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Hello again everybody and welcome to
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another one of my podcasts. Today's
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subject is going to be dive planning and
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decompression management during the
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dive. This is a topic that I've been
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asked to do a lot and I've stayed clear
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of it a lot as well and the reason is
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that what I'm going to say is a bit like
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the CNS stuff. So, I'm going to tell you
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the way people or certainly the people
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that I dive with do it rather than the
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way it is taught on mod 2 or mod 3
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courses. And I've kind of explained a
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bit of the rationale and you get all the
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usual kind of uh truth and everything
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for me. Now, on one of my previous
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podcasts, I got told off by somebody
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because before I did that, I then went
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and talked about a whole load of other
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things which weren't related to the
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subject. So, I'm not going to do that
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today. But what I am going to say is if
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you could hang on towards the end, I am
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going to talk about some other things.
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I'm going to talk about my visit to the
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Kerno Dive Festival, which was which is
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the weekend that I've just had. I'm
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going to talk about some uh kit reviews
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I've got coming up. I'm going to talk
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about some competitions and I have got
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an absolutely stunning prize down the
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line and I'm going to talk about a bit
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about some of the stuff that's happened
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recently. Uh some of the newspaper stuff
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and also my diving plans for the next
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month or two. So that's all coming. But
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I'm going to cut to the chase now and
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talk about uh dive planning and
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decompression uh management. So um I'm a
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mod 3 instructor. So I've taught various
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different people, you know, using the
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the different syllabuses. I've I'm aware
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of the international standards and all
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those kind of things. So
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um the reason that I I've stayed clear
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of this subject before is because what
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I'm going to say to you is very
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different to the way that you are taught
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in those courses. Now, you can take or
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leave that. I'm just going to tell you
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the way it is done by the people that I
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dive with and the way I do it myself. So
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if you were when you do your training,
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you will normally be taught about the
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importance of planning and the
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importance of choosing a bottom time and
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then calculating decompression plan. And
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normally you will calculate it based on
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a few different things. You will have
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the actual dive that you're going to
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plan. You then may plan to go a bit
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deeper. You may plan to go a bit longer.
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And you may plan to go deeper and
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longer. So um you will you know
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potentially have a number of different
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plans and then normally based on the
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deeper and longer plan you would then
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have a bailout plan as well which would
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decide how much gas you need. So so
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that's the way that you are are taught
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to plan these kind of dives. So and
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nothing wrong with that. That's uh you
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know it's a good way of doing it and you
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know it will uh give you awareness of of
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what's going on and all those kind of
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things. So um you know that is the gold
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standard for absolute certain. What do
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we do though? Well, normally if I'm
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going out on on a boat, um you will have
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a discussion with the skipper and the
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skipper will give you a run time. And
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typically for the kind of diving I do,
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that might be 2 and 1/2 hours. Um it
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might be 3 hours. The diving I've just
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been doing, I mentioned the Kerno Dive
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Festival, it was 90 minutes for those
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dives. Um but they were a bit shallower.
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So, um you'll get that information and
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then um really what you do during the
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dive is you have two pieces of
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information available to you. You have
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the amount of time that you've been down
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and then you have the computer giving
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you a TTS, a total time to surface,
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which is how the quickest that you could
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get to the surface if everything goes
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right. So, what you do is you use those
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two numbers to hit the runtime. So, as
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an example, if I am 25 minutes into a
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dive and I have 2 hours of TTS, I know
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that I'm going to be getting out of the
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water, give or take, round about 2 and
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1/2 hours. So, if I'm not at the bottom
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of the shot starting my ascent at that
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point, I really want to be. So, that is
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a simple that's that's it. That is kind
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of what what we do. Um, and obviously
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there's a whole load of different things
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that have gone into that. One is, you
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know, by and large we've done quite a
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lot of diving. So, you know, we
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understand roughly how much time you you
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should be getting at the bottom, but
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there's also that understanding that you
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need to hit hit the run times. So, now
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there's a couple of things with TTS. So,
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which is obviously really important in
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the scenario I've just outlined. So, TTS
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is a perfect ideal world event. So to to
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achieve the the the time that's shown on
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the TTS, you need to extend at exactly
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the right rate that the computer thinks
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you're going to ascend. You need to do
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the stops at exactly the amount of time
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and exactly the depth that the computer
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thinks that you're going to do them. And
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obviously you need to have the perfect
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P2 and all those kind of things. So
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clearly that's not going to happen
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because you know you are never going to
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be able to achieve those things. So the
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reality is that it is going to take you
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longer to get to the surface than the
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TTS that is shown to you at the bottom.
