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DJ Chark Movement & 3 Lions with the Most to Prove in 2023: Live Discussion & Q&A
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Mar 29, 2023
DJ Chark Movement & 3 Lions with the Most to Prove in 2023: Live Discussion & Q&A. Join our live discussion as we dive into DJ Chark's potential move and the three Detroit Lions players with the most to prove in the upcoming 2023 season. We'll also be answering your questions and discussing your thoughts, so be sure to participate in the conversation!
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Here with not Eric Vincent, we have Neil Brush from Rain City Roar filling in for Eric Vincent tonight
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who is off covering the Motor City crews in one of their final games
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We still have Beyond the Box. We're ready to give it to you. We got a lot popping tonight. We got some new free agent signing, C.J. Gardner-Johnson
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We want to discuss what's going on with D.J. Shark and is he coming back to the Detroit Lions
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And then we also want to hit the three Lions that have the most to prove
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Neil, are you ready to go? I'm born ready, man. Let's do this. All right. We're going to get to it right after this
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Here we are and ready to go. Let's hop right into it
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And we, maybe you went to bed early. Maybe you didn't go to bed early, but you found out last night that CJ Gardner-Johnson is a lion
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Detroit lion. He's a lion. Yes, sir. The top, according to Adam Schefter, the top defensive free agent is now off the board
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Neil, what are you thinking about C.J. Gardner-Johnson being a Detroit Lion and adding that to the moves that Brad Holmes has made with this secondary
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I got to tell you, I'm a big fan of the fact that they didn't let their remaining cap space make them shy away from going after him on that
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We saw today that they did some extra stuff and restructured some things. Some guys took some pay cuts
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It was actually really cool to see kind of the mentality of the folks that were participating in this whole thing
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But, man, to bring in a guy like him is awesome. He's somebody that you want to talk about building a team that has depth
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Not that he's a depth player, but how many times did we have people go down in the secondary last year
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It was brutal. We had second, third string guys playing most of the season
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But now we have Gardner Johnson in there. You have a guy that's played safe. You have a guy that's played outside corner
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You have a guy that's played nickel, and he's played them all at high level. So I'm excited about this one
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And also got some reps at some OLB a little bit with the Saints too
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Yep. So he, I mean, he's a ball player. And this, like, listen, it's a one-year, $8 million
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The reports are that the Eagles offered him a multi-year deal. He turned it down waiting, and then they went out and signed Bradbury
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and then they extended Slay, which kind of dictated his market. And here we are with a completely revamped secondary for the Detroit Lions
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And it's beautiful. Yeah. Dude, they got it. I mean, I think I appreciate what they've done so far this year in free agency
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because you look at our secondary, and it's a lot of young guys that we drafted
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and now they're at a point where the majority of them well actually not the majority but but half
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of the guys that are currently on the books are our vets we know how they're going to perform we
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know that they don't have to go through a learning curve they're just kind of plug and play type dudes and um you know it's one of those things where uh barring injuries and everything I think
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we're going to be pretty set in that spot this year because last year was definitely a weakness
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last year was for sure a weakness. And we've said multiple times on this show
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and I just want to kind of get your thoughts. And I know that the comment section is going to go off on this too
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because we have said it and they believe us. Are the Lions the favorites in the NFC North
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Going into 2023. I don't know if I'd go. Yeah, absolutely. Okay
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Hold on a second. I think at this point, they're probably one of the favorites in the NFC
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Yeah, so we talked about that on Thursday night. They have the fourth best odds to win the NFC with only the Eagles
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the 49ers, and the Dallas Cowboys who don't win anything ahead of them
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That's some pretty good company. That's some pretty good company, but it also means that you have a really good draft
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and you're one of the top two, three teams to win the NFC
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I have not been this excited in March. Yeah. In a long time
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Yeah. I'm super excited about everything that they've done so far. So you've added Sutton
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You've added Mosley. You've added CJ Gardner Johnson. You still have Jeff Okuda, which we're going to talk about a little bit later in the show
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They've addressed defense quite well. Yep. The worst signing that they made in this offseason is Alex Anzalone
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And I don't even think that that's arguable at this point. The money that they gave him and the years that they gave him
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I just think it was the worst contract imaginable. But it happened, and they addressed the defense
