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I was on YouTube a few days ago and I found this video of a man who claimed that if Jesus was God how come HE prayed to be saved by God, basically referring to Hebrews 5:7. And he was boasting about how he was trapping Christians with this question. He was very proud of his achievement it seems. The interesting thing is that he is not the first person in History to ask this question. A messenger from God himself asked a similar question, John the Baptist. And I’ll show you where he did it, Matthew 3:13-17 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
Today I want to talk about why Jesus offered up prayers to be saved by God if He is God, see video
Scripture References
Hebrews 5:7-9
Isaiah 53
Hebrews 1:8-9
Hebrews 2:10-11
Matthew 3:17
Matthew 17:5
Mark 9:7
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hello good morning and this is T at
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tha.com and today's uh Thanksgiving and
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uh I just wanted to uh wish you a Happy
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Thanksgiving wherever you are if you are
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with your family members travel
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somewhere be safe and use your
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precaution and uh use this time to
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really thank God for um what he has done
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you know I know a lot of people are
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saying that 2020 was one of the worst
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years ever but I do believe that all
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things work together for good for those
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who who love God and have been called
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according to his purpose so I bet you a
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lot more people have grown like their
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character has grown more uh through the
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pandemic and there been a lot of uh
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inside work and you know we've been
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exposed and I think to some extent and
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not taking I don't want to be offensive
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but some some people have lost their
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lives but I I believe that God has used
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this for um his purposes because he is
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always Sovereign so he knew this was
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going to come to pass so he's used it
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and to glorify himself one way or
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another you know and and um again I
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don't want to be offensive cuz I know
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that for some people it was a tough time
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because they've lost um loved ones so
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either way God is still glorified even
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through our pain and even through the
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hardest thing that we go through now um
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a few days ago I was on um YouTube and
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um if you see the on my screen uh the
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title of today's study is why did Jesus
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pray to be saved if he is God so I came
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across a a YouTube video a few days ago
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and basically um the man claimed that if
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Jesus was God how come he prayed to be
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saved by God basically he refer to
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Hebrews 5:7 and and he was boasting
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about how he was trapping Christian uh
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with Discretions a lot and he was very
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proud of his achievement it seems but
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the interesting thing about that is like
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he's not the first one in history to ask
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this question a messenger of from God
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himself asked a similar question John
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the Baptist and I'll show you where um
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John the Baptist did that in Matthew 3:
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13-1 17 then Jesus Came From Galilee to
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the Jordan to the Jordan to John to be
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baptized by John and John would have
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prevented him saying I need to be
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baptized by you and do you come to me
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but Jesus answered him let it be so now
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for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill
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all righteousness then John consented so
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this is not the first question this is
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this is not the first time someone asked
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Jesus how come are you God and you're
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asking to be baptized so basically this
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is the same thing that is taking place
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in Hebrews 5:7 when the scriptures say
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that um in the days of his flesh Jesus
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offered our prayers with loud CRI and
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tears to him who was able to save him
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from death and he was heard because of
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his reverence for God so how do we
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reconcile it how can can God and Jesus
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be God and prayed to be saved by God so
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we are going to analyze it today and we
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are going to go through a lot of uh
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scriptures I have to admit that this is
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by far the hardest um study I've ever
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had to do because I feel inadequate for
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this task and I'm praying that as I
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speak about this thing that the Holy
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Spirit himself will Enlighten you to
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understand what is taking place so let's
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jump into this so first we need to
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understand God's requirement okay uh if
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you know the of God for all
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mankind uh you have to understand that
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this is the at the outset we have to set
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that up in Deuteronomy 6:5 the the
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scripture says you shall love the Lord
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your God with all your heart with all
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your soul and with all your might and
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it's important that we understand that
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because what God demands from us is
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total devotion 24/7 basically every
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thought of yours and every thought of
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mine must reflect uh the character of
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God there can't be one nanc in our lives
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where we don't think about God first
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failure to do so we result in Cosmic
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treason which means we are to suffer
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capital punishment and this is what God
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requires of all these creatures a
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loyalty to the core of our being so now
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I want you to ask yourself a question
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really pause for a second and ask
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yourself when was the last time you
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loved the Lord your God with with all
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your heart with all your soul and with
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all your might when was the last time
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you did that now if you haven't done
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that in the last 20 seconds that
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automatically means that you are to be
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executed because you've transgressed the
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law of God by violating the very first
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commandment so basically you understand
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that all humanity is doomed because once
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separated from God there is no Bridging
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the Gap because the transgression is
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equal to death not only physical but
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also spiritual which means you are
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eternally separated from God basically
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you have no hope whatsoever unless God
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extends his Mercy to you now but God is
