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Lewis, why can't you put one up
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Why can't I put one up in my own home? Yeah, why not
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All these people, all you, Lineker, Mandelson, Cameron, all of these asses renting out, why don't you put one up
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Well... As soon as it ran it, there's a lot of people who want them in, who say, let them in, welcome, put them up
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and then we see the goodwill. Right, so Dal, so what you're saying is
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is that the choice that someone who is simply asking a question
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I haven't really said what I think about it, I'm just asking the question about where they're going to go. You're saying that the choice is
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is that either they are in my home or they're on the street
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Is that the policy outcome that you're really suggesting? Oh, yeah. Why don't you put them up
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You're all for them. All these people who say they're welcome. You're right. It's on me. You're right. It's on me
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You've got Cameron. You've got Cameron. He rents his house out up Notting Hill
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Why can't he let them in it? So, Del, so me thinking that, like, there shouldn't be..
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In an ideal world, there shouldn't be homelessness. It's therefore on me to take on all the homeless people in my own home, is it
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No, not the homeless people. Oh, well, there we go, but it's exactly the same principle. It's exactly the same principle
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It's not the same principle. I'm against something. Yes, it is. Okay, so let's say I think there should be an extra school in my street
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Is it incumbent upon me to run the school myself? Would you be capable of it
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Well, maybe. I don't know. But my point is, you're basically saying
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I'm talking the truth. I'm telling the truth. You're basically saying, I'm sorry, you're basically saying
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that if one person has a political view about something, if it's basically up to you to do it yourself
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if I want a hospital in my street, it up to me to get the hospital myself is it No no Lewis see look now you going away for it and you going with a different allergy an allergy to go take it all off don look you trying
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to make me look small. I'm not, I'm not. The fact of it is, the fact of it is
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you've got the likes of you, you've got the Linnecars of this world, you've got the
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Camerons, right? I believe that Linnecars did actually, I believe Linnecars actually took in a
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refugee, actually did take someone in, as a matter of fact. For how long? For how long? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
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You'd have to ask him. I think it was over a year. He's got six bedrooms. Yeah, he was. Six bedrooms
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Dal, all I'm saying, Dal, honestly, this is a really simple question, right? And let's be real here, right
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Let's be real. Let's be real. My question to you is, where do you think..
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Like, look, we can all agree that in an ideal world, these people would not be here. We can all agree with that
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We've got limited resources. It's really tough. It's really difficult, right? We can all agree that
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But the fact is, is that while they're being processed, they do have to have somewhere to go
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and my simple question to you is where you think they should go in a realistic way
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if it's not hotels and not my back bedroom back to where they come from
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you've got that one on TikTok it was in Germany put it on TikTok, he's over in two days
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they trace him in Germany he's got sacked from his job because he's lazy and next time he's sitting in a hotel here
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come off it now I hear what you're saying Dal but the difficulty is
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is that it's all very well saying about where they came from. But, for example, let's say someone comes from Afghanistan
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We don't have a returns agreement with that. No, but you can't just say that
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What do you mean? What do you mean? We can't just say that. We can't fly people in
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We can't fly people in. We don't have a returns agreement. What are you going to do
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Parachute them in? Airdrop them in? What are you going to do? Seriously, how do you take someone back to Afghanistan
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You take no more flights from Afghanistan They not coming in on flights They coming on boats No you don have no more dealings with them There are no direct flights from Kabul to London
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So that's gone. So let's say that. Look, they're not all Afghanistan
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You take it from me. No, they're not, but there's a huge number. Afghanistan is just an example, Del
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I'm just saying, when you don't have a returns agreement, it's all very well to say, just send them back
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That's very simple. They would do if they could. They can't. So my question to you is..
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Can I just say one thing, Lewis? Please do, please do, Dal. Can I give you one answer
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I'll give you one question to you. Tell me why they get asylum here from these countries, right
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And I know it, I work in the building, right? You tell me why they get asylum
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and as soon as they get asylum, I know extraterrestrials, right, who's gone back for six weeks' holiday
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Right, well, I mean... How can you be running away from all this
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and then they go back for holidays? You will accept, though, Dal, that there will be people who have genuine need of asylum
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I'll tell you how many of them are in genuine need of asylum. You'd be lucky to get one in 100
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On what basis do you say that, Dal? Yeah, Lewis, I'm a Londoner
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I've been round the place all my life, right? I work in the building, I see it
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I've got two eyes in my head, and I see it, and I hear things. I'm just saying..
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I hear things. If you heard it... All right, well, I hear things as well. I hear that there are people in genuine need of asylum
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Where does that get us? We can all say I hear things. Yes, I told you
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Look, look. Do you run off? Are you married, Lewis? I am, yes. Do you run off and leave the family at home and go and get on a boat and go somewhere
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run through about a dozen countries and go somewhere, put on a boat, and go over onto
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there Leave the white and kids at home It don matter Why would I do that Eh Well this is what they doing aren they Where the kids Where the women I don live in a country that in civil war yet at least
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Yeah, it's the ruination of this country. The ruination. I've seen it
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I'm just coming to the end of my time, right? I ain't got a long left
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I'm an old 66, right? Oh, don't say that, Dal. You've got plenty of time. 66, that's not an old man
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It's fact, right? and what's being left for the kids, I hold my breath
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I feel sorry for them. I look at them and I feel sorry for them
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Well, look, Dal. On that. All right, Dal. I'll say, see you later on, Lewis. All right, well, I appreciate your time, Dal
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and I appreciate the spirited and I hope respectful conversation on both sides. Dal there
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I still, look, I do understand why people are so annoyed. I do understand why people are annoyed
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I really do. And I think something has got to be done, clearly
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because it is undermining. It's not good for the genuine asylum seekers. And it's not good for the immigration system
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It's not good for people's sense of control. It's not good for people's sense of cohesion. So maybe we do have to think really radically about what we do
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but it doesn't to try and stop people coming. But, but, but, and I would be up to, you know what
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Like, and the windows moved in my own thinking on this. The ECHR, European Convention on Human Rights
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I think that we shouldn't withdraw from it unilaterally, but there are a lot of countries out there
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Maybe the asylum legal architecture does have to be reviewed. It was written in the 1940s
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Maybe it does need to be reviewed. Let's do that with other countries and change some of the legal framework around this
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That could be a perfectly good solution to this, or at least part of the thinking
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Totally up for that. But it does not change the fact that we need somewhere to put these people now, today, tomorrow, next week
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I still haven't really heard from anyone a satisfactory answer to that