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hey everybody welcome to rocking the
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hey everybody welcome to rocking the
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hey everybody welcome to rocking the code world.net dave
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code world.net dave
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code world.net dave i'm done dave i was thinking about this
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i'm done dave i was thinking about this
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i'm done dave i was thinking about this guitar that i played
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at the conference in india in 2018
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at the conference in india in 2018
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at the conference in india in 2018 and i was thinking you know i haven't
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and i was thinking you know i haven't
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and i was thinking you know i haven't played in a while so i thought i'd show
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played in a while so i thought i'd show
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played in a while so i thought i'd show everybody this really cool
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everybody this really cool
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everybody this really cool led guitar uh that i took to india um
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led guitar uh that i took to india um
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led guitar uh that i took to india um i added the led lights but this guitar
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i added the led lights but this guitar
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i added the led lights but this guitar was actually
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was actually
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was actually uh purchased by um
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uh purchased by um
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uh purchased by um uh grape city for me so i just wanted to
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uh grape city for me so i just wanted to
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uh grape city for me so i just wanted to play it and uh thank great city again
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play it and uh thank great city again
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play it and uh thank great city again and uh i hope i get to play it next time
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and uh i hope i get to play it next time
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and uh i hope i get to play it next time i come to india what do you guys think
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i come to india what do you guys think
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i come to india what do you guys think make a comment
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make a comment
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make a comment um all right
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um all right
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um all right welcome to rock of the code world i hope
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welcome to rock of the code world i hope
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welcome to rock of the code world i hope everybody's doing great
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everybody's doing great
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everybody's doing great um today we have uh steve
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um today we have uh steve
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um today we have uh steve um smith our dallas also known as
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um smith our dallas also known as
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um smith our dallas also known as zardellis uh
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zardellis uh
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zardellis uh founding member of uh nibble pros
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founding member of uh nibble pros
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founding member of uh nibble pros speaking uh will be my guest today
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speaking uh will be my guest today
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speaking uh will be my guest today and like playing guitar before my uh
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and like playing guitar before my uh
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and like playing guitar before my uh session kind of threw me off because now
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session kind of threw me off because now
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session kind of threw me off because now i
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i
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i want to keep playing um
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want to keep playing um
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want to keep playing um anyway he's going to be our guest today
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anyway he's going to be our guest today
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anyway he's going to be our guest today i'm i'm really excited about that
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i'm i'm really excited about that
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i'm i'm really excited about that because
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because
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because i follow him and read his stuff on
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i follow him and read his stuff on
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i follow him and read his stuff on twitter a lot and uh
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twitter a lot and uh
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twitter a lot and uh so it's going to be exciting um
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so it's going to be exciting um
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so it's going to be exciting um you know you know the whole world is
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you know you know the whole world is
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you know you know the whole world is still dealing with this pandemic
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still dealing with this pandemic
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still dealing with this pandemic and uh you know kobe 19 uh pandemic
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and uh you know kobe 19 uh pandemic
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and uh you know kobe 19 uh pandemic and uh you know i just want to
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and uh you know i just want to
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and uh you know i just want to again say that you know india really
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again say that you know india really
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again say that you know india really needs your help right now
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needs your help right now
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needs your help right now um you can go to those links and i
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um you can go to those links and i
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um you can go to those links and i challenge all software developers out
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challenge all software developers out
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challenge all software developers out there to meet my challenge of a hundred
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there to meet my challenge of a hundred
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there to meet my challenge of a hundred dollars
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dollars
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dollars and uh because i know most of you can
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and uh because i know most of you can
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and uh because i know most of you can afford it and uh so
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afford it and uh so
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afford it and uh so i hope you'll please go to those links
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i hope you'll please go to those links
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i hope you'll please go to those links and you know donate
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and you know donate
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and you know donate as much as you can because they are
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as much as you can because they are
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as much as you can because they are still in a bad problem and
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still in a bad problem and
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still in a bad problem and you know this is not a india problem
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you know this is not a india problem
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you know this is not a india problem this is a world
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this is a world
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this is a world problem that we need to fix and the only
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problem that we need to fix and the only
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problem that we need to fix and the only way to do that
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way to do that
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way to do that is to get them you know get them help
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is to get them you know get them help
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is to get them you know get them help and get them vaccines
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and get them vaccines
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and get them vaccines and you know i looked up the stats last
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and you know i looked up the stats last
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and you know i looked up the stats last this morning
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this morning
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this morning and yesterday india had 1183 deaths
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and yesterday india had 1183 deaths
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and yesterday india had 1183 deaths compared to america we had 451
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compared to america we had 451
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compared to america we had 451 but the the bad the really bad news with
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but the the bad the really bad news with
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but the the bad the really bad news with india is that they only had 3.99
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india is that they only had 3.99
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india is that they only had 3.99 um vaccinated where we have 46
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um vaccinated where we have 46
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um vaccinated where we have 46 vaccinated
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vaccinated
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vaccinated and uh so they're still in
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and uh so they're still in
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and uh so they're still in a problem and you know the indian
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a problem and you know the indian
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a problem and you know the indian variant is now really strong here in
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variant is now really strong here in
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variant is now really strong here in america
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america
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america and some of our numbers are actually
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and some of our numbers are actually
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and some of our numbers are actually going up because of it
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going up because of it
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going up because of it so those of you especially in america
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so those of you especially in america
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so those of you especially in america who are
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who are
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who are are not getting vaccinated uh
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are not getting vaccinated uh
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are not getting vaccinated uh come come to my place so i can slap you
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come come to my place so i can slap you
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come come to my place so i can slap you upside the head because you know we're
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upside the head because you know we're
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upside the head because you know we're not going to get rid of this until
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not going to get rid of this until
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not going to get rid of this until you know we get hurt immunity in the
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you know we get hurt immunity in the
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you know we get hurt immunity in the whole world
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whole world
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whole world so um you know please get vaccinated
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so um you know please get vaccinated
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so um you know please get vaccinated please stay safe
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please stay safe
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please stay safe and please donate to that link there so
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and please donate to that link there so
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and please donate to that link there so we can get some more support for india
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we can get some more support for india
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we can get some more support for india i i will greatly appreciate it and so
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i i will greatly appreciate it and so
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i i will greatly appreciate it and so will
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will
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will all of our indian friends too because
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all of our indian friends too because
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all of our indian friends too because we've been losing people
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we've been losing people
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we've been losing people that um uh right on c-sharp corner and
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that um uh right on c-sharp corner and
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that um uh right on c-sharp corner and we're losing people who are members of
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we're losing people who are members of
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we're losing people who are members of c-sharp corner and i don't like seeing
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c-sharp corner and i don't like seeing
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c-sharp corner and i don't like seeing that
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that
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that so anyway um
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so anyway um
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so anyway um i also want to plug again i plugged it
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i also want to plug again i plugged it
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i also want to plug again i plugged it on the conference last week um the hello
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on the conference last week um the hello
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on the conference last week um the hello world cookbook
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world cookbook
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world cookbook uh those of you who are out there who
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uh those of you who are out there who
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uh those of you who are out there who can cook or maybe your wife can cook and
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can cook or maybe your wife can cook and
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can cook or maybe your wife can cook and you can submit the recipes
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you can submit the recipes
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you can submit the recipes or vice versa if your husband cooks and
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or vice versa if your husband cooks and
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or vice versa if your husband cooks and you want to submit the recipes
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you want to submit the recipes
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you want to submit the recipes please please submit your recipes now
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please please submit your recipes now
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please please submit your recipes now because if i don't get enough recipes by
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because if i don't get enough recipes by
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because if i don't get enough recipes by october this
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october this
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october this project is dead and uh
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project is dead and uh
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project is dead and uh and i want to you know fill it with
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and i want to you know fill it with
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and i want to you know fill it with recipes from technical people just like
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recipes from technical people just like
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recipes from technical people just like you and me
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you and me
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you and me um and 100 of the proceeds of the ebook
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um and 100 of the proceeds of the ebook
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um and 100 of the proceeds of the ebook and everything else will go to the voice
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and everything else will go to the voice
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and everything else will go to the voice of slum ngo in india
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of slum ngo in india
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of slum ngo in india um every month because i've been
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um every month because i've been
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um every month because i've been donating
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donating
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donating you know i've been donating all the
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you know i've been donating all the
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you know i've been donating all the money from one of my books to the voice
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money from one of my books to the voice
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money from one of my books to the voice of slum every month too
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of slum every month too
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of slum every month too and uh this is just another way because
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and uh this is just another way because
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and uh this is just another way because i think this will be more popular in my
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i think this will be more popular in my
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i think this will be more popular in my books
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books
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books so please please please go to
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so please please please go to
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so please please please go to helloworldcookbook.com
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helloworldcookbook.com
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helloworldcookbook.com donate your recipes if you don't want to
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donate your recipes if you don't want to
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donate your recipes if you don't want to donate you can sign up to be a unit
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donate you can sign up to be a unit
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donate you can sign up to be a unit tester to test the recipes because i
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tester to test the recipes because i
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tester to test the recipes because i can't test the recipes that have gluten
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can't test the recipes that have gluten
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can't test the recipes that have gluten in it so
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in it so
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in it so i need people to help me to test the
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i need people to help me to test the
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i need people to help me to test the recipes and i also need editors and i
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recipes and i also need editors and i
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recipes and i also need editors and i need a graphic artist
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need a graphic artist
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need a graphic artist to um for the book cover and things like
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to um for the book cover and things like
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to um for the book cover and things like that so
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that so
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that so please please help this project of mine
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please please help this project of mine
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please please help this project of mine because i don't want to see it
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because i don't want to see it
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because i don't want to see it i don't want to see it die okay
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i don't want to see it die okay
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i don't want to see it die okay wow that's it already so i'm going to
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wow that's it already so i'm going to
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wow that's it already so i'm going to welcome
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welcome
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welcome steve smith is an entrepreneur and
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steve smith is an entrepreneur and
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steve smith is an entrepreneur and software architect developer and trainer
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software architect developer and trainer
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software architect developer and trainer steve's firm nibble pros provides
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steve's firm nibble pros provides
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steve's firm nibble pros provides companies with the resources of training
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companies with the resources of training
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companies with the resources of training the need to deliver better software
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the need to deliver better software
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the need to deliver better software faster avoiding the trap about
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faster avoiding the trap about
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faster avoiding the trap about out of control debt steve has published
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out of control debt steve has published
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out of control debt steve has published many courses on pluralsight
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many courses on pluralsight
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many courses on pluralsight and has written a number of books and
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and has written a number of books and
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and has written a number of books and maintains dozens of new good packages
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maintains dozens of new good packages
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maintains dozens of new good packages you can find them on that link there
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you can find them on that link there
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you can find them on that link there and i'm sure he'll plug some other stuff
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and i'm sure he'll plug some other stuff
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and i'm sure he'll plug some other stuff later so welcome steve
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later so welcome steve
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later so welcome steve hi thanks for having me how's it going
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hi thanks for having me how's it going
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hi thanks for having me how's it going great
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great
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great so where do you live i'm in northeast
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so where do you live i'm in northeast
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so where do you live i'm in northeast ohio near lake erie
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ohio near lake erie
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ohio near lake erie cool how's the weather there today it's
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cool how's the weather there today it's
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cool how's the weather there today it's really hot today it's like 88 degrees
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really hot today it's like 88 degrees
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really hot today it's like 88 degrees and
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and
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and 80 humidity yeah yeah you guys are being
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80 humidity yeah yeah you guys are being
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80 humidity yeah yeah you guys are being hit with that
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hit with that
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hit with that uh heat wave right yeah tomorrow it's
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uh heat wave right yeah tomorrow it's
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uh heat wave right yeah tomorrow it's supposed to be even warmer supposed to
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supposed to be even warmer supposed to
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supposed to be even warmer supposed to be in the 90s
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be in the 90s
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be in the 90s yeah but it's it's all right i like it
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yeah but it's it's all right i like it
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yeah but it's it's all right i like it hot rather than cold and no hybrid
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hot rather than cold and no hybrid
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hot rather than cold and no hybrid gets both extremes so yeah yeah well all
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gets both extremes so yeah yeah well all
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gets both extremes so yeah yeah well all of you out there that don't want to deal
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of you out there that don't want to deal
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of you out there that don't want to deal with the heat
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with the heat
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with the heat come to san diego because it's never hot
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come to san diego because it's never hot
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come to san diego because it's never hot here so right is there cold it's never
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here so right is there cold it's never
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here so right is there cold it's never hot it's always just never hot never
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hot it's always just never hot never
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hot it's always just never hot never cold
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cold
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cold yeah it's 72 degrees most of the year
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yeah it's 72 degrees most of the year
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yeah it's 72 degrees most of the year and
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and
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and especially where i live by the beach
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especially where i live by the beach
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especially where i live by the beach it's it's pretty much 72 all year pretty
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it's it's pretty much 72 all year pretty
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it's it's pretty much 72 all year pretty much
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much
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much yeah but if i had a shack next to the
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yeah but if i had a shack next to the
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yeah but if i had a shack next to the beach in san diego i could have a
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beach in san diego i could have a
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beach in san diego i could have a mansion in ohio
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mansion in ohio
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mansion in ohio so that's the difference since the cost
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so that's the difference since the cost
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so that's the difference since the cost of living in real estate
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of living in real estate
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of living in real estate that's true my my place is pretty
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that's true my my place is pretty
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that's true my my place is pretty freaking expensive you know
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freaking expensive you know
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freaking expensive you know and uh i live about a mile from the
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and uh i live about a mile from the
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and uh i live about a mile from the beach uh but yeah it's
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beach uh but yeah it's
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beach uh but yeah it's pretty dang expensive but uh i love
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pretty dang expensive but uh i love
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pretty dang expensive but uh i love living by the beach i love the
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living by the beach i love the
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living by the beach i love the you know the water nearby you know it
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you know the water nearby you know it
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you know the water nearby you know it makes for you know nicer air quality
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makes for you know nicer air quality
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makes for you know nicer air quality and you know things like that so i was
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and you know things like that so i was
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and you know things like that so i was uh
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uh
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uh i saw your stuff at the cookbook at the
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i saw your stuff at the cookbook at the
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i saw your stuff at the cookbook at the conference previously and then just now
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conference previously and then just now
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conference previously and then just now um did you see the uh the net developers
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um did you see the uh the net developers
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um did you see the uh the net developers can cook
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can cook
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can cook cookbooks that came out a few years ago
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cookbooks that came out a few years ago
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cookbooks that came out a few years ago i basically stole their idea basically
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i basically stole their idea basically
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i basically stole their idea basically yeah um right so i was just wondering
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yeah um right so i was just wondering
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yeah um right so i was just wondering since you were talking about trying to
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since you were talking about trying to
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since you were talking about trying to get some help to make it happen have you
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get some help to make it happen have you
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get some help to make it happen have you thought about having some of your
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thought about having some of your
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thought about having some of your sponsors
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sponsors
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sponsors help with that because i think um you
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help with that because i think um you
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help with that because i think um you know that that one was all put together
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know that that one was all put together
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know that that one was all put together by component vendors
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by component vendors
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by component vendors yeah um well that was put by a grape
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yeah um well that was put by a grape
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yeah um well that was put by a grape city
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city
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city and i couldn't i know you have a
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and i couldn't i know you have a
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and i couldn't i know you have a relationship with them i do
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relationship with them i do
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relationship with them i do and i could've sworn i talked to him
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and i could've sworn i talked to him
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and i could've sworn i talked to him about it but let me let me hit him up
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about it but let me let me hit him up
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about it but let me let me hit him up again
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again
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again um but yeah i i definitely maybe we can
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um but yeah i i definitely maybe we can
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um but yeah i i definitely maybe we can just steal all those recipes
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just steal all those recipes
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just steal all those recipes yeah there you go do a greatest hits
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yeah there you go do a greatest hits
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yeah there you go do a greatest hits cookbook
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cookbook
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cookbook you know with some old favorites and
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you know with some old favorites and
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you know with some old favorites and some new ones yeah yeah you know i've
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some new ones yeah yeah you know i've
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some new ones yeah yeah you know i've been
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been
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been you know i've been uh cooking since i
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you know i've been uh cooking since i
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you know i've been uh cooking since i was a teenager you know and
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was a teenager you know and
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was a teenager you know and and i was even you know at 18 years old
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and i was even you know at 18 years old
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and i was even you know at 18 years old i was a
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i was a
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i was a um cook at an italian restaurant and so
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um cook at an italian restaurant and so
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um cook at an italian restaurant and so i think i've been cooking my whole life
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i think i've been cooking my whole life
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i think i've been cooking my whole life you know when i was married i was the
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you know when i was married i was the
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you know when i was married i was the cook you know
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cook you know
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cook you know uh when i have girlfriends i'm the cook
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uh when i have girlfriends i'm the cook
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uh when i have girlfriends i'm the cook usually and so
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usually and so
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usually and so um i love cooking for someone i don't
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um i love cooking for someone i don't
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um i love cooking for someone i don't necessarily like cooking for myself
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necessarily like cooking for myself
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necessarily like cooking for myself right it's a lot of work but it's just
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right it's a lot of work but it's just
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right it's a lot of work but it's just you yeah yeah um
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you yeah yeah um
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you yeah yeah um hey uh uh simon do you know where that
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hey uh uh simon do you know where that
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hey uh uh simon do you know where that echo is coming from
9:57
echo is coming from
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echo is coming from maybe on my side do i have an echo i
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maybe on my side do i have an echo i
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maybe on my side do i have an echo i don't have any help
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don't have any help
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don't have any help i hear a neckline i don't hear an echo
10:04
i hear a neckline i don't hear an echo
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i hear a neckline i don't hear an echo my ears are sensitive then i guess i
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my ears are sensitive then i guess i
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my ears are sensitive then i guess i don't know okay if no one's hearing it
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don't know okay if no one's hearing it
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don't know okay if no one's hearing it then i'm good
10:08
then i'm good
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then i'm good it's just me i guess all right i tried
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it's just me i guess all right i tried
10:11
it's just me i guess all right i tried meeting my mic for a couple seconds to
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meeting my mic for a couple seconds to
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meeting my mic for a couple seconds to get
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get