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What they have not really done is address the offense, aside from Graham Glasgow and David Montgomery
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There's still a need at wide receiver. Yep. Do they go after DJ Chark
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Do they try to retain DJ Chark? I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't
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I mean, granted, he was hurt for the first chunk of the season
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But what did we pay him last year, $10 million? $10 million for a one-year deal
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$10 million. The guy caught 30 balls. You can find that somewhere else
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You can find that somewhere else. We still got it. We had Cephas, who was on the sideline all year, hurt last year
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I still think that he's got some potential to do some stuff. You've got Raymond
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You've got Reynolds. You've got Jameson Williams. You've got the sun god
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Yeah. I don't see all that. I wouldn't spend that much money on him to bring him back
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Not for that. So his market value, according to SpotRack, is not even $10 million
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It's like $9.5 million. And if people have watched this show consistently
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which we have some very consistent viewers, and I do want to say shout out to all you
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Like Drina, who's watching from Detroit, she said. And we've got Jacob on here
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We've got the Lion King on here as well. Jacob and David as well
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And Joseph. Like, you guys, thank you for commenting. And if you watch this show consistently, you know that I'm not a huge fan of retaining TJ Shark
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Or I haven't been up until today, actually. Because when we started researching this, when I started talking about this, listen
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DJ's been meeting with the Carolina Panthers. He's taking other calls. We get all that
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There's a couple of reasons why I want to bring him back. Number one, unless you're planning on spending pick number six
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pick number 18 on Quinton Johnson, which I don't think he's going to be available at 18
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I don't think you're taking a receiver top 10. A.T. Perry, maybe in the second round, maybe in the third round
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could potentially be a fill there When I look at the free agent market for wide receivers right now it not good It not good at all And the best receiver on the board right now is DJ Chark
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Hands down. Why not bring him back? A guy that's got consistency with Jared Goff. A guy that's been
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here. He knows the system. He knows the culture. It makes sense, as Joseph said, to retain him
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And I think that there's something even deeper why I think it makes sense
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What if J-Mo is not what we expected J-Mo to be? I don't know, man
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His one catch last year was really impressive. This is a one catch
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One catch that was really impressive. And then the other one that was horribly underthrown by Jared Goff
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Yep. His one catch. I know he needs a full season. And I am by no means writing Jamison Williams off
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I don't want anybody to think that because I want him to be the best receiver in the NFL right now
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Yep. But signing chart to one, maybe two-year deal, he's only 26 years old
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It's not like he's an old vet that is going to keel over on you
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True. The insurance there makes a lot of sense to me. and if Eric were here, he probably would have fallen out of his seat at this point
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because he knows that I'm not huge on re-signing Chark, but as of today, Monday the 20th, I want to see Chark back
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I want to see him back, man. I'm cool with it if he rides off into the sunset with another team this year
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Sure you are. I just don't see it. I don't see it
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Why? What about it? You say you're going to get it from somebody else. Who are you going to get it from
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The draft. So you're okay and comfortable drafting a receiver. When your best receiver is going to be drafted in those first 81 picks
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You've got five of them. Looks like St. Brown was. St. Brown was actually later
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So you're defeating my argument there. I get that. But how often do you find a St. Brown in the fifth round
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I don't know, but we have Brad Holmes. We do. I know
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That guy has worked some late round magic. And I am comfortable saying that I believe in him
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And his ability to get that value out of the late round picks
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Okay. So I think that brings up a very interesting question. Have you ever in your Lions fandom, and I know you've been a fan for a while
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And I know that you're a fan in a treacherous place, right? Because you're out West Coast
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There's probably not many of you. Have you ever in your Lions fandom said, I trust the Lions GM
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Absolutely not. Did you ever think you would utter those words? No, and I can't believe I just did it live right here, right now
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And it's on record and lives in perpetuity. I've never said that before
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How does that make you feel? Last week, I kept liking it to Ron Burgundy in his interview
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like, I don't know what to do with my hands kind of thing. Like, how does that make you feel
