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Conference Website: https://growthmindsetconference.com
SPEAKERS
Brandon Call - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandoncall
John Gholson - https://www.linkedin.com/in/johngholson
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hey guys
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hey guys
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hey guys um listen in our industry you either
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um listen in our industry you either
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um listen in our industry you either know
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know
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know someone or you have personally
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someone or you have personally
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someone or you have personally experienced agile gone wrong
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experienced agile gone wrong
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experienced agile gone wrong uh oh yeah i know you're out there and
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uh oh yeah i know you're out there and
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uh oh yeah i know you're out there and the reason is that many
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the reason is that many
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the reason is that many of our clients come to us serious labs
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of our clients come to us serious labs
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of our clients come to us serious labs begging for help after they have failed
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begging for help after they have failed
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begging for help after they have failed agile once or twice
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agile once or twice
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agile once or twice would it be bragging if i said that our
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would it be bragging if i said that our
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would it be bragging if i said that our biggest
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biggest
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biggest client is one of the world's largest
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client is one of the world's largest
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client is one of the world's largest transformation consulting companies
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transformation consulting companies
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transformation consulting companies and we are an extended team for them
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and we are an extended team for them
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and we are an extended team for them and our next two speakers are driving
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and our next two speakers are driving
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and our next two speakers are driving that effort oh i don't know if it would
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that effort oh i don't know if it would
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that effort oh i don't know if it would be bragging
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be bragging
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be bragging would it be bragging if i said sirius
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would it be bragging if i said sirius
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would it be bragging if i said sirius labs is a key partner for devops and
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labs is a key partner for devops and
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labs is a key partner for devops and secops
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secops
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secops and innovation for the u.s air force's
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and innovation for the u.s air force's
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and innovation for the u.s air force's innovation team
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innovation team
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innovation team oh i don't know if that would be
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oh i don't know if that would be
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oh i don't know if that would be bragging listen i'll make it easy for
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bragging listen i'll make it easy for
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bragging listen i'll make it easy for you to understand
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you to understand
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you to understand why you need to pay attention for the
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why you need to pay attention for the
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why you need to pay attention for the next 30 plus minutes
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next 30 plus minutes
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next 30 plus minutes if you want to win a super bowl who do
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if you want to win a super bowl who do
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if you want to win a super bowl who do you recruit
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you recruit
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you recruit tom brady and gronk of course so as part
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tom brady and gronk of course so as part
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tom brady and gronk of course so as part of the series labs roster of rock stars
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of the series labs roster of rock stars
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of the series labs roster of rock stars i'm proud to introduce the tom brady and
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i'm proud to introduce the tom brady and
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i'm proud to introduce the tom brady and gronk of agility
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gronk of agility
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gronk of agility johnny and brandon and i'm going to let
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johnny and brandon and i'm going to let
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johnny and brandon and i'm going to let them figure out who's who
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them figure out who's who
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them figure out who's who uh i'm tom brady and this is gronk
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uh i'm tom brady and this is gronk
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uh i'm tom brady and this is gronk uh i assume you guys can hear us okay uh
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uh i assume you guys can hear us okay uh
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uh i assume you guys can hear us okay uh so
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so
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so uh i'm johnny golson and uh you can see
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uh i'm johnny golson and uh you can see
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uh i'm johnny golson and uh you can see brandon
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brandon
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brandon up there at least on my screen he's
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up there at least on my screen he's
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up there at least on my screen he's ahead of above me
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ahead of above me
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ahead of above me he is taller and i just wanted to show
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he is taller and i just wanted to show
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he is taller and i just wanted to show that this is agile in your pajamas
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that this is agile in your pajamas
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that this is agile in your pajamas introduction android
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introduction android
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introduction android pajamas i'm wearing my pajamas okay
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pajamas i'm wearing my pajamas okay
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pajamas i'm wearing my pajamas okay these are my
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these are my
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these are my these are my actually dress pajamas that
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these are my actually dress pajamas that
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these are my actually dress pajamas that i wear
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i wear
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i wear when i do my calls daily and and brandon
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when i do my calls daily and and brandon
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when i do my calls daily and and brandon i see just got out of prison he's
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i see just got out of prison he's
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i see just got out of prison he's wearing his prison pajamas
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johnny only you would have dress pajamas
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johnny only you would have dress pajamas
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johnny only you would have dress pajamas yes i'm i'm wearing my
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yes i'm i'm wearing my
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yes i'm i'm wearing my uh these are my silky pajamas they're
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uh these are my silky pajamas they're
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uh these are my silky pajamas they're very comfortable
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very comfortable
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very comfortable i i even have my pajama bottoms with me
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i i even have my pajama bottoms with me
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i i even have my pajama bottoms with me today
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today
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today yeah so do not stand up brandon please
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yeah so do not stand up brandon please
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yeah so do not stand up brandon please uh if that's okay
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uh if that's okay
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uh if that's okay uh so listen this has been a great uh
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uh so listen this has been a great uh
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uh so listen this has been a great uh growth mindset virtual conference so far
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growth mindset virtual conference so far