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get better here i'll do it again you try and
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better here i'll do it again you try and
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better here i'll do it again you try and talk hello hello
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talk hello hello
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talk hello hello yep it went away all right well maybe
10:19
yep it went away all right well maybe
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yep it went away all right well maybe it's me i'll tell you i'll turn my
10:20
it's me i'll tell you i'll turn my
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it's me i'll tell you i'll turn my volume down and maybe it's bleeding
10:21
volume down and maybe it's bleeding
10:21
volume down and maybe it's bleeding through the headphones yeah maybe
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hey how's that sorry i'm a musician i'm
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hey how's that sorry i'm a musician i'm
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hey how's that sorry i'm a musician i'm picky about sound you know it's
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picky about sound you know it's
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picky about sound you know it's that's better yeah all right cool um
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that's better yeah all right cool um
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that's better yeah all right cool um so uh let's let's get into what we want
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so uh let's let's get into what we want
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so uh let's let's get into what we want to talk about so
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to talk about so
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to talk about so we got three topics here and i was
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we got three topics here and i was
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we got three topics here and i was looking at the first one today which i
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looking at the first one today which i
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looking at the first one today which i think is pretty good to start off with
10:44
think is pretty good to start off with
10:44
think is pretty good to start off with uh especially because i was actually
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uh especially because i was actually
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uh especially because i was actually asked a question like this during an
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asked a question like this during an
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asked a question like this during an interview today
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interview today
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interview today um oh speaking of interviews i you know
10:51
um oh speaking of interviews i you know
10:51
um oh speaking of interviews i you know i looked into your blog today i go how
10:53
i looked into your blog today i go how
10:53
i looked into your blog today i go how do i get a gig like yours
10:54
do i get a gig like yours
10:54
do i get a gig like yours you know just like training and
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you know just like training and
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you know just like training and pearlside and
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pearlside and
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pearlside and that's what i want to do it uh you know
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that's what i want to do it uh you know
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that's what i want to do it uh you know it takes years to become an overnight
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it takes years to become an overnight
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it takes years to become an overnight success
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success
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success you know yeah yeah i've been doing
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you know yeah yeah i've been doing
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you know yeah yeah i've been doing pluralsight since 2010 so yeah
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pluralsight since 2010 so yeah
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pluralsight since 2010 so yeah yeah it's a long grind yeah yeah
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yeah it's a long grind yeah yeah
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yeah it's a long grind yeah yeah i'm gonna hit them up again the last
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i'm gonna hit them up again the last
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i'm gonna hit them up again the last time i talked to them about
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time i talked to them about
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time i talked to them about you know doing uh like code quality uh
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you know doing uh like code quality uh
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you know doing uh like code quality uh you know training they weren't that
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you know training they weren't that
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you know training they weren't that interested in it so
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interested in it so
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interested in it so they've got a lot of people trying to do
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they've got a lot of people trying to do
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they've got a lot of people trying to do that including me and it's it's tough
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that including me and it's it's tough
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that including me and it's it's tough yeah yeah so that's the biggest problem
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yeah yeah so that's the biggest problem
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yeah yeah so that's the biggest problem with pluralsight right now as an author
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with pluralsight right now as an author
11:27
with pluralsight right now as an author is finding a
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is finding a
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is finding a niche that is right so right right
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niche that is right so right right
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niche that is right so right right yeah so well let's talk about clean
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yeah so well let's talk about clean
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yeah so well let's talk about clean architecture because someone asked me
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architecture because someone asked me
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architecture because someone asked me about
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about
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about you know different architectural
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you know different architectural
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you know different architectural patterns and things like that so
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patterns and things like that so
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patterns and things like that so um so for everybody out there especially
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um so for everybody out there especially
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um so for everybody out there especially because we have a
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because we have a
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because we have a you know more younger you know crowd for
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you know more younger you know crowd for
11:44
you know more younger you know crowd for the show um
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the show um
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the show um what is clean architecture to you to me
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what is clean architecture to you to me
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what is clean architecture to you to me clean architecture
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clean architecture
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clean architecture is architecture that's set up to follow
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is architecture that's set up to follow
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is architecture that's set up to follow the
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the
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the solid principles primarily and the most
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solid principles primarily and the most
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solid principles primarily and the most important
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important
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important one that it that it relates to is the
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one that it that it relates to is the
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one that it that it relates to is the dependency inversion principle
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dependency inversion principle
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dependency inversion principle and the thing it's trying to do is
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and the thing it's trying to do is
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and the thing it's trying to do is make it so that your code is not
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make it so that your code is not
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make it so that your code is not depending on the infrastructure on which
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depending on the infrastructure on which
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depending on the infrastructure on which it's running
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it's running
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it's running so for a lot of applications especially
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so for a lot of applications especially
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so for a lot of applications especially traditional.net apps
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traditional.net apps
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traditional.net apps you would generally have a database and
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you would generally have a database and
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you would generally have a database and somewhere in your code you would talk to
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somewhere in your code you would talk to
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somewhere in your code you would talk to that database right maybe you're using
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that database right maybe you're using
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that database right maybe you're using ado.net maybe more recently you're using
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ado.net maybe more recently you're using
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ado.net maybe more recently you're using entity framework and anywhere you need
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entity framework and anywhere you need
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entity framework and anywhere you need data you would just say
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data you would just say
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data you would just say i'm going to new up my data access layer
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i'm going to new up my data access layer
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i'm going to new up my data access layer class or i'm going to new up a db
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class or i'm going to new up a db
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class or i'm going to new up a db context
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context
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context and then go get the data i need um and
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and then go get the data i need um and
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and then go get the data i need um and new
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new
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new as a keyword is glue right anywhere in
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as a keyword is glue right anywhere in
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as a keyword is glue right anywhere in your code you see new you think new is
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your code you see new you think new is
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your code you see new you think new is glue it's gluing you to
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glue it's gluing you to
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glue it's gluing you to that implementation and so in this case
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that implementation and so in this case
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that implementation and so in this case it's gluing you to the database and it's
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it's gluing you to the database and it's
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it's gluing you to the database and it's gluing you to entity framework
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gluing you to entity framework
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gluing you to entity framework um and that makes it really hard for you
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um and that makes it really hard for you
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um and that makes it really hard for you to later unit test or change
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to later unit test or change
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to later unit test or change your implementation details so uh clean
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your implementation details so uh clean
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your implementation details so uh clean architecture
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architecture
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architecture follows the dependency inversion
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follows the dependency inversion
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follows the dependency inversion principle which is the d in solid
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principle which is the d in solid
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principle which is the d in solid and it flips that on its head so instead
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and it flips that on its head so instead
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and it flips that on its head so instead of saying my business logic the most
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of saying my business logic the most
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of saying my business logic the most important part of my application
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important part of my application
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important part of my application depends on my data access layer my
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depends on my data access layer my
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depends on my data access layer my entity my orm whatever that might be
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entity my orm whatever that might be
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entity my orm whatever that might be which depends on the database now it's
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which depends on the database now it's
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which depends on the database now it's my business layer defines
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my business layer defines
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my business layer defines some contracts that describe how it's
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some contracts that describe how it's
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some contracts that describe how it's going to get its data
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going to get its data
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going to get its data and then i can plug in my you know
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and then i can plug in my you know
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and then i can plug in my you know repository or my db context my data
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repository or my db context my data
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repository or my db context my data access layer dapper whatever it is
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access layer dapper whatever it is
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access layer dapper whatever it is and have it implement that contract and
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and have it implement that contract and
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and have it implement that contract and then get the data so
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then get the data so
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then get the data so it really just inverts those
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it really just inverts those
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it really just inverts those dependencies and makes it so it's very
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dependencies and makes it so it's very
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dependencies and makes it so it's very difficult
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difficult
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difficult for your business logic to uh depend on
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for your business logic to uh depend on
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for your business logic to uh depend on the implementation details
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the implementation details
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the implementation details right and so quickly explain what solid
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right and so quickly explain what solid
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right and so quickly explain what solid means for everybody else sure so
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means for everybody else sure so
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means for everybody else sure so so solid is a an acronym or even a
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so solid is a an acronym or even a
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so solid is a an acronym or even a macronym because it's an acronym of
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macronym because it's an acronym of
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macronym because it's an acronym of acronyms
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acronyms
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acronyms um and so the s is srp
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um and so the s is srp
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um and so the s is srp which is the single responsibility
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which is the single responsibility
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which is the single responsibility principle briefly it means classes
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principle briefly it means classes
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principle briefly it means classes should be focused on doing one thing
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should be focused on doing one thing
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should be focused on doing one thing right uh o is the open close principle
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right uh o is the open close principle
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right uh o is the open close principle or ocp
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or ocp
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or ocp and that means that you should be able
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and that means that you should be able
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and that means that you should be able to change how your classes
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to change how your classes
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to change how your classes behave or even methods without having to
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behave or even methods without having to
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behave or even methods without having to actually change the source code and then
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actually change the source code and then
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actually change the source code and then recompile them
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recompile them
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recompile them and generally the way you do that is by
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and generally the way you do that is by
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and generally the way you do that is by injecting something into it
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injecting something into it
13:59
injecting something into it you know it could be as easy with a
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you know it could be as easy with a
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you know it could be as easy with a method as just passing in a parameter
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method as just passing in a parameter
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method as just passing in a parameter uh and that'll let that methods behavior
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uh and that'll let that methods behavior
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uh and that'll let that methods behavior change now based on that parameter
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change now based on that parameter
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change now based on that parameter and you can follow that same logic with
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and you can follow that same logic with
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and you can follow that same logic with whole classes where usually when you're
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whole classes where usually when you're
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whole classes where usually when you're passing in the parameter it's to the
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passing in the parameter it's to the
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passing in the parameter it's to the constructor
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constructor
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constructor and that changes how that class will
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and that changes how that class will
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and that changes how that class will behave right then the l
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behave right then the l
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behave right then the l is lsp which is liskov substitution
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is lsp which is liskov substitution
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is lsp which is liskov substitution principle
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principle
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principle and that just means that when you have
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and that just means that when you have
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and that just means that when you have child classes they should be
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child classes they should be
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child classes they should be substitutable for
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substitutable for
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substitutable for their base classes and anywhere that
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their base classes and anywhere that
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their base classes and anywhere that that's not true it can cause problems in
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that's not true it can cause problems in
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that's not true it can cause problems in your system
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your system
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your system and then the i is isp which stands for
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and then the i is isp which stands for
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and then the i is isp which stands for interface segregation principle
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interface segregation principle
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interface segregation principle and in a nutshell that goes really
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and in a nutshell that goes really
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and in a nutshell that goes really closely with single responsibility it
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closely with single responsibility it
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closely with single responsibility it means
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means
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means your interfaces should be small and
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your interfaces should be small and
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your interfaces should be small and cohesive not
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cohesive not
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cohesive not large and do everything and then the
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large and do everything and then the
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large and do everything and then the last one is d which we already mentioned
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last one is d which we already mentioned
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last one is d which we already mentioned that's the dependency inversion
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that's the dependency inversion
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that's the dependency inversion principle
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principle
14:45
principle and that says that your higher level
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and that says that your higher level
14:47
and that says that your higher level code should not depend on lower level
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code should not depend on lower level
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code should not depend on lower level code
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code
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code uh instead it should depend on
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uh instead it should depend on
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uh instead it should depend on abstractions and your low level details
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abstractions and your low level details
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abstractions and your low level details shouldn't depend or you're sorry your
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shouldn't depend or you're sorry your
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shouldn't depend or you're sorry your abstraction shouldn't depend on low
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abstraction shouldn't depend on low
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abstraction shouldn't depend on low level details but the other way around
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level details but the other way around
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level details but the other way around your um low level details should depend
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your um low level details should depend
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your um low level details should depend on your abstractions
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on your abstractions
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on your abstractions now that kind of requires you to define
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now that kind of requires you to define
15:03
now that kind of requires you to define what high level and low level means
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what high level and low level means
15:05
what high level and low level means a lot of us just kind of you know know
15:07
a lot of us just kind of you know know
15:07
a lot of us just kind of you know know it but if you don't know the difference
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it but if you don't know the difference
15:09
it but if you don't know the difference the difference is
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the difference is
15:10
the difference is high level code is more abstract it's
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high level code is more abstract it's
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high level code is more abstract it's not as close to
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not as close to
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not as close to uh some type of input device or output
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uh some type of input device or output
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uh some type of input device or output device
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device
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device uh so it's going to be things like
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uh so it's going to be things like
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uh so it's going to be things like business rules right i have a customer
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business rules right i have a customer
15:20
business rules right i have a customer and a customer has an address
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and a customer has an address
15:22
and a customer has an address now it doesn't say anything about where
15:24
now it doesn't say anything about where
15:24
now it doesn't say anything about where that's stored or how it's displayed or
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that's stored or how it's displayed or
15:26
that's stored or how it's displayed or anything like that
15:27
anything like that
15:27
anything like that low level code is i need to write a line
15:30
low level code is i need to write a line
15:30
low level code is i need to write a line to a text file using this encoding
15:32
to a text file using this encoding
15:32
to a text file using this encoding right that's very low level and it's
15:33
right that's very low level and it's
15:33
right that's very low level and it's talking to something through input
15:35
talking to something through input
15:35
talking to something through input output
15:35
output
15:36
output or i need to display these pixels on the
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or i need to display these pixels on the
15:38
or i need to display these pixels on the screen right now it's it's concerned
15:39
screen right now it's it's concerned
15:39
screen right now it's it's concerned with the screen right
15:40
with the screen right
15:40
with the screen right it's again close to the input output um
15:43
it's again close to the input output um
15:43
it's again close to the input output um and so you want your high level code
15:45
and so you want your high level code
15:45
and so you want your high level code to be not dependent upon all of that low
15:47
to be not dependent upon all of that low
15:47
to be not dependent upon all of that low level stuff you want the low level stuff
15:49
level stuff you want the low level stuff
15:49
level stuff you want the low level stuff to depend on the high level
15:50
to depend on the high level
15:50
to depend on the high level yeah um so
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yeah um so
15:54
yeah um so explaining all that and kind of maybe
15:56
explaining all that and kind of maybe
15:56
explaining all that and kind of maybe tying it back to
15:57
tying it back to
15:57
tying it back to asp.net um well first
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asp.net um well first
16:00
asp.net um well first you know so when you're talking about
16:02
you know so when you're talking about
16:02
you know so when you're talking about contracts you know
16:03
contracts you know
16:04
contracts you know what what's a contract to you is that an
16:05
what what's a contract to you is that an
16:05
what what's a contract to you is that an interface or an abstract class or
16:08
interface or an abstract class or
16:08
interface or an abstract class or it could be either in.net usually when
16:10
it could be either in.net usually when
16:10
it could be either in.net usually when we talk about an abstraction or a
16:11
we talk about an abstraction or a
16:11
we talk about an abstraction or a contract we're usually talking about an
16:13
contract we're usually talking about an
16:13
contract we're usually talking about an interface
16:13
interface
16:13
interface you would prefer to use interfaces most
16:15
you would prefer to use interfaces most
16:15
you would prefer to use interfaces most of the time because they're lighter
16:17
of the time because they're lighter
16:17
of the time because they're lighter weight than an abstract based class
16:19
weight than an abstract based class
16:19
weight than an abstract based class and you can have multiple interfaces
16:22
and you can have multiple interfaces
16:22
and you can have multiple interfaces attached to a class whereas you only get
16:23
attached to a class whereas you only get
16:23
attached to a class whereas you only get one
16:24
one
16:24
one base class because we only have single
16:25
base class because we only have single
16:25
base class because we only have single object inheritance yeah
16:27
object inheritance yeah
16:27
object inheritance yeah so are you using the new feature uh with
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so are you using the new feature uh with
16:30
so are you using the new feature uh with um
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um
16:31
um uh interfaces where you can actually put
16:33
uh interfaces where you can actually put
16:33
uh interfaces where you can actually put methods in it the default
16:34
methods in it the default
16:34
methods in it the default implementations yeah i have not found a
16:36
implementations yeah i have not found a
16:36
implementations yeah i have not found a good use for that yet uh i'm not a huge
16:39
good use for that yet uh i'm not a huge
16:39
good use for that yet uh i'm not a huge fan of that feature
16:40
fan of that feature
16:40
fan of that feature yet um i'm sure i'm sure there's reasons
16:42
yet um i'm sure i'm sure there's reasons
16:42
yet um i'm sure i'm sure there's reasons to use it and
16:43
to use it and
16:43
to use it and i've heard some reasons would be like if
16:44
i've heard some reasons would be like if
16:44
i've heard some reasons would be like if you have a large framework or you're
16:46
you have a large framework or you're
16:46
you have a large framework or you're depending on a large framework and you
16:47
depending on a large framework and you
16:47
depending on a large framework and you want to
16:48
want to
16:48
want to add some feature without breaking
16:49
add some feature without breaking
16:50
add some feature without breaking everything that's already there you
16:51
everything that's already there you
16:51
everything that's already there you could add it
16:52
could add it
16:52
could add it uh i'm not in that position so i haven't
16:54
uh i'm not in that position so i haven't
16:54
uh i'm not in that position so i haven't seen that value
16:55
seen that value
16:55
seen that value uh for me what it mostly does that
16:57
uh for me what it mostly does that
16:57
uh for me what it mostly does that muddies the waters
16:58
muddies the waters
16:58
muddies the waters for developers when you're trying to
16:59
for developers when you're trying to
16:59
for developers when you're trying to explain well what's the difference
17:00
explain well what's the difference
17:00
explain well what's the difference between an interface an abstract based
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between an interface an abstract based
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between an interface an abstract based class when would you use which one
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class when would you use which one
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class when would you use which one it's like well i'd use an abstract base
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it's like well i'd use an abstract base
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it's like well i'd use an abstract base class when i want to provide a default
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class when i want to provide a default
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class when i want to provide a default implementation and they're like right
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implementation and they're like right
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implementation and they're like right but i could do that with an interface
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but i could do that with an interface
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but i could do that with an interface now like
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now like
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now like now i have to explain it differently
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now i have to explain it differently
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now i have to explain it differently yeah i mean i've
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yeah i mean i've
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yeah i mean i've i've only done it a little bit and you
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i've only done it a little bit and you
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i've only done it a little bit and you know for
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know for
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know for my nougat package that uh generates
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my nougat package that uh generates
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my nougat package that uh generates random data
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random data
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random data you know i have some um base like
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you know i have some um base like
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you know i have some um base like classes in it and stuff and
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classes in it and stuff and
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classes in it and stuff and and one of the things i did it with with
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and one of the things i did it with with
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and one of the things i did it with with it was that you know i have a
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it was that you know i have a
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it was that you know i have a a p a person object right and so
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a p a person object right and so
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a p a person object right and so i did a default implementation basically
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i did a default implementation basically
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i did a default implementation basically that uh
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that uh
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that uh you know takes so a person has a he has
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you know takes so a person has a he has
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you know takes so a person has a he has a has
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a has
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a has when they were born right right then i
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when they were born right right then i
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when they were born right right then i but then i just created a default
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but then i just created a default
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but then i just created a default invitation to say what their age is
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invitation to say what their age is
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invitation to say what their age is right because now now every model has
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right because now now every model has
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right because now now every model has what their age is something right by
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what their age is something right by
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what their age is something right by just calculating it in the default
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just calculating it in the default
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just calculating it in the default method you know sure
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method you know sure
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method you know sure stuff like that you know but but you're
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stuff like that you know but but you're
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stuff like that you know but but you're right you know it's
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right you know it's
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right you know it's that could really muddy the waters and i
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that could really muddy the waters and i
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that could really muddy the waters and i you know i
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you know i
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you know i i know a lot of probably beginner
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i know a lot of probably beginner
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i know a lot of probably beginner programmers
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programmers
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programmers have a hard time knowing the difference
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have a hard time knowing the difference
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have a hard time knowing the difference between an interface and abstract class
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between an interface and abstract class
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between an interface and abstract class and
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and
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and and and i've experienced that and
