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Chancellor Rachel Reeves was seen by MPs having an ‘animated exchange’ with Speaker Lindsay Hoyle not long before she was seen crying during PMQs.
The Treasury says the Chancellor was dealing with a "personal matter" but would not release any further details. The Speaker's office declined to comment.
Ms Reeves shed tears during PMQs today after Sir Keir Starmer declined to guarantee she would remain in place until the election - as concerns were voiced over the Chancellor's upset appearance in the Commons.
While Sir Keir Starmer has defended his welfare reforms saying they will be "better for individuals, better for the taxpayer, and better for the economy,” the chancellor could be seen behind him bearing a grim expression.
She wiped away tears after Kemi Badenoch asked whether Ms Reeves would still be in post at the next election.
00:00 - Shelagh Fogarty recounts the events of PMQs
00:53 - Caller Peter says Badenoch should publicly apologise
03:21- Caller Robert reflects on Theresa May's tearful exit
06:19 - Rachel Reeves is a human being and should be respected
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0:00
Let me bring you up to speed on a particular thing that happened in the House of Commons today during Prime Minister's questions
0:06
As you would have expected, Kimmy Baden-Ock challenged the Prime Minister and goaded the Prime Minister over what happened in the Commons yesterday with his welfare bill
0:16
But alongside him or behind him when he was standing at the dispatch box the entire time
0:21
the Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, appeared to either be in tears at certain points or to have been in tears
0:28
and she looked very downtrodden and upset. Naturally, seeing that, a lot of speculation started to fly around
0:36
as to whether she had already been sacked, had resigned, or was feeling the heat
0:42
or something specific had been said to her. And there has been some clarification on that
0:47
from her own spokesperson who said she was upset. Yes, indeed, she was. You could see it
0:51
But it was a personal matter. Peter's called from Bexty. We're having a conversation, Peter
0:56
about what both Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer should have learnt this week
1:01
What do you think? Well, the reason I rang was about Kemi Badenoch
1:11
Her comments in the Commons. Using Rachel Reeves, the unwise decision of Kemi Badenoch
1:19
to use the tearful and distressed state of Rachel Reeves as part of her attack on Keir Starmer
1:28
I think the inference there was that the strain of carrying forward Labour's policies
1:35
the financial side of them, and her possible insecurity in their position
1:41
was causing her to be tearful, to be distressed. And I think, really, some people don't learn ever that appearances can be deceptive
1:54
and I think she was very unwise to do it and if it turns out that it is a personal reason
2:02
as she decided to make this sort of comments in public on Prime Minister's Question Time
2:12
I think she should apologise at the next Prime Minister's Question Time
2:17
I don't really like people who criticise in public and apologise in private
2:25
I think that's cowardice and it's hypocrisy. That's the point I was trying to make
2:30
I think you've mostly covered this point anyway, especially with Rachel Maskell
2:37
But that was my view of what happened. I was listening at the time
2:42
And I thought then that's very silly of you, Kemi. Just find out first what's going on
2:47
Yeah, you don't point your finger at a crime person, do you? No, no, you don't
2:52
And well we see I mean obviously we don really know the full facts yet Maybe they will come out maybe they won come out But as I say if it does turn out that it was a personal reason that she was so fragile then kemi badenok owes her an apology yeah at the next prime minister
3:13
question time but that's all the point i wanted to make no and it's i think i agree with you peter
3:17
it's a strong point and a human point thank you very much peter in bexley robert has called from
3:22
east grinstead hello robert hi i just hello sheila good afternoon i'd just like to remind you
3:28
Well, you know this as well, but some of the listeners, that our prime minister who was crying in 2019, the reasons why she was doing that are fully known because she was undermined at every turn by Sir Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson from both angles
3:45
So she left in a real mess, not surprisingly. My best wishes to her today
3:50
I think what Sir Keir Starmer should learn today is he has been elected
3:57
he's got a big majority in parliament but it is by the lowest electoral turnout for 100 years
4:06
so my message to Sir Keir is and I always admire these people for doing what they do
4:12
for putting them out there to begin with is just get in touch with real life
4:17
one way to get more money off people is allow people to become wealthy you know keep the same
4:24
percentage of tax don't increase it at all but just allow people to become wealthy stop harassing
4:31
them by sort of tax grabs and what have we got now 90 pound fine for going through a public road
4:38
the blackwall tunnel if you accidentally don't pay it it's relentless yeah it feels it it feels
4:46
it but do you do you think that the lesson they should have learned this week is about policy or
4:52
tone with their own mps i i think it's about um policy and i i will neither i think that the
5:01
kenny badenock as well you know sakir starmer needs to look at our recent history i i think
5:10
that you know you've got to just square up to reality uh i know it's a subject that you don't
5:16
like going to even i don't like going to but i uh since the end of the lockdowns for instance
5:21
instance you know when it fully was back to you bring everything down to the lockdowns
5:26
sorry yeah well you bring everything down to the lockdowns well it was a time where publicly
5:32
everyone acted pretty abnormally you know and i've never been able to get a straight reading or
5:39
answer from British Gas for existence since spring 2022. I've visited their offices twice
5:46
politely. I think Keir Starmer should look at the energy companies. I know prices have come down
5:51
recently, it was reported. He really needs to look at the energy companies. He needs to sort of
5:56
tell people to have some, he needs to tell his own government to have some responsibility
6:02
about the dinghies coming in every day which is appalling There no respect for borders here at all and i just think that he may the state needs to back off people and just give them a little bit of breathing room
6:17
Okay, thanks very much, Robert. Robert in East Grinstead. How do you feel about all of these events today
6:21