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also a just God which means he must
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punish Sinners so for God to be God he
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must punish sin and failure to do so
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will mean that there is a flaw in the
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character of God so consequently
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somebody else has to pay for your sin
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because you can't pay for your own sins
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and the provision God has made to atone
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for your sins basically to make uh your
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your enity against him nullified is is
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through Jesus Christ the perfect
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sacrifice so Jesus Christ is the one
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that atones for your sins he is the
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propitiation for your sins he's the
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experation for your sins so there's an
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exchange that takes place and now we're
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going to talk why Jesus that's important
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to understand again remember what I want
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to show today is why did Jesus pray that
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prayer why did he pray to be saved by
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God so we need to understand that but
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before I get into it I need to show you
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some of the background stuff first so
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let's go to the next why Jesus it's
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important to understand and the first
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thing is why not Jesus do you have any
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other alternative that's all we have you
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don't have any other alternative because
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you are already separated from God and
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is impossible to bridge the gap because
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by Nature you are a sinner and sin
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separate you from God so why Jesus
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because he is the only perfect human
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that ever existed okay perfect human he
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is God also but he's the perfect human
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again we want to talk about the Dual
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nature of of Jesus the divine nature and
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his human nature so talking about his
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Humanity he's the perfect human that
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ever existed because uh he was born by
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the power of God and the Virgin birth is
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important because Jesus was the only man
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after the fall of Adam and Eve that
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wasn't born for humans decisions
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basically Jesus didn't come into this
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world because Mary and Joseph were
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intimate now scripture says Mary was
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overshadowed by the holy spirit so Jesus
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is the perfect Son of God because he was
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in the beginning okay so by Nature Jesus
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is perfect and because he doesn't have
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the adamic nature he doesn't have the
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fall he is not born a sinner like us and
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why is that important because every
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other human that came into this world
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after the fall is DOA basically Dead on
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Arrival basically you come out of your
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mother's womb hating God shaking your
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fist at God and you are rebellious by
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Nature so why Jesus now we're going to
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go to
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scriptures again follow my train here so
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first we're going to look at uh Isaiah
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53 Hebrews 1:8-9 Hebrew 2: 10-1 and then
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we're going to make some
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connections so first let's look at
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Isaiah 53 scripture says who has
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believed what he has heard from us and
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to whom has the arm of the Lord been
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revealed for he grew up before him like
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a young plant and like a root out of the
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dry ground he had no form of majesty
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that we should look at him and no beauty
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that we should desire him he was
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despised and rejected by man A Man of
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Sorrows and acquainted with grief and as
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one from from whom men hide their faces
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he was despised and we esteemed him not
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surely he has borne our griefs and
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carried our sorrows yet we esteemed him
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stricken Smitten by God and Afflicted
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but he was pierced for our
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transgressions he was crushed for our
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iniquities and upon him was the
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chastisement that brought us
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peace okay upon him was the chastisement
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that brought us peace and with his
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wounds we are healed remember I said
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somebody else had to brid the Gap and
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Jesus by the scripture says he was
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crushed for our transgressions and he
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was crushed for our iniquities and upon
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him was the chastisement that brought us
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peace all we like sheep have gone astray
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you hear that all we like sheep have
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gone astray we have turned everyone to
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his own way remember what the Bible says
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love the Lord your God with all your
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heart all your soul and all your might
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and the scripture also says man does not
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live by bread alone but man lives by
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every word that proceed from the mouth
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of God and the scripture also says
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whatever is not of faith is sin and the
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scripture says here in Isaiah 53:6 we
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have turned everyone to his own
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way that means we haven't done what God
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has required of us we've done our own
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thing and the lord has laid on him on
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who on Jesus the iniquity of us all he
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was oppressed and he was afflicted yet
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he opened not his mouth like a lamb that
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is led to the slaughter and like a sheep
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that before its shearers is silent so he
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opened not his mouth by oppression and
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judgment he was taken away and as for
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his generation who considered that he
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was cut off out of the land of the
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living streaking for the transgression
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of my people and and they made his grave
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with the wicked and with a rich man in
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his death although he done he had done
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no violence and there was no deceit in
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its mouth in his mouth yet listen to
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this yet in verse 10 scripture says it
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was the will of the Lord to crush him he
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has put him to grief when his soul makes
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an offering for
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Guilt you hear that yet he was the will
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will of the Lord to crush him he has put
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him to grief when his soul makes an
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offering for Guilt he shall see his
