aware of lately myself is
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um like what pastor julio was saying this morning their heart is deceptive
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you know and i've never when i've been in a place where i'm self-deceived i'm thinking okay maybe this is the from the road and i'm like
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okay this is my own head you know so what i've done as of ladies anytime i i've sent something i say hey
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listen i need to call one or two brothers in christ and say listen god god please confirm
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this and and this is scripture because the scripture says test every spirit because there are some spirits that have
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come out and they will deceive you so i'll say i would encourage you and myself to whenever we hear something from the lord
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and we believe we heard something let's always confirm somebody and say listen i'm i i'm feeling this way
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i want you to please help me confirm it and and possibly let's go to scripture if there's any scripture that can confirm this
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because sometimes what has happened is i've been so isolated that i begin to
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get into this place of uh and i don't want to share this but i'm going to mention it quickly
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it was a recurring thing with me i felt some ways and i kept feeling as if it was this was only me me me me me and
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then finally uh sarah told me you need to stop thinking this way man like get out of yourself like she called me
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out on it and it was something that i needed to hear but the lord confirmed it in the sense that it was
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me just being caught up in my own thoughts but you know and and i'm only saying
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that because um i just want to encourage one another us to
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to be more like a community in the sense that we need to always talk to other christians you know that
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we trust and we know that have our best interest about the things that we're feeling and and encourage it it's good to be
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alone and to do it alone was is better when you have a brother or sister in christ that can also join him
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in the process and confirm what you're feeling and also support you in the process yes
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and i'm so glad you mentioned that because that that in itself is important as well um that literally happened to me
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last year um it's been a year excuse me it's been a year since i
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praying since i prayed for this because from the moment i heard it
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it you know it was like this uh you know um i'm trying to look for the word in
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english and i uh this unresting
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[Music] yeah it's like this unresting uh
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feeling yeah when because when i heard it i was just i was confused i was a little
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like blindsided a little bit you know because it was it was just it was just something that
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was unexpected and it was the last thing i needed to hear that night
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you know and and because you know we were at a celebration we were celebrating life that night you know and
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and then you know that curveball happens and um i mentioned i brought it up to somebody
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and i brought it up to somebody and she kind of like disregarded it
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and that kind of like discouraged me a little bit because you know um
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because i haven't heard anything like that you know and i needed to share it with
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somebody and i shared it with with somebody the next day
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and then like it was like disregarded and i'm just like no this doesn't feel right you know like i
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have to talk to somebody else about it because maybe she doesn't understand maybe she doesn't
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know what to say and she just said what she said but i needed to speak with somebody else
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about it um so i went to my sister's mother-in-law because
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i don't know why but the lord led me to her so i did and she goes well hold on now
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if this is something that was said by god or in the name of god then
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you needed it to come you need to confirm it with two other witnesses
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and so she was my first and my sister was the second um i'm still praying because i still
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have not received that confirmation and i'm gonna be honest with you um
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[Music] i'm i'm still waiting for that confirmation
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and i don't know how the lord's gonna confirm it i am scared a little bit
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and because it's all new i know nothing about it and i don't know
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how to proceed with it and if it is confirmed or i should say
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when it is confirmed um i i pray that my heart
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and my attitude is in the right place for me to receive it and to accept it
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um yeah those are tough things you know as
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believers in christ you know we've been done some tough roads and and that's what the bible says that um
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we're gonna suffer in this world you know and and if you if you dig into everybody's
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life as a believer you find that they've had times i've had times you have time pastor
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julio had time where it was almost like the whole world is coming down on your head and you you
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bandage everything on your shoulders which is hard to do yeah and in those times i found those times
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to be the times where i grew the most you know like four
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three four years ago and i was talking to one of brother in christ i say i was really really in my thinking
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i had like what him would you say a form of godliness but i deny its power in the sense that i
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was i believe i was a believer but then the things that i was doing on a daily basis they weren't consistent
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with the word of god so to speak and then the lord allowed me to go through a time of sifting
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the sifting of the believer which i told somebody that i wouldn't wish
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that on my worst enemy but that has
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caused me to grow and i cannot take the credit for the growth because it was all by the grace of god
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you know the scripture says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of god and many people twist that scripture
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they don't understand yeah what it means you know but god uses
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all things together for good for those who have been called according to his purpose and his purpose
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for the main time for for the most part is to make you like jesus
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so sometimes the things that you're going through that you don't understand they are
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working to conform you to the likeness of christ and it's hard for us because it is
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painful it may be shameful he may be destroyed like we think this is going to destroy
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me but the scripture says uh no discipline is pleasant at a time
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but later it leads to the harvest of righteousness for those who have been trained by it
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that's the whole thing like it gives it makes you strong like the world says
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what doesn't kill you make you stronger but we say we say it gives you a harvest of righteousness
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so i believe god is working