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and and i've experienced that and
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and and i've experienced that and it was really funny i was on an
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it was really funny i was on an
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it was really funny i was on an interview yesterday and they asked me
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interview yesterday and they asked me
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interview yesterday and they asked me that question and i was going
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that question and i was going
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that question and i was going are you kidding me
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are you kidding me
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are you kidding me [Laughter]
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[Laughter]
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[Laughter] you obviously didn't research who i am
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that's going i i even told them you know
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that's going i i even told them you know
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that's going i i even told them you know i teach this in college
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i teach this in college
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i teach this in college so here's the answer nice
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so here's the answer nice
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so here's the answer nice tell them come take my class and you can
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tell them come take my class and you can
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tell them come take my class and you can find out how i explain it i don't give
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find out how i explain it i don't give
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find out how i explain it i don't give that away for free
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that away for free
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that away for free i thought it was funny i was going
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i thought it was funny i was going
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i thought it was funny i was going really because most people when you know
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really because most people when you know
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really because most people when you know they meet me and they go and they look
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they meet me and they go and they look
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they meet me and they go and they look at my name and i go
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at my name and i go
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at my name and i go oh never mind we're not going to give
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oh never mind we're not going to give
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oh never mind we're not going to give you a test
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you a test
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you a test [Laughter]
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so they can google you and find out that
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so they can google you and find out that
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so they can google you and find out that you know what you're talking about right
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you know what you're talking about right
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you know what you're talking about right exactly yeah that's that's important i
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exactly yeah that's that's important i
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exactly yeah that's that's important i mean that's why
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mean that's why
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mean that's why personal branding is a big deal because
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personal branding is a big deal because
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personal branding is a big deal because you can you can go
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you can you can go
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you can you can go through a lot of gates in in your career
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through a lot of gates in in your career
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through a lot of gates in in your career uh if you have
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uh if you have
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uh if you have a personal brand in the form of a blog
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a personal brand in the form of a blog
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a personal brand in the form of a blog social media preference get
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social media preference get
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social media preference get presents uh github etc i i talk a lot
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presents uh github etc i i talk a lot
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presents uh github etc i i talk a lot about that in my devbetter
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about that in my devbetter
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about that in my devbetter coaching group that i have um and and we
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coaching group that i have um and and we
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coaching group that i have um and and we are
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are
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are you know there's about a dozen folks in
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you know there's about a dozen folks in
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you know there's about a dozen folks in the in the group and i'm basically
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the in the group and i'm basically
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the in the group and i'm basically trying to help them
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trying to help them
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trying to help them find better opportunities get better
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find better opportunities get better
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find better opportunities get better jobs you know get better contracts and
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jobs you know get better contracts and
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jobs you know get better contracts and you know that that's a big part of it
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you know that that's a big part of it
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you know that that's a big part of it what you just described that's what you
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what you just described that's what you
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what you just described that's what you want yeah
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want yeah
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want yeah because because there's all kinds of
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because because there's all kinds of
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because because there's all kinds of resources out there like well how do i
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resources out there like well how do i
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resources out there like well how do i interview how do i get a job at facebook
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interview how do i get a job at facebook
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interview how do i get a job at facebook how do i what are the tricks to get past
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how do i what are the tricks to get past
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how do i what are the tricks to get past the interview it's like
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the interview it's like
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the interview it's like the biggest trick is that they come to
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the biggest trick is that they come to
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the biggest trick is that they come to you right they don't even they're not
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you right they don't even they're not
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you right they don't even they're not you know
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you know
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you know running you through the you know here's
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running you through the you know here's
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running you through the you know here's a thousand resumes and how do you make
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a thousand resumes and how do you make
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a thousand resumes and how do you make the cut
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the cut
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the cut like no you build yourself up with a
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like no you build yourself up with a
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like no you build yourself up with a reputation so they call you
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reputation so they call you
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reputation so they call you and they say we want you yeah that's
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and they say we want you yeah that's
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and they say we want you yeah that's that's true you know and
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that's true you know and
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that's true you know and that hasn't happened a lot to me you
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that hasn't happened a lot to me you
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that hasn't happened a lot to me you know since the internet bubble burst but
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know since the internet bubble burst but
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know since the internet bubble burst but you know because back then i didn't even
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you know because back then i didn't even
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you know because back then i didn't even really interview all i did was
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really interview all i did was
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really interview all i did was negotiate money right you know that was
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negotiate money right you know that was
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negotiate money right you know that was it you know
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it you know
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it you know and like and there are certainly a lot
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and like and there are certainly a lot
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and like and there are certainly a lot more developers now than there were yeah
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more developers now than there were yeah
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more developers now than there were yeah right it's doubling every five years and
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right it's doubling every five years and
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right it's doubling every five years and actually it's going to catch up to
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actually it's going to catch up to
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actually it's going to catch up to demand but we're not there yet so yeah i
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demand but we're not there yet so yeah i
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demand but we're not there yet so yeah i know
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know
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know the economy is still strong yeah so uh
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the economy is still strong yeah so uh
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the economy is still strong yeah so uh so so you know talk about clean
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so so you know talk about clean
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so so you know talk about clean architecture and
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architecture and
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architecture and like let's say asp.net core like we have
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like let's say asp.net core like we have
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like let's say asp.net core like we have listed here
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listed here
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listed here um uh i was thinking you know with the
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um uh i was thinking you know with the
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um uh i was thinking you know with the way that
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way that
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way that you know you do clean architecture and
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you know you do clean architecture and
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you know you do clean architecture and asp.net
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asp.net
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asp.net um does that include things like you
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um does that include things like you
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um does that include things like you know using the repository factory or
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know using the repository factory or
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know using the repository factory or upright how do you
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upright how do you
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upright how do you basically i guess what i'm asking is how
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basically i guess what i'm asking is how
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basically i guess what i'm asking is how do you kind of like
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do you kind of like
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do you kind of like set up the architecture for like your
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set up the architecture for like your
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set up the architecture for like your data access and
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data access and
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data access and sure sure um well i'm happy to share my
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sure sure um well i'm happy to share my
20:44
sure sure um well i'm happy to share my screen and i can walk you through all of
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screen and i can walk you through all of
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screen and i can walk you through all of it
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it
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it um because i've done this you haven't
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um because i've done this you haven't
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um because i've done this you haven't read it sure yeah
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read it sure yeah
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read it sure yeah and and i've done you know i've set it
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and and i've done you know i've set it
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and and i've done you know i've set it up a lot of times for my own projects
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up a lot of times for my own projects
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up a lot of times for my own projects and also for clients
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and also for clients
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and also for clients i you know one of my new get packages
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i you know one of my new get packages
20:55
i you know one of my new get packages that's out there is a solution template
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that's out there is a solution template
20:57
that's out there is a solution template for
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for
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for clean architecture and you can just say
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clean architecture and you can just say
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clean architecture and you can just say net new clean desk arch and then give it
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net new clean desk arch and then give it
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net new clean desk arch and then give it a name and it boom it's like you've got
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a name and it boom it's like you've got
21:03
a name and it boom it's like you've got your
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your
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your your solution so i'd be happy to show
21:05
your solution so i'd be happy to show
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your solution so i'd be happy to show you that uh right here if you want
21:07
you that uh right here if you want
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you that uh right here if you want so let's let's throw the screen up there
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so let's let's throw the screen up there
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so let's let's throw the screen up there i'm gonna check that out after the show
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i'm gonna check that out after the show
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i'm gonna check that out after the show all right so on
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all right so on
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all right so on on github.com our dallas clean
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on github.com our dallas clean
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on github.com our dallas clean architecture is where this is at
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architecture is where this is at
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architecture is where this is at and if you go on through the readme here
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and if you go on through the readme here
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and if you go on through the readme here there is a visual studio template you
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there is a visual studio template you
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there is a visual studio template you can find
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can find
21:23
can find if you search for it it's usually a
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if you search for it it's usually a
21:25
if you search for it it's usually a little bit out of date the most recent
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little bit out of date the most recent
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little bit out of date the most recent one is the
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one is the
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one is the net cli template and so one of the cool
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net cli template and so one of the cool
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net cli template and so one of the cool things that.net core
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things that.net core
21:31
things that.net core now.net 5 gives us is the ability to
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now.net 5 gives us is the ability to
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now.net 5 gives us is the ability to create our own templates
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create our own templates
21:35
create our own templates and so if you create your own template
21:36
and so if you create your own template
21:36
and so if you create your own template that has all the things set up the way
21:37
that has all the things set up the way
21:38
that has all the things set up the way you want
21:38
you want
21:38
you want um you can just you know publish that on
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um you can just you know publish that on
21:40
um you can just you know publish that on nuget and then anyone can use it
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nuget and then anyone can use it
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nuget and then anyone can use it whether it's in your company or
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whether it's in your company or
21:43
whether it's in your company or community and so that's what i've done
21:44
community and so that's what i've done
21:44
community and so that's what i've done so i've got this
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so i've got this
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so i've got this dot-net new uh you have to install it
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dot-net new uh you have to install it
21:47
dot-net new uh you have to install it first right so run this.net new dash
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first right so run this.net new dash
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first right so run this.net new dash i our dallas.cleanarchitecture.template
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i our dallas.cleanarchitecture.template
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i our dallas.cleanarchitecture.template and then go to some folder and say
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and then go to some folder and say
21:54
and then go to some folder and say datanewcleanarch-oh that's the name you
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datanewcleanarch-oh that's the name you
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datanewcleanarch-oh that's the name you want to give it
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want to give it
21:57
want to give it your project name right so that'll set
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your project name right so that'll set
21:58
your project name right so that'll set the name spaces and folder names to all
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the name spaces and folder names to all
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the name spaces and folder names to all be correct
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be correct
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be correct so let's just do that i've got a scratch
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so let's just do that i've got a scratch
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so let's just do that i've got a scratch folder that i'm going to use here
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folder that i'm going to use here
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folder that i'm going to use here we'll copy this line right there
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we'll copy this line right there
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we'll copy this line right there and paste it in here and what should we
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and paste it in here and what should we
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and paste it in here and what should we name our
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name our
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name our project uh rock in the code world
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project uh rock in the code world
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project uh rock in the code world rocking the code world there we go there
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rocking the code world there we go there
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rocking the code world there we go there you go
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you go
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you go and it says there is no oh i guess so
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and it says there is no oh i guess so
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and it says there is no oh i guess so maybe i have to install it again
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maybe i have to install it again
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maybe i have to install it again i probably need to install it again
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i probably need to install it again
22:24
i probably need to install it again because i've got a new version.net on
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because i've got a new version.net on
22:26
because i've got a new version.net on here no
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here no
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here no yeah this way i'll show you that the
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yeah this way i'll show you that the
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yeah this way i'll show you that the installer works or not because
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installer works or not because
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installer works or not because it won't work but look it worked hey
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it won't work but look it worked hey
22:36
it won't work but look it worked hey all right let's try this again
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all right let's try this again
22:40
all right let's try this again and the template was created all right
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and the template was created all right
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and the template was created all right so now if i cd into
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so now if i cd into
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so now if i cd into uh rockin there we go uh
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uh rockin there we go uh
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uh rockin there we go uh and view it this is this is what's there
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and view it this is this is what's there
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and view it this is this is what's there in the default folder so there's a
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in the default folder so there's a
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in the default folder so there's a source folder a test folder
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source folder a test folder
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source folder a test folder uh and a bunch of the stuff you'd expect
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uh and a bunch of the stuff you'd expect
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uh and a bunch of the stuff you'd expect in the in the middle and then the
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in the in the middle and then the
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in the in the middle and then the solution
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solution
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solution um i've got the latest preview build
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um i've got the latest preview build
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um i've got the latest preview build here
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here
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here of visual studio 2022 so i'm just going
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of visual studio 2022 so i'm just going
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of visual studio 2022 so i'm just going to go to
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to go to
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to go to sql and scratch dev scratch uh
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sql and scratch dev scratch uh
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sql and scratch dev scratch uh no you're supposed to go there so you
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no you're supposed to go there so you
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no you're supposed to go there so you call in backslash dev backslash scratch
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call in backslash dev backslash scratch
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call in backslash dev backslash scratch backs let's rock in there we go and
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backs let's rock in there we go and
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backs let's rock in there we go and we'll open up uh
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we'll open up uh
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we'll open up uh that solution and we can talk about
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that solution and we can talk about
23:19
that solution and we can talk about what's in here so
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what's in here so
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what's in here so oh before you do that let me break for
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oh before you do that let me break for
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oh before you do that let me break for just a second and say that
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just a second and say that
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just a second and say that you know if you guys want to ask
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you know if you guys want to ask
23:25
you know if you guys want to ask questions to steve please put them in
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questions to steve please put them in
23:27
questions to steve please put them in the comments
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the comments
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the comments i know someone is already cited because
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i know someone is already cited because
23:30
i know someone is already cited because you're one of
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you're one of
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you're one of they're you're one of their favorite
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they're you're one of their favorite
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they're you're one of their favorite people so
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people so
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people so ask some questions people while he while
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ask some questions people while he while
23:37
ask some questions people while he while we're well he's
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we're well he's
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we're well he's showing this okay all right cool yeah
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showing this okay all right cool yeah
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showing this okay all right cool yeah questions are always welcome
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questions are always welcome
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questions are always welcome um okay so in here there are about seven
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um okay so in here there are about seven
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um okay so in here there are about seven projects
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projects
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projects and what you would really have in your
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and what you would really have in your
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and what you would really have in your production code would be six of these
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production code would be six of these
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production code would be six of these because one of these things this shared
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because one of these things this shared
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because one of these things this shared kernel project um you would pull out of
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kernel project um you would pull out of
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kernel project um you would pull out of here and put it in its own separate
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here and put it in its own separate
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here and put it in its own separate project or solution
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project or solution
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project or solution and then you would publish that as a
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and then you would publish that as a
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and then you would publish that as a nuget package and then these other
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nuget package and then these other
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nuget package and then these other projects would depend on that
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projects would depend on that
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projects would depend on that now this is this is somewhat opinionated
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now this is this is somewhat opinionated
24:03
now this is this is somewhat opinionated this is like how i would like to set
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this is like how i would like to set
24:05
this is like how i would like to set things up
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things up
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things up um and obviously you can tweak it to be
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um and obviously you can tweak it to be
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um and obviously you can tweak it to be how you want and it's not a sample app
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how you want and it's not a sample app
24:09
how you want and it's not a sample app right it's a solution template so it's a
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right it's a solution template so it's a
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right it's a solution template so it's a starting point
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starting point
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starting point uh so there's very minimal stuff in here
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uh so there's very minimal stuff in here
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uh so there's very minimal stuff in here but there is enough that you can get
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but there is enough that you can get
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but there is enough that you can get started
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started
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started the i i because i don't have a ton of
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the i i because i don't have a ton of
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the i i because i don't have a ton of time i don't want to have to maintain
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time i don't want to have to maintain
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time i don't want to have to maintain different versions of this for
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different versions of this for
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different versions of this for a web api project or a
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a web api project or a
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a web api project or a api endpoint style project or a razer
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api endpoint style project or a razer
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api endpoint style project or a razer pages project or an mvc view project
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pages project or an mvc view project
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pages project or an mvc view project and so all of those are in here and so
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and so all of those are in here and so
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and so all of those are in here and so you just rip out the ones you don't want
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you just rip out the ones you don't want
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you just rip out the ones you don't want so if you look in here
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so if you look in here
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so if you look in here you'll see there there's controllers and
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you'll see there there's controllers and
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you'll see there there's controllers and you can have a home controller and
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you can have a home controller and
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you can have a home controller and there's views
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there's views
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there's views with you know home view there's razor
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with you know home view there's razor
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with you know home view there's razor pages so
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pages so
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pages so you know there's just some stuff in here
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you know there's just some stuff in here
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you know there's just some stuff in here that uses razor pages there's an api
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that uses razor pages there's an api
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that uses razor pages there's an api with a api controller that shows you
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with a api controller that shows you
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with a api controller that shows you stuff
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stuff
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stuff and then there's endpoints using my api
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and then there's endpoints using my api
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and then there's endpoints using my api endpoints package which we'll also
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endpoints package which we'll also
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endpoints package which we'll also hopefully have a chance to talk about
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hopefully have a chance to talk about
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hopefully have a chance to talk about today
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today
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today um so that's just in the ui uh but in
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um so that's just in the ui uh but in
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um so that's just in the ui uh but in the core
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the core
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the core this is where you put all your your
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this is where you put all your your
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this is where you put all your your business logic your domain
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business logic your domain
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business logic your domain model if you're following domain driven
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model if you're following domain driven
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model if you're following domain driven design um and if we look at the
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design um and if we look at the
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design um and if we look at the dependencies here you'll see that it has
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dependencies here you'll see that it has
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dependencies here you'll see that it has only the the shared kernel project which
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only the the shared kernel project which
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only the the shared kernel project which again in your real application when you
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again in your real application when you
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again in your real application when you set this up that would be a package
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set this up that would be a package
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set this up that would be a package and not infrastructure not web so the
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and not infrastructure not web so the
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and not infrastructure not web so the other things depend on the core or the
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other things depend on the core or the
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other things depend on the core or the domain model
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domain model
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domain model and not the other way around now in here
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and not the other way around now in here
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and not the other way around now in here you're going to have your interfaces
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you're going to have your interfaces
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you're going to have your interfaces for various things in shared kernel is
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for various things in shared kernel is
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for various things in shared kernel is actually where i've got my
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actually where i've got my
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actually where i've got my my data access stuff and so that's where
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my data access stuff and so that's where
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my data access stuff and so that's where the repositories are that you were
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the repositories are that you were
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the repositories are that you were talking about
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talking about
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talking about and and i'm using another package of
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and and i'm using another package of