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growth mindset virtual conference so far it's been fantastic i've loved listening
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it's been fantastic i've loved listening
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it's been fantastic i've loved listening to the
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to the
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to the uh to the speakers um and
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uh to the speakers um and
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uh to the speakers um and the digital shell that's i'm so happy to
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the digital shell that's i'm so happy to
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the digital shell that's i'm so happy to finally meet the digital share because
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finally meet the digital share because
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finally meet the digital share because he's so much better looking than the
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he's so much better looking than the
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he's so much better looking than the original
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original
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original shell i just want to just want to call
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shell i just want to just want to call
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shell i just want to just want to call that out
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that out
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that out and and just so you know for many many
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and and just so you know for many many
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and and just so you know for many many years you know i've worked with other
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years you know i've worked with other
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years you know i've worked with other shells before from
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shells before from
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shells before from his part of the world um and and none of
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his part of the world um and and none of
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his part of the world um and and none of them ever corrected me when i called him
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them ever corrected me when i called him
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them ever corrected me when i called him kjell um and so yeah and so finally uh
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kjell um and so yeah and so finally uh
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kjell um and so yeah and so finally uh when i met this show he he helped me out
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when i met this show he he helped me out
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when i met this show he he helped me out here
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here
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here uh so anyway uh so let me just introduce
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uh so anyway uh so let me just introduce
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uh so anyway uh so let me just introduce ourselves you know you guys saw our bios
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ourselves you know you guys saw our bios
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ourselves you know you guys saw our bios so i i'm the director of agility for
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so i i'm the director of agility for
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so i i'm the director of agility for cirrus labs
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cirrus labs
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cirrus labs and brandon and i have been working
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and brandon and i have been working
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and brandon and i have been working together for many many years been in the
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together for many many years been in the
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together for many many years been in the agile space for many many years as well
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agile space for many many years as well
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agile space for many many years as well and my job i can tell you is one of the
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and my job i can tell you is one of the
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and my job i can tell you is one of the funnest things that you will ever have
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funnest things that you will ever have
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funnest things that you will ever have to do
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to do
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to do i work with some fantastic people uh
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i work with some fantastic people uh
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i work with some fantastic people uh i get really excited and passionate
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i get really excited and passionate
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i get really excited and passionate about what we do
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about what we do
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about what we do and cirrus labs is right in the middle
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and cirrus labs is right in the middle
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and cirrus labs is right in the middle of it and so we're very excited to be
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of it and so we're very excited to be
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of it and so we're very excited to be here to present to you guys today so
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here to present to you guys today so
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here to present to you guys today so i'll shut up and let brandon
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i'll shut up and let brandon
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i'll shut up and let brandon talk we do talk a lot just so you know
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talk we do talk a lot just so you know
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talk we do talk a lot just so you know we're coaches go
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we're coaches go
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we're coaches go hey i'm brandon call i'm also very happy
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hey i'm brandon call i'm also very happy
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hey i'm brandon call i'm also very happy to be here
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to be here
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to be here happy to share with you guys some of the
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happy to share with you guys some of the
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happy to share with you guys some of the things that we've learned over the years
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things that we've learned over the years
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things that we've learned over the years and some of our experiences
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and some of our experiences
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and some of our experiences um we've been doing this for a long time
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um we've been doing this for a long time
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um we've been doing this for a long time so very excited to be here and and share
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so very excited to be here and and share
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so very excited to be here and and share it with you
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it with you
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it with you and uh
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that's that's all that's all i've got
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that's that's all that's all i've got
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that's that's all that's all i've got sorry all right all right no
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sorry all right all right no
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sorry all right all right no no worries uh well that's uh very very
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no worries uh well that's uh very very
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no worries uh well that's uh very very rare for brandon to not speak as much
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rare for brandon to not speak as much
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rare for brandon to not speak as much but anyway so let's go ahead and i'm
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but anyway so let's go ahead and i'm
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but anyway so let's go ahead and i'm going to share my presentation here
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going to share my presentation here
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going to share my presentation here let's see how this works
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let's see how this works
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let's see how this works uh let's just see i don't know if we're
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uh let's just see i don't know if we're
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uh let's just see i don't know if we're gonna
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gonna
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gonna be as wonderful as shell's presentation
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be as wonderful as shell's presentation
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be as wonderful as shell's presentation i don't have any videos to show
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i don't have any videos to show
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i don't have any videos to show um but let me know uh so i guess yeah
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um but let me know uh so i guess yeah
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um but let me know uh so i guess yeah wow
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wow
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wow how cool is that all right so let me
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how cool is that all right so let me
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how cool is that all right so let me just do the presentation thing here as
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just do the presentation thing here as
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just do the presentation thing here as soon as i can figure out how to work my
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soon as i can figure out how to work my
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soon as i can figure out how to work my screen um
