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"So if he said Jupiter had exploded, you would believe him?"
Lewis Goodall hears from Reform devotee John about trust in politics.
In a wide-ranging call, John sets out the strength of his faith in Nigel Farage and explains why he would trust him over other politicians.
Also touching on DEI, Brexit, and potential Tory defectors, Lewis tries to grasp the underlying logic and philosophy behind John's belief.
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0:00
And when did you join Reform, John
0:02
Oh, a year ago. Right. And what made you do that? Because I like Nigel Farage and I like their policies
0:09
And what in particular? Which policies do you like? All of them. Like that debate you had with Zia Yusuf
0:16
I'll explain why. Go on. That debate you just said, it was a great debate. I really enjoyed it. Good
0:22
But I would believe him rather than you. OK. And I'll tell you why
0:26
I'll tell you why. This is the problem that the two main parties have got
0:31
Yeah. Trust. Trust has headed off into the sunset. It's gone. It's gone
0:41
Please believe me. I don't disbelieve you, John, but then why do you trust Farage and what Zia Yusuf was saying
0:47
Because, honestly, I mean, you can believe him if you like, and that's entirely your prerogative
0:51
but I am telling you as a matter of objective facts, we don't spend £7 billion on DEI
0:57
We just don't. Like, we just don't. You say we don't. Well, it's objectively..
1:05
It's a problem, isn't it? When people don't trust you and they trust them, they're going to lean to them
1:10
OK, so if Zia Yusuf said that Jupiter had exploded, you would believe him
1:14
But it hasn't. You know, like, objective fact doesn't matter, though, John
1:18
You said the sun was going to shine tomorrow. So you wouldn't..
1:22
If the form said it would, I'd trust them. So you... Sorry, so let me get this straight
1:25
So, let me just focus on that for a second. So, if Keir Starmer gets up and says the sun is going to rise tomorrow, you won't believe him
1:34
No. Even though the sun has risen every day for the past millions of years Yes I say there something dodgy about that But look take Robert Jenrick for example I don know where to go with that John I have to say
1:46
Take Robert Jenrick, for example. Listen to him now. He speaks reform
1:51
Everything he says, you'd think reform voters would go, yeah, go on, Robert
1:56
You're fantastic. We're going to be voting for you. Do you know what we say
2:01
We say, Robert, if you truly believe that, If you really believe in your heart what you're saying, leave and come and join reform
2:10
Otherwise, jog on. We don't trust you. We don't believe you. And we're not going to vote for you
2:16
I understand that trust has declined in politics. I understand it's declined in the media
2:20
But you would accept, wouldn't you? Let's just try and get to the sort of basics of this. Objective facts do exist
2:26
Facts exist, right? You accept that. Of course they do. In which case, why would you outsource all of your critical faculties to one man and one party and say, well, I would believe anything that he and they say and never believe what someone else says at any time
2:42
Why would you do that? Because I've told you. But that's illogical
2:47
It's called trust. But that's religious. I mean, that's, John, that's almost, that's religious. That's religious. I mean, that's like saying I only trust one church
2:56
Lewis, it's such a small word, but it means so much. We don't like being held in contempt by these politicians
3:06
We're not going to stand for it, and they're all going to go. We're going to drain the swamp
3:11
Nigel Farage will be the next Prime Minister, I promise you. I'm not saying that you're wrong, John
3:16
I just trying to understand why it is that as a matter of a blanket policy you would say that one man must be right about everything and no other man or woman can ever be right about anything
3:30
That's just crazy. I didn't say no other. I just said I would trust them over them
3:37
So you're saying that you would... So is it a matter of trust or is it a matter of saying
3:42
that those people can never be right? it's a matter of believing who really has your best interest at heart even if it's a matter of
3:51
but so even you wouldn't care if it turned out let's just just just humor me here and say i am
3:58
right about dei which i am but just just humor me like you're not well okay well let's just humor
4:03
me for the sake of argument let's just imagine that i am and it turned out that for whatever
4:06
reason for political reasons faraj and yusuf and so on have were wrong about it maybe they believed
4:12
it but they were wrong. It wouldn't bother you that they'd come along and said we can save 7 billion
4:16
and it turns out we can only save 27 million? No, I think they'll save more
4:20
than 27 million. But how can they when we don't spend more than that
4:24
That's what you say. But John, it's not just what I say. It's just a matter of fact. That is what the central government
4:30
spends on it. Well, that's a matter of fact. 7 billion is a huge amount of money. I mean, that's
4:36
like kind of 20% of the defence budget. You really think we spend that on DEI
4:39
No, I think we spend more than that, and I think it'd be better spent on giving our pensioners a heating allowance and things like that
4:49
And can I just say, DDI, yeah, we've got a fantastic candidate elected in Runcorn
4:56
Absolutely first class incredibly good candidate Not because she was a woman or because she was black or because she was white because she was the best person for the job
5:08
Yeah, okay. And that's exactly how it should be. Nigel Farage, of course, John
5:13
famously, Nigel Farage, the thing that Farage is most associated with, and not reform, but UKIP
5:17
and then the Brexit party most associated with, were Brexit. Do you think that Farage was right
5:21
about everything with regards to Brexit? Absolutely. Everything? Oh, yeah. It was suffocating
5:30
Well, how's the economy doing then? I mean, we were promised that we'd get all these trade deals
5:35
and we'd be able to sort of revolutionise the economy and the economy would grow gangbusters
5:39
I mean, what happened to all that? He wasn't right about that, was he? Yes, he was
5:44
Lewis, we've never had a truly Brexit government. But just wait and see
5:49
What would we have had? You're going to love it, Lewis. John, well, maybe I will
5:54
But, John, what would, just fine, because I've got to go to the news. If we'd had a Brexit government, you said we'd never had a Brexit government
6:00
even other than Boris Johnson, what would they have done? How would Brexit have been different
6:05
How would it have been different? How? Well, I can't believe you just mentioned Boris Johnson
6:09
the man who we elected to stop illegal immigration and cut legal immigration
6:14
who tripled it. But I'm just asking, structurally speaking, how would Brexit have been different
6:20
It will be different. But how would it have been different? We haven't seen anything yet. But how? How? How will it be different? How? What will we do differently
6:26
All I can say to you is wait until Nigel and Richard and the men and the women of reform are in Downing Street and you will see just how different it will be
6:36
But can you just name just one way in which Brexit will be different, John? Many ways
6:43
OK
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