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and and i'm using another package of mine which is called the
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mine which is called the
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mine which is called the uh specification package and there's a
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uh specification package and there's a
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uh specification package and there's a pattern that i use with the repository
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pattern that i use with the repository
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pattern that i use with the repository that takes care of some of the problems
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that takes care of some of the problems
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that takes care of some of the problems you run into with repositories so yeah
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you run into with repositories so yeah
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you run into with repositories so yeah um a lot of folks online aren't really a
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um a lot of folks online aren't really a
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um a lot of folks online aren't really a fan of the repository pattern these days
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fan of the repository pattern these days
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fan of the repository pattern these days and they'll say
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and they'll say
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and they'll say hey you know what if you have a db
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hey you know what if you have a db
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hey you know what if you have a db context you don't need a repository it's
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context you don't need a repository it's
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context you don't need a repository it's already implementing that
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already implementing that
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already implementing that and that's really kind of not
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and that's really kind of not
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and that's really kind of not understanding what the point of the
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understanding what the point of the
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understanding what the point of the repository pattern is
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repository pattern is
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repository pattern is uh because the only thing the repository
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uh because the only thing the repository
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uh because the only thing the repository pattern is valuable because of
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pattern is valuable because of
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pattern is valuable because of or the only reason it's valuable um is
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or the only reason it's valuable um is
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or the only reason it's valuable um is because of the abstraction
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because of the abstraction
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because of the abstraction that is your abstraction that you own
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that is your abstraction that you own
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that is your abstraction that you own and you can depend on um and so this is
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and you can depend on um and so this is
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and you can depend on um and so this is the
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the
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the repository abstraction and right now
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repository abstraction and right now
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repository abstraction and right now like i said it's coming from our dallas
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like i said it's coming from our dallas
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like i said it's coming from our dallas specification
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specification
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specification um but it would have methods that look
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um but it would have methods that look
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um but it would have methods that look kind of like this um
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kind of like this um
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kind of like this um and so it'll it'll get list add update
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and so it'll it'll get list add update
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and so it'll it'll get list add update delete um but this list async here
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delete um but this list async here
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delete um but this list async here that takes in a specification takes care
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that takes in a specification takes care
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that takes in a specification takes care of one of the biggest problems that
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of one of the biggest problems that
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of one of the biggest problems that folks have with repositories which is
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folks have with repositories which is
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folks have with repositories which is that they they make it so that you um
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that they they make it so that you um
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that they they make it so that you um hide too much of the functionality of
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hide too much of the functionality of
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hide too much of the functionality of your
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your
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your of your implementation away specifically
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of your implementation away specifically
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of your implementation away specifically if you're using any framework
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if you're using any framework
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if you're using any framework and a repository a lot of folks run into
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and a repository a lot of folks run into
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and a repository a lot of folks run into this problem where
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this problem where
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this problem where they can't pick which columns they want
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they can't pick which columns they want
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they can't pick which columns they want they can't pick which other
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they can't pick which other
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they can't pick which other tables to include or which other
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tables to include or which other
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tables to include or which other entities to include and the only way
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entities to include and the only way
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entities to include and the only way that they know how to do that
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that they know how to do that
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that they know how to do that is to add more methods right so maybe
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is to add more methods right so maybe
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is to add more methods right so maybe they start out with a generic repository
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they start out with a generic repository
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they start out with a generic repository and then they're like well i need to get
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and then they're like well i need to get
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and then they're like well i need to get customer with address
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customer with address
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customer with address so they create a new customer repository
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so they create a new customer repository
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so they create a new customer repository that inherits from
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that inherits from
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that inherits from i repository of customer and on there
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i repository of customer and on there
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i repository of customer and on there they say
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they say
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they say get customer with address right and have
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get customer with address right and have
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get customer with address right and have this extra method
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this extra method
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this extra method but now their api is kind of broken
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but now their api is kind of broken
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but now their api is kind of broken because everywhere in their code there
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because everywhere in their code there
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because everywhere in their code there it's like well do i get the i repository
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it's like well do i get the i repository
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it's like well do i get the i repository of customer or do i get the i customer
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of customer or do i get the i customer
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of customer or do i get the i customer repository which one should i pick
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repository which one should i pick
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repository which one should i pick um and developers now have to make a
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um and developers now have to make a
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um and developers now have to make a decision and ambiguity is bad for
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decision and ambiguity is bad for
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decision and ambiguity is bad for developers
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developers
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developers uh we want to have one clear way to do
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uh we want to have one clear way to do
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uh we want to have one clear way to do it and so what the specification
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it and so what the specification
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it and so what the specification does is it means that this this
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does is it means that this this
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does is it means that this this interface and the the code that
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interface and the the code that
27:26
interface and the the code that implements it now follows the open close
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implements it now follows the open close
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implements it now follows the open close principle meaning i don't have to change
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principle meaning i don't have to change
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principle meaning i don't have to change it to change its behavior
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it to change its behavior
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it to change its behavior right whereas before if i didn't have
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right whereas before if i didn't have
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right whereas before if i didn't have that i would have to go and create more
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that i would have to go and create more
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that i would have to go and create more methods every time i wanted some other
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methods every time i wanted some other
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methods every time i wanted some other variable way to get the data
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variable way to get the data
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variable way to get the data by using a specification i inject all of
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by using a specification i inject all of
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by using a specification i inject all of the query details
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the query details
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the query details in the form of that specification and
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in the form of that specification and
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in the form of that specification and now i only need these methods on the
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now i only need these methods on the
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now i only need these methods on the repository i never need another one
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repository i never need another one
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repository i never need another one i don't need to have custom uh
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i don't need to have custom uh
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i don't need to have custom uh implementations of my repository and
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implementations of my repository and
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implementations of my repository and except in very rare cases
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except in very rare cases
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except in very rare cases um and so it solves that problem for it
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um and so it solves that problem for it
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um and so it solves that problem for it so i can show you an example of that so
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so i can show you an example of that so
27:58
so i can show you an example of that so let's look at this i definitely want to
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let's look at this i definitely want to
27:59
let's look at this i definitely want to check that out
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check that out
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check that out yeah let me let me show you this project
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yeah let me let me show you this project
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yeah let me let me show you this project aggregate um
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aggregate um
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aggregate um so aggregates are another ddd thing it's
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so aggregates are another ddd thing it's
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so aggregates are another ddd thing it's a way to group together related
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a way to group together related
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a way to group together related uh things usually like master detail
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uh things usually like master detail
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uh things usually like master detail style relationships like
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style relationships like
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style relationships like a customer with their addresses perhaps
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a customer with their addresses perhaps
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a customer with their addresses perhaps and so when you persist it when you
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and so when you persist it when you
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and so when you persist it when you fetch it from the database
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fetch it from the database
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fetch it from the database or save it you want to do it as a unit
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or save it you want to do it as a unit
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or save it you want to do it as a unit with all those things
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with all those things
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with all those things and so in this example i have a to-do
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and so in this example i have a to-do
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and so in this example i have a to-do list but the to-do list is part of a
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list but the to-do list is part of a
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list but the to-do list is part of a project
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project
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project so it's not just a bunch of to-do items
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so it's not just a bunch of to-do items
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so it's not just a bunch of to-do items it's one or more projects each project
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it's one or more projects each project
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it's one or more projects each project has a bunch of to-do
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has a bunch of to-do
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has a bunch of to-do items or tasks and and so when you've
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items or tasks and and so when you've
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items or tasks and and so when you've completed all the to-do items then the
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completed all the to-do items then the
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completed all the to-do items then the project is complete
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project is complete
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project is complete um and so again this is not a sample app
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um and so again this is not a sample app
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um and so again this is not a sample app it's just really simple
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it's just really simple
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it's just really simple um but this is what a base entity would
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um but this is what a base entity would
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um but this is what a base entity would look like your base entity
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look like your base entity
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look like your base entity type comes from shared kernel and on
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type comes from shared kernel and on
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type comes from shared kernel and on there basically all it gives you is an
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there basically all it gives you is an
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there basically all it gives you is an id
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id
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id and a collection of events that you can
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and a collection of events that you can
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and a collection of events that you can use to if you want to follow the main
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use to if you want to follow the main
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use to if you want to follow the main events pattern
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events pattern
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events pattern then the project is here and it just has
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then the project is here and it just has
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then the project is here and it just has this collection of items
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this collection of items
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this collection of items which it exposes through an innumerable
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which it exposes through an innumerable
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which it exposes through an innumerable so that you can't actually manipulate
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so that you can't actually manipulate
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so that you can't actually manipulate the list except through its exposed
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the list except through its exposed
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the list except through its exposed methods and that's very important when
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methods and that's very important when
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methods and that's very important when you're exposing lists
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you're exposing lists
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you're exposing lists and you actually expose as a property
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and you actually expose as a property
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and you actually expose as a property the list you end up making it so that
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the list you end up making it so that
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the list you end up making it so that anything in your application
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anything in your application
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anything in your application can mess with that list and the parent
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can mess with that list and the parent
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can mess with that list and the parent object has no idea
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object has no idea
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object has no idea right so if you have any behavior or
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right so if you have any behavior or
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right so if you have any behavior or validation you want to do around that
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validation you want to do around that
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validation you want to do around that you need to encapsulate that list which
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you need to encapsulate that list which
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you need to encapsulate that list which is what these two lines are doing
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is what these two lines are doing
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is what these two lines are doing they're making it so no one can get to
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they're making it so no one can get to
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they're making it so no one can get to this underscore items
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this underscore items
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this underscore items except within this this class and then
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except within this this class and then
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except within this this class and then they
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they
29:29
they provide just the operations they want to
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provide just the operations they want to
29:31
provide just the operations they want to provide for how to manipulate that so
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provide for how to manipulate that so
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provide for how to manipulate that so right now the only thing you can do on
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right now the only thing you can do on
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right now the only thing you can do on this project is add
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this project is add
29:36
this project is add items to it you can't remove them you
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items to it you can't remove them you
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items to it you can't remove them you can't clear the list you can't do
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can't clear the list you can't do
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can't clear the list you can't do anything else
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anything else
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anything else when you add an item i'm going to make
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when you add an item i'm going to make
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when you add an item i'm going to make sure it's not null with a guard clause
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sure it's not null with a guard clause
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sure it's not null with a guard clause yeah and actually i have another nuget
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yeah and actually i have another nuget
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yeah and actually i have another nuget package that has those guard clauses
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package that has those guard clauses
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package that has those guard clauses and i'm also going to raise an event
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and i'm also going to raise an event
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and i'm also going to raise an event that i could react to
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that i could react to
29:50
that i could react to okay now getting into the specifications
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okay now getting into the specifications
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okay now getting into the specifications there's various ways i'm going to want
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there's various ways i'm going to want
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there's various ways i'm going to want to list
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to list
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to list on these projects with their with their
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on these projects with their with their
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on these projects with their with their items
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items
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items their to-do items so inside this
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their to-do items so inside this
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their to-do items so inside this aggregate i have the specifications that
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aggregate i have the specifications that
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aggregate i have the specifications that are related to
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are related to
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are related to project and so i can say give me a list
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project and so i can say give me a list
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project and so i can say give me a list of all the items that are incomplete
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of all the items that are incomplete
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of all the items that are incomplete and so i get a specification of just the
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and so i get a specification of just the
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and so i get a specification of just the item
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item
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item and this incomplete item search is going
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and this incomplete item search is going
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and this incomplete item search is going to go and find me all the items
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to go and find me all the items
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to go and find me all the items where it's not done and it has this
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where it's not done and it has this
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where it's not done and it has this search string that i'm looking for
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search string that i'm looking for
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search string that i'm looking for and then there's another variant of that
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and then there's another variant of that
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and then there's another variant of that here that just checks for whether it's
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here that just checks for whether it's
30:25
here that just checks for whether it's done and then there's
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done and then there's
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done and then there's go fetch me the project with its items
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go fetch me the project with its items
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go fetch me the project with its items um here and so
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um here and so
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um here and so this will get me one project with with
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this will get me one project with with
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this will get me one project with with all of its items
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all of its items
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all of its items now do those uh that spec
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now do those uh that spec
30:38
now do those uh that spec uh class you have is that is that
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uh class you have is that is that
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uh class you have is that is that implementing the i specification
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implementing the i specification
30:41
implementing the i specification the was it the i specification interface
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the was it the i specification interface
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the was it the i specification interface uh it's implementing a base class called
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uh it's implementing a base class called
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uh it's implementing a base class called specification of t which is defined in
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specification of t which is defined in
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specification of t which is defined in my our dallas specification nuget
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my our dallas specification nuget
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my our dallas specification nuget package
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package
30:51
package okay so inside of there it has all the
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okay so inside of there it has all the
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okay so inside of there it has all the logic for this but basically
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logic for this but basically
30:55
logic for this but basically it just has a bunch of iqueryable stuff
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it just has a bunch of iqueryable stuff
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it just has a bunch of iqueryable stuff on it that it builds up internally
30:59
on it that it builds up internally
30:59
on it that it builds up internally i don't expose iqueryable outside of my
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i don't expose iqueryable outside of my
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i don't expose iqueryable outside of my data layer
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data layer
31:02
data layer but within the repository within a given
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but within the repository within a given
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but within the repository within a given query i use iqueryables to build up the
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query i use iqueryables to build up the
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query i use iqueryables to build up the query
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query
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query here and then i execute that in the
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here and then i execute that in the
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here and then i execute that in the repository
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repository
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repository and like i said my repository isn't here
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and like i said my repository isn't here
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and like i said my repository isn't here technically either
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technically either
31:15
technically either i've got the interface defined here but
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i've got the interface defined here but
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i've got the interface defined here but the actual implementation
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the actual implementation
31:19
the actual implementation is coming from the our dallas
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is coming from the our dallas
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is coming from the our dallas specification
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specification
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specification so i'm implementing this i repository
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so i'm implementing this i repository
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so i'm implementing this i repository base of t
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base of t
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base of t and then when i wire everything up i
31:27
and then when i wire everything up i
31:27
and then when i wire everything up i wire that up to use
31:29
wire that up to use
31:29
wire that up to use a repository that's defined inside of
31:31
a repository that's defined inside of
31:32
a repository that's defined inside of that
31:32
that
31:32
that that nuget package you don't have to do
31:34
that nuget package you don't have to do
31:34
that nuget package you don't have to do it that way you can write your own
31:36
it that way you can write your own
31:36
it that way you can write your own but this just made it so i didn't have
31:37
but this just made it so i didn't have
31:37
but this just made it so i didn't have to have as much code inside this this
31:38
to have as much code inside this this
31:38
to have as much code inside this this template
31:40
template
31:40
template and actually the the app the repository
31:44
and actually the the app the repository
31:44
and actually the the app the repository itself is here
31:45
itself is here
31:45
itself is here it's just it doesn't actually have
31:46
it's just it doesn't actually have
31:46
it's just it doesn't actually have anything in it like this is it it is in
31:48
anything in it like this is it it is in
31:48
anything in it like this is it it is in my
31:49
my
31:49
my solution um but all the functionality is
31:51
solution um but all the functionality is
31:51
solution um but all the functionality is in the base
31:53
in the base
31:53
in the base all right um another thing that's really
31:56
all right um another thing that's really
31:56
all right um another thing that's really important to me
31:56
important to me
31:56
important to me in designing solutions and architecting
31:59
in designing solutions and architecting
31:59
in designing solutions and architecting solutions is using constraints
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solutions is using constraints
32:01
solutions is using constraints uh in an intelligent way one of the
32:02
uh in an intelligent way one of the
32:02
uh in an intelligent way one of the things i like to say in my training is i
32:04
things i like to say in my training is i
32:04
things i like to say in my training is i want developers
32:05
want developers
32:05
want developers to fall into the pit of success right
32:07
to fall into the pit of success right
32:07
to fall into the pit of success right and the way you do that is you make it
32:09
and the way you do that is you make it
32:09
and the way you do that is you make it so that the
32:09
so that the
32:10
so that the wrong thing is hard and the right thing
32:11
wrong thing is hard and the right thing
32:11
wrong thing is hard and the right thing is easy and constraints are great for
32:13
is easy and constraints are great for
32:13
is easy and constraints are great for that
32:14
that
32:14
that and so one of the things that i'm using
32:16
and so one of the things that i'm using
32:16
and so one of the things that i'm using here as a constraint is this i aggregate
32:18
here as a constraint is this i aggregate
32:18
here as a constraint is this i aggregate root constraint
32:18
root constraint
32:18
root constraint on t so t is the entity that this is
32:22
on t so t is the entity that this is
32:22
on t so t is the entity that this is going to work with
32:23
going to work with
32:23
going to work with and with generic constraints you get
32:25
and with generic constraints you get
32:25
and with generic constraints you get compiler
32:26
compiler
32:26
compiler validation compiler checks that say
32:29
validation compiler checks that say
32:29
validation compiler checks that say whether or not that type
32:30
whether or not that type
32:30
whether or not that type is you know a class uh which means that
32:33
is you know a class uh which means that
32:33
is you know a class uh which means that i couldn't for instance have a
32:34
i couldn't for instance have a
32:34
i couldn't for instance have a an i repository of int right it's not a
32:37
an i repository of int right it's not a
32:37
an i repository of int right it's not a class right so it wouldn't work
32:38
class right so it wouldn't work
32:38
class right so it wouldn't work um but i can also say it has to be an i
32:40
um but i can also say it has to be an i
32:40
um but i can also say it has to be an i aggregate root
32:42
aggregate root
32:42
aggregate root and an aggregate root goes back to that
32:44
and an aggregate root goes back to that
32:44
and an aggregate root goes back to that ddd aggregates
32:45
ddd aggregates
32:45
ddd aggregates uh pattern thing so if we if we look up
32:47
uh pattern thing so if we if we look up
32:47
uh pattern thing so if we if we look up here at project and to do item again
32:50
here at project and to do item again
32:50
here at project and to do item again if you look at to do item it's just a
32:51
if you look at to do item it's just a
32:51
if you look at to do item it's just a base entity
32:53
base entity
32:53
base entity but if you look at its project the
32:55
but if you look at its project the
32:55
but if you look at its project the project is a base entity but also
32:57
project is a base entity but also
32:57
project is a base entity but also implements i aggregate root
32:59
implements i aggregate root
32:59
implements i aggregate root now i aggregate root is a marker
33:01
now i aggregate root is a marker
33:01
now i aggregate root is a marker interface it doesn't actually have any
33:02
interface it doesn't actually have any
33:02
interface it doesn't actually have any logic in it at all it doesn't define any
33:03
logic in it at all it doesn't define any
33:03
logic in it at all it doesn't define any methods or say you have to implement
33:05
methods or say you have to implement
33:05
methods or say you have to implement anything at all
33:06
anything at all
33:06
anything at all but it is a type and so i can use it
33:08
but it is a type and so i can use it
33:08
but it is a type and so i can use it with constraints and so it's a way for
33:09
with constraints and so it's a way for
33:10
with constraints and so it's a way for me to tell the compiler that this thing
33:12
me to tell the compiler that this thing
33:12
me to tell the compiler that this thing is an aggregate route
33:14
is an aggregate route
33:14
is an aggregate route and one of the rules that you should
33:15
and one of the rules that you should
33:15
and one of the rules that you should follow with aggregates is that you only
33:17
follow with aggregates is that you only
33:17
follow with aggregates is that you only persist
33:18
persist
33:18
persist at the aggregate level you don't persist
33:20
at the aggregate level you don't persist
33:20
at the aggregate level you don't persist individual children under it
33:22
individual children under it
33:22
individual children under it and so now with the repository that i'm
33:24
and so now with the repository that i'm
33:24
and so now with the repository that i'm using i'll get a compiler error if i try
33:26
using i'll get a compiler error if i try
33:26
using i'll get a compiler error if i try to use
33:27
to use
33:27
to use uh a repository of to do item um
33:30
uh a repository of to do item um
33:30
uh a repository of to do item um and to show you what that looks like if
33:31
and to show you what that looks like if
33:32
and to show you what that looks like if i come down to like this projects
33:33
i come down to like this projects
33:33
i come down to like this projects controller
33:34
controller
33:34
controller right now it's taking in an irepository
33:36
right now it's taking in an irepository
33:36
right now it's taking in an irepository project but if i said you know what i
33:38
project but if i said you know what i
33:38
project but if i said you know what i don't need the project i just want this
33:39
don't need the project i just want this
33:39
don't need the project i just want this to do item
33:40
to do item
33:40
to do item let me give an irepository of to do item
33:43
let me give an irepository of to do item
