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One person who wants the Minister to resign is a Conservative MP and former Conservative Home Secretary
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Suella Braveman, and she's with me now in the studio. Suella Braveman, great to see you here
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Why should she go? It's very difficult to deal with this crisis
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Your government failed to deal with it. You've been accused by Baroness of Alexis Jay of failing yourself on this
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Why don't you give Jess Phillips a chance to get it right? Well, first of all, let me just say this is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, scandal facing our country
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It's been going on for decades. There's been report after report after report
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and yet the victims are still without justice. I've got to refute the claims made by Alexis Jay
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I met with her on several occasions. She, of course, wrote the report into child sexual abuse in a broad sense
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When I was home secretary, I met with her on several occasions. I adopted pretty much all of the recommendations that she made
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She says you didn't, didn't she? She says that I didn't engage with her. Well, the record will show that we had several meetings
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while I was Home Secretary. I was the Home Secretary who went out on a limb
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to set up a task force, which led to hundreds of arrests
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500 arrests of perpetrators, safeguarding over 1 victims in its first year Together with the Prime Minister Rishi Sunak who actually took an interest in this issue himself we did deliver some justice and we did deliver some results Was it enough No of course not But the record will show that I did engage with Alexis Jay
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I set up a task force and I took this issue very seriously, talking about it, very much to my own detriment, actually
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And we are where we are now. Jess Phillips, under pressure, safeguarding minister
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She's lost the confidence of some of those victims, not all. Why should she resign
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Because, as I said, this issue, we cannot afford to waste more time
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and we cannot have more ministers gaslighting the British people and the victims and the survivors
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We need an inquiry now. We need to get to the bottom of the truth and we need justice for the victims
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Jess Phillips, having lost the confidence of, I think, four survivors who have now resigned from the panel in the last few days
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is a damning reflection of her oversight of this process. They have now lost the candidates to chair the inquiry
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They're saying it's going to be taken in-house. They're basically moving the deck chairs around
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while the Titanic is sinking on this. There's four victims here. They've been let down by the state, by officials, by police
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by social workers, by politicians, and they're looking at this going, what on earth is going on
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Absolutely. They just want justice. And, you know, my government didn't provide justice
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sufficiently for them but they do need it now One of the survivors has said that Justice was lying lying and it looks like a cover of the cover They don want to talk about the ethnicity She would deny that of course
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Sure, but they don't want to talk about the ethnicity of the perpetrators, which is an absolutely integral feature of the whole scandal
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If that's not a cover-up, I don't know what is. The PM and Home Secretary have said they won't shy away
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from dealing with the issue of ethnicity, as outlined in the Lewis Casey report
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So that's been sorted out there. But we need to have this to start work, don't we
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Because it must report quickly. Should it be a judge or not? We're saying no to a judge by the prime minister, for example
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I think it should be someone who is outside of the government machine. Potentially a judge, yes, because we've seen that ministers have failed
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The arms of the state have failed. The home office has failed. The police have failed
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Social workers have failed. And so we do need someone who is outside of that machinery
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to bring a fresh pair of eyes and clean hands to the whole situation
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and, importantly, someone who will command confidence amongst the victims and survivors
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I've got to ask you the day which we pass more small boats arrivals
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for all of last year by today, which is the third week of October
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This is a disaster for the government. Should they, or you'll say yes to this, but I was going to ask you
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but the Rwanda plan was the answer you had but they would say it wasn going to work Yeah and they were wrong I mean because the Rwanda plan is effectively being used to varying degrees by the US The very homes that I went to visit when I was Home Secretary
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in Rwanda, which were being constructed thanks to British taxpayer money, planned to be used by asylum seekers that we were planning
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to remove and deport to Rwanda, are now being used to house illegal migrants
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or people who are being deported from the US because President Trump has seen some value in the scheme
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Now, if it's good enough for the Americans, I think it should be good enough for Starmer. But it's not working at the moment
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Also, I must ask you why I've got you. Nigel Farage is sitting out. He's boycotting PMQs
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Should he be called more often by the Speaker? Is it fair? Or do you think it's just tough
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You've got five MPs, Nigel. Suck it up. I think he should be called more often
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Yeah, I think reform speaks for a large majority at the moment of the public
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if you read and believe the polls, and they're winning lots of elections
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Much like GB News, they are the voice of the people in many, many ways
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and I do think it's not a fair reflection of the state of British politics
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to exclude key politicians. And you're still a Tory? I'm still a Tory
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No plans, no. So, I'm Brayman, it's great to see you in the studio. Thanks for spending time with us today. Thank you