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screen um
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screen um [Music]
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[Music]
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[Music] okay so hopefully yeah look at that all
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okay so hopefully yeah look at that all
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okay so hopefully yeah look at that all right
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right
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right so our subject is one that is very near
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so our subject is one that is very near
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so our subject is one that is very near and dear to all of our hearts i would
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and dear to all of our hearts i would
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and dear to all of our hearts i would imagine right now
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imagine right now
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imagine right now we're gonna this is not going to teach
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we're gonna this is not going to teach
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we're gonna this is not going to teach you agile
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you agile
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you agile this is not the presentation uh but what
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this is not the presentation uh but what
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this is not the presentation uh but what we are going to talk about is something
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we are going to talk about is something
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we are going to talk about is something that uh
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that uh
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that uh that is near and dear to our hearts
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that is near and dear to our hearts
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that is near and dear to our hearts right now in the middle of this pandemic
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right now in the middle of this pandemic
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right now in the middle of this pandemic pandemic we've had to change our
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pandemic we've had to change our
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pandemic we've had to change our behavior uh so first of all i know
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behavior uh so first of all i know
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behavior uh so first of all i know i guarantee you that eighty percent of
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i guarantee you that eighty percent of
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i guarantee you that eighty percent of you are
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you are
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you are actually in your pajamas right now now i
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actually in your pajamas right now now i
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actually in your pajamas right now now i saw the other
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saw the other
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saw the other um you know we saw the other presenters
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um you know we saw the other presenters
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um you know we saw the other presenters and they've got on
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and they've got on
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and they've got on you know jackets and nice shirts
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you know jackets and nice shirts
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you know jackets and nice shirts i guarantee you they're in shorts
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are there words or worse please don't
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are there words or worse please don't
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are there words or worse please don't say worse
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say worse
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say worse um and that's just the way that's just
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um and that's just the way that's just
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um and that's just the way that's just the way we we do this
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the way we we do this
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the way we we do this right so uh i wish we could do it just a
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right so uh i wish we could do it just a
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right so uh i wish we could do it just a quick survey i actually have uh some
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quick survey i actually have uh some
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quick survey i actually have uh some data that i'm going to show on the next
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data that i'm going to show on the next
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data that i'm going to show on the next slide
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slide
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slide um but i would love to ask uh you know
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um but i would love to ask uh you know
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um but i would love to ask uh you know who
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who
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who in this on this call this live stream
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in this on this call this live stream
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in this on this call this live stream and the present
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and the present
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and the present presenters are actually in their pajamas
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presenters are actually in their pajamas
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presenters are actually in their pajamas right now i guarantee it's a pretty big
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right now i guarantee it's a pretty big
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right now i guarantee it's a pretty big number actually shell
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number actually shell
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number actually shell was kind enough to share with us some of
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was kind enough to share with us some of
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was kind enough to share with us some of that detail
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that detail
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that detail uh and so this this guy uh one of
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uh and so this this guy uh one of
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uh and so this this guy uh one of shell's buddies
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shell's buddies
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shell's buddies uh did a survey where are you working
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uh did a survey where are you working
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uh did a survey where are you working today i'm 100
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today i'm 100
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today i'm 100 remote at 84 i'm hybrid office home 7
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remote at 84 i'm hybrid office home 7
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remote at 84 i'm hybrid office home 7 i'm back in the office 9 so that 84
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i'm back in the office 9 so that 84
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i'm back in the office 9 so that 84 however many that
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however many that
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however many that is i i would imagine uh it's a large
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is i i would imagine uh it's a large
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is i i would imagine uh it's a large number
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number
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number of people that are actually working from
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of people that are actually working from
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of people that are actually working from home and they've had to adjust
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home and they've had to adjust
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home and they've had to adjust to the change in the way we do things
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to the change in the way we do things
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to the change in the way we do things but i will tell you
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but i will tell you
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but i will tell you in the agile world it's it's a new
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in the agile world it's it's a new
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in the agile world it's it's a new normal for the
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normal for the
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normal for the rest of the world but not for agile
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rest of the world but not for agile
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rest of the world but not for agile teams we have been
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teams we have been
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teams we have been working remote and we have been uh
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working remote and we have been uh
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working remote and we have been uh uh working in environments where we're
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uh working in environments where we're
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uh working in environments where we're used to
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used to
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used to to being remote for many many years
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to being remote for many many years
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to being remote for many many years right and it's so for us
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right and it's so for us
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right and it's so for us you know we've got uh teams that are
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you know we've got uh teams that are
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you know we've got uh teams that are spread out all over the globe
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spread out all over the globe