33:43
let me give an irepository of to do item you know to do repo right what's this
33:47
you know to do repo right what's this
33:47
you know to do repo right what's this going to do it's going to tell me
33:49
going to do it's going to tell me
33:49
going to do it's going to tell me i cannot use to do item as a type
33:51
i cannot use to do item as a type
33:51
i cannot use to do item as a type parameter t and a generic type i
33:53
parameter t and a generic type i
33:53
parameter t and a generic type i repository of t
33:54
repository of t
33:54
repository of t because i can't convert a to do item to
33:56
because i can't convert a to do item to
33:56
because i can't convert a to do item to an i aggregate root
33:58
an i aggregate root
33:58
an i aggregate root right so it's the compiler won't let the
33:59
right so it's the compiler won't let the
33:59
right so it's the compiler won't let the developer do the thing that they're not
34:01
developer do the thing that they're not
34:01
developer do the thing that they're not supposed to do
34:01
supposed to do
34:02
supposed to do yeah and that's that's way better than
34:04
yeah and that's that's way better than
34:04
yeah and that's that's way better than if
34:05
if
34:05
if i just put in my code here where the
34:07
i just put in my code here where the
34:07
i just put in my code here where the project was
34:08
project was
34:08
project was uh you know instead of this maybe i had
34:10
uh you know instead of this maybe i had
34:10
uh you know instead of this maybe i had some comment that says
34:11
some comment that says
34:11
some comment that says aggregate root right that that's not
34:14
aggregate root right that that's not
34:14
aggregate root right that that's not very useful right maybe the developer
34:15
very useful right maybe the developer
34:15
very useful right maybe the developer sees it maybe they don't maybe they
34:16
sees it maybe they don't maybe they
34:16
sees it maybe they don't maybe they follow it maybe they don't
34:18
follow it maybe they don't
34:18
follow it maybe they don't this is visible it it communicates
34:21
this is visible it it communicates
34:21
this is visible it it communicates intent
34:21
intent
34:21
intent but more importantly it enforces that at
34:24
but more importantly it enforces that at
34:24
but more importantly it enforces that at the compiler level
34:25
the compiler level
34:25
the compiler level right um and so coming back to the the
34:28
right um and so coming back to the the
34:28
right um and so coming back to the the high level view here
34:30
high level view here
34:30
high level view here overall right there's these three
34:32
overall right there's these three
34:32
overall right there's these three projects and if you look at what depends
34:34
projects and if you look at what depends
34:34
projects and if you look at what depends on what
34:34
on what
34:34
on what we'll forget about shared colonel still
34:36
we'll forget about shared colonel still
34:36
we'll forget about shared colonel still for a minute infrastructure's dependency
34:38
for a minute infrastructure's dependency
34:38
for a minute infrastructure's dependency is on uh just core and also shared
34:41
is on uh just core and also shared
34:42
is on uh just core and also shared kernel pretty much everything depends on
34:43
kernel pretty much everything depends on
34:43
kernel pretty much everything depends on share kernel yeah and then web depends
34:45
share kernel yeah and then web depends
34:45
share kernel yeah and then web depends on both
34:46
on both
34:46
on both uh projects of infrastructure and in
34:49
uh projects of infrastructure and in
34:49
uh projects of infrastructure and in cork or in this case it's transitively
34:51
cork or in this case it's transitively
34:51
cork or in this case it's transitively because it goes through infrastructure
34:52
because it goes through infrastructure
34:52
because it goes through infrastructure but
34:52
but
34:52
but um but it does it depends on core too uh
34:55
um but it does it depends on core too uh
34:55
um but it does it depends on core too uh and so if we run this
34:56
and so if we run this
34:56
and so if we run this just to show you what it looks like when
34:58
just to show you what it looks like when
34:58
just to show you what it looks like when you start
34:59
you start
34:59
you start uh it just has a simple little home page
35:01
uh it just has a simple little home page
35:01
uh it just has a simple little home page that shows you
35:02
that shows you
35:02
that shows you what it can do well i definitely know
35:05
what it can do well i definitely know
35:05
what it can do well i definitely know what i'm watching next week on
35:06
what i'm watching next week on
35:06
what i'm watching next week on pluralsight
35:07
pluralsight
35:07
pluralsight [Laughter]
35:09
[Laughter]
35:09
[Laughter] i gotta learn more about this this
35:10
i gotta learn more about this this
35:10
i gotta learn more about this this sounds really awesome i'm
35:12
sounds really awesome i'm
35:12
sounds really awesome i'm i'm i i hate that i haven't even looked
35:15
i'm i i hate that i haven't even looked
35:15
i'm i i hate that i haven't even looked at this yet
35:16
at this yet
35:16
at this yet so i'm glad you're here today yeah i
35:18
so i'm glad you're here today yeah i
35:18
so i'm glad you're here today yeah i just found a bug this thing says lastest
35:20
just found a bug this thing says lastest
35:20
just found a bug this thing says lastest plural cycles that should be the latest
35:22
plural cycles that should be the latest
35:22
plural cycles that should be the latest we'll fix that while we're here we're
35:23
we'll fix that while we're here we're
35:23
we'll fix that while we're here we're software engineers we can't spell
35:25
software engineers we can't spell
35:25
software engineers we can't spell that's right um so this has some details
35:28
that's right um so this has some details
35:28
that's right um so this has some details on how to use this thing and then it has
35:29
on how to use this thing and then it has
35:29
on how to use this thing and then it has swagger
35:30
swagger
35:30
swagger so most of the stuff that's interesting
35:31
so most of the stuff that's interesting
35:31
so most of the stuff that's interesting is in the apis in my opinion so if we
35:33
is in the apis in my opinion so if we
35:33
is in the apis in my opinion so if we jump to swagger
35:35
jump to swagger
35:35
jump to swagger we can see all the apis these are the
35:36
we can see all the apis these are the
35:36
we can see all the apis these are the ones that use endpoints
35:38
ones that use endpoints
35:38
ones that use endpoints which which we can talk about in a
35:39
which which we can talk about in a
35:39
which which we can talk about in a minute these are the ones that use the
35:41
minute these are the ones that use the
35:41
minute these are the ones that use the api controller
35:42
api controller
35:42
api controller but this is all functional now so you
35:44
but this is all functional now so you
35:44
but this is all functional now so you can come in here and you say hey i want
35:45
can come in here and you say hey i want
35:45
can come in here and you say hey i want to try this out let me see my projects
35:47
to try this out let me see my projects
35:47
to try this out let me see my projects uh and you can say okay well here's your
35:49
uh and you can say okay well here's your
35:49
uh and you can say okay well here's your test project um
35:51
test project um
35:51
test project um and it has an empty items collection
35:53
and it has an empty items collection
35:53
and it has an empty items collection which is probably wrong
35:54
which is probably wrong
35:54
which is probably wrong let's see what i get if i do it up here
35:56
let's see what i get if i do it up here
35:56
let's see what i get if i do it up here uh try this one out
35:58
uh try this one out
35:58
uh try this one out and execute list of projects uh yeah
36:01
and execute list of projects uh yeah
36:01
and execute list of projects uh yeah here it is okay no that is right that's
36:03
here it is okay no that is right that's
36:03
here it is okay no that is right that's right if i get one of them
36:04
right if i get one of them
36:04
right if i get one of them uh if i get one project so project id
36:07
uh if i get one project so project id
36:07
uh if i get one project so project id like this is telling me it's got id one
36:09
like this is telling me it's got id one
36:09
like this is telling me it's got id one right so we can say get project by id
36:11
right so we can say get project by id
36:11
right so we can say get project by id try it out there's one
36:13
try it out there's one
36:13
try it out there's one execute and say here tell me everything
36:16
execute and say here tell me everything
36:16
execute and say here tell me everything um about project one that didn't work at
36:19
um about project one that didn't work at
36:19
um about project one that didn't work at all did it
36:20
all did it
36:20
all did it went to the wrong end point that should
36:22
went to the wrong end point that should
36:22
went to the wrong end point that should have been slash oh that's that's the
36:24
have been slash oh that's that's the
36:24
have been slash oh that's that's the meta no it's not
36:25
meta no it's not
36:25
meta no it's not okay no that should have been slash api
36:27
okay no that should have been slash api
36:27
okay no that should have been slash api slash so i don't know why that's got the
36:29
slash so i don't know why that's got the
36:29
slash so i don't know why that's got the wrong uh route but this is not
36:31
wrong uh route but this is not
36:31
wrong uh route but this is not a razor page yeah i'm finding all the
36:33
a razor page yeah i'm finding all the
36:34
a razor page yeah i'm finding all the bugs just while we're doing this uh
36:35
bugs just while we're doing this uh
36:35
bugs just while we're doing this uh interview that's good
36:36
interview that's good
36:36
interview that's good all right so let me usually i test it
36:38
all right so let me usually i test it
36:38
all right so let me usually i test it with the endpoint version that's the
36:39
with the endpoint version that's the
36:39
with the endpoint version that's the problem um
36:40
problem um
36:40
problem um but i don't test the other one as much
36:41
but i don't test the other one as much
36:42
but i don't test the other one as much alright so here's the get single project
36:44
alright so here's the get single project
36:44
alright so here's the get single project try it out one execute i'm going to
36:46
try it out one execute i'm going to
36:46
try it out one execute i'm going to write some integration tests here in a
36:47
write some integration tests here in a
36:47
write some integration tests here in a second
36:48
second
36:48
second so here's what you get here so the thing
36:50
so here's what you get here so the thing
36:50
so here's what you get here so the thing i want to point out is that
36:51
i want to point out is that
36:51
i want to point out is that when you're designing an api a lot of
36:54
when you're designing an api a lot of
36:54
when you're designing an api a lot of the time you want to
36:55
the time you want to
36:55
the time you want to get sort of the goldilocks amount of
36:57
get sort of the goldilocks amount of
36:57
get sort of the goldilocks amount of data to come back goldilocks meaning not
36:59
data to come back goldilocks meaning not
36:59
data to come back goldilocks meaning not too much but not too little
37:01
too much but not too little
37:01
too much but not too little and so when i get a list of projects i
37:03
and so when i get a list of projects i
37:03
and so when i get a list of projects i don't necessarily want to get a list of
37:04
don't necessarily want to get a list of
37:04
don't necessarily want to get a list of projects and all their to-do items
37:06
projects and all their to-do items
37:06
projects and all their to-do items because maybe i'm just showing him in a
37:07
because maybe i'm just showing him in a
37:07
because maybe i'm just showing him in a drop down list or or some kind of
37:09
drop down list or or some kind of
37:09
drop down list or or some kind of navigation for the user to pick
37:10
navigation for the user to pick
37:10
navigation for the user to pick um but when i say i want to get this one
37:12
um but when i say i want to get this one
37:12
um but when i say i want to get this one project i probably want to get its
37:14
project i probably want to get its
37:14
project i probably want to get its details too
37:15
details too
37:15
details too um and that's up to me as the api
37:17
um and that's up to me as the api
37:17
um and that's up to me as the api designer to make that choice
37:18
designer to make that choice
37:18
designer to make that choice and it's totally uh different from how i
37:21
and it's totally uh different from how i
37:21
and it's totally uh different from how i might
37:22
might
37:22
might implement things in the domain model uh
37:24
implement things in the domain model uh
37:24
implement things in the domain model uh you know and whether or not i'm using
37:25
you know and whether or not i'm using
37:25
you know and whether or not i'm using entity framework with include or not
37:27
entity framework with include or not
37:27
entity framework with include or not um and so you want to keep those things
37:29
um and so you want to keep those things
37:29
um and so you want to keep those things separate when you're designing your apis
37:30
separate when you're designing your apis
37:30
separate when you're designing your apis your focus should be on what does your
37:32
your focus should be on what does your
37:32
your focus should be on what does your client need and when you're designing
37:33
client need and when you're designing
37:34
client need and when you're designing your domain model you just want to have
37:35
your domain model you just want to have
37:35
your domain model you just want to have the flexibility
37:36
the flexibility
37:36
the flexibility to support whatever that api or that
37:38
to support whatever that api or that
37:38
to support whatever that api or that application is going to need
37:40
application is going to need
37:40
application is going to need and so in this case when i when i say
37:41
and so in this case when i when i say
37:41
and so in this case when i when i say get by id i do fetch all the items with
37:44
get by id i do fetch all the items with
37:44
get by id i do fetch all the items with it
37:45
it
37:45
it and that's also why if you look at those
37:46
and that's also why if you look at those
37:46
and that's also why if you look at those specifications we saw
37:48
specifications we saw
37:48
specifications we saw some of them did include the items some
37:50
some of them did include the items some
37:50
some of them did include the items some of them didn't
37:51
of them didn't
37:51
of them didn't uh just for the purposes of efficiency
37:53
uh just for the purposes of efficiency
37:53
uh just for the purposes of efficiency and what goes over the wire with that
37:54
and what goes over the wire with that
37:54
and what goes over the wire with that api
37:56
api
37:56
api so we have some questions um cool
37:59
so we have some questions um cool
37:59
so we have some questions um cool i love questions we got a bunch of
38:01
i love questions we got a bunch of
38:01
i love questions we got a bunch of questions so let's see uh
38:04
questions so let's see uh
38:04
questions so let's see uh yeah so this is a good one the first one
38:05
yeah so this is a good one the first one
38:05
yeah so this is a good one the first one is in in clean architecture which is the
38:07
is in in clean architecture which is the
38:07
is in in clean architecture which is the right place for entities interface and
38:09
right place for entities interface and
38:09
right place for entities interface and business logic
38:11
business logic
38:11
business logic okay i was going to i was kind of going
38:12
okay i was going to i was kind of going
38:12
okay i was going to i was kind of going to ask the question about and
38:14
to ask the question about and
38:14
to ask the question about and entities too yeah um
38:17
entities too yeah um
38:17
entities too yeah um entities belong in the domain model so
38:19
entities belong in the domain model so
38:19
entities belong in the domain model so all the things that were in that
38:20
all the things that were in that
38:20
all the things that were in that aggregate
38:21
aggregate
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aggregate the project the to do items those are
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the project the to do items those are
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the project the to do items those are entities uh in the ddd sense as well as
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entities uh in the ddd sense as well as
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entities uh in the ddd sense as well as in the entity framework sense
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in the entity framework sense
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in the entity framework sense um when you're using entity framework
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um when you're using entity framework
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um when you're using entity framework code first whether you're on.net ef6
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code first whether you're on.net ef6
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code first whether you're on.net ef6 or your.net core which basically only
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or your.net core which basically only
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or your.net core which basically only supports code first
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supports code first
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supports code first out of the box you you generally want to
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out of the box you you generally want to
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out of the box you you generally want to use your domain model entities as
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use your domain model entities as
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use your domain model entities as your database model as well so
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your database model as well so
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your database model as well so most of the time i don't have a separate
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most of the time i don't have a separate
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most of the time i don't have a separate set of database entities
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set of database entities
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set of database entities that i map to my business entities or my
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that i map to my business entities or my
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that i map to my business entities or my domain entities i use the same one for
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domain entities i use the same one for
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domain entities i use the same one for both
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both
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both now you'll see i don't have the
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now you'll see i don't have the
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now you'll see i don't have the screenshot anymore but
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screenshot anymore but
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screenshot anymore but in in the project or in the to do items
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in in the project or in the to do items
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in in the project or in the to do items you didn't see any
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you didn't see any
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you didn't see any kind of attributes saying things like
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kind of attributes saying things like
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kind of attributes saying things like this is required and this has a max
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this is required and this has a max
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this is required and this has a max length and stuff like that
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length and stuff like that
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length and stuff like that i don't like to put that in my domain
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i don't like to put that in my domain
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i don't like to put that in my domain model classes instead i put that in the
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model classes instead i put that in the
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model classes instead i put that in the infrastructure project
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infrastructure project
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infrastructure project where i configure everything in code and
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where i configure everything in code and
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where i configure everything in code and so the
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so the
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so the the questions were where do interfaces
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the questions were where do interfaces
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the questions were where do interfaces live what entities live where does db
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live what entities live where does db
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live what entities live where does db context live
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context live
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context live um entities are part of your domain
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um entities are part of your domain
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um entities are part of your domain model
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model
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model interfaces most of those are going to be
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interfaces most of those are going to be
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interfaces most of those are going to be part of your domain model too so they'll
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part of your domain model too so they'll
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part of your domain model too so they'll live in
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live in
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live in the core project or the domain model
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the core project or the domain model
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the core project or the domain model project if they're being used by lots
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project if they're being used by lots
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project if they're being used by lots and lots of different solutions in your
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and lots of different solutions in your
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and lots of different solutions in your company
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company
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company you might put some of them in shared
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you might put some of them in shared
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you might put some of them in shared kernel right shared kernel is like a
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kernel right shared kernel is like a
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kernel right shared kernel is like a small subset of core that you want to
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small subset of core that you want to
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small subset of core that you want to share elsewhere
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share elsewhere
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share elsewhere but it follows the same rules as core in
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but it follows the same rules as core in
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but it follows the same rules as core in that it shouldn't depend on any
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that it shouldn't depend on any
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that it shouldn't depend on any infrastructure
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infrastructure
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infrastructure details and then inside of the
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details and then inside of the
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details and then inside of the infrastructure class
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infrastructure class
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infrastructure class that's where your implementation details
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that's where your implementation details
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that's where your implementation details go entity framework
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go entity framework
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go entity framework is an implementation detail so it
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is an implementation detail so it
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is an implementation detail so it belongs in infrastructure it's
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belongs in infrastructure it's
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belongs in infrastructure it's how i'm going to get my data i might
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how i'm going to get my data i might
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how i'm going to get my data i might decide to change it i might decide to
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decide to change it i might decide to
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decide to change it i might decide to use dapper or i might decide that for
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use dapper or i might decide that for
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use dapper or i might decide that for this particular query i don't want to
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this particular query i don't want to
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this particular query i don't want to use an orm at all i want to just
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use an orm at all i want to just
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use an orm at all i want to just talk directly to the database because
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talk directly to the database because
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talk directly to the database because that's faster i want to call stored
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that's faster i want to call stored
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that's faster i want to call stored procedure
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procedure
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procedure and yes i could do that through ef and
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and yes i could do that through ef and
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and yes i could do that through ef and or through dapper or i could write my
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or through dapper or i could write my
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or through dapper or i could write my own whatever
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own whatever
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own whatever but all of that stuff is implementation
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but all of that stuff is implementation
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but all of that stuff is implementation detail and so it belongs
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detail and so it belongs
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detail and so it belongs in infrastructure not in your domain
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in infrastructure not in your domain
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in infrastructure not in your domain model right
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model right
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model right great i that's a great answer um the
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great i that's a great answer um the
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great i that's a great answer um the next one is if we place
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next one is if we place
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next one is if we place any framework in infrastructure how to
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any framework in infrastructure how to
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any framework in infrastructure how to avoid leaky abstraction
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avoid leaky abstraction
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avoid leaky abstraction with regards to reference in another
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with regards to reference in another
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with regards to reference in another layer
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layer
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layer sure so the the most important layer
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sure so the the most important layer
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sure so the the most important layer that you want to protect
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that you want to protect
40:28
that you want to protect is your domain model right you want to
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is your domain model right you want to
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is your domain model right you want to have all your business logic in there
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have all your business logic in there
40:31
have all your business logic in there and you want to be easy to test and
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and you want to be easy to test and
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and you want to be easy to test and change and refactor and not have it be
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change and refactor and not have it be
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change and refactor and not have it be depending on
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depending on
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depending on the database or other infrastructure
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the database or other infrastructure
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the database or other infrastructure concerns so by having infrastructure
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concerns so by having infrastructure
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concerns so by having infrastructure depend
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depend
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depend on core you make it so it is impossible
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on core you make it so it is impossible
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on core you make it so it is impossible again it's falling into the pit of
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again it's falling into the pit of
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again it's falling into the pit of success it's impossible for anything in
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success it's impossible for anything in
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success it's impossible for anything in core to depend on infrastructure
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core to depend on infrastructure
40:47
core to depend on infrastructure because that would create a circular
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because that would create a circular
40:48
because that would create a circular project right so the compiler and visual
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project right so the compiler and visual
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project right so the compiler and visual studio will not let you do that
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studio will not let you do that
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studio will not let you do that now higher up the stack right you've got
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now higher up the stack right you've got
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now higher up the stack right you've got a user interface in this case we've got
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a user interface in this case we've got
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a user interface in this case we've got this web
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this web
40:56
this web project using asp.net core it can get to
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project using asp.net core it can get to
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project using asp.net core it can get to infrastructure and it can get to core
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infrastructure and it can get to core
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infrastructure and it can get to core and so theoretically you could have a
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and so theoretically you could have a
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and so theoretically you could have a controller in your web project
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controller in your web project
41:04
controller in your web project that takes a db context and just uses
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that takes a db context and just uses
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that takes a db context and just uses the data access layer directly
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the data access layer directly
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the data access layer directly you should not do that it is possible to
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you should not do that it is possible to
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you should not do that it is possible to not have a project reference
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not have a project reference
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not have a project reference on infrastructure to have the web
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on infrastructure to have the web
41:15
on infrastructure to have the web project only know about types
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project only know about types
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project only know about types that are in core and in the web project
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that are in core and in the web project
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that are in core and in the web project and the way you would do that is using
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and the way you would do that is using
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and the way you would do that is using uh not not the built-in di container
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uh not not the built-in di container
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uh not not the built-in di container that
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that
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that dot-net core ships with but use a
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dot-net core ships with but use a
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dot-net core ships with but use a third-party one like auto fact
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third-party one like auto fact
41:28
third-party one like auto fact and what those support is modules you
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and what those support is modules you
41:31
and what those support is modules you would put an auto fax module
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would put an auto fax module
41:32
would put an auto fax module inside of infrastructure and then when
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inside of infrastructure and then when
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inside of infrastructure and then when you build your solution
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you build your solution
41:36
you build your solution which again the web project would not
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which again the web project would not
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which again the web project would not even know about the infrastructure
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even know about the infrastructure
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even know about the infrastructure project
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project
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project when your solution builds and the
41:41
when your solution builds and the
41:41
when your solution builds and the infrastructure project's dll is in its
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infrastructure project's dll is in its
41:43
infrastructure project's dll is in its bin folder
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bin folder
41:44
bin folder you would add a post build event or a
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you would add a post build event or a
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you would add a post build event or a post-build action in visual studio
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post-build action in visual studio
41:49
post-build action in visual studio and it would copy that dll to the web
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and it would copy that dll to the web
41:51
and it would copy that dll to the web bin folder
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bin folder
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bin folder right and then when your web project
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right and then when your web project
41:54
right and then when your web project starts up in startup autofact will load
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starts up in startup autofact will load
41:56
starts up in startup autofact will load and you'll say hey go look for a dll
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and you'll say hey go look for a dll
41:58
and you'll say hey go look for a dll that has this this name or has this you
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that has this this name or has this you
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that has this this name or has this you know
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know
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know pattern and it would find the
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pattern and it would find the
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pattern and it would find the infrastructure dll it would load it
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infrastructure dll it would load it
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infrastructure dll it would load it and it would call that module and it
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and it would call that module and it
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and it would call that module and it would say wire up all the things
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would say wire up all the things
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would say wire up all the things and then your web project will be able
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and then your web project will be able
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and then your web project will be able to use that and provides a literally a
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to use that and provides a literally a
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to use that and provides a literally a plug-in
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plug-in
42:10
plug-in architecture where you can just drop in
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architecture where you can just drop in
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architecture where you can just drop in an infrastructure project as a dll
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an infrastructure project as a dll
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an infrastructure project as a dll and the web project will pick it up and
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and the web project will pick it up and
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and the web project will pick it up and wire everything up but at compile time
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wire everything up but at compile time
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wire everything up but at compile time when the developers are writing their
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when the developers are writing their
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when the developers are writing their code
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code
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code it cannot get to the db context it
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it cannot get to the db context it
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it cannot get to the db context it cannot get to any of the implementation
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cannot get to any of the implementation
42:24
cannot get to any of the implementation details
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details
42:25
details in that project now in practice i don't
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in that project now in practice i don't
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in that project now in practice i don't set things up like that in my template
42:29
set things up like that in my template
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set things up like that in my template because it is really nice and handy to
42:31
because it is really nice and handy to
42:31
because it is really nice and handy to be able to just step through and debug
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be able to just step through and debug
42:33
be able to just step through and debug and see
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and see
42:34
and see everything with that project reference
42:35
everything with that project reference
42:35
everything with that project reference so i don't recommend that you
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so i don't recommend that you
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so i don't recommend that you necessarily do that
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necessarily do that
42:38
necessarily do that i'm just saying you can do that you can
42:40
i'm just saying you can do that you can
42:40
i'm just saying you can do that you can make it impossible if you need to
42:42
make it impossible if you need to
42:42
make it impossible if you need to but if you trust your team to do what
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but if you trust your team to do what
42:43
but if you trust your team to do what they're supposed to do um
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they're supposed to do um
42:45
they're supposed to do um then in the web project the only place
42:47
then in the web project the only place
42:47
then in the web project the only place you should see
42:48
you should see
42:48
you should see infrastructure uh thanks for sharing the
42:50
infrastructure uh thanks for sharing the
42:50
infrastructure uh thanks for sharing the screen again um the only place you
42:51
screen again um the only place you
42:51
screen again um the only place you should see infrastructure show up
42:53
should see infrastructure show up
42:53
should see infrastructure show up in your using statements is in
42:55
in your using statements is in
42:55
in your using statements is in startup.cs because that's where you're
42:57
startup.cs because that's where you're
42:57
startup.cs because that's where you're to wire up those dependencies yeah wow