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offspring he shall prolong his days the
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will of the Lord shall prosper in his
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hand and look at verse 11 out of the
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anguish of his soul he shall see and be
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satisfied by his knowledge shall the
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righteous one my servant make many to be
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accounted
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righteous you hear it and he shall bear
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their
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iniquities therefore I will divide him a
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portion with the many and he shall
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divide the spoil with the strong because
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he poured out his soul to death and was
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numbered with the transgressors yet he
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bore the sin of many and makes
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intercession for the
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transgressors why Jesus that's all we
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have because he is the only righteous
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one that interceded for us and that make
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an atonement for our sins I'm going to
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continue here I'm going to go to Hebrews
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1 ver 8
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to9 scripture says of the son your
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throne oh God is forever and ever the
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scepter of uprightness is the scepter of
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your kingdom you have loved
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righteousness and hated W wickedness
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therefore God your God has anointed you
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with the oil of gladness beyond your
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companions so the scripture God himself
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is calling Jesus God your throne oh God
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is forever so you understand that he is
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God okay I'm going to go to Hebrews 10
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verse Hebrews 2:
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10-1 for it was fitting that he for whom
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and by whom all things exist that is
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Jesus in bringing many sons to Glory
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should make the founder of their
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salvation perfect through suffering for
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he was sanctifies and those who are
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Sanctified are have all one source that
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is why he's not ashamed to call them
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brothers I'll read that again for it was
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fitting that he for whom and by whom all
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things exist in bringing many sons to
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Glory should make the founder of their
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salvation perfect through suffering you
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will understand what that mean in in the
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next verses for He Who sanctifies and
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those who are Sanctified all have one
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source and that is why it's not ashamed
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to call them brother
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I told you that I wanted to show you why
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this is important right now if you look
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at Hebrews 2:14-17 the scripture says
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since therefore the children share in
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Flesh and Blood meaning since we are
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humans he himself likewise partook of
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the same things meaning he also became a
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human that through death he might
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destroy the one who has the power of
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death that is the devil and deliver all
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those who through their fear of death
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were subject to lifelong slavery for
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surely it is not angels that he helps
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but he helps The Offspring of Abraham
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therefore he had to be made like his
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brothers in every respect so that he
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might become a merciful and faithful
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high priest in the service of God to
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make propitiation for the sins of the
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people for because he himself has
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suffered when he tempt when he was
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tempted he is able to help those who are
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being tempted so do you see what
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happened why because Jesus had to be
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made like us in order to be made a
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faithful and merciful high priest he had
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to become like us he had to identify
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with us with in every
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respect so he didn't just want to pop in
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history and die for our sins and go no
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it was the will of the Lord to have him
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be like us like a baby then he grew up
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just like us so that he can identify
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with our human nature to truly
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understand what it means because he we
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need to be saved we have the fear of
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death so Jesus had to become like
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us and then in the process he identified
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with our our nature he suffered he was
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tempted yet without sin so he's able to
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help us because he had compassion
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because he was like us because he came
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as a human the world became the world
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became flesh scripture says so he had to
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be like
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us let's keep
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going Hebrews 4:14 to16 since then we
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have a great high priest who has passed
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through the heavens Jesus the son of God
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let us hold fast our confession for we
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do not have a high priest who is unable
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to sympathize with our weaknesses but
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one who in every respect has been
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tempted as we are yet without sin let us
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then with confidence draw near to the
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throne of grace that we may receive
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mercy and Grace to help in time of need
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you see that again now let's go to
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Hebrews 5: 7-9 in the days of his flesh
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Jesus offered up prayers and
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supplications with loud cries and tears
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to him was able to save him from death
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and he was heard because of his
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reverence although he was a son he
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learned obedience through what he
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suffered and obedience is really
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listening and doing the will of God and
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being made perfect he became the source
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of Eternal salvation to all who obey him
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being designated by God a high is after
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the order of melis EDC okay I'm going to
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explain that in a second here now
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scripture says in Hebrews 7 the former
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priests were many in number because they
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were prevented by Death from continuing
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in office but he hold his pries hold
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permanently because he continues forever
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consequently he's able to save to the
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uttermost those who draw near to God
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through him since he always leaves to
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make intercession for them for it was
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indeed fitting that we should have such