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spread out all over the globe uh we've got teams that that are in
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uh we've got teams that that are in
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uh we've got teams that that are in india we've got teams in
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india we've got teams in
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india we've got teams in different parts of the world yes even we
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different parts of the world yes even we
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different parts of the world yes even we have teams from where shell's from
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have teams from where shell's from
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have teams from where shell's from uh germany uh
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uh germany uh
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uh germany uh and and no i'm just kidding he's going
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and and no i'm just kidding he's going
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and and no i'm just kidding he's going to hate me for that later
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to hate me for that later
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to hate me for that later uh but but seriously though we've been
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uh but but seriously though we've been
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uh but but seriously though we've been remote for a long time and the reason
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remote for a long time and the reason
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remote for a long time and the reason why we were able to do that
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why we were able to do that
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why we were able to do that so quickly when we when we had this
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so quickly when we when we had this
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so quickly when we when we had this pandemic
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pandemic
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pandemic uh is that we were already set up to
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uh is that we were already set up to
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uh is that we were already set up to succeed in that space and i know
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succeed in that space and i know
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succeed in that space and i know brandon's got some other
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brandon's got some other
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brandon's got some other some other examples of that so brandon i
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some other examples of that so brandon i
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some other examples of that so brandon i i don't want to do all the talking
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i don't want to do all the talking
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i don't want to do all the talking because you know i can
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because you know i can
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because you know i can uh but talk about some of the times that
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uh but talk about some of the times that
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uh but talk about some of the times that you uh have had to work remote
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you uh have had to work remote
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you uh have had to work remote at with the team and how that how did
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at with the team and how that how did
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at with the team and how that how did that work out for you
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that work out for you
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that work out for you you know a lot of times it's because uh
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you know a lot of times it's because uh
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you know a lot of times it's because uh there's geographical separation between
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there's geographical separation between
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there's geographical separation between team members uh
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team members uh
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team members uh people living in different time zones
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people living in different time zones
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people living in different time zones things like that but
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things like that but
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things like that but um i i've got to tell you one of the
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um i i've got to tell you one of the
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um i i've got to tell you one of the most uh
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most uh
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most uh most effective experiences that i had
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most effective experiences that i had
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most effective experiences that i had with with one of my teams was
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with with one of my teams was
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with with one of my teams was uh we were all pretty much in the same
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uh we were all pretty much in the same
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uh we were all pretty much in the same area except
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area except
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area except you know some people would be working
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you know some people would be working
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you know some people would be working from home on certain days or things like
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from home on certain days or things like
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from home on certain days or things like that
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that
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that and we got used to video conferencing
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and we got used to video conferencing
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and we got used to video conferencing and just having everybody's picture up
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and just having everybody's picture up
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and just having everybody's picture up on our screen
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on our screen
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on our screen uh so much that we would sometimes
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uh so much that we would sometimes
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uh so much that we would sometimes forget if someone
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forget if someone
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forget if someone was working from home or not because it
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was working from home or not because it
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was working from home or not because it was just so easy to contact them
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was just so easy to contact them
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was just so easy to contact them um and and reach out to them over video
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um and and reach out to them over video
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um and and reach out to them over video and we kind of had live video up on the
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and we kind of had live video up on the
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and we kind of had live video up on the screens all day long and
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screens all day long and
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screens all day long and and people could mute themselves and
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and people could mute themselves and
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and people could mute themselves and they could turn off their camera if they
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they could turn off their camera if they
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they could turn off their camera if they needed to
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needed to
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needed to you know do something embarrassing or
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you know do something embarrassing or
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you know do something embarrassing or whatever but um
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whatever but um
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whatever but um it's it's very effective to if you
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it's it's very effective to if you
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it's it's very effective to if you cannot be
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cannot be
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cannot be in person and sitting close to each
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in person and sitting close to each
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in person and sitting close to each other and kind of in the same group
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other and kind of in the same group
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other and kind of in the same group uh to to take advantage of the
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uh to to take advantage of the
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uh to to take advantage of the technology and and really share
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technology and and really share
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technology and and really share uh what you're doing with with others
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uh what you're doing with with others
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uh what you're doing with with others through
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through
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through through uh video conferencing so it's a
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through uh video conferencing so it's a
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through uh video conferencing so it's a fantastic tool it's
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fantastic tool it's
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fantastic tool it's it's not uh living on the moon but uh
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it's not uh living on the moon but uh