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to wire up those dependencies yeah wow
43:00
to wire up those dependencies yeah wow i you know we're not going to get to all
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i you know we're not going to get to all
43:02
i you know we're not going to get to all the questions everybody but i apologize
43:04
the questions everybody but i apologize
43:04
the questions everybody but i apologize for that but we're going to get to as
43:05
for that but we're going to get to as
43:05
for that but we're going to get to as much as much as we can
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much as much as we can
43:07
much as much as we can um i'll try and get shorter answers yeah
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um i'll try and get shorter answers yeah
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um i'll try and get shorter answers yeah uh
43:10
uh
43:10
uh no it's okay it's uh if we if we use a
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no it's okay it's uh if we if we use a
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no it's okay it's uh if we if we use a repository pattern
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repository pattern
43:14
repository pattern is it where's basically where's the
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is it where's basically where's the
43:16
is it where's basically where's the right place to put the update method
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right place to put the update method
43:18
right place to put the update method um it depends if you need a unit of work
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um it depends if you need a unit of work
43:21
um it depends if you need a unit of work you have to roll your own and wrap it
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you have to roll your own and wrap it
43:22
you have to roll your own and wrap it around and it's it's not terribly
43:23
around and it's it's not terribly
43:23
around and it's it's not terribly difficult to do so a lot of my clients
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difficult to do so a lot of my clients
43:25
difficult to do so a lot of my clients do that just create another unit of work
43:28
do that just create another unit of work
43:28
do that just create another unit of work interface
43:29
interface
43:29
interface you might have to expose a save changes
43:31
you might have to expose a save changes
43:31
you might have to expose a save changes method on your repository
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method on your repository
43:33
method on your repository the way mine is architected right now it
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the way mine is architected right now it
43:35
the way mine is architected right now it has a save changes
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has a save changes
43:37
has a save changes uh or no sorry it does not have a save
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uh or no sorry it does not have a save
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uh or no sorry it does not have a save changes method i
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changes method i
43:40
changes method i think if i remember right and so when
43:43
think if i remember right and so when
43:43
think if i remember right and so when you do an add or an update or delete
43:44
you do an add or an update or delete
43:44
you do an add or an update or delete it's going to immediately save that and
43:47
it's going to immediately save that and
43:47
it's going to immediately save that and so it lets you have these sort of very
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so it lets you have these sort of very
43:49
so it lets you have these sort of very atomic operations that are small grain
43:51
atomic operations that are small grain
43:51
atomic operations that are small grain but if you have a bigger thing that
43:53
but if you have a bigger thing that
43:53
but if you have a bigger thing that needs to all happen as part of one
43:54
needs to all happen as part of one
43:54
needs to all happen as part of one transaction maybe it spans multiple
43:56
transaction maybe it spans multiple
43:56
transaction maybe it spans multiple aggregates
43:56
aggregates
43:56
aggregates that's not what you want you're going to
43:57
that's not what you want you're going to
43:57
that's not what you want you're going to want that unit to work you're going to
43:58
want that unit to work you're going to
43:58
want that unit to work you're going to want that overall transaction so
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want that overall transaction so
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want that overall transaction so you just have to wrap that around and
44:03
you just have to wrap that around and
44:03
you just have to wrap that around and it's not difficult to do i just don't
44:04
it's not difficult to do i just don't
44:04
it's not difficult to do i just don't have it included out of the box because
44:05
have it included out of the box because
44:06
have it included out of the box because it's a little bit more complex
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it's a little bit more complex
44:07
it's a little bit more complex yeah yeah uh the infrastructure project
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yeah yeah uh the infrastructure project
44:10
yeah yeah uh the infrastructure project should not be referenced by other layers
44:12
should not be referenced by other layers
44:12
should not be referenced by other layers so am i not seeing a case for leaky
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so am i not seeing a case for leaky
44:14
so am i not seeing a case for leaky abstraction
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abstraction
44:15
abstraction yep um right yeah i think we covered
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yep um right yeah i think we covered
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yep um right yeah i think we covered that already yeah
44:18
that already yeah
44:18
that already yeah it shouldn't leak if you follow the
44:19
it shouldn't leak if you follow the
44:19
it shouldn't leak if you follow the practices you're supposed to and if your
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practices you're supposed to and if your
44:21
practices you're supposed to and if your team isn't following those practices you
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team isn't following those practices you
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team isn't following those practices you can enforce them
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can enforce them
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can enforce them by dropping that reference entirely and
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by dropping that reference entirely and
44:25
by dropping that reference entirely and using reflection to pull it in at
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using reflection to pull it in at
44:26
using reflection to pull it in at runtime
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runtime
44:28
runtime uh see uh we got one can we use this
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uh see uh we got one can we use this
44:31
uh see uh we got one can we use this test to drive uh
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test to drive uh
44:32
test to drive uh selenium ui testing can we use this to
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selenium ui testing can we use this to
44:35
selenium ui testing can we use this to data drive selenium
44:37
data drive selenium
44:37
data drive selenium yeah i don't know i've used selenium but
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yeah i don't know i've used selenium but
44:40
yeah i don't know i've used selenium but i don't see how
44:41
i don't see how
44:41
i don't see how this would work with that i don't get
44:42
this would work with that i don't get
44:42
this would work with that i don't get the connection so i don't know
44:44
the connection so i don't know
44:44
the connection so i don't know i'd like to know how simon knows which
44:46
i'd like to know how simon knows which
44:46
i'd like to know how simon knows which question i'm about to ask
44:48
question i'm about to ask
44:48
question i'm about to ask because i didn't go in order simon's a
44:51
because i didn't go in order simon's a
44:51
because i didn't go in order simon's a genius
44:52
genius
44:52
genius i mean it does let's see
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i mean it does let's see
44:55
i mean it does let's see let's get let's get away from leaky uh
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let's get let's get away from leaky uh
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let's get let's get away from leaky uh uh
44:58
uh
44:58
uh any clutches should be totally pure it
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any clutches should be totally pure it
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any clutches should be totally pure it should not depend on ef you should
45:03
should not depend on ef you should
45:03
should not depend on ef you should use fluent api
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use fluent api
45:07
use fluent api i'm not sure i'm not sure how to answer
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i'm not sure i'm not sure how to answer
45:09
i'm not sure i'm not sure how to answer that simon didn't
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that simon didn't
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that simon didn't bring that one up so i can't read it
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bring that one up so i can't read it
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bring that one up so i can't read it yeah yeah that's okay uh you can read it
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yeah yeah that's okay uh you can read it
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yeah yeah that's okay uh you can read it if you go to comments if i go to
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if you go to comments if i go to
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if you go to comments if i go to comments maybe i'll see it there all
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comments maybe i'll see it there all
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comments maybe i'll see it there all right
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right
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right fair enough um
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yeah uh here's a question our clean
45:24
yeah uh here's a question our clean
45:24
yeah uh here's a question our clean architecture and onion architecture the
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architecture and onion architecture the
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architecture and onion architecture the same yes
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same yes
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same yes basically uh how how can clean
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basically uh how how can clean
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basically uh how how can clean architecture be used in a microservice
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architecture be used in a microservice
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architecture be used in a microservice each microservice would typically be
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each microservice would typically be
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each microservice would typically be using this architecture right um and so
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using this architecture right um and so
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using this architecture right um and so you would
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you would
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you would you know have every microservice would
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you know have every microservice would
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you know have every microservice would would have these
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would have these
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would have these three projects or you know plus the
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three projects or you know plus the
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three projects or you know plus the shared kernel
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[Music] drop your um uh
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drop your um uh
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drop your um uh there's a thanks but i think that's
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there's a thanks but i think that's
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there's a thanks but i think that's pretty much the questions and uh
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pretty much the questions and uh
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pretty much the questions and uh we're kind of running short on you know
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we're kind of running short on you know
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we're kind of running short on you know we only got to one subject
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we only got to one subject
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we only got to one subject that's okay let's get to the next one no
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that's okay let's get to the next one no
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that's okay let's get to the next one no no i'm gonna have to have you back this
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no i'm gonna have to have you back this
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no i'm gonna have to have you back this is what i'm saying
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is what i'm saying
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is what i'm saying you know we've got we got 15 minutes
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you know we've got we got 15 minutes
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you know we've got we got 15 minutes right
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right
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right oh well i've got to do new code rules so
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oh well i've got to do new code rules so
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oh well i've got to do new code rules so i've got to stop at least
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i've got to stop at least
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i've got to stop at least oh no okay well i can always come back
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oh no okay well i can always come back
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oh no okay well i can always come back that's not a problem five or ten minutes
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that's not a problem five or ten minutes
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that's not a problem five or ten minutes um any more questions everybody let me
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um any more questions everybody let me
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um any more questions everybody let me look at my uh
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look at my uh
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look at my uh what else do we have on there let me let
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what else do we have on there let me let
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what else do we have on there let me let me show you one thing that is
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me show you one thing that is
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me show you one thing that is part of this template um that i was
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part of this template um that i was
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part of this template um that i was going to save and then
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going to save and then
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going to save and then i'll just spend five minutes on that and
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i'll just spend five minutes on that and
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i'll just spend five minutes on that and then i'll okay all right so
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then i'll okay all right so
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then i'll okay all right so uh i talked about api endpoints a couple
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uh i talked about api endpoints a couple
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uh i talked about api endpoints a couple times it's another
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times it's another
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times it's another uh github repo so if you go out
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uh github repo so if you go out
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uh github repo so if you go out here no that's not it where's
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here no that's not it where's
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here no that's not it where's i don't know i lost my browser that i
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i don't know i lost my browser that i
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i don't know i lost my browser that i was showing but go to just github.com
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was showing but go to just github.com
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was showing but go to just github.com our dallas api endpoints um and what
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our dallas api endpoints um and what
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our dallas api endpoints um and what that lets you do is basically not have
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that lets you do is basically not have
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that lets you do is basically not have big controllers so if we look at the uh
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big controllers so if we look at the uh
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big controllers so if we look at the uh api controller for projects controller
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api controller for projects controller
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api controller for projects controller um it has all the stuff to to work with
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um it has all the stuff to to work with
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um it has all the stuff to to work with projects
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projects
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projects and we already noted that it has a
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and we already noted that it has a
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and we already noted that it has a couple problems i have to fix but i'll
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couple problems i have to fix but i'll
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couple problems i have to fix but i'll get that taken care of
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get that taken care of
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get that taken care of um but it's it's not a ton of code but
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um but it's it's not a ton of code but
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um but it's it's not a ton of code but you can see there's all this stuff in
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you can see there's all this stuff in
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you can see there's all this stuff in here
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here
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here and when you're working on an api
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and when you're working on an api
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and when you're working on an api endpoint you basically never care about
47:04
endpoint you basically never care about
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endpoint you basically never care about any other endpoints except the one
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any other endpoints except the one
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any other endpoints except the one you're working on right so if i need to
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you're working on right so if i need to
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you're working on right so if i need to add
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add
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add some something that lets me create a new
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some something that lets me create a new
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some something that lets me create a new record with a with a post
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record with a with a post
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record with a with a post when i'm working on that i don't care at
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when i'm working on that i don't care at
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when i'm working on that i don't care at all about how get by id works right this
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all about how get by id works right this
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all about how get by id works right this is just clutter that i need to work
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is just clutter that i need to work
47:17
is just clutter that i need to work around
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around
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around um and so your controllers a lot of
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um and so your controllers a lot of
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um and so your controllers a lot of times they get really big and they have
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times they get really big and they have
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times they get really big and they have too much stuff in them
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too much stuff in them
47:22
too much stuff in them some people use mediator to kind of make
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some people use mediator to kind of make
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some people use mediator to kind of make that better so that you just have all
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that better so that you just have all
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that better so that you just have all these things throw commands and then you
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these things throw commands and then you
47:26
these things throw commands and then you have mediator handlers
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have mediator handlers
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have mediator handlers but now your controllers are all just
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but now your controllers are all just
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but now your controllers are all just sitting there doing nothing but just
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sitting there doing nothing but just
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sitting there doing nothing but just routing
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routing
47:31
routing uh and passing things to mediator so
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uh and passing things to mediator so
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uh and passing things to mediator so what what endpoints does
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what what endpoints does
47:35
what what endpoints does is it lets you say well i'm just i'm not
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is it lets you say well i'm just i'm not
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is it lets you say well i'm just i'm not going to even need to use mediator for
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going to even need to use mediator for
47:38
going to even need to use mediator for this
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this
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this you might need mediator for other things
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you might need mediator for other things
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you might need mediator for other things right mediator is still a useful tool
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right mediator is still a useful tool
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right mediator is still a useful tool but for specifically for this
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but for specifically for this
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but for specifically for this i can inherit from a base endpoint and
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i can inherit from a base endpoint and
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i can inherit from a base endpoint and have a handle method
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have a handle method
47:47
have a handle method just like you would have a mediator
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just like you would have a mediator
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just like you would have a mediator handler but without the need for
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handler but without the need for
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handler but without the need for mediator because this base async
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mediator because this base async
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mediator because this base async endpoint really
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endpoint really
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endpoint really is a controller uh and so it has all the
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is a controller uh and so it has all the
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is a controller uh and so it has all the controller features
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controller features
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controller features um and so it can have the route right
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um and so it can have the route right
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um and so it can have the route right here on it
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here on it
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here on it uh if you need any metadata for swagger
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uh if you need any metadata for swagger
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uh if you need any metadata for swagger you can add all that in here that's
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you can add all that in here that's
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you can add all that in here that's optional
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optional
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optional um and then in here you just deal with
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um and then in here you just deal with
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um and then in here you just deal with the one end point you care about
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the one end point you care about
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the one end point you care about now the other thing it lets you do is
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now the other thing it lets you do is
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now the other thing it lets you do is it's generic and it uses a fluent
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it's generic and it uses a fluent
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it's generic and it uses a fluent generic pattern
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generic pattern
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generic pattern so you can say dot with this request
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so you can say dot with this request
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so you can say dot with this request and that's the request that's going to
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and that's the request that's going to
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and that's the request that's going to come into your handle method and say dot
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come into your handle method and say dot
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come into your handle method and say dot with response
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with response
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with response and that's what you're going to return
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and that's what you're going to return
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and that's what you're going to return from your task of action result
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from your task of action result
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from your task of action result uh and so for each one of these you can
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uh and so for each one of these you can
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uh and so for each one of these you can specify those things you can even
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specify those things you can even
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specify those things you can even specify without a response or without a
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specify without a response or without a
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specify without a response or without a request
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request
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request um so that's that's where the fluid
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um so that's that's where the fluid
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um so that's that's where the fluid interface becomes handy because
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interface becomes handy because
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interface becomes handy because if it was just a an endpoint of you know
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if it was just a an endpoint of you know
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if it was just a an endpoint of you know t1 comma t2
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t1 comma t2
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t1 comma t2 it wouldn't let you do that um you know
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it wouldn't let you do that um you know
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it wouldn't let you do that um you know because specifically the problem is when
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because specifically the problem is when
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because specifically the problem is when you only have one of them
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you only have one of them
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you only have one of them if you only have one you have to decide
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if you only have one you have to decide
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if you only have one you have to decide if it's going to handle something that
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if it's going to handle something that
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if it's going to handle something that has just a request or something that is
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has just a request or something that is
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has just a request or something that is just a response
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just a response
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just a response and you actually need both of those in
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and you actually need both of those in
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and you actually need both of those in different cases um and so this lets you
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different cases um and so this lets you
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different cases um and so this lets you do that
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do that
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do that now where are those types well they're
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now where are those types well they're
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now where are those types well they're right here with it right so when i'm
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right here with it right so when i'm
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right here with it right so when i'm working on create
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working on create
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working on create and i want to see well where's the api
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and i want to see well where's the api
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and i want to see well where's the api or where's the the dto for this api um
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or where's the the dto for this api um
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or where's the the dto for this api um well it's it's attached to it it's right
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well it's it's attached to it it's right
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well it's it's attached to it it's right here
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here
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here uh and so is the response so everything
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uh and so is the response so everything
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uh and so is the response so everything is in one place you don't have to scroll
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is in one place you don't have to scroll
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is in one place you don't have to scroll around
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around
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around you don't have a separate api models
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you don't have a separate api models
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you don't have a separate api models folder it's it's a much nicer way to
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folder it's it's a much nicer way to
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folder it's it's a much nicer way to work in my opinion
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work in my opinion
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work in my opinion yeah yeah and so i guess i missed it so
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yeah yeah and so i guess i missed it so
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yeah yeah and so i guess i missed it so you
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you
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you you create a different uh endpoint at
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you create a different uh endpoint at
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you create a different uh endpoint at least
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least
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least what you're showing for every kind of
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what you're showing for every kind of
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what you're showing for every kind of action right yeah for each
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action right yeah for each
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action right yeah for each api endpoint that shows up in swagger
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api endpoint that shows up in swagger
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api endpoint that shows up in swagger that you expose um there's one class
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that you expose um there's one class
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that you expose um there's one class with one method
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with one method
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with one method right and that's it right so when you're
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right and that's it right so when you're
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right and that's it right so when you're working on it you just have one thing to
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working on it you just have one thing to
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working on it you just have one thing to focus on
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focus on
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focus on um you only have whatever dependencies
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um you only have whatever dependencies
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um you only have whatever dependencies that one method needs like a lot of
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that one method needs like a lot of
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that one method needs like a lot of times your controller ends up with like
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times your controller ends up with like
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times your controller ends up with like 12 front dependencies injected
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12 front dependencies injected
49:40
12 front dependencies injected but no one entity no one sorry no one
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but no one entity no one sorry no one
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but no one entity no one sorry no one action
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action
49:43
action needs all those dependencies um they
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needs all those dependencies um they
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needs all those dependencies um they just kind of accrue over time as a form
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just kind of accrue over time as a form
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just kind of accrue over time as a form of technical debt
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of technical debt
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of technical debt uh so here you only have the
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uh so here you only have the
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uh so here you only have the dependencies that you need for this
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dependencies that you need for this
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dependencies that you need for this exact endpoint
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exact endpoint
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exact endpoint yeah yeah oh that's this this looks
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yeah yeah oh that's this this looks
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yeah yeah oh that's this this looks awesome i uh
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awesome i uh
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awesome i uh you know well you've been talking you
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you know well you've been talking you
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you know well you've been talking you know i've been thinking you know just
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know i've been thinking you know just
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know i've been thinking you know just you know just the importance of proper
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you know just the importance of proper
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you know just the importance of proper architecture
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architecture
50:04
architecture right you know because you know doing
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right you know because you know doing
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right you know because you know doing what you're saying
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what you're saying
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what you're saying i mean you i know you have a template
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i mean you i know you have a template
50:09
i mean you i know you have a template and everything but that takes a lot more
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and everything but that takes a lot more
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and everything but that takes a lot more work and not a lot more work but it
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work and not a lot more work but it
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work and not a lot more work but it takes more work than just saying
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takes more work than just saying
50:13
takes more work than just saying hey i'm going to create a repository get
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hey i'm going to create a repository get
50:15
hey i'm going to create a repository get some data and throw it up on a web page
50:17
some data and throw it up on a web page
50:17
some data and throw it up on a web page right
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right
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right right and unfortunately that's the way
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right and unfortunately that's the way
50:19
right and unfortunately that's the way most code goes these days right it's
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most code goes these days right it's
50:21
most code goes these days right it's sure
50:21
sure
50:21
sure it's it's very fast we got to get it
50:23
it's it's very fast we got to get it
50:23
it's it's very fast we got to get it done you know let's just slap it in
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done you know let's just slap it in
50:24
done you know let's just slap it in there and get it done
50:25
there and get it done
50:26
there and get it done you know and the one thing i preach
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you know and the one thing i preach
50:27
you know and the one thing i preach about all the time is
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about all the time is
50:29
about all the time is you're you're basically creating a
50:32
you're you're basically creating a
50:32
you're you're basically creating a disaster later
50:33
disaster later
50:33
disaster later right and and it's going to be so bad
50:36
right and and it's going to be so bad
50:36
right and and it's going to be so bad that you won't be able to change things
50:38
that you won't be able to change things
50:38
that you won't be able to change things right or make it so difficult to change
50:40
right or make it so difficult to change
50:40
right or make it so difficult to change things and that's why i preach over and
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things and that's why i preach over and
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things and that's why i preach over and over again that
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over again that
50:43
over again that you have to up front you have to spend
50:46
you have to up front you have to spend
50:46
you have to up front you have to spend time
50:47
time
50:47
time doing architecture right because
50:49
doing architecture right because
50:50
doing architecture right because otherwise
50:50
otherwise
50:50
otherwise and like using an architecture template
50:52
and like using an architecture template
50:52
and like using an architecture template like you have