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Well, first off, you've got me really thinking about my life and where I went wrong in a lot of places
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But I say that and I don't feel like I'm going to regret saying that
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I mean, we've had we've had two drafts with him now. And the guy the guy hits on his draft picks
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He does. All the way back into like the sixth round with Rodrigo, Rodrigo and James Houston
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Like, yeah, it's fun to watch. And coupling what we know about Brad Holmes and his draft, along with this free agent stuff, you can't help but be on the Mount Everest of fandom with the Detroit Lions going into 2023
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Yeah. It's like Hard Knocks on crack. This is better than what Hard Knocks wanted to be at this point in my heart and in my mind
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I feel so optimistic about what this team is putting together and the guys that they have in place
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I know I dogged Campbell during the first half of last season. I did it loud and I did it often
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But the way that he got those guys to pull together, yeah, we lost a couple pieces of coaching staff and whatnot
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but I'm very, very, very confident in this group that they've got leading this team
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And it does make me feel uncomfortable. The chemistry. That's what I'm saying
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sign him to keep the chemistry. It makes sense. And we're going to get into this when we talk about the lines
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that have the most to prove, okay? Yeah. But there's something to be said about that chemistry
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And again, if Eric were here, he'd be falling out of his seat because I have for weeks been like
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eh, we don't need Shark. We don't need Shark. We don't need him. Like, we don't. And I'm here today saying, yeah, I think we do
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Because Reynolds is nice, good possession receiver. Obviously, Amon Ra is going to move the chains
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J-Mo is going to be your deep threat. But having a deep threat, another deep threat to take away from your other deep threat
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it does kind of help. It helps. He did what? He averaged, what, 16, 17 yards a catch last season
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16.7 per reception. I get it. I get where you're coming from on it
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But for the right price, I have no issue with him as a person or a player, but it's got to be at the right price
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I'll say that. Okay. right price do you think the lions will get wagner curtis wants to know
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i want them to get wagner i know you do i want them to get wagner but where do you play him
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though you're going to sign them to then replace alex anzalone who you signed to the worst contract
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in lions history i think they both play inside linebacker i think that they're in a unique spot
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with a coaching staff's willingness to put people in positions to play to their strengths
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and if their best chance is playing a 3-4, count on Aleem in the middle
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All right. Or draft Jalen Carter at six because he's going to be there at six
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Draft Jalen Carter to be your one technique. I don't disagree with that
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Okay, good. Good, because they need to draft Jalen Carter if he's there at six
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We've been over this multiple times. Red flags or no red flags? Listen, we got the red flags
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We understand the red flags. but I don't know. Okay. Here's, here's the other debate that we've been having
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And then I want to move into our, our lines talk, the three lines with the most prove themselves
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Okay. Are you moving off of pick six? Do you, with what they've done in free agency
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would it make sense for them to trade up and get the best player available
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Will Anderson, or wait and see what happens at six. If Carter or Anderson are not there trade back
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I and right on cue we have a comment what are the chances we trade up for Anderson
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I wouldn't do it if it was me I wouldn't do it yeah I wouldn't it's I putting all your eggs in
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one basket is always just kind of a it's a scary thing I mean you know that's going to be expensive for them to do you know they're giving out capital to do that yeah for sure and it just
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is the guy a generational talent or is he the best player in the draft uh yes
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I wouldn do it I wouldn do it Listen Anderson probably the most surefire thing to come out of college
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in the last two years. But my thing is, okay, maybe he is
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Maybe you're completely right. He plays his first contract, and then what
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Then the team is hamstrung because they're going to pay. But the question is, does it matter
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That's five years from now. the Lions windows two to three years. So five years from now
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you could be back to tearing it down a little bit and rebuilding. Does it matter at that point
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if it got you to where you needed to be now, is he good enough to make them a contender this year
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Combined with Hutchinson and Houston and what they've done in the secondary with what they've done in the secondary
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If they make their front seven equally as good and arguably their front seven
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turned it around in the second half. Yep. then those cornerbacks get that much better because of that front seven