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it's not uh living on the moon but uh they do use it to communicate with the
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they do use it to communicate with the
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they do use it to communicate with the international space station so we're
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international space station so we're
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international space station so we're close
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close
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close yeah we're we are close uh and so and so
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yeah we're we are close uh and so and so
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yeah we're we are close uh and so and so in this presentation for the next uh 27
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in this presentation for the next uh 27
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in this presentation for the next uh 27 minutes now or less which by the way
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minutes now or less which by the way
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minutes now or less which by the way brandon you're supposed to be keeping
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brandon you're supposed to be keeping
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brandon you're supposed to be keeping time so hopefully you have a german-made
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time so hopefully you have a german-made
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time so hopefully you have a german-made clock sitting there in front of you
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clock sitting there in front of you
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clock sitting there in front of you like shells but we're going to give you
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like shells but we're going to give you
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like shells but we're going to give you guys some ideas on some things that you
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guys some ideas on some things that you
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guys some ideas on some things that you can do to make this work
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can do to make this work
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can do to make this work uh and we'll talk through that but one
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uh and we'll talk through that but one
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uh and we'll talk through that but one of the reasons why
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of the reasons why
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of the reasons why organizations would adopt agile and this
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organizations would adopt agile and this
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organizations would adopt agile and this uh screen this the screenshot here that
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uh screen this the screenshot here that
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uh screen this the screenshot here that you see
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you see
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you see uh so every year there's many different
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uh so every year there's many different
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uh so every year there's many different journeys
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journeys
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journeys flip your presentation into presentation
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flip your presentation into presentation
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flip your presentation into presentation mode i think
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mode i think
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mode i think um i thought i did that am i not in
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um i thought i did that am i not in
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um i thought i did that am i not in presentation mode
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presentation mode
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presentation mode no i think we're seeing the presenter
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no i think we're seeing the presenter
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no i think we're seeing the presenter mode oh
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mode oh
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mode oh well then that means it's on the wrong
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well then that means it's on the wrong
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well then that means it's on the wrong screen
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screen
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screen hell i don't know how to work this damn
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hell i don't know how to work this damn
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hell i don't know how to work this damn thing no this is
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thing no this is
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thing no this is here let's try it let's try something
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here let's try it let's try something
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here let's try it let's try something different uh how about we just leave it
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different uh how about we just leave it
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different uh how about we just leave it like that
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like that
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like that how about that i'm gonna do what shell
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how about that i'm gonna do what shell
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how about that i'm gonna do what shell does i'll do a chalice but anyway
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does i'll do a chalice but anyway
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does i'll do a chalice but anyway uh i don't care if you see what's coming
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uh i don't care if you see what's coming
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uh i don't care if you see what's coming next it should be no surprise
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next it should be no surprise
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next it should be no surprise but anyway
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when they do this state of the agile
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when they do this state of the agile
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when they do this state of the agile survey they ask a lot of ita
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survey they ask a lot of ita
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survey they ask a lot of ita folks typically cios and directors of
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folks typically cios and directors of
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folks typically cios and directors of i.t
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i.t
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i.t why did they adopt agile or what are
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why did they adopt agile or what are
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why did they adopt agile or what are what is the reason why they want to
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what is the reason why they want to
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what is the reason why they want to adopt a job
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adopt a job
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adopt a job and and these are the typically the you
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and and these are the typically the you
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and and these are the typically the you know the top uh
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know the top uh
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know the top uh 10 or 12 or 13 i never did count them
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10 or 12 or 13 i never did count them
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10 or 12 or 13 i never did count them uh reasons and if you'll notice one of
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uh reasons and if you'll notice one of
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uh reasons and if you'll notice one of those primary reasons
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those primary reasons
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those primary reasons is to better manage distributed teams
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is to better manage distributed teams
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is to better manage distributed teams and
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and
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and and what that means is uh that that an
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and what that means is uh that that an
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and what that means is uh that that an agile way of working
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agile way of working
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agile way of working a lean way of working is to set
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a lean way of working is to set
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a lean way of working is to set yourselves up for success
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yourselves up for success
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yourselves up for success no matter where your team is you know
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no matter where your team is you know
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no matter where your team is you know brandon and i
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brandon and i
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brandon and i in our coaching experience uh we
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in our coaching experience uh we
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in our coaching experience uh we a human interaction of course is the
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a human interaction of course is the
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a human interaction of course is the best possible way to to work together
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best possible way to to work together
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best possible way to to work together but it's not always possible and so
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but it's not always possible and so
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but it's not always possible and so agile teams have been poised
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agile teams have been poised
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agile teams have been poised for for working from home for quite a
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for for working from home for quite a