50:53
like you have
50:53
like you have you know because you know for to save
50:56
you know because you know for to save
50:56
you know because you know for to save yourself later
50:57
yourself later
50:57
yourself later right yeah it's like it's like building
50:59
right yeah it's like it's like building
50:59
right yeah it's like it's like building a house but not spending a lot of time
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a house but not spending a lot of time
51:00
a house but not spending a lot of time on a foundation so right now we don't
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on a foundation so right now we don't
51:02
on a foundation so right now we don't have time to pour a foundation we just
51:03
have time to pour a foundation we just
51:03
have time to pour a foundation we just need to get this house up right and you
51:04
need to get this house up right and you
51:04
need to get this house up right and you build the thing and then the next
51:05
build the thing and then the next
51:05
build the thing and then the next thunderstorm comes along and the house
51:06
thunderstorm comes along and the house
51:06
thunderstorm comes along and the house goes
51:07
goes
51:07
goes yeah yeah yeah exactly it's not really
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yeah yeah yeah exactly it's not really
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yeah yeah yeah exactly it's not really saving you time in the long run
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saving you time in the long run
51:11
saving you time in the long run yeah yeah yeah and you know i i've yet
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yeah yeah yeah and you know i i've yet
51:13
yeah yeah yeah and you know i i've yet to
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to
51:15
to i've yet to find a good way to explain
51:17
i've yet to find a good way to explain
51:17
i've yet to find a good way to explain this to bean counters
51:19
this to bean counters
51:19
this to bean counters right because they're the problem to me
51:21
right because they're the problem to me
51:22
right because they're the problem to me most of the time is that
51:23
most of the time is that
51:23
most of the time is that they only see what's in their excel
51:25
they only see what's in their excel
51:25
they only see what's in their excel spreadsheet right and so
51:26
spreadsheet right and so
51:26
spreadsheet right and so you know if you spend you know let's say
51:29
you know if you spend you know let's say
51:29
you know if you spend you know let's say let's say 500 hours setting this up for
51:32
let's say 500 hours setting this up for
51:32
let's say 500 hours setting this up for a new project let's say you know they're
51:34
a new project let's say you know they're
51:34
a new project let's say you know they're going to say well what did you do
51:36
going to say well what did you do
51:36
going to say well what did you do because you didn't produce anything
51:37
because you didn't produce anything
51:38
because you didn't produce anything really you just architected something
51:39
really you just architected something
51:40
really you just architected something and
51:40
and
51:40
and this is where that money is invaluable
51:42
this is where that money is invaluable
51:42
this is where that money is invaluable to me is when you do spend that 500
51:45
to me is when you do spend that 500
51:45
to me is when you do spend that 500 hours doing proper architecture
51:47
hours doing proper architecture
51:47
hours doing proper architecture because later and this is what they
51:49
because later and this is what they
51:49
because later and this is what they don't see is later
51:50
don't see is later
51:50
don't see is later it's going to be so easy to make changes
51:53
it's going to be so easy to make changes
51:53
it's going to be so easy to make changes and and to add new features and things
51:55
and and to add new features and things
51:55
and and to add new features and things like that
51:56
like that
51:56
like that that it what it pays for itself the
51:58
that it what it pays for itself the
51:58
that it what it pays for itself the first time
51:59
first time
51:59
first time right right to me and the the foundation
52:01
right right to me and the the foundation
52:01
right right to me and the the foundation is the metaphor i use a lot of times not
52:03
is the metaphor i use a lot of times not
52:03
is the metaphor i use a lot of times not the only one
52:04
the only one
52:04
the only one you know financial metaphors like
52:05
you know financial metaphors like
52:05
you know financial metaphors like technical debt work really well also
52:07
technical debt work really well also
52:07
technical debt work really well also um but if you if you want to and you
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um but if you if you want to and you
52:09
um but if you if you want to and you have the
52:10
have the
52:10
have the benefit of actually working with the
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benefit of actually working with the
52:11
benefit of actually working with the person in the same building you say hey
52:13
person in the same building you say hey
52:13
person in the same building you say hey come come with me for a walk
52:14
come come with me for a walk
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come come with me for a walk take them outside turn around look at
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take them outside turn around look at
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take them outside turn around look at the building and say see this building
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the building and say see this building
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the building and say see this building what do you see i see
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what do you see i see
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what do you see i see the floor i see the thing i see the
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the floor i see the thing i see the
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the floor i see the thing i see the windows okay what you don't see is that
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windows okay what you don't see is that
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windows okay what you don't see is that underneath that there's a whole lot of
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underneath that there's a whole lot of
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underneath that there's a whole lot of work and a whole lot of concrete
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work and a whole lot of concrete
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work and a whole lot of concrete that's keeping that building from
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that's keeping that building from
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that's keeping that building from falling down right and that's the part
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falling down right and that's the part
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falling down right and that's the part that i did for the last 500 hours
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that i did for the last 500 hours
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that i did for the last 500 hours is the thing that we're going to build
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is the thing that we're going to build
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is the thing that we're going to build on top of and if we don't have that
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on top of and if we don't have that
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on top of and if we don't have that we might still be able to deliver
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we might still be able to deliver
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we might still be able to deliver something but it's going to fall down
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something but it's going to fall down
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something but it's going to fall down you know shortly thereafter just like
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you know shortly thereafter just like
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you know shortly thereafter just like the building in florida on thursday
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the building in florida on thursday
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the building in florida on thursday right yeah oh my gosh
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right yeah oh my gosh
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right yeah oh my gosh you know it's crazy i mean but you know
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you know it's crazy i mean but you know
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you know it's crazy i mean but you know that's and i'm glad you brought up the
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that's and i'm glad you brought up the
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that's and i'm glad you brought up the architecture i mean that you know the
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architecture i mean that you know the
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architecture i mean that you know the building
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building
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building thing because i i talk i talk about that
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thing because i i talk i talk about that
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thing because i i talk i talk about that a lot too is
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a lot too is
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a lot too is you know how many buildings are built
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you know how many buildings are built
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you know how many buildings are built the way we build software
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the way we build software
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the way we build software can you imagine if buildings were built
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can you imagine if buildings were built
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can you imagine if buildings were built the way we built software
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the way we built software
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the way we built software you know they it a a small wind would
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you know they it a a small wind would
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you know they it a a small wind would blow it down
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blow it down
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blow it down right right yeah
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right right yeah
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right right yeah or or build a house or build a building
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or or build a house or build a building
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or or build a house or build a building an agile fashion
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an agile fashion
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an agile fashion yeah here's a building but we haven't
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yeah here's a building but we haven't
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yeah here's a building but we haven't got done we haven't got the stairwells
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got done we haven't got the stairwells
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got done we haven't got the stairwells done yet so good luck with that
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done yet so good luck with that
53:12
done yet so good luck with that you know but you know how many times
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you know but you know how many times
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you know but you know how many times i've tried to refactor my house and it's
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i've tried to refactor my house and it's
53:16
i've tried to refactor my house and it's like oh if only i could just refactor
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like oh if only i could just refactor
53:17
like oh if only i could just refactor it's like i need that wall to move two
53:19
it's like i need that wall to move two
53:19
it's like i need that wall to move two feet that way like yeah
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feet that way like yeah
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feet that way like yeah it doesn't work that way yeah yeah well
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it doesn't work that way yeah yeah well
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it doesn't work that way yeah yeah well we gotta wrap up so
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we gotta wrap up so
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we gotta wrap up so you know the last i i really i'm
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you know the last i i really i'm
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you know the last i i really i'm definitely gonna
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definitely gonna
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definitely gonna show this whole template thing do you
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show this whole template thing do you
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show this whole template thing do you talk about this in your pluralsight
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talk about this in your pluralsight
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talk about this in your pluralsight course
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course
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course uh it is covered um in the pluralsight
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uh it is covered um in the pluralsight
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uh it is covered um in the pluralsight domain driven design fundamentals course
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domain driven design fundamentals course
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domain driven design fundamentals course that uh julie lerman and i did together
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that uh julie lerman and i did together
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that uh julie lerman and i did together uh and we just shipped a brand new
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uh and we just shipped a brand new
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uh and we just shipped a brand new version that's there yeah i know
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version that's there yeah i know
53:39
version that's there yeah i know everything's running.f5
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everything's running.f5
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everything's running.f5 um like last month oh i'm gonna check
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um like last month oh i'm gonna check
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um like last month oh i'm gonna check that out next week for sure
53:45
that out next week for sure
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that out next week for sure and uh because i you know i get three mv
53:48
and uh because i you know i get three mv
53:48
and uh because i you know i get three mv i get
53:48
i get
53:48
i get free pluralsight you know because mvp
53:50
free pluralsight you know because mvp
53:50
free pluralsight you know because mvp stuff just like
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stuff just like
53:52
stuff just like um but you get it because you're an
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um but you get it because you're an
53:54
um but you get it because you're an author
53:56
author
53:56
author obviously so yeah yeah so i know you
53:59
obviously so yeah yeah so i know you
53:59
obviously so yeah yeah so i know you love coding it's obvious you love coding
54:01
love coding it's obvious you love coding
54:01
love coding it's obvious you love coding but what do you
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but what do you
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but what do you love to do besides coding i like to play
54:05
love to do besides coding i like to play
54:05
love to do besides coding i like to play board games
54:05
board games
54:05
board games i like to hike and bike and swim and
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i like to hike and bike and swim and
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i like to hike and bike and swim and you know we're getting ready to go on a
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you know we're getting ready to go on a
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you know we're getting ready to go on a camping trip next week
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camping trip next week
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camping trip next week uh with the family so for the poor
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uh with the family so for the poor
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uh with the family so for the poor uh no but just just you know somewhere
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uh no but just just you know somewhere
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uh no but just just you know somewhere to get away from people
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to get away from people
54:19
to get away from people um we have two little kids that are just
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um we have two little kids that are just
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um we have two little kids that are just six and they're not vaccinated so we're
54:22
six and they're not vaccinated so we're
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six and they're not vaccinated so we're not trying to get into any big crowds
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not trying to get into any big crowds
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not trying to get into any big crowds in the woods is the reasonable way to
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in the woods is the reasonable way to
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in the woods is the reasonable way to get away and not not be
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get away and not not be
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get away and not not be in crowds so well where are you going
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in crowds so well where are you going
54:30
in crowds so well where are you going just going to southern ohio
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just going to southern ohio
54:31
just going to southern ohio um there's a campground down there
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um there's a campground down there
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um there's a campground down there cool if you mention it though maybe some
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cool if you mention it though maybe some
54:36
cool if you mention it though maybe some people come in and ask you
54:38
people come in and ask you
54:38
people come in and ask you coding questions so how keep it secret
54:41
coding questions so how keep it secret
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coding questions so how keep it secret then
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then
54:42
then and the last question of course i always
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and the last question of course i always
54:43
and the last question of course i always ask is do you have anything to plug you
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ask is do you have anything to plug you
54:45
ask is do you have anything to plug you know
54:45
know
54:45
know besides your website in pluralsight
54:47
besides your website in pluralsight
54:47
besides your website in pluralsight anything else
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anything else
54:48
anything else um yeah the dev better coaching program
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um yeah the dev better coaching program
54:51
um yeah the dev better coaching program that i mentioned
54:52
that i mentioned
54:52
that i mentioned um is is open to folks it's not free um
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um is is open to folks it's not free um
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um is is open to folks it's not free um but it is uh
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but it is uh
54:56
but it is uh a good community of folks that are all
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a good community of folks that are all
54:57
a good community of folks that are all trying to improve themselves and
54:59
trying to improve themselves and
54:59
trying to improve themselves and uh you know increase their their career
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uh you know increase their their career
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uh you know increase their their career so i would just plug that
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so i would just plug that
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so i would just plug that otherwise you can you know find all my
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otherwise you can you know find all my
55:04
otherwise you can you know find all my free resources on ourdallas.com
55:06
free resources on ourdallas.com
55:06
free resources on ourdallas.com i have a newsletter i send out every
55:08
i have a newsletter i send out every
55:08
i have a newsletter i send out every week from there if you go to the tips
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week from there if you go to the tips
55:10
week from there if you go to the tips link at the top and then i've got a ton
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link at the top and then i've got a ton
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link at the top and then i've got a ton of stuff on pluralsight if you have a
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of stuff on pluralsight if you have a
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of stuff on pluralsight if you have a subscription or if you don't you can get
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subscription or if you don't you can get
55:15
subscription or if you don't you can get a trial and watch it for free
55:17
a trial and watch it for free
55:17
a trial and watch it for free and and that's that's probably about it
55:19
and and that's that's probably about it
55:19
and and that's that's probably about it i got a bunch of ebooks that are free
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i got a bunch of ebooks that are free
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i got a bunch of ebooks that are free from microsoft too so
55:22
from microsoft too so
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from microsoft too so uh you'll find those on our dallas.com
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uh you'll find those on our dallas.com
55:24
uh you'll find those on our dallas.com as well cool
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as well cool
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as well cool well you know i really appreciate you
55:27
well you know i really appreciate you
55:27
well you know i really appreciate you being on the show i and this has turned
55:29
being on the show i and this has turned
55:29
being on the show i and this has turned out to be an awesome show
55:30
out to be an awesome show
55:30
out to be an awesome show and uh it's also my shows are awesome
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and uh it's also my shows are awesome
55:34
and uh it's also my shows are awesome when i have fun
55:35
when i have fun
55:35
when i have fun which i have fun in all my shows but
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which i have fun in all my shows but
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which i have fun in all my shows but when i get to learn something
55:39
when i get to learn something
55:39
when i get to learn something right and uh you know i love learning
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right and uh you know i love learning
55:41
right and uh you know i love learning and it's it's great to have guests on
55:43
and it's it's great to have guests on
55:43
and it's it's great to have guests on that you know i can
55:44
that you know i can
55:44
that you know i can i can learn something from because we
55:45
i can learn something from because we
55:45
i can learn something from because we all we all can learn right
55:47
all we all can learn right
55:47
all we all can learn right um no no one knows everything right and
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um no no one knows everything right and
55:49
um no no one knows everything right and so uh keep learning out there everybody
55:51
so uh keep learning out there everybody
55:51
so uh keep learning out there everybody and and please check out steve's courses
55:53
and and please check out steve's courses
55:53
and and please check out steve's courses and
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and
55:54
and and books and things like that and uh
55:56
and books and things like that and uh
55:56
and books and things like that and uh and uh you have a welcome open
55:58
and uh you have a welcome open
55:58
and uh you have a welcome open invitation anytime you want to come on
55:59
invitation anytime you want to come on
55:59
invitation anytime you want to come on the show because we only got to one
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the show because we only got to one
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the show because we only got to one subject then there's at least two more
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subject then there's at least two more
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subject then there's at least two more left so
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left so
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left so sure sure anytime you want to come on
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sure sure anytime you want to come on
56:05
sure sure anytime you want to come on just let me know and uh we'll hook you
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just let me know and uh we'll hook you
56:06
just let me know and uh we'll hook you up if you want to hang out afterwards we
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up if you want to hang out afterwards we
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up if you want to hang out afterwards we can tell you the numbers for mvp stuff
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can tell you the numbers for mvp stuff
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can tell you the numbers for mvp stuff um after the show but if you've got to
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um after the show but if you've got to
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um after the show but if you've got to go somewhere just email me i can email
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go somewhere just email me i can email
56:14
go somewhere just email me i can email you the numbers yeah that's fine right
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you the numbers yeah that's fine right
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you the numbers yeah that's fine right well thank you very much i really
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well thank you very much i really
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well thank you very much i really appreciate it
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appreciate it
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appreciate it thank you it was a lot of fun yeah thank
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thank you it was a lot of fun yeah thank
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thank you it was a lot of fun yeah thank you everybody
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you everybody
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you everybody wow that was a uh that was an awesome
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wow that was a uh that was an awesome
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wow that was a uh that was an awesome that was an awesome uh a really great
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that was an awesome uh a really great
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that was an awesome uh a really great uh sorry i was looking at my powerpoint
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uh sorry i was looking at my powerpoint
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uh sorry i was looking at my powerpoint slides now
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slides now
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slides now i'm still reeling from that it's uh that
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i'm still reeling from that it's uh that
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i'm still reeling from that it's uh that was really uh
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was really uh
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was really uh fast paced and i learned a lot and i
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fast paced and i learned a lot and i
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fast paced and i learned a lot and i can't wait to go check out steve's uh
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can't wait to go check out steve's uh
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can't wait to go check out steve's uh uh courses and things like that um i
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uh courses and things like that um i
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uh courses and things like that um i definitely have already seen things that
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definitely have already seen things that
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definitely have already seen things that i want to use in the next project i work
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i want to use in the next project i work
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i want to use in the next project i work on for sure
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on for sure
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on for sure so um everybody wins a copy of code rush
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so um everybody wins a copy of code rush
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so um everybody wins a copy of code rush from devexpress as
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from devexpress as
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from devexpress as as i always say devexpress i mean code
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as i always say devexpress i mean code
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as i always say devexpress i mean code rush is my favorite refactoring tool
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rush is my favorite refactoring tool
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rush is my favorite refactoring tool it's the only one i've used for visual
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it's the only one i've used for visual
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it's the only one i've used for visual studio
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studio
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studio and so if you want to use the same
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and so if you want to use the same
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and so if you want to use the same refactoring tool that i do i just go to
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refactoring tool that i do i just go to
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refactoring tool that i do i just go to devexpress.com.dave
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devexpress.com.dave
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devexpress.com.dave and get a free license copy it's not
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and get a free license copy it's not
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and get a free license copy it's not fake or
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fake or
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fake or stripped down or anything and uh and if
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stripped down or anything and uh and if
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stripped down or anything and uh and if you do
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you do
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you do download it let me know how you like it
57:10
download it let me know how you like it
57:10
download it let me know how you like it you know i love it so let me know how
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you know i love it so let me know how
57:12
you know i love it so let me know how you like it
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you like it
57:14
you like it so i have some geek humor today i
57:15
so i have some geek humor today i
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so i have some geek humor today i thought it was appropriate for
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thought it was appropriate for
57:17
thought it was appropriate for um you know american america kind of
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um you know american america kind of
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um you know american america kind of opening up again
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opening up again
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opening up again and i kind of did a cartoon about this a
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and i kind of did a cartoon about this a
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and i kind of did a cartoon about this a month ago uh but i
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month ago uh but i
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month ago uh but i i think this one is better than the
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i think this one is better than the
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i think this one is better than the cartoon that i made and you know
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cartoon that i made and you know
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cartoon that i made and you know everybody should come back to the office
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everybody should come back to the office
57:30
everybody should come back to the office i've had managers do this before
57:32
i've had managers do this before
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i've had managers do this before literally and and uh and not be
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literally and and uh and not be
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literally and and uh and not be before covet of course and why
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before covet of course and why
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before covet of course and why productivity hasn't dipped
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productivity hasn't dipped
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productivity hasn't dipped saving commute time and actually
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saving commute time and actually
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saving commute time and actually microsoft has proven they've gotten more
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microsoft has proven they've gotten more
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microsoft has proven they've gotten more productivity out of it right and uh why
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productivity out of it right and uh why
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productivity out of it right and uh why do you want me to come back in the
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do you want me to come back in the
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do you want me to come back in the office
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office
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office so i can monitor you better
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so i can monitor you better
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so i can monitor you better well what have you been doing the last
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well what have you been doing the last
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well what have you been doing the last year
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year
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year i don't know i i really hope companies
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i don't know i i really hope companies
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i don't know i i really hope companies you know take on microsoft's uh guidance
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you know take on microsoft's uh guidance
58:00
you know take on microsoft's uh guidance you know in what they're doing and uh
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you know in what they're doing and uh
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you know in what they're doing and uh doing a hybrid model
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doing a hybrid model
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doing a hybrid model and not making everybody come back into
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and not making everybody come back into
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and not making everybody come back into work um anymore
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work um anymore
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work um anymore you know and i know a lot of other
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you know and i know a lot of other
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you know and i know a lot of other companies are adopting that too
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companies are adopting that too
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companies are adopting that too and and uh i think it's a great idea
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and and uh i think it's a great idea
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and and uh i think it's a great idea because i work
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because i work
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because i work i love working at home but just because
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i love working at home but just because
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i love working at home but just because i'm more productive i don't mind going
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i'm more productive i don't mind going
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i'm more productive i don't mind going in
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in
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in and chatting with people once a while
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and chatting with people once a while
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and chatting with people once a while but you know i
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but you know i
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but you know i prefer to be at home because i just get
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prefer to be at home because i just get
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prefer to be at home because i just get more work done um
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more work done um
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more work done um and i live a mile from the beach you can
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and i live a mile from the beach you can
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and i live a mile from the beach you can see one of the pictures i've taken
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see one of the pictures i've taken
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see one of the pictures i've taken behind me
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behind me
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behind me that my chair's in the way sorry uh so
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that my chair's in the way sorry uh so
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that my chair's in the way sorry uh so i'd rather be here than a stuffy office
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i'd rather be here than a stuffy office
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i'd rather be here than a stuffy office and a big cube land
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and a big cube land
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and a big cube land and stuff like that right there um
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and stuff like that right there um
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and stuff like that right there um it's all right new code rules
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it's all right new code rules
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it's all right new code rules so today's new code rules is actually
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so today's new code rules is actually
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so today's new code rules is actually based on
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based on
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based on uh some the information that came back
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uh some the information that came back
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uh some the information that came back to me from the conference last week so
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to me from the conference last week so
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to me from the conference last week so most of you know
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most of you know
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most of you know i hosted along with c-sharp corner live
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i hosted along with c-sharp corner live
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i hosted along with c-sharp corner live uh
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uh
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uh what i built the world's first uh code
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what i built the world's first uh code
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what i built the world's first uh code quality
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quality
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quality and performance conference and um
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and performance conference and um
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and performance conference and um and uh even though simon and i were
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and uh even though simon and i were
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and uh even though simon and i were punch drunk at the end
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punch drunk at the end
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punch drunk at the end uh i had a great time and i had a lot of
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uh i had a great time and i had a lot of
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uh i had a great time and i had a lot of great
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great
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great um awesome speakers on it and uh it took
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um awesome speakers on it and uh it took
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um awesome speakers on it and uh it took me a few days to recover from the
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me a few days to recover from the
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me a few days to recover from the conference even though i was sitting in
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conference even though i was sitting in