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And I've got to address something really quick. Joseph, I said it was the worst contract in team history
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I'm well aware of Trey Flowers' contract. There's a reason I'm not a comedian, okay
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It was a joke. It was facetious. It was sarcastic. Please don't hang me out to dry on the fact that I disliked the Alex Anzalone signing so much
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So much. but now back to this conversation yes i think anderson makes him a contender
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i do okay that you and you you have you have a valid point so i'm not gonna argue with you on it
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i just i look at it off the same edge could you imagine that for a second that would be scary
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yeah and then houston bookending it on the other side on passing downs
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nobody would stand a chance it would be it would be a meat grinder for sure yeah it would for sure
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be like and the more I talk about it the more I want it to happen I just think that there's enough
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stupid stuff that's happened in the past couple drafts with people trading around and who knows
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what Carolina's gonna do and everything the five picks in front of us but say the right guys fall
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and say somebody sitting behind us wants to move up to six yeah it's I think that they take a chance
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by not exploring that and trading up and going after the guy that they like if they like him
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but I think that the potential is there to either one, get the guy that you absolutely do want and go with the best player
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available or get a couple extra picks out of it. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing, right? So, I mean
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they've already strengthened their, they've already strengthened their secondary. So I really think that secondary is out of the question and for in the first
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round, like I don't think Witherspoon, I don't think Gonzalez, I don't think Joey Porter jr
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is going to be added to that room. Excuse me. No. Which makes me wonder
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either A, you trade up to get Will Anderson, B, you sit and wait and see what falls
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because if somebody trades up with Arizona to get a quarterback or trades up with Seattle to get a cornerback
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then the first four quarterbacks are going to be off the board by six anyways
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There's a very high likelihood in the first six picks, the four of them are the quarterbacks yeah which gives you a 50 50 probably more 60 40
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chance that anderson lands at six because tyrese wilson is also in the mix jalen carter would
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obviously be in that mix quentin johnson i've seen gone go as high as five so i mean
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in that scenario i'm a dumber so you're telling me there's a chance kind of situation
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but yes I'm telling you that there's a chance I want to get to some of these comments but I do
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neil before we get to our three lions that have the most approved in 2023 let's go through some
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of these comments because there's some really really good comments here i've been so you've
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been seeing him come in so here we go Hutch and Anderson that would be that would be deadly for
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years yeah for about four of them until Hutchinson was off his contract now true telling he says that
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all depends on what you think of golf and what I think he's talking about is drafting a quarterback
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at that point this is the one that I really wanted to get to Jason Skeens do you think that the Lions
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are Super Bowl contenders. Again, in a sentence I never thought that I would say
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Neil, are they? Right now, they are a better team than they were last year
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And they played tough ball against teams that went deep in the playoffs
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That tells me all I need to know right now. I'm a firm believer, however
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that momentum from one season does not carry over into the next. There's a lot of bad stuff that could happen
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There's a lot of bad things that can happen. I'm going to knock on wood real quick
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But I want to see what happens in the draft. Yeah. Before I go, hey, they're Super Bowl contenders
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But when you're top four odds-on favorite to win the NFC, and you are the odds-on favorite to win the division
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you're in that conversation. You're automatically in that conversation. if you're the presumed champ of the division
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You can't not be in that conversation, in my opinion. Granted, sometimes there's some teams that squeak in there
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that probably shouldn't win their divisions, but man, obviously they have to go out
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and they have to play 17 games next year before anybody can say anything or feel any certain kind of way
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but I don't see competition in this division anymore. No. And it's not going to be a thing where we win the division because nobody else is good
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It's going to be because we are good. That's what I'm excited about
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100%. 100%. Keith makes a good comment. At first, I did not see Brad Holmes moving up in the draft
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But since we've acquired the pieces that we have in free agency, I don't mind him doing that
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And that's kind of where I've been sitting. like seeing all these moves come in from free agency i'm like you don't need to be at six to