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for for working from home for quite a long time because of that
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long time because of that
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long time because of that and and it's the 12 steps so brandon is
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and and it's the 12 steps so brandon is
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and and it's the 12 steps so brandon is going to talk about these two important
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going to talk about these two important
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going to talk about these two important agile steps out of the 12
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agile steps out of the 12
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agile steps out of the 12 why this is important so ready to go all
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why this is important so ready to go all
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why this is important so ready to go all right yeah a couple of the agile
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right yeah a couple of the agile
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right yeah a couple of the agile principles uh are very very important
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principles uh are very very important
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principles uh are very very important and one of those is working with
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and one of those is working with
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and one of those is working with business
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business
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business and our customers every day now
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and our customers every day now
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and our customers every day now does it have to be every single day no
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does it have to be every single day no
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does it have to be every single day no not really but the more frequently we
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not really but the more frequently we
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not really but the more frequently we interact with other people
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interact with other people
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interact with other people especially the people for whom we're
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especially the people for whom we're
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especially the people for whom we're building things
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building things
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building things the better off we're going to be the
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the better off we're going to be the
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the better off we're going to be the more success we're going to have and the
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more success we're going to have and the
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more success we're going to have and the reason for that is because we get to
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reason for that is because we get to
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reason for that is because we get to close
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close
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close short feedback loops very quickly
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short feedback loops very quickly
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short feedback loops very quickly if we are working with people and
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if we are working with people and
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if we are working with people and showing them what is being accomplished
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showing them what is being accomplished
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showing them what is being accomplished as we go along
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as we go along
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as we go along um it's very very effective to say hey
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um it's very very effective to say hey
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um it's very very effective to say hey take a look at this
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take a look at this
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take a look at this tell us what you think and they say oh
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tell us what you think and they say oh
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tell us what you think and they say oh yeah that's right on perfect
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yeah that's right on perfect
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yeah that's right on perfect or they say no that's not quite what we
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or they say no that's not quite what we
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or they say no that's not quite what we were looking for or what about if we
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were looking for or what about if we
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were looking for or what about if we changed it in this way
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changed it in this way
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changed it in this way and a lot of times people don't know
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and a lot of times people don't know
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and a lot of times people don't know what they want until they've seen
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what they want until they've seen
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what they want until they've seen something
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something
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something once they see something they've usually
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once they see something they've usually
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once they see something they've usually got an opinion about
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got an opinion about
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got an opinion about whether it's right or wrong or whether
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whether it's right or wrong or whether
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whether it's right or wrong or whether it could be made better
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it could be made better
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it could be made better so we got to take advantage of
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so we got to take advantage of
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so we got to take advantage of of that fact as much as possible and get
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of that fact as much as possible and get
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of that fact as much as possible and get some great feedback
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some great feedback
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some great feedback so not only that but it helps us develop
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so not only that but it helps us develop
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so not only that but it helps us develop our relationship with those people so
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our relationship with those people so
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our relationship with those people so when we have business people and
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when we have business people and
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when we have business people and developers working together
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developers working together
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developers working together throughout the project or throughout the
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throughout the project or throughout the
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throughout the project or throughout the effort that we're going
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effort that we're going
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effort that we're going to um it's a fantastic way for us to get
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to um it's a fantastic way for us to get
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to um it's a fantastic way for us to get the good results
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the good results
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the good results out that we're looking for one of the
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out that we're looking for one of the
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out that we're looking for one of the other agile principles that's not on
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other agile principles that's not on
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other agile principles that's not on this slide
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this slide
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this slide is that we welcome change even late in
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is that we welcome change even late in
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is that we welcome change even late in the process so
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the process so
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the process so as we receive those changes we'll be
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as we receive those changes we'll be
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as we receive those changes we'll be able to adapt to them
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able to adapt to them
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able to adapt to them and be able to make the product better
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and be able to make the product better
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and be able to make the product better than it was ever going to be in the
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than it was ever going to be in the
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than it was ever going to be in the first place
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first place
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first place the second principle is building
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the second principle is building
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the second principle is building projects around motivated
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projects around motivated
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projects around motivated individuals and this is all about giving
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individuals and this is all about giving
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individuals and this is all about giving people
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people