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How much longer is a really good
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question and um what I would say is you
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as a diver um become aware of um how
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good you are at following those TTS's.
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So for instance for me um I know that
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I'm going to do my decompression stops a
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bit deeper uh than than is on the TTS.
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So if it says 12 m so if my um sheer
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water is telling me I need to stop at 12
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m chances are I'm going to be stopping
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at 12 1/2 or 13 just because that's
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slightly easier to maintain that depth.
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Um equally I know that if the sheer
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water wants me to do a 3 m stop um and I
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do have my last stop set to 3 m I am
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going to be probably be doing it at four
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or 4 and 1/2 mters um maybe even six
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depending on the circumstances. those
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will lengthen the amount of time to get
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you out of the to get you out of the
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water. So, um, how much longer? Well,
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say. What I do have in my favor, though,
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is um a piece of information that the
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computer doesn't know, which is that I
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know when I get to my first
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decompression stop, I'm going to change
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um P2 from 1.3 to 1.5. And therefore,
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I'm going to do most of my
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decompression. uh I'm going to
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accelerate it. So what that means in
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practice for me is that I know that I
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when I leave the bottom I'm going to
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achieve roughly the TTS that is uh that
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is shown to me. So that means for me if
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I'm doing a 2 and 1 half hour run time
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and I'm at the bottom of the shot, I've
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got two hours of TTS and I'm at the
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bottom of the shot at minute 30, I am
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probably going to um get out the water
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at 2 and 1 half hours. What I normally
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do is is leave a bit more of a fudge
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factor in it than that. But that is that
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is what I do. That is the way that I
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manage my decompression. You can see
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that I haven't mentioned anything about
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planning before I get in the water. Um
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so um I don't really do that. Maybe if
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it's if it's quite a deep dive, I will
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um run a plan on my shear water or I'll
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run a plan on multi deco to give me an
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idea of what minute on the dive I need
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to be back at the shots. That's really
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what I'm what I'm doing that for. Now,
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anybody's an instructor, uh you know,
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people will tell you this is heresy.
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This is this is wrong. You should have
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slates, you should have run times, you
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should have done your planning, all
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those kind of things. And um you know
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what, as I've already said, that's
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entirely fine. It's not what I do. And
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I've done a lot of deep diving. So um
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and I the the the technique that I've
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just told you, that is something I do on
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a lot of my dives. So um you know,
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clearly for me, it works. And as I've
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said many times on these kind of things,
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this is big boys diving. you know, you
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need to or big people's diving, I guess.
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You need to um understand what you're
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doing. You need to make your own
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decisions. So, I wouldn't recommend
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doing what I've just said there unless
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you are with somebody more experienced
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or you've got the experience yourself.
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So, the big question that people are
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going to say to me is, "Ah, but how do
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you know how much bailout gas you need?"
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And that is a that is a really good
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question. I'd kind of slightly turn that
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round and say that any bailout scenario
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has a whole load of um variables in it.
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Now, some of them such as when you bail
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out, what depth you bail out, all those
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kind of things um you you can mitigate
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by just going to the worst case
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scenario. Get that. But the the the big
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variable that you will never know until
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you bail out for real is what is your
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breathing rate going to be? Now in the
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international standards in various um
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diver training programs they will give
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you um breathing rates to use you 25 lit
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a minute 50 lit a minute 30 40 whatever
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whatever it whatever it is
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and you know it may be that that is what
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you'll breathe um it may be you'll
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breathe a lot less equally it may be
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that you'll breathe a lot more
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particularly obviously in certain
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scenarios you know if you got a CO2 hit
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you are going to be breathing like a
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So um even with all the best planning in
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the world, you you you know there is
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this huge variable in there that you
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don't know. So what do we do about that?