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get a corner because you've literally re-signed three you've signed three corners will harris
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included you brought him back so you really signed four corners you've got kirby joseph and tracy
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walker coming back at the back end not to mention gardner johnson can be a back end piece as well
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and oh kirby johnson was a or joseph was a pretty doggone good corner in college as well
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so like they have versatility too right yep so now do you make the move to get the best player in the draft Or as somebody else brought up do you draft a quarterback
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So I will say when you initially talked about moving up, I was pitching from like six to two
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Yeah. Not six to five. No, no. Well, six to five may not cost you pick 18
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So you could still have two picks in the first round. Yeah, I would do
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If he's sitting there at five, yeah, make a phone call and see if you can, if you can
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snag him. But it depends on what they, I wouldn't be mad if they drafted the right quarterback
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I'm not going to say who I think the right quarterback is right this second. But I should say who you think the right quarterback is and why you think it's Anthony Richardson
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Because he's the best quarterback in the draft, in my opinion. He's the best football player in the draft
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So here's the deal. When I've done mock drafts, I've looked. The highest I would trade up is three
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Okay. To Arizona. Because that's the first team that does not need a quarterback
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Okay. That's going to be expensive, though. Yeah. Plus, we don't know what Indianapolis is going to do
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We don't know what Atlanta is going to do. We don't know what Las Vegas is going to do
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I'm not moving up to draft a quarterback. I wouldn't move up, but I would take him at six
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If Richardson's in there at six, I would take him. I don't think I would
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I don't think I would. I mean, he's probably the, he is the quarterback with the most upside in the entire draft
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But do you draft a player at six to sit for two years? Like the, the way most
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you have to have as Brad Holmes to spend a top 10 pick on a player and go
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by the way, you're not playing for two years while Jared golf finishes out his contract
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And you need to learn as much as you can in these next two years
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That's, that's a game of risk. I don't think that sounds too crazy though
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especially not with the second first round pick sitting back there. but then that begs the question what do you do then when you could have other people like
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in the sixth round that are available as a decent stash and learn quarterback
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decent ones yeah but david's correct here did you see his combine like his deep ball looked great
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but he could not throw an out route to save his life at the combine with no defenders
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i don't put i i don't i don't put a lot on the combine i've never been a guy that put a lot on
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the combine i watched how they play football and you know i mean i i know that there's things that
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are measurable i know that they measure those things for a reason but at the end of the day it's you can only put so much weight into that in my mind um the speed like the 40 okay you can't
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teach that you can't teach that but everything else you can everything else should be taught
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Okay. All right. So here's something that you can throw on your argument as well. Steve's correct. Pick six is house money. It's like free money. I like it. I don't know if I necessarily love it, but it's true. It's house money
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steve-o thank you that's a good call i mean yeah i i don't know i'm not gonna talk myself
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into taking a quarterback because i really don't want to my my move would be to trade up and get
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anderson uh hooker in the second round maybe because you got two second round picks as well
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even though he's 25 decent and then we obviously have chris who says jared goff is the answer
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he is for two years and then after that he can kick rocks as far as i'm concerned but we will
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let's get into it all right we've talked about free agency we've talked about dj shark we've
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talked through the questions that everybody has put their opinions in the comments and we love
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the comments every single one of you that is commenting thank you so much 2023 is upon us
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So pretty shortly. And the season's right around the corner. And I want to hear you sound off in the comments too
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So make sure you list them as well. And we'll get them up on the screen. For you
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Neil from Rain City Roar, who are the three Detroit Lions? And I want you to power rank them
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So you're going to go with like the least approved, next most approved
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and then the most approved. So like three to one. Okay. Okay
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Who are the three Detroit Lions that have the most to prove in 2023
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Number three, DeAndre Swift. All right. It's not proving it for the Lions
