WATCH: Ex-Detective hits out at 'crime-dodging' officers amid plans to scrap non-crime hate incidents

Let's talk to former Detective Chief Superintendent from the Met, Kevin Hurley

Kevin, good morning. Give us your take. Is this common sense now, they're going to get rid of these

as long as the report goes to the Home Secretary? The Met has already said they're going to stop investigating them

Common sense? Absolutely. I mean, this all came from some bright young thruster

assistant chief officer who was tasked or came up with the idea

of stopping hurty words of one form or another. and as a net result we created this huge bureaucratic exercise where essentially most

people who got in altercations whether they were kids in playgrounds or arguments with neighbours

ended up getting non-crime hate incidents recorded against them which potentially could have come up

on the DBS barring checks and affect them for the rest of their life but the other thing it did

It took policing and police away from the real work which is protecting us from thieves and violent criminals and getting them involved in essentially neighbourly disputes so we ended up with police being called in the

school playgrounds and so on i'm not saying there isn't a case for police intervening in places of

extreme harassment of people or threats of violence but what this created was a whole

industry, and I might add, as a former police leader, one of the problems that you've

actually got with some of your police staff is stopping them picking what I would call the low

hanging fruit, and to justify their existence. And the low hanging fruit is this stuff. It's

easy to go and record non-crime hate incidents, instead of go out there and hunt

and stop and search burglars and robbers. So in a way, this

enabled what I would call conflict dodger police officers to, if you like

create work themselves and conflict dodger sergeants get involved in supervising this instead of focusing on the real business which is dealing with the rapists the people who assault women the people who abuse children burglars and so on

So, yes, a long answer. Absolutely common sense. And again, one further point I'll make is one of the problems you get

with what you might call unexpected consequences when some bright person comes up with an idea that seems sensible

and then doesn't work out where the ripples are going to land

And that's true of all elements of business, not just policing. What we're really struck by is apparently we've even got non-hate crime incidents

involving nine-year-olds. Kevin, how on earth... What on earth is a school getting the police involved with that for

A nine-year-old who says somebody smells a fish? Big deal. It's laughable

Well, how did it come to this? Well, first off, the system was created

Then we brought in quite rightly this idea of what called safeguarding of children And then we over teaching so that teachers needed to cover their butt

So in anything like this, to avoid a complaint, they think, oh, next thing, let's call the police

Far better they might have been more responsive to looking at cases of children

who disappear off to Africa in the holidays and then come back suffering from pain

because they've been subjected to female genital mutilation. But this is all too scary and too difficult for teachers too often to face up to it and manage their true roles of safeguarding young children from being violated by perverse cultures

What we get is if you bring in these ideas and then you bring in the bureaucracy and you over supervise teachers or nurses or police and you fill it up with bureaucracy, they naturally will protect themselves from complaints and do the easiest stuff of filling the forms than addressing the real problems