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Now I've talked about bailout on quite
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quite a few videos and you know that
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essentially we normally dive as a team
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and therefore around us is a lot of gas.
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So if I'm doing a a deep dive, I will
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normally have a buddy with me between
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us. We will have two alley 80s of deep
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bailout gas. Whatever depth we're at, 80
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m, 100 m, 120 m, there'll be two aliens.
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And then for we will then probably have
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between us a some sort of travel gas.
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And we will probably have between us
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some sort of gas that you can breathe at
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20-ish meters. Now, but the big get out
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of jail for us that kind of copes with
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everything else is that coming from the
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surface is a huge amount of bailout gas
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and also in the team around us is a huge
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amount of gas as well. So, in a bailout
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scenario, what do we do for real? What
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we do for real is we just breathe
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whatever we can from whoever is around
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us for as long as we possibly can till
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we get till we're able to get out the
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water. At that point, you throw away
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things like run times. Um, you know, the
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skipper doesn't really care at that
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point. All they want is the diver to get
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out the water water safely. So, really,
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um, you're just breathing gas and
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breathing gas and plumbing it, putting
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it in computers, seeing what happens
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until eventually you can get out of the
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water. And in the worst possible case,
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let's say you breathe everything around
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you, which would be a pretty epic
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achievement because around us is an
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awful lot of gas. You then accept that
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you are going to get out the water, get
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on the boat, get on oxygen, and call for
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help. So, that's that's I I did say it's
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heresy, didn't I? And that's a bit of a
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shock. And you know, people will
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criticize that and probably some of the
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things you're going to say absolutely
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true, but that is that is what we do.
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Um I guess the one other bit of planning
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that I should mention that I haven't
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mentioned already is selection of
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dilluents and obviously we do select an
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appropriate dilluent for the depth and
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that's based on um you know narcosis
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it's based on work of breathing gas
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density all those kind of things and and
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that is really important so making sure
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that you you choose a sensible one and
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that there's there's enough in there and
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all those kind of things. So that is
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really important. But I hope uh that was
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interesting and useful and potentially
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thoughtprovoking. So what I'm going to
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do is I'm going to move on and talk
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about some other stuff now. Now what you
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probably notice is that since recording
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the other stuff and this actually I
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recorded the other stuff yesterday and
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I've this bit of the video I decided to
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re-record because I wasn't happy with
12:35
with with with what I'd done. So, you
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will notice that the bit of video that's
12:40
about to come, I've had a haircut and
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I've had a shave. Sorry, wrong. This bit
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of video, I've had a haircut and a
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shave. So, I'm going to be unshaven and
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hairy in the next bit of video. But, um,
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hey, please don't judge me too harshly.
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Um, but also I hope you stay on for the
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rest of it and hope you uh enjoy it.
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Right. Okay. So that's that's uh deco
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um management of of decompression and
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management of tight surface. Um what the
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other things I just want to talk to you
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about first thing I want to talk to you
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about is the Kerno dive festival. So
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I've just come back from this and in
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fact hopefully you can see that I'm
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proudly wearing my Kerno 2025
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um t-shirt. So for those of you who've
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never heard of it, it's one of the best
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kept secrets in British diving. It's a
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um an it's run down here. Well, not down
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here. I'm in Devon. It's in Cornwall and
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uh near Penzance and it's been going for
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20 something years. And basically what
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it is is loads of British Aqua Club
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branches bring their people and their
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boats and their tents and all that kind
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of stuff and they go to Cornwall and
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into a campsite just outside Penzance.