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a high priest holy innocent unstained
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separated from Sinners and exalted above
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the heavens he has no need like those
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high priest to offer sacrifices daily
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first for his own sins and then for
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those of the people since he did this
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once and for all when he offered up
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himself for the law appoints men in
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their weakness as high priest but the
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word of the oath which came later than
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the law appoint a son who has been made
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perfect forever okay so and then we need
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to know what did God say about Jesus we
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got to look at Matthew 3:17 Matthew 17:5
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Mark 9:7 and then I'm going to make my
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conclusion okay keep following with with
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me in Matthew 3:17 we read and behold a
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voice from Heaven said this is my
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beloved Son with whom I am well
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pleased pay attention to those words now
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Matthew 17:5 he was still speaking when
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Behold a bright Cloud overshadow them
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and a voice from the cloud said this is
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my beloved Son with whom I am well
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pleased listen to him and in Mark 9:7
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the scripture said and a cloud
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overshadowed them and a voice came out
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of the cloud this is my beloved Son
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listen to him again this is Matthew
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talking and now Mark also mentions the
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same event so we need to pay attention
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to that there is nobody else to whom
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this type of affirmation is made in the
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history of the world God is well pleased
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with Jesus his son now the question that
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we have is this the question is how come
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Jesus didn't just appear instantly die
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and make atonement for our sins now I
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told you I was going to now give you
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some kind of a conclusion okay and the
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simple answer the simple answer is this
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because it wasn't the will of the
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godhead because that's not what God
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wanted to do but the more suitable
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answer is this it was necessary for
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Jesus to identify with us in every
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respect so that he could be a merciful
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high priest he had to be made like
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not like an angel because it's not
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angels that he helps or he intercedes he
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he doesn't intercede for Angels but for
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mankind so for Jesus to truly be our
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savior the God man had to be added to
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the god head that existed for all
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eternity and the second person of the
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Trinity God the son was appointed for
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this task so his willingness to
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completely rely on his father to save
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him actually shows the truthfulness of
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his human nature he did nothing as the
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will of God and to understand this I'm
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going to go to Philippians 2 and I'm
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going to show you another scripture here
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so let's go to Philippians 2:4 to1 this
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is a one of the most important verse
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that as a Believer you need to
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know now the scripture say Let each of
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you look not only to his own interest
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but also to the interest of others have
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this mind among yourselves which is
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yours in Christ Jesus who though he was
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in the form of God did not count
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equality with God a thing to be grasped
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okay that shows that Jesus is God but
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emptied himself by taking the form of a
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servant being born in the likeness of
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man and being found in human form he
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humbled himself by becoming obedient to
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the point of death even death on the
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cross therefore God has highly exalted
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him and bestowed on him the name that is
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above every name so that at the name of
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Jesus every n should bow in heaven and
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on Earth and under the Earth and every
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tongue confess that Jesus Christ is the
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Lord the glory of God to the glory of
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God the Father Again Jesus did not lose
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his divinity or his divine nature when
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he became a man but the divine nature
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was attached to the human nature okay
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I'm going to explain some things here so
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he was fully God and fully man he could
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at any time use his divine power he
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didn't lose his deity when he became a
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human but he willingly submitted commed
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himself to the will of the father in
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every one of his decision as God the man
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I'll read that again he willingly
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submitted himself to the will of the
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father in every one of his decision as
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God the man he lived the exemplary life
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that God required the life that no human
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in the history of the world has been
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able to live just for a second I just
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want you to imagine if you had the power
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to do whatever you wanted what would you
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do with that
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power now Jesus was always God yeah he
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relied solely on his father to sustain
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him as God the man remember Satan asked
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him if you're the Son of God turn these
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stones into bread Jesus could have done
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it but what did Jesus say to him man
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does not live by bread alone but by
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every word that proceeds from the mouth
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of God so he submitted himself to the
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will of his father he did not lose his
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power or his his
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deity God was
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God the divine nature was still attached
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and perfectly United to the human nature
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okay and this is why the scripture says
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in Hebrews 5:7 in the days of his flesh
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Jesus offered up prayers and
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supplications with loud cries and tears
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to him who was able to save him from
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death and he was heard because of his
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reverence Jesus did not think equality
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with God was a thing to be grasped he
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was equal with
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God yet as God Dem man he submitted
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willingly to his father he did not lose