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It's proving it for himself because he's not going to be a Lion after the season
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He's not. He's playing for his next contract. He is. He's got to prove that he can be healthy
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He can stay healthy and be productive. And he's playing for himself this season
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A guy that won 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving ended up with 500 yards rushing and 300 yards receiving that's a good one now
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just a little bit it's like way off dude um his health obviously is going to be a major factor in
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that yep the question is can he up his trade value and maybe we trade him like hawkinson
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that would actually probably be best case scenario i think it would yeah depending depending on where
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you're at right if the lions are you know they've already secured a playoff berth and i mean they
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wouldn't by the trade deadline but they're on their way to securing a playoff berth and you're
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not really utilizing him except for like change of you know change up plays in a way because
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montgomery's your montgomery's your running back one and i'm excited about him as we can yeah we
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even said last week like behind this offensive line you're potentially looking at a rushing
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champion. Yeah. 100%. If he stays healthy, it's another injury concern. Yeah
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If you're in a position to trade Swift, you trade Swift. It's possible. Alright
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Number three, for me. I keep bagging on this guy, but I got to put him up there. It's Alex Anzalone
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He's got a lot to prove. Yes, he was the leading tackler last year, but you got paid an
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exorbitant amount of money for no reason at all. He was horrible in coverage
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last year. He allowed a 90.6 passer rating against. You just got a three-year contract as a
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this leader of the defense, you need to earn that money. You need to prove it
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Don't give me the Thor. Don't give me the nicknames. I wish they would have replaced you with somebody else, so prove me wrong
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I know you don't care about who I am. I know nobody cares about who I am, but I'm telling you
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you have the most to prove in my eyes. Because I think..
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You need to get a lot of money. Yeah. Six and a quarter million a year for a third-tier linebacker
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who is now your starting inside linebacker with Bobby Wagner on the board
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And Levante David took a one-year $7 million deal. How pissed will you be if Bobby Wagner gets signed
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and takes less money than Anzalone just took? Don't even. Oh, my keyboard will be smoking from the editorials
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that will be written about what are we doing. Yes, it's been a good – like, we did our free agency grades last week
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And I gave Brad a B- It went up to a B
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With the CJ GJ signing But it was at a B- Strictly because I failed
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Anzalone's contract Everybody else was like 75 or higher He was 50
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I did watch that And you Pretty critical of the guy Yeah
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I can't disagree with you though He didn't pay him that much money for what he did
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He got in the way a lot. He messed up plays. He didn't make the tackle, but he was flying around
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Look, Eric Vincent chiming in from Motor City Cruise. He says the three with the most approved
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Swift, Anzalone, and Lord Golf. We are going to get to all of them
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We've already gotten to two of them. Who's number two for you? Jeff Okuda. Yeah
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they they already i think this off season within free agency so far they just said to jeff
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we don't believe in you so we're bringing in reinforcements a hundred percent you're so right
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on you're so right on yeah he's he's got to feel the pressure he's just potential is just one of
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those things where you can only have potential for so long before maybe you don't have potential
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and that just is what you are. Yeah, potential is just... Yeah, and we've talked about this too
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How beneficial was it for him to have Chase Young in his front seven
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It got him a top three draft selection. Yep. So maybe he just wasn't as good as we all kind of thought
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Remember when he was picked and everybody was like, well, that was a mistake
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Yep. He was good in the round. Yeah, for Bob Quinn, who also drafted Tease Tabor in the second round
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who was slower than my grandmother. Couldn't catch to save his life
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Whatever. We're rid of that darkness. I don't even want to ever relive it
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because we have Brad Holmes. Number two for me is Jameson Williams
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Second-year player. A lot of hype. I, again, want him to be
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the best receiver in the NFL. But I want to see him earn
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that 12th overall pick. We traded up for him. Yeah. And I need to see it proved
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Hot take. Okuda will be traded draft day. Oh. As long as that's in a package
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to move up to three with the Arizona Cardinals, I'm okay with that. And then we draft Will Anderson