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for your good and for his glory amen to bring about the righteousness of christ in you some
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way or another i don't know what it is but we can only hope because the word of god does not lie the word of god is true
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amen you know so so i'll say like people say hang in there which is cliche but i i truly believe hang in
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there hang on christ yes hang on christ you know goes hanging there it's not really good hope
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hang on christ you know and and that's that's the that's the main main thing
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now i have a question that i want to ask you because i believe you can give some of these
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young girls um some advice on that and and it's the question is the question i asked a
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couple of people it's like for dating for now like i've i've been out of the game you know i'm
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married yeah i've been adding so i don't know anymore what you know like so the question is with the way the
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world is going now like how would you counsel a young girl maybe in her
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she's 18 20 17 16 going up to like what would you say uh she should
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look for in a man these days like what would you say to a girl that is in christ i'll say believe it because
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unbelievers right now they probably won't listen to you they think you're old-fashioned i'm old-fashioned but what would you say
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to some a girl that say listen i love god but i also want a boyfriend like
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my friends you know like so what would you say to go about what what would you constantly what was your
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advice ah i know that this is uh not something
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young girls want to hear especially if they want to like if they have that desire to be in a
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relationship because i was there at one point in my life so
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i want to say wait wait until you
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feel truly ready to be in a relationship because it requires trust it requires communication it
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requires you to be vulnerable with each other with yourself to be honest and truthful and
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if there's any deception in that relationship it will it will fall and
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and i know what i'm about to say is so cliche it's so uh overshared
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uh but truly a man after god's own heart is worth the
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wait [Music] a man who knows god who
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has a relationship with jesus who can trust jesus in
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the most hardest parts of his life as well as the best parts of his life
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that truly is a man who
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wow this is truly a man who can lead you in your family this is a man
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who will love you because he loves jesus
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this is a man and i notice that i'm not saying boy i'm saying man
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and i'm not saying that what i'm not what i'm trying to say is a boy a boy has
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that capacity to do the right things by jesus um if
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by by a young age he he feels led by jesus and is truly living
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for jesus but i also belie when i say wait it's because you don't need a boy
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you need a man and by waiting you will acquire that man
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that knows the values in life what's really
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important and will lead his family
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into that environment as well um a man after god's own heart
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true is is a i feel like it's a virtue in itself but you know most most people who say
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that doesn't exist anymore and they're like i need you to show me practical like
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practical uh things that i can do now because i i just want to have a boyfriend you know it which is hard to
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do you know so so you know yeah that's what i wanted to ask you know like what would
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you say to a young girl but you you gave me um the answers and i'll say
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i will encourage you to continue to do that with those that are under you you know those that you know you know don't stop preaching that
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because sometimes we we under preach if we think what they already know but now i think we should
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always reiterate it like it's just like when i don't read the word of god for like a week
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things just i forget i always have to go back yeah mind them so keep on reminding them
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and don't stop doing it even if they don't like it keep saying it and i can honestly
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honestly say this i'm still single and these are these are things that i've come to learn
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right and what i want in my spouse um because i believe that's important
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that's important yeah did your dog just open the door by itself yes you did that's awesome you just disrupted the
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is there anything else she wanted to add because i pretty much have ran out of questions so if you have
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anything else you wanted to add you know so you can wrap this up um go ahead i
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i truly hope that this video helped somebody because this was not
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easy for me to say yes to um but i did it with
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just with that one notion that maybe one person needed to hear this
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and maybe feel that they're not alone in this journey or you know with the
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emotional part of their life um that you know to reach out if if you're not
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part of a church community and you really want to be part of a church community or a community itself um look for people
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that will encourage you inspire you uplift you
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um and throw truth at you
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we don't have time for lies we don't have time for games no more no
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no and and surround yourself with love with jesus's love i have to i have to
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surround myself with jesus love every day because um you know
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jesus made it very clear what we are what's inside our hearts in in mark
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uh mark chapter eight yeah you know and we have to depend on god
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every day yes to get those out of our hearts and to lead a life
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that jesus did and and what we what we read in the
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bible it's not easy but it's worth it yes it's worth it it is worth it yeah i
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totally agree with you on that and young lady wait wait for the one
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because uh if jesus is not in the middle of your relationship it's not going to work that's right and
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i i can honestly say that with all the experience in the world and i'm not i'm not expert at dating
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either it's just these are things that i've learned along the way uh you need jesus in the middle of your
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relationship because he's the one who's going to take that and grow for his glory
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amen and it's only for his glory yes and with that we just gonna wrap up this
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uh good conversation that we just had again guys thanks for watching and i'm taiv from uh grace coming to
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church if you wanna listen to our sermons i will have a link for you in the description again thank you for being part of this process
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and you have a wonderful day thank you very much and i'm going to