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Wall Street Journal's got an exclusive. It's had sight of some card that Donald Trump apparently
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sent Jeffrey Epstein off for his 50th birthday. It was a bawdy birthday note, a card of a naked
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woman with Donald Trump's signature signed around her, I'm going to say, pubic area. Why not? And
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he's denied this hotly and is threatening to sue Rupert Murdoch, the owner and proprietor of the
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Wall Street Journal and many other papers for having printed this which kind of you know if
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you're going to sue for something it seems odd to pick on something so kind of trivial superficial
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but Chris Buckton is the US editor at the Mirror he's reported extensively on Jeffrey Epstein for
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nearly two decades and he joins us to discuss this development and also of course the um the
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hoo-ha around the MAGA base, around the release of the Epstein, sorry, the Epstein Grand Jury
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transcripts. Pam Bondi said they were going to be released. Now, they don't appear to be released
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What is on earth is going on? Chris, can we start with the card? Yeah, hi, Rachel. It's quite
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incredible, really. I think those who have followed the story for so long, there's very
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few surprises in terms of Donald and Jeffrey Epstein. There's many roads that lead back to
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but in terms of the card itself it's just the contents of the card and what trump said in terms
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of um denying that the card exists i mean obviously he's turned around and it's alleged that he's
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signed a card i think it's may every day be another wonderful secret um which which doesn't
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on the face of it sound like normal stuff that donald would write but equally um when you've
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got Ghislaine's hand in there as well. Ghislaine would have, I'm sure, helped him. But the denial
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is something else. Trump came out and said, I don't draw. And then obviously we've on air today
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the copious amounts of drawings he's done and sold off for auction as well. So he's undone himself
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with his own lies again. I mean, I don't want to grandstand here, but I asked the editor of the
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Wall Street Journal whether, hold on, let me just get to the actual text. I asked whether she had
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the card. No, I asked whether the scoop that there was this card with the naked woman and the note
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was it true And she says yes it is So the editor of the Wall Street Journal who is a close friend of mine is standing her ground She thinks it all genuine which raises the question why on earth would you sue over this Because it justification
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I think, to be honest, Rachel, we've known Donald now long enough over the last two decades
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specifically when he first came into power. And he's playing to his base in terms of his
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so in terms of saying that he's going to sue, I think, obviously, it will galvanise them once again
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and have more belief in that this is just, as he says, a hoax
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I'll be very, very surprised. In fact, I'll put my heart on it that you won't see any legal action
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from Donald Trump. You won't. He's just saying it. So in terms of the optics of this
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what he wants the message to go out is that he's suing because it's a terrible smear and he wasn't that close to Jeffrey Epstein, right
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He needs to do this, threaten legal action as a way of distancing self from a convicted paedophile who had apparently committed suicide in prison
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But now we move on to the Epstein files. There is a missing three minutes, two minutes and 53 seconds worth of the CCTV camera that was trained on his prison cell
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And so it just all gets murkier and murkier. And do we have any expectation that any of this is going to see the light of day
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Any actual files, any actual footage that has been presumably deleted? What do people now want to see
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I think on transparency, I think when you follow the story as closely as we have
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and you look at what evidence is out there, it's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of documentation
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You only have to look, for instance, when you look at Prince Andrew, and Prince Andrew was named on flight logs
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Well, those flight logs are a fraction of the flight logs that are available from Larry Viscosi, the pilot
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You know, you look at Dave Rogers, whose evidence and flight logs were entered into court documents under seal
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They've not been released and they will be contained within the Epstein files that apparently do not exist
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But Pam Bondi said they were on her desk and now they don't exist
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Pam Bondi's relationship with the whole with the entire Jeffrey Epstein case goes back
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you know, she was she was a Florida Attorney General from 2011 to 2019. So she knew intimately
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about the case She took over from Alexa Costa Now Alexa Costa was the Attorney General who did this unbelievable Plea bargain yeah Yeah it was unbelievable The FBI the feds particularly I mean I support the Miami police
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and the detectives who were on the case at the time. They were absolutely furious
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They had 30 victims, you know, who had given witness statements. They thought this guy was going away for life
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And then all of a sudden, Alan Dershowitz, the famed lawyer, and Alex Acosta had this sweetheart deal
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And what makes it worse is then Alicester Costa suddenly ends up as the Labour secretary under Trump's first term in office
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which there's many roads leading back to Jeffrey Epstein and Donald and their friendship dating back to the late 1980s, early 1990s
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Do the files exist? They must do. I mean, this guy went to prison
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He was there was extensive evidence from numerous victims. one woman only a woman Ghislaine Maxwell is currently serving time none of the men who
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could have been having sex with underage girls i.e rape have seen the inside of a court
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before we even get to the metadata will any of the people who consorted with Jeffrey Epstein ever
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be held accountable for what they did to the girls involved? Certainly not under the Trump administration
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What will be interesting is whether the Democrats are floundering, let's be honest, have not got a natural successor
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after Biden and Kamala Harris's election was. Whether that then becomes a campaigning point for the Democrats
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and saying we will now turn over, you know, we're in power. We've already seen the MAGA bases starting to crumble
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and that's a worry for Trump. This is the first time ever since 2016
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when he glided down the escalator that you've seen this base now turn on him
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I don't think it's going to end well at the moment. It just seems to be getting deeper and deeper
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in terms of the trouble that he's causing. In terms of the files, yeah, the files exist
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I mean, the FBI, they're tough to speak to, I'll be honest with you, but you get one or two bones thrown to you
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by the Southern District of New York and I was speaking to some guys there
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The files are literally thousands of pages long. Just an example, the famous Jeffrey Epstein Black Book is one of the files
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Now, let's be honest, let's park eyes on the tables, these 300 Brits have got their names in those documents
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But that online I seen that I seen that I mean it got everybody you I mean these people in those files we went to a lot of them at the time when it came out who had never even supported Donald Trump sorry Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine
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However, it's amazing what stuff enters up in the FBI's hands. Can we go to the missing metadata from the CCTV
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from the night Jeffrey Epstein apparently committed suicide? Remind us, who was president at the time of his death
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That was Donald J. Trump. It was Donald J. Trump. How sinister and significant is the fact that there's been ysis of the CCTV
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and it's established that there's a three-minute gap? I think that the biggest problem that the Trump administration has got
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are what they said prior to the release, in that they were going to be so transparent and want to give everything that they had
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And then all of a sudden these holes start appearing. As you mentioned, the minute's missing
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there's no explanation as to that they say that no one is seen
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going into the cell other than Jeffrey Epstein well let's see the full tapes and let the public
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make their own mind up but at the minute they're not being very transparent what I will say is that what I do find strange
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is why and what's not set upon much against the conspiracy theorists
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is that Jeffrey Epstein changed his will two days before he changed his will
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two days before his suicide which then smacks of, you know, that goes kind of against
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well not only kind of against, but against the theory that he was murdered. He changed it voluntarily with his attorneys at the time
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If Trump does impose a sort of information blackout on his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
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or go legal, if papers do get into it in a trivial way
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as the Wall Street Journal has done with this letter, with this card to Epstein on his 50th
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won't it make it worse because there will be an information vacuum that will be filled with
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pizzagate q anon type conspiracies paedophilia conspiracies money conspiracies fraud conspiracies wouldn't it be better just to you know let the sunlight in you would have thought so i think he's
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backed himself into a corner that on this occasion he can't get out of and i think his current um
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his current tactics surrounding himself with those, like the likes of Kash Patel, Pan Bondi, Dan Bongino
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even Peter Heskey, all these guys were the ones who defended it
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and now they're turned circle. I can't see how he's going to get away from this