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I'll take that. You can have six and Okuda and something down the line
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We'll take Will Anderson. Obviously, that's facetious. but I love it back to JMO he can be a game breaker He can be that guy I want to see it
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That run that he did? Yeah. I want to see it. And this isn't a negative
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This is, hey, I want to see you prove this, man. Like, be dynamic
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Be the guy that we know you can be. You're the 12th overall pick last year
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go prove it. You were hurt. You got a pass for this year
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I'm not even mad. Yep. At all. And when you came in
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you made an impact in those games. Go prove it. Follow up what you did in those last
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you know, six games over a full course of the season and make our offense that much better
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Yep. Yeah. I think I find a way to get a ball and get the ball in his hands as much as possible
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Here. That's going to be fun. Well, we got a call out for Brock
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right? I'm the most approved. What? Oh, my gosh. Hey, you know what
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It is my brother, Matt, so I do have to kind of give him crap a little bit
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But it's like, seriously, a tight end that's one of three? Okay
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What? Whatever. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. It's America. We have this thing called free speech
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Who's the number one guy that has the most approved for you? Jared Goff
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hands down Jared Goff because this is on this show Jared Goff needs to show
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us and himself who he is um he had that shaky first season with us he came out and as the
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season went on last year he played really good football played very good in the grand scheme of
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things we've got him for we've got him for 30 million dollars a year right now which is a steal
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compared to some of these garbage contracts that have been thrown around out to people. But, man, he's still young
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He's still got a lot of football left in him. Is he a $50 million guy
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We find out this season if he is or is not. I hate that that number keeps getting thrown out
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Everybody keeps throwing out that number. I wouldn't pay Lamar Jackson $50 million
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and I think Lamar's a better quarterback than Jared Goff. I honestly wouldn't even pay anybody other than Pat, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow $50 million
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Like, there's no other quarterback in the NFL I would pay that money to. Even if he has a really good year this year, I'm not paying him $50 million a year
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But you just had Daniel Jones get paid almost $40 million. Right. The Giants are idiots
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It's the same thing like the Browns with Deshaun Watson that screwed up Lamar
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Lamar's a better quarterback than Deshaun Watson. If anybody deserved that kind of contract, it would be Lamar
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But because the Browns are idiots, they screwed it up for Lamar. Because the Giants are idiots, they're going to screw it up for other people
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Daniel Jones is not worth that money. By any stretch of the imagination
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You can't even argue it, even if it's opposite day. You're still wrong
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I would not pay Jared Goff $50 million a year, ever. You'd pay him $40 million
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maybe. Okay. Maybe. So are you that $40 million guy? No
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Again, I'm not extending Jared Goff. No? Not at all? I've made that very clear
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Listen, I will be very, very, very, very, very, very clear. He was good last year
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Yeah. He was good last year. But if you look at his historical numbers
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that was literally his ceiling he's had one better year and that was 2018 when they went
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to the super bowl everything else has been subpar below that so my question for all the golf people and listen he our quarterback I want him to be very successful next year But I think we going to see a lot more regression to the mean
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than we're going to see a repeat of what we saw in 2022. Because if that's his ceiling, it's going to be very difficult
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to reach that ceiling again. He was great over 4,000 yards, 29 touchdowns, seven interceptions
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Very good. It's a decent ceiling. it is a decent ceiling, but you're paying him
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If you extend him and want to pay him that much money, you're expecting him to do that every single season
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Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. And I just don't think that's why he's number one on my list
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And he's number one on your list. Right. Yeah. Because he does have a lot to prove was last year a fluke
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I don't, I don't want to believe that it was because he was integral to a lot of the
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success that we had. that's a lot of games to be fluky but was it though how many games it was he quiet last year
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dallas two interceptions no touchdowns buffalo he misses a wide open dj shark by
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a sideline for the game-winning score you know what i mean like so there's he was really good in a lot of areas
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patted the stats against Seattle when they're down 20 points in the fourth quarter