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and the people who run it who are
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absolutely fabulous. The people who run
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it um use all the boats and stuff that
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have come down mix everybody up so
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everyone's diving with different people
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and they shuttle boats out to loads of
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the local dive sites. It is it's a
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fantastic fantastic thing and
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um British of Aqua Club um at its very
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best is a grassroots organization and
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this is a grassroots um event. It
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doesn't involve the hierarchy. Um, it's
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just a load of people getting together
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to do the thing that we all love. Now,
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you might say, "What are you doing down
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there, Dom? Surely they're all doing,
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you know, reefs and 20 m dives and all
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that kind of stuff." Well, the great
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thing about the Kerno Dive Festival is
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that they also try and cater for people
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like me. So um they they put on um two
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boats Saturday and Sunday and we went
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out and did some um some deeper deeper
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wrecks u 50 odd meters. So um you know
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that's that's really nice at 90minute
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run times. You know going back to our to
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our subject earlier on and I um it was
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great. Most of the often it gets blown
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out so we don't get to do them. But this
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this weekend we we had one day where it
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was really lovely and um we I think it
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was touch and go whether we should have
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gone but anyway we went a great way
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called the underwood which I've not done
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before. Um lovely World War II casualty
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diesel engineed um gun on the stern of
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ammo boxes. We had fabulous fabulous
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visibility and um I took in a guy who um
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um he' done his mod 2 course off in
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Dorothia but he'd not dived in the sea.
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So I took him in and we we had a great
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dive actually. It was it was really
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really pleasant. And then the second
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dive, second day went to a wreck called
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the JR Parks which is another World War
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II casualty uh American Liberty ship. So
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you know huge 7,000 ton thing. um quite
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broken, but tons and tons to see down
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there. Once again, stunning visibility.
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Really, really nice dive and it gave me
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an opportunity to test out a few things.
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um I'm starting to get to that point
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where people are sending me stuff, which
16:08
is which is really nice. Um and um so,
16:12
so Orc Torch, who obviously sent me
16:15
quite a few bits and pieces, sent me
16:16
this thing here, which is uh effectively
16:19
their their tray and a couple of video
16:23
D710V and they sent me that. So, I took
16:26
that down um on those dives and it's
16:29
fantastic that kit. It's really really
16:31
nicely made. Great video lights. If you
16:34
were looking for something to take with
16:35
you on holiday or whatever, that would
16:37
be fantastic cuz it packs down quite
16:39
nice and light. The lights are great.
16:41
All that kind of stuff. So, I'm going to
16:43
do a full review of that. But, it was
16:44
really nice. And the other thing I've
16:46
got is is this thing here which is um an
16:50
Insta um Ace Pro 2. So the very latest
16:54
one. It's got low light uh really good
16:57
low light capability. So I took that on
16:59
a dive and I actually took it on this
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thing here which they also sent me. So
17:01
this is their kind of 60 m case. So this
17:04
50 m Rexs were great for it. They sent
17:06
me this and they sent me a selfie stick
17:09
for it as well. So, so I was swimming
17:11
around at 50 odd meters um uh doing some
17:14
some video of myself. So, I'm going to
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stick some of that out at some point in
17:18
the future, but it was really cool and
17:20
it's it's a lovely setup. Uh this thing,
17:22
this uh Insta Pro thing is it's just
17:24
absolutely lovely. Um there's loads of
17:27
great reviews of them on the internet,
17:28
but I'm going to show what it's like in
17:30
a in a low light environment. Spoiler,
17:32
it's very good. Um but I'm going to do
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going to be doing more on that as well.
17:36
So, um, and the other good thing is with
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the Insta is they sent me another one.