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people empowering them and giving them the
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empowering them and giving them the
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empowering them and giving them the tools and technologies that they need to
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tools and technologies that they need to
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tools and technologies that they need to be able to get the job done
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be able to get the job done
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be able to get the job done and then trusting them to get the job
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and then trusting them to get the job
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and then trusting them to get the job done so as we do this as we give people
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done so as we do this as we give people
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done so as we do this as we give people this ability to
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this ability to
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this ability to collaborate and and really work together
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collaborate and and really work together
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collaborate and and really work together effectively
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effectively
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effectively through the use of these technologies
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through the use of these technologies
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through the use of these technologies that we've got um
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that we've got um
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that we've got um and then if we give them the autonomy to
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and then if we give them the autonomy to
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and then if we give them the autonomy to be able to do the right things
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be able to do the right things
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be able to do the right things because the people on the ground are
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because the people on the ground are
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because the people on the ground are typically the ones who have the most
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typically the ones who have the most
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typically the ones who have the most knowledge anyway and are the ones who
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knowledge anyway and are the ones who
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knowledge anyway and are the ones who can come
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can come
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can come come up with the best outcomes uh we
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come up with the best outcomes uh we
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come up with the best outcomes uh we really we really set them up for success
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really we really set them up for success
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really we really set them up for success and that's that's what this is really
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and that's that's what this is really
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and that's that's what this is really all about
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all about
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all about is trying to give them the best the best
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is trying to give them the best the best
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is trying to give them the best the best um possibility of success possible
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um possibility of success possible
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um possibility of success possible absolutely and the key factor in all of
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absolutely and the key factor in all of
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absolutely and the key factor in all of this
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this
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this uh and i heard one of the speakers say
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uh and i heard one of the speakers say
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uh and i heard one of the speakers say it i wish i could recall which one it
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it i wish i could recall which one it
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it i wish i could recall which one it was
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was
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was but we're not working with widgets right
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but we're not working with widgets right
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but we're not working with widgets right we're working with human beings we
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we're working with human beings we
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we're working with human beings we are all people and so teams whether
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are all people and so teams whether
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are all people and so teams whether they're agile
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they're agile
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they're agile or not agile teams will
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or not agile teams will
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or not agile teams will only work better if they get to know
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only work better if they get to know
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only work better if they get to know each other so
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each other so
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each other so as coaches we talk about this all the
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as coaches we talk about this all the
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as coaches we talk about this all the time as we're helping teams mature
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time as we're helping teams mature
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time as we're helping teams mature in in agility it's all about
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in in agility it's all about
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in in agility it's all about relationships
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relationships
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relationships so teams work better when they get to
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so teams work better when they get to
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so teams work better when they get to know each other they work better when
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know each other they work better when
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know each other they work better when they understand
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they understand
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they understand each other's strengths each other's
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each other's strengths each other's
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each other's strengths each other's opportunities for improvement
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opportunities for improvement
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opportunities for improvement and and and staying connected is very
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and and and staying connected is very
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and and and staying connected is very very important to maintaining those
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very important to maintaining those
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very important to maintaining those relationships
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relationships
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relationships in fact in some cases um it's more
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in fact in some cases um it's more
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in fact in some cases um it's more important for the teams to have a good
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important for the teams to have a good
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important for the teams to have a good relationship
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relationship
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relationship than it is to to code well for example
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than it is to to code well for example
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than it is to to code well for example of course we want people to to
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of course we want people to to
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of course we want people to to develop and be good coders and so on and
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develop and be good coders and so on and
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develop and be good coders and so on and so forth but i've i've been on teams
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so forth but i've i've been on teams
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so forth but i've i've been on teams where they didn't have good
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where they didn't have good
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where they didn't have good relationships
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relationships
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relationships and the quality of what they were doing
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and the quality of what they were doing
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and the quality of what they were doing went down
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went down
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went down the the uh the output and the value that
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the the uh the output and the value that
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the the uh the output and the value that they were bringing
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they were bringing
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they were bringing were were subjected to those bad
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were were subjected to those bad
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were were subjected to those bad relationships and so as agile coaches
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relationships and so as agile coaches
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relationships and so as agile coaches and as an agile team we always want to
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and as an agile team we always want to