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his D so when people say well how can he
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be God and has to be saved by God
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because that is his human nature that's
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his touching his human nature in a
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second I'm going to show you a graphic a
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visual to explain this better again I
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told you this was probably the hardest
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one I had to do and I'm even struggling
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here to explain these things but I hope
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that in the next visual this will make
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more sense to you okay let's go to that
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visual the thing is the important point
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we have to make uh to to to be able to
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make distinction between the divine
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nature and the human nature of Jesus so
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and this is why this visual that I'm
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going to show you is very important
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which let's go to it now
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so so the Triune God exist in three
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persons right God the Father God the son
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and God the holy spirit so for all
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eternity the
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godhead has always been because God
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doesn't have a beginning or an end he
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always is
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because he is the reason for our being
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so in him we live and move our being so
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God exists eternally and in three
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persons God the Father God the son and
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God the Holy Spirit now I use this
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equilateral triangle with three equal
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sides and this is probably not the most
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accurate description of the Trinity but
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in our limited human capabilities I
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still feel like this is important for us
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to understand and I I really thought
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about I'm like Lord I don't want to do
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anything cuz I don't want to be a
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herotic I don't want to promote
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something that is not true but this is
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to the best of my ability again I leaned
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on this from do Dr Norman and guer who
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passed away and and this is I feel like
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one of the best ways to to explain the
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Trinity so God exists in three persons
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the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
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okay but then what happened when the
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word became flesh according to John 1:1
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scripture says in the beginning was the
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word and the Word was with God and the
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Word was God okay it was in the
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beginning with God God the son and then
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the scripture says that the the the the
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word became flesh and made its dwelling
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Among Us
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meaning God the son became a human so
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this is what happened again I'm going to
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show you this visual the word became
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flesh so the human was added to the
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triun god that's what kind of happen now
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there's perfect Unity between God Divine
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and the and uh the human nature so the
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human nature was added this is what
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happened when the scripture say the the
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word became flesh and then now that you
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understand this I'm going to explain
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some things in the next um in my next um
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presentation
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here
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so now that you've seen this this is
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pretty much like I said an equilateral
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triangle and I represent the Triune God
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who existed for all eternity in three
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persons God the Father God the son and
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God the Holy Spirit then the word became
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flesh meaning the humanity was added and
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attached to the godhe so when the Bible
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says that Jesus
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wept those are not like Divine tears
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those are man tears this is touching his
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Humanity when Jesus told his disciples
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that he didn't know the date and the
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time the father appointed for his return
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it isn't like all of a sudden Jesus lost
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his omniscience no that's not what
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happened but touching his Humanity he
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didn't know we must learn to make
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distinction between the divine nature
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and the human nature when Jesus died on
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the cross the divine nature was still
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attached and United to the dead corpse
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in the sense that God cannot die so what
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we saw on the cross was God the man died
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again we must learn to make distinction
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between the divine nature and the human
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nature so when scripture says
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that um he prayed to be saved by
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God it's not like Jesus stopped being
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God the divine nature is is united with
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a man nature and Jesus is the perfect
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man he needs praying because as a man
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and as a human he is fully reliant on
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the Triune God for his sustenance so I
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hope this kind of makes sense to you
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again it was very hard for me to explain
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this but my question to you is this
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Jesus Is God but as Believers we must
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learn to make distinctions between the
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human nature and the divine nature of
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Jesus okay so he did he never lost his
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deity he was always God because he even
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said to to to the Pharisees before
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Abraham was I am and they wanted to kill
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him so God in Jesus never lost his
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deity but you you have to learn to make
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distinction between the humanity and the
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divine nature so that's what I wanted to
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say for this so don't panic when people
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say things like this because I don't
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think they even understand and Jesus
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like I said had to be fully uh human to
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identif with our nature to identify with
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who we are so he could be the perfect
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high priest to atone for our sins
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hopefully this makes sense to you and if
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you have any questions and want to talk
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about this let's let's do that and and
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you have my I'll give you my email it's
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TS yahoo.com or you can call me on the
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phone 24 4811 1672 again thanks for
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watching and I'll see you next time and
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Happy Thanksgiving again
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