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conference even though i was sitting in a chair most of the time
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a chair most of the time
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a chair most of the time but uh uh the conference kind of showed
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but uh uh the conference kind of showed
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but uh uh the conference kind of showed me
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me
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me what i already knew but i kind of want
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what i already knew but i kind of want
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what i already knew but i kind of want to share this and and kind of make a
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to share this and and kind of make a
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to share this and and kind of make a point with no code worlds today
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point with no code worlds today
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point with no code worlds today so
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so new code rules um conference sessions
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so new code rules um conference sessions
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so new code rules um conference sessions must include what devs need to learn and
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must include what devs need to learn and
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must include what devs need to learn and i'll
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i'll
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i'll come back to this in the last slide um
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come back to this in the last slide um
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come back to this in the last slide um this has been a kind of a pet peeve of
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this has been a kind of a pet peeve of
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this has been a kind of a pet peeve of mine for a while now
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mine for a while now
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mine for a while now you know when you go to most well i'll
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you know when you go to most well i'll
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you know when you go to most well i'll talk about that when that slide comes up
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talk about that when that slide comes up
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talk about that when that slide comes up but but i believe you know this
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but but i believe you know this
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but but i believe you know this conference you know
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conference you know
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conference you know showed uh you know kind of gives me data
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showed uh you know kind of gives me data
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showed uh you know kind of gives me data to
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to
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to to to know this is true right um
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to to know this is true right um
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to to know this is true right um because most of the great conference
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because most of the great conference
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because most of the great conference sessions i've been to
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sessions i've been to
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sessions i've been to had nothing to do with the newfangled
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had nothing to do with the newfangled
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had nothing to do with the newfangled thing that came out right it had to do
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thing that came out right it had to do
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thing that came out right it had to do with more of like what steve was talking
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with more of like what steve was talking
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with more of like what steve was talking about
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about
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about um and uh so i i think conferences need
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um and uh so i i think conferences need
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um and uh so i i think conferences need to
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to
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to purposely you know do things like this
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purposely you know do things like this
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purposely you know do things like this so
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so
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so let me share some data from last week so
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let me share some data from last week so
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let me share some data from last week so um last week you know we we had nine
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um last week you know we we had nine
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um last week you know we we had nine speakers including myself
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speakers including myself
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speakers including myself we had over 65 000 viewers
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we had over 65 000 viewers
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we had over 65 000 viewers yeah i don't even believe that number
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yeah i don't even believe that number
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yeah i don't even believe that number when
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when
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when when simon told me this number i was
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when simon told me this number i was
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when simon told me this number i was going you're kidding me right
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going you're kidding me right
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going you're kidding me right there's no way but we had over 65 000
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there's no way but we had over 65 000
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there's no way but we had over 65 000 viewers
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viewers
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viewers as of like monday or tuesday right with
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as of like monday or tuesday right with
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as of like monday or tuesday right with over 500 comments like we got so many
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over 500 comments like we got so many
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over 500 comments like we got so many great comments i was really happy about
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great comments i was really happy about
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great comments i was really happy about that
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that
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that and the age group um i was 18 to 45
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and the age group um i was 18 to 45
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and the age group um i was 18 to 45 i'm not going to share the other
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i'm not going to share the other
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i'm not going to share the other demographics because it's kind of boring
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demographics because it's kind of boring
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demographics because it's kind of boring for you but um i thought the conference
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for you but um i thought the conference
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for you but um i thought the conference went great i don't know if you've uh
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went great i don't know if you've uh
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went great i don't know if you've uh you know uh uh saw the conference last
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you know uh uh saw the conference last
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you know uh uh saw the conference last week and
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week and
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week and and uh watched some of the sessions but
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and uh watched some of the sessions but
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and uh watched some of the sessions but um
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um
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um i really i you know during the
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i really i you know during the
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i really i you know during the conference last week i was going we're
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conference last week i was going we're
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conference last week i was going we're going to do this again next year
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going to do this again next year
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going to do this again next year because it was going so well even
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because it was going so well even
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because it was going so well even halfway through and um
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halfway through and um
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halfway through and um and these numbers prove it that it went
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and these numbers prove it that it went
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and these numbers prove it that it went so well
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so so i did a little research this week
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so so i did a little research this week
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so so i did a little research this week and i looked at all the major
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and i looked at all the major
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and i looked at all the major conferences that have been announced in
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conferences that have been announced in
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conferences that have been announced in the united states and for 2021 and i
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the united states and for 2021 and i
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the united states and for 2021 and i looked at
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looked at
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looked at all their sessions and most conferences
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all their sessions and most conferences
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all their sessions and most conferences had no
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had no
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had no sessions wrapped around what we were
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sessions wrapped around what we were
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sessions wrapped around what we were talking about last week
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talking about last week
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talking about last week a couple had one one had two and that's
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a couple had one one had two and that's
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a couple had one one had two and that's about it
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about it
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about it you know and uh that
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you know and uh that
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you know and uh that does not to me that's not good right um
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does not to me that's not good right um
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does not to me that's not good right um because we're not teaching these kind of
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because we're not teaching these kind of
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because we're not teaching these kind of skills
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skills
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skills that you will use through your entire
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that you will use through your entire
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that you will use through your entire career right
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career right
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career right because frameworks come and go languages
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because frameworks come and go languages
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because frameworks come and go languages come and go but skills
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come and go but skills
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come and go but skills like architecture you know things like
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like architecture you know things like
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like architecture you know things like that will stay with you your entire
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that will stay with you your entire
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that will stay with you your entire career
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career
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career and i think this needs to be better at
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and i think this needs to be better at
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and i think this needs to be better at conferences
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conferences
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conferences and so much so back in 2016 i wrote this
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and so much so back in 2016 i wrote this
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and so much so back in 2016 i wrote this article
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article
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article basically saying this that conferences
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basically saying this that conferences
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basically saying this that conferences because i was frustrated
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because i was frustrated
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because i was frustrated because conferences were picking up my
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because conferences were picking up my
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because conferences were picking up my sessions around this topic
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sessions around this topic
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sessions around this topic and the only thing i could think of is
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and the only thing i could think of is
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and the only thing i could think of is they really don't care
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they really don't care
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they really don't care and they don't you know and when i mean
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and they don't you know and when i mean
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and they don't you know and when i mean the big conference is america i mean the
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the big conference is america i mean the
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the big conference is america i mean the big paid conferences
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big paid conferences
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big paid conferences right where you pay you know up to three
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right where you pay you know up to three
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right where you pay you know up to three thousand dollars now they're asking to
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thousand dollars now they're asking to
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thousand dollars now they're asking to go to a conference in america now
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go to a conference in america now
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go to a conference in america now and um so you know i wrote about this
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and um so you know i wrote about this
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and um so you know i wrote about this five years ago
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five years ago
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five years ago and uh so i'm really happy with the
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and uh so i'm really happy with the
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and uh so i'm really happy with the numbers
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numbers
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numbers we got so and because yeah big
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we got so and because yeah big
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we got so and because yeah big conferences won't accept my sessions
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conferences won't accept my sessions
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conferences won't accept my sessions and uh maybe it's me it could be
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and uh maybe it's me it could be
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and uh maybe it's me it could be uh but yeah i'm not talking about
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uh but yeah i'm not talking about
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uh but yeah i'm not talking about something that's sexy and
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something that's sexy and
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something that's sexy and and new and fun i'm talking about you
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and new and fun i'm talking about you
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and new and fun i'm talking about you know
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know
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know quality and uh and uh
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quality and uh and uh
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quality and uh and uh why this is such a big passion with me
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why this is such a big passion with me
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why this is such a big passion with me is because i'm tired of dealing with
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is because i'm tired of dealing with
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is because i'm tired of dealing with crappy applications
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crappy applications
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crappy applications like you know i i have a problem with
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like you know i i have a problem with
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like you know i i have a problem with onedrive right now where
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onedrive right now where
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onedrive right now where it won't download files unless i reboot
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it won't download files unless i reboot
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it won't download files unless i reboot on my mac too same problem on mac so
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on my mac too same problem on mac so
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on my mac too same problem on mac so it's not my machine
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it's not my machine
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it's not my machine it's it's one drive right and
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it's it's one drive right and
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it's it's one drive right and and i know people hire me to fix their
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and i know people hire me to fix their
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and i know people hire me to fix their crappy code
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crappy code
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crappy code but i'd rather go into a company where
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but i'd rather go into a company where
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but i'd rather go into a company where the code is not so crappy
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the code is not so crappy
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the code is not so crappy so i can work on other fun things but um
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so you know conferences must offer
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so you know conferences must offer
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so you know conferences must offer sessions not only
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sessions not only
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sessions not only for what we want to learn but what we
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for what we want to learn but what we
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for what we want to learn but what we need to learn
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need to learn
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need to learn what we need to learn is important to me
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what we need to learn is important to me
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what we need to learn is important to me right because like i said
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right because like i said
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right because like i said these are the things you're going to
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these are the things you're going to
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these are the things you're going to keep with you your entire career
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so call to action for this new code
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so call to action for this new code
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so call to action for this new code rules is
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rules is
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rules is email conferences and demand sessions
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email conferences and demand sessions
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email conferences and demand sessions like this
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like this
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like this all of them have email addresses or
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all of them have email addresses or
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all of them have email addresses or tweet them or facebook them or whatever
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tweet them or facebook them or whatever
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tweet them or facebook them or whatever whatever you want to do but you guys
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whatever you want to do but you guys
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whatever you want to do but you guys need to start making noise
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need to start making noise
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need to start making noise if you want to have sessions like this
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if you want to have sessions like this
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if you want to have sessions like this at conferences
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at conferences
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at conferences you have to make noise because me making
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you have to make noise because me making
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you have to make noise because me making noise
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noise
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noise doesn't help you need to make noise
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doesn't help you need to make noise
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doesn't help you need to make noise because you're the ones going to pay
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because you're the ones going to pay
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because you're the ones going to pay three thousand dollars to go to a
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three thousand dollars to go to a
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three thousand dollars to go to a conference
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conference
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conference i i'm not gonna pay three thousand
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i i'm not gonna pay three thousand
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i i'm not gonna pay three thousand dollars to go to a conference in the us
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dollars to go to a conference in the us
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dollars to go to a conference in the us um so you need to email them
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um so you need to email them
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um so you need to email them and uh so i hope you do um
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and uh so i hope you do um
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and uh so i hope you do um and uh and because well i hope you do
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and uh and because well i hope you do
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and uh and because well i hope you do because this is important to you
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because this is important to you
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because this is important to you maybe right now maybe not right now but
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maybe right now maybe not right now but
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maybe right now maybe not right now but later your career will be
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later your career will be
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later your career will be so the only current solution i can come
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so the only current solution i can come
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so the only current solution i can come up with
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up with
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up with because you know trying to get these big
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because you know trying to get these big
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because you know trying to get these big paid conferences to do this is going to
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paid conferences to do this is going to
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paid conferences to do this is going to be really hard
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be really hard
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be really hard so my biggest you know um suggestion to
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so my biggest you know um suggestion to
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so my biggest you know um suggestion to anybody and i've been making this
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anybody and i've been making this
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anybody and i've been making this suggestion for many many years
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suggestion for many many years
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suggestion for many many years is go to a community run conference like
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is go to a community run conference like
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is go to a community run conference like a code camp
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a code camp
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a code camp or something like that you know
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or something like that you know
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or something like that you know conference run by developers just like
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conference run by developers just like
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conference run by developers just like you and me
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you and me
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you and me right the largest community conference i
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right the largest community conference i
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right the largest community conference i think
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think
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think in the world used to be the silicon
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in the world used to be the silicon
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in the world used to be the silicon valley code camp where you they used to
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valley code camp where you they used to
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valley code camp where you they used to get 2 000 people a day
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get 2 000 people a day
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get 2 000 people a day at this code camp right and and the last
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at this code camp right and and the last
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at this code camp right and and the last time i looked at the sessions
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time i looked at the sessions
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time i looked at the sessions when i was like writing that article
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when i was like writing that article
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when i was like writing that article back in 2016
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back in 2016
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back in 2016 um the silicon valley code camp that
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um the silicon valley code camp that
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um the silicon valley code camp that year had
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year had
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year had 20 of sessions that were like this
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20 of sessions that were like this
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20 of sessions that were like this for code quality architecture you know
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for code quality architecture you know
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for code quality architecture you know the important things that we need to
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the important things that we need to
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the important things that we need to learn besides the new fangled framework
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learn besides the new fangled framework
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learn besides the new fangled framework that came out
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that came out
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that came out so if you can't make it to a big paid
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so if you can't make it to a big paid
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so if you can't make it to a big paid conference or you don't want to go
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conference or you don't want to go
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conference or you don't want to go because they don't offer sessions like
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because they don't offer sessions like
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because they don't offer sessions like this
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this
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this go to your local community conferences i
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go to your local community conferences i
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go to your local community conferences i know some are being announced but i
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know some are being announced but i
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know some are being announced but i think a lot of those will already pick
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think a lot of those will already pick
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think a lot of those will already pick up next year
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up next year
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up next year or just go to your local user group i
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or just go to your local user group i
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or just go to your local user group i know they have sessions like this too
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know they have sessions like this too
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know they have sessions like this too because you know those conferences and
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because you know those conferences and
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because you know those conferences and those groups are run by people just like
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those groups are run by people just like
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those groups are run by people just like you
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you
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you you and me they're not run by a business
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you and me they're not run by a business
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you and me they're not run by a business so there's my new code rules for today
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all right well thanks everybody for uh
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all right well thanks everybody for uh
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all right well thanks everybody for uh you know
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you know
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you know hanging out for this uh great show we
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hanging out for this uh great show we
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hanging out for this uh great show we had today um next week uh
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had today um next week uh
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had today um next week uh we're gonna have uh actually one of the
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we're gonna have uh actually one of the
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we're gonna have uh actually one of the speakers from the code quality
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speakers from the code quality
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speakers from the code quality conference last week
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conference last week
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conference last week uh i pronounced this right tj's cobra
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uh i pronounced this right tj's cobra
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uh i pronounced this right tj's cobra um i'm sorry if i mispronounce your name
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um i'm sorry if i mispronounce your name
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um i'm sorry if i mispronounce your name um
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um
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um and so he's going to be on next week i
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and so he's going to be on next week i
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and so he's going to be on next week i know it's a holiday in
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know it's a holiday in
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know it's a holiday in the united states but i usually don't do
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the united states but i usually don't do
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the united states but i usually don't do anything for july 4th anyway so
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anything for july 4th anyway so
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anything for july 4th anyway so um please be safe again
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um please be safe again
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um please be safe again uh from covid we're not over it we're
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uh from covid we're not over it we're
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uh from covid we're not over it we're only 40
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only 40
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only 40 46 in america so please be safe
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46 in america so please be safe
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46 in america so please be safe safe please get your freaking vaccine
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safe please get your freaking vaccine
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safe please get your freaking vaccine and
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and
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and and please go donate blood to help
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and please go donate blood to help
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and please go donate blood to help because
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because
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because you know the blood bank is in dire
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you know the blood bank is in dire
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you know the blood bank is in dire shortage right now
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shortage right now
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shortage right now i talked to them last week on the phone
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i talked to them last week on the phone
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i talked to them last week on the phone and uh they're really into
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and uh they're really into
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and uh they're really into trouble and i'm sure they're in trouble
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trouble and i'm sure they're in trouble
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trouble and i'm sure they're in trouble throughout the country and the world
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throughout the country and the world
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throughout the country and the world so please go donate blood and it doesn't
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so please go donate blood and it doesn't
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so please go donate blood and it doesn't take much time
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take much time
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take much time it's free you might get a free t-shirt
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it's free you might get a free t-shirt
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it's free you might get a free t-shirt or something out of it
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or something out of it
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or something out of it and and but best of all it makes you
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and and but best of all it makes you
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and and but best of all it makes you feel good because you get to help
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feel good because you get to help
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feel good because you get to help somebody else
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somebody else
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somebody else all right so uh thanks again please
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all right so uh thanks again please
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all right so uh thanks again please email
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email
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email me your suggestions to rock in the code
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me your suggestions to rock in the code
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me your suggestions to rock in the code world at csharpcorner.com
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world at csharpcorner.com
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world at csharpcorner.com uh what guests you want to see what
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uh what guests you want to see what
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uh what guests you want to see what topics you want to see uh things like
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topics you want to see uh things like
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topics you want to see uh things like that if you have a suggestion for a new
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that if you have a suggestion for a new
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that if you have a suggestion for a new code rule
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code rule
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code rule uh rules i can do that uh please leave
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uh rules i can do that uh please leave
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uh rules i can do that uh please leave my email
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my email
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my email please email me and i'll see you next
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