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So of course those numbers are going to be bigger. Patted the stats against Carolina when they're down by two, three scores in the second half
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So those numbers are going to be high. I get all that. But those are the same arguments that people made against Matthew Stafford
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And I don't want to continue to like bag on him because he is our quarterback. If he wants to even start the conversation of an extension though
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he has to come close to repeating what he did in 2022. Okay. I agree with that
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I agree with that completely completely and it won't be easy I like what
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where did it go here I'm trying to think I'm trying to look through these real quick get to the comments
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David brought up a good one because last year was not a fluke they had the great offensive line
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yeah there's a lot of good things that are going to happen on that offense because of that offensive line
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especially having Glasgow back yeah I I know why that's exactly why Montgomery probably chose
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Oh, for sure. If Goff is serious about winning, he would resign for $30 million a year
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It's not likely they would be underpaying him. Listen, the max would be $40 million
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I think that that would be fair. If he comes out and he repeats this year what he did last year
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The max is still $40 million. Agreed. But I think that he would I think that we could agree that he probably deserves that
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At that point If he shows it I like that I don't know
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These three guys are the guys I mean you had Okuda, Swift, and Goff
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I had Anzalone, Williams, and Goff And I think that's a pretty fair list
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If those We have five guys total If those five guys prove themselves
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one of them or two of them aren't going to be here by the end of the season
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for sure and it's going to be a fun season if they're all clicking on all cylinders
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the guys on that list here's a question we keep getting would you trade both first round picks
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for Lamar and pay him does Goff go with it if Goff goes with it
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you don't have to give up both first round picks so one article that i read said that you could do six golf and 48 so first round second round and then like a second round in the future And you get Lamar And like their sixth round pick this year I would take that
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But then you're paying him And you're paying him between 40 and 50
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You're not paying him Getting him signed this offseason Is going to be cheaper than doing it next offseason
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Here's another name CJ Stroud Don't like it at all. I know, Steve-O
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you've probably been on here talking about CJ. I don't trust a quarterback that comes out of Ohio State
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Is that my bias showing? Sure. Maybe it is. But I saw a stat this year that
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or I think it was earlier this week, that said Ryan Day has had a hand
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in getting the last three Ohio State quarterbacks drafted in the first round. Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, and CJ Stroud
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And I sat and I looked at that stat and I go, hmm, that's neat
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But what have they done? Dwayne Haskins, God rest his soul, obviously no longer with us
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but he wasn't lighting the world on fire during his NFL career. Nope
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Justin Fields, the big question mark, is he a running back or can he throw the ball
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He's not Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson can throw the ball if given the opportunity
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and has the weapons. So I just don't know if I trust CJ Stroud
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I don't. Like, don't scout the helmet, scout the player. I'm with you, Steve-O
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And I've watched CJ Stroud a lot. There's something in my gut that just doesn't like him
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Yeah, he had a really good game against Georgia. I'll give you that. But against the NFL, defense and quicker reads
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and I don't know. I don't know if it's there. I think he's the best of those three
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Oh, those three Ohio State quarterbacks? Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that
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But I don't even think he's the top quarterback prospect in this draft
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No, and if he goes first, that'll probably make me scratch my head a little bit. Maybe
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I think he does go first. I think Bryce's size hinders him
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And I think that Carolina takes shroud, which fine. That's fine. Yeah
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I think Bryce goes to Houston and then the draft begins at three
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Agreed. Because then either Arizona is going to take Will Anderson, or they're going to trade out to a team that wants to get the next quarterback
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And it's going to be Anthony Richardson. And then I think Will Levis goes fourth out of that group
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Okay. That's just my prediction. I could be way off, but that's just, you know
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my prediction. Here's the deal. Neil? Yes, sir. I want to say thank you for stopping by tonight
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No problem. I know you're also going to be on our show tomorrow filling in for Eric
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