17:41
So, so I've got I've got that one which
17:43
I've used and this one here which as you
17:44
can see completely unboxed brand new
17:47
that is going to be in a giveaway um
17:50
probably in July or August. So, um, as
17:55
always with my giveaways that will be
17:57
for people who've liked my Facebook
18:00
group but I'm also doing a new one as
18:02
well. So I if you as well as liking my
18:04
Facebook group, if you like my Facebook
18:07
page, then you'll get two entries. So
18:11
you know, there you go. You want to
18:12
double your chances, like like the group
18:14
or sorry, join the group and like the
18:17
like the Facebook page. Now, I also
18:20
probably need to remind you that I've
18:21
still got this this giveaway here. This
18:27
DC710. So this is the one that charges
18:29
through the case. Um, and that giveaway
18:32
is going on until the end of June. So,
18:35
if you want to win that, that's the way
18:37
to uh that remember two entries. One is
18:40
you like my uh oh, sorry, you join the
18:42
Facebook group. One is that you like my
18:44
Facebook page and I will um you know as
18:48
I've done before with the previous
18:49
giveaway, I will stick everyone's name
18:51
in a hat and whoever comes out will get
18:53
sent that and you will automat if you've
18:56
done that you will you know anybody who
18:58
who who who likes those things
18:59
automatically gets chucked in for the
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the other competition. So yeah, coming
19:03
is this lovely lovely Insta 360 Ace Pro
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2 and it also comes with a um with the
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diving case as well. Unfortunately, not
19:12
the selfie stick. I've only got one of
19:14
those, I have to say. I'm a huge fan of
19:16
it already. So, selfie stick is
19:18
brilliant, but I'm keeping it. Um, so
19:22
those are my competitions. Um, the other
19:25
thing I said I would tell you about is
19:26
my diving plans. So, really, really
19:29
excited about this because it's not the
19:31
Tampa. So, anybody's heard about the
19:33
Tampa, it it's uh it's not that. We're
19:35
going back there in September. But the
19:37
uh the big diving plan is um at the end
19:40
of the month we are taking uh Indep's
19:44
boat seeker and we're going down to New
19:47
in the far you know west of Cornwall.
19:49
We're going to base ourselves out there
19:51
for a week and we're going to go into
19:52
the western approaches and we will be
19:54
doing a whole load of stuff that has
19:56
never been dived before. So you know it
19:58
will be really really uh exciting. It
20:01
will be if the weather's up for it,
20:02
we'll be doing 100 odd meter stuff and
20:05
uh you know, all being well, we will be
20:07
finding a whole load of um new wrecks
20:10
and new stories. And of course, I will
20:14
be documenting them and putting them out
20:16
for for you good folk who who watch my
20:18
uh watch my YouTube stuff. Now, on the
20:21
subject of watching my YouTube stuff,
20:23
the other thing I just wanted to say is
20:25
loads of people, I think, like the sheer
20:28
water overlay that I have I've put on
20:30
the last couple of videos. If you have
20:32
no idea what I'm talking about, have a
20:33
look at my last couple of videos. But
20:35
what I need to do is give a huge huge
20:38
shout out to uh Eric Sto who has done
20:41
the work to make that happen. He's um
20:44
he's been absolutely tireless. He has
20:47
sent me prototypes and drafts and he's
20:49
continuously tweaking it. It's it's
20:51
absolutely fantastic. I think it adds so
20:53
much to my videos. I'm really really
20:55
pleased. Now, what I'm going to do is in
20:57
the description, you're going to find a
20:59
load of stuff in the description. You're
21:00
going to find all the stuff about the
21:01
competitions. You are also going to find
21:04
links to some of those videos I
21:05
mentioned, but you're also going to find
21:06
a link to Eric Sto's channel. And um if
21:10
I could ask you a favor, please go to
21:11
his channel, subscribe to it, and have a
21:14
watch of his telemetry video if you're
21:16
interested in doing that. Um I'm sure he
21:18
would like all the usual sort of stuff
21:19
for likes and comments and all those
21:21
kind of things. So if you could do that
21:22
as well, even just a cheers mate, thank
21:25
you. You know what you've done um in
21:27
terms of, you know, helping my videos
21:28
get better, I'm sure that would be
21:30
really appreciated. So So please um
21:33
please do that for him. That would be
21:34
brilliant. And the final thing I'm going
21:36
to close with is my two trips. Um, I'm
21:39
sure people were aware that I was um was
21:42
trying to get two trips going in
21:44
September once again with Indep. I had a
21:46
recreational trip and a technical trip.