and yesterday in the Commons and just overall in this first year? Look, I certainly don't want to put somebody down
6:27
who is obviously visibly upset at the moment. So I hope that it's nothing personal
6:32
and I hope that she's okay. Nothing too serious, yeah. Yeah, she's a human being, and we've got to respect that
6:38
And I just feel that in this past year, I feel exactly the same how I felt a year ago
6:43
and that's that this government really do not have a plan, and they don't really have a direction
6:48
and they chop and change constantly. And I don't know where our prime minister stands
6:54
with pretty much anything that he talks about, even down to the Middle East
6:58
I don't know if he's a friend of Israel. I don't know if he's against them. I don't know how he feels about the old age pensioners
7:03
I don't know anything about his direction. And you know what? We run a business
7:08
We sell crepes very near your offices. And every single day I get somebody coming and say
7:13
why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? And I say, because we sell crepes
7:17
That's our business. We sell crepes. So I'm not going to start selling hot dogs because we sell crepes
7:21
So we've got a direction and we've got a plan and we have to stick to it. You've got an identity
7:26
Exactly. It's a business. LBC, you don't talk about sport. There's a reason for that
7:31
Well, we do sometimes, but we don't. Yeah, but the point is we're not five lives, is what you're saying, isn't it
7:36
No, exactly. And with this government, what are they? Who are they
7:41
What do they stand for? What are their values? What's their plan? With the previous Conservative government
7:46
whether you liked the fact of sending people to round or not
7:50
it was a plan. And guess what? It was actually working because we had far less numbers coming over
7:55
with the threat of that happening. But these people come along, they get rid of that
8:00
they come up with this amazing plan where they're going to spend God knows how much on border falls
8:05
and what's it done? It's done absolutely nothing. So when they're going to do a U-turn on that
8:09
because they will, you know they will. They have to. And it's everything they do
8:13
They just change their mind every five minutes. You cannot please everybody all of the time
8:17
Did you vote for them out of interest? No, because I didn't think that the..
8:22
Did you feel like you couldn't get a hold of them, if you see what I mean? You couldn't get a sense of what they were about
8:26
I spoke to Sir Keir Starmer on this channel with Nick Ferrari when it was called
8:36
And I spoke to him. Called Kia, it was called, wasn't it? Yeah, and I put the phone down from him
8:41
and I thought to myself, what a lovely man. I'm sure he's a lovely, lovely man
8:46
even though he supports Arsenal. I won't hold that against him. But I put the phone down and I thought
8:51
I asked him a question about how you're going to reduce the amount of re-offending, right
8:57
I thought it was quite a sensible question to ask him. bearing in mind he used to work for the cps and he said to me oh we're going to start with the
9:04
nursery school we're going to start changing the mindset of kids at nursery school and i thought
9:09
what are you talking about we got a problem in the here and now and you talking about trying to change the way kids are that the job of the parents not not the school teachers well i i take your point about the
9:21
non-sequitur that was in your conversation with him but i think actually how you the the scene you
9:26
set for young for families when kids are young is an important one and and is partly a government job
9:31
you know partly yeah oh god it's of course his parents but but you know i i often bore people
9:37
with this my own experience as a kid we were not a wealthy family dad was a builder mum worked from
9:44
the home looking after us seven of us never rich never wealthy um but we are all able to go to good
9:51
schools great parks around the corner from where we lived um good swimming pools and sports grounds
9:56
to use when we were kids to have you know to get involved in stuff cinemas to go to in walking
10:01
distance of our home what am i missing out good health service to you know to be looked after when
10:06
we were sick you name it it was there uh you know stuff that we could use summer school um schemes
10:11
that we could go to in the summer holidays that were free the the state set the scene so that my
10:17
parents could be the parents that they were of course see what i mean yeah i do see it's it's a
10:23
it's a two-pronged approach really yeah you're right but all i know is this country as we as i
10:29
look at this country now and i work in central london every single day and i just see a mess
10:35
and I see things getting worse and I hate seeing it. I can't bear the racism on the street
10:40
I can't stand it. Every Saturday, I'm seeing terrible divide. I have this horrible fear that we're going to see clashes very soon
10:48
between almost white and brown. And I think to myself, this isn't the country that I grew up in
10:53
This isn't what I want to see. And the government has to take responsibility
10:57
and they've got to make a stand, they've got to be vocal and they've got to actually do things to make changes
11:04
not just talk about it. And when I ask this question, I don't mean personality as in, you know, Saturday night showbiz personality
11:10
Do you think the government, and I'm not talking about the individual's personalities either
11:15
do you think this government lacks a personality, if you see what I mean? There isn't a personality. There isn't a personality in this government
11:22
You know, I can't name more than two or three people in this government. But people like Boris Johnson, again, you can love him or hate him, but he was a character
11:32
and you do need those characters because you can i can identify with somebody like simon cowell
11:37
i know it sounds ridiculous but you can relate to somebody like that in a certain aspect what's
11:41
got to do with government he's not in government is he nothing but you just need that kind it
11:46
unfortunately or fortunately if you look at donald trump who i just think his moral values
11:52
make me feel sick most of the time but he's got such a huge personality he's clear to see isn't he
11:59
that's the thing that one of the things people love about him is is they look at him and they
12:04
think they think they might be right they might be wrong they think they know what they're seeing
12:08
they think they know what they're getting he's as close to authentic um as i think a politician
12:12
has got in quite a long time um you might not like what he is authentically but he shows it to you
12:18
thanks jason for your call jason in marley bone
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