21:48
Unfortunately, I didn't get enough
21:50
people for the technical trip which was
21:51
which was really sad. So, I've had to
21:53
cancel that one. Um, but I am going to
21:55
try and do it again next year. I think
21:57
probably I just didn't give people
21:58
enough notice. And it's always the way
22:00
with technical divers is you fill up
22:02
your calendar. you got loads of stuff
22:05
going on. It's quite difficult to kind
22:06
of flex it around. So, I'm hoping to get
22:08
some some dates for 26 towards the end
22:12
of the year. I will put those dates out
22:14
and hopefully some people will be able
22:15
to come and do some um diving with me in
22:17
Plymouth. Having said that, the
22:19
recreational trip, which is which is
22:22
maybe recreational is the wrong word.
22:23
It's a kind of maximum depth of 40 m
22:26
trip. the the 40 meter trip. We uh look
22:30
as though we've got um a full boat to go
22:32
out for that and there's a load of
22:33
people coming on it and it's going to be
22:35
fantastic. I'm really looking forward to
22:36
meeting all the guys who've registered.
22:38
Unfortunately, I was oversubscribed. So
22:41
um a few people didn't make it on there,
22:44
but if people drop out or whatever, then
22:46
I will obviously be um you know going to
22:48
my reserve. If you're one of those guys,
22:50
I'm really really sorry about it. Um,
22:53
but you know, I can only fit a certain
22:55
number of people on board the boat and I
22:56
drew everyone's name out of the hat to
22:58
make it fair and all those kind of
22:59
things. Um, so but once again that seems
23:03
to be really popular. Um, we've got
23:05
people coming from overseas, quite a few
23:07
people from um a couple of guys from
23:09
Belgium, some guys from the Netherlands,
23:11
um, I think um, a guy from Switzerland
23:14
and then uh, people from around the UK
23:16
as well. So, it's going to be really
23:18
good time uh, good mixture on board the
23:20
boat. September is a great time of year
23:21
for diving in in Plymouth. Fingers
23:24
crossed. And uh so I hope we'll have a
23:27
good time. But as I say, um I I'll be
23:29
putting something online about it. I'll
23:31
be getting some videos, all that kind of
23:32
stuff. And um you know, if you fancy
23:34
doing that, once again, uh I'll be
23:37
hoping to put some dates out for next
23:38
year, but probably not until October.
23:41
That is my update. Um I hope there was
23:45
something in there you found it useful.
23:47
If you uh hopefully the bit about
23:49
planning and dive management that I did
23:51
at the beginning, you'll feel that's a
23:52
that's the right place to do it and you
23:54
didn't. And hopefully everyone hung on
23:55
for the uh for the kind of update of of
23:58
what I'm doing. And hopefully you found
23:59
that interesting as well. And as always,
24:02
you know, it'd be great if you could
24:03
give it a like, this video a like or a
24:08
um other than that, you know, please go
24:10
away and watch some of my other videos
24:12
if you haven't already done so. There's
24:13
a whole load on there. You know, I think
24:15
uh they're all great. Um, it was really
24:17
nice actually. Sorry, I have one thing
24:19
one thing I'm going to finish up with.
24:20
Hopefully um you probably saw that um
24:23
some of the media picked up on my my on
24:26
bad terminology, our discovery of the na
24:29
uh last year. I found the crockery. So
24:32
maybe it was me, but anyway, I found the
24:34
crockery. As a team, we identified the
24:36
na um and you know, the media have been
24:39
really interested in that. So they
24:41
they've run it in in various websites
24:43
and in that kind of stuff. So, that's
24:45
really nice to see and hopefully, as I
24:47
say, um there'll be more of that to come
24:49
this year. Right, and that is me
24:53
definitely finished. I hope you've all
24:55
enjoyed this um this podcast and as I
24:58
say, please go away and watch some my
25:00
videos and I will look forward to
25:01
speaking to you on the next one.