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and as an agile team we always want to try to stay connected
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try to stay connected
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try to stay connected so how do we do that so so what are some
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so how do we do that so so what are some
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so how do we do that so so what are some of the ways that we've done this in fact
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of the ways that we've done this in fact
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of the ways that we've done this in fact this virtual conference is one of those
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this virtual conference is one of those
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this virtual conference is one of those ways uh you know virtual team building
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ways uh you know virtual team building
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ways uh you know virtual team building we do that uh in all kinds of different
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we do that uh in all kinds of different
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we do that uh in all kinds of different forms we have virtual happy hours
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forms we have virtual happy hours
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forms we have virtual happy hours uh and uh so so brandon and i uh
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uh and uh so so brandon and i uh
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uh and uh so so brandon and i uh always have our cameras on we i always
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always have our cameras on we i always
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always have our cameras on we i always have to be careful
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have to be careful
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have to be careful uh you know when i'm what i'm what i'm
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uh you know when i'm what i'm what i'm
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uh you know when i'm what i'm what i'm wearing uh there's so many great
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wearing uh there's so many great
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wearing uh there's so many great examples that i can give
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examples that i can give
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examples that i can give where things didn't turn out so well
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where things didn't turn out so well
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where things didn't turn out so well when you have your camera on
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when you have your camera on
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when you have your camera on so first of all when you have to look at
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so first of all when you have to look at
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so first of all when you have to look at shell on occasion if he doesn't have his
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shell on occasion if he doesn't have his
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shell on occasion if he doesn't have his viking helmet on
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viking helmet on
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viking helmet on it can be really scary yeah
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it can be really scary yeah
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it can be really scary yeah yeah so so so just recently just just
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yeah so so so just recently just just
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yeah so so so just recently just just recently i was working with the team
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recently i was working with the team
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recently i was working with the team and we were doing it was a two-hour
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and we were doing it was a two-hour
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and we were doing it was a two-hour uh sprint planning session and the scrum
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uh sprint planning session and the scrum
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uh sprint planning session and the scrum master
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master
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master uh i was just there as an observer the
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uh i was just there as an observer the
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uh i was just there as an observer the scrum master was was
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scrum master was was
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scrum master was was was talking and everybody had their
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was talking and everybody had their
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was talking and everybody had their cameras on uh
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cameras on uh
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cameras on uh and this one this one gentleman uh he
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and this one this one gentleman uh he
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and this one this one gentleman uh he muted himself
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muted himself
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muted himself and and he's got i see all the people on
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and and he's got i see all the people on
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and and he's got i see all the people on the screen
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the screen
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the screen and he gets up and he turns around and
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and he gets up and he turns around and
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and he gets up and he turns around and he's and he's walking back
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he's and he's walking back
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he's and he's walking back um you know going somewhere and he turns
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um you know going somewhere and he turns
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um you know going somewhere and he turns where he's going into the bathroom we
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where he's going into the bathroom we
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where he's going into the bathroom we found out but he didn't realize his
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found out but he didn't realize his
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found out but he didn't realize his camera was on or he forgot that his
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camera was on or he forgot that his
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camera was on or he forgot that his camera was on
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camera was on
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camera was on and so you know when you're going to the
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and so you know when you're going to the
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and so you know when you're going to the restaurant i don't know about the rest
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restaurant i don't know about the rest
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restaurant i don't know about the rest of you but you know you get ready you
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of you but you know you get ready you
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of you but you know you get ready you start to
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start to
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start to you're just ready to go you start to
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you're just ready to go you start to
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you're just ready to go you start to drop your pants well he started to drop
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drop your pants well he started to drop
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drop your pants well he started to drop his pants a little bit too early and it
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his pants a little bit too early and it
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his pants a little bit too early and it was a butt crack
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was a butt crack
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was a butt crack that that you can't unsee uh so
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that that you can't unsee uh so
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that that you can't unsee uh so so part of the part of the virtual team
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so part of the part of the virtual team
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so part of the part of the virtual team building virtual happy hours
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building virtual happy hours
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building virtual happy hours face-to-face video conferencing
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face-to-face video conferencing
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face-to-face video conferencing staying connected is to uh you know make
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staying connected is to uh you know make
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staying connected is to uh you know make sure you know how to use your camera
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sure you know how to use your camera
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sure you know how to use your camera and make sure you know how to turn it
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and make sure you know how to turn it
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and make sure you know how to turn it off uh that's just a cautionary tale
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off uh that's just a cautionary tale
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off uh that's just a cautionary tale uh so anyway so staying connected so
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uh so anyway so staying connected so
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uh so anyway so staying connected so there's so many different ways to do
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there's so many different ways to do
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there's so many different ways to do this
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this
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this uh brandon i'll let you go ahead and
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uh brandon i'll let you go ahead and
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uh brandon i'll let you go ahead and share some of the ways that you've done
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share some of the ways that you've done
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share some of the ways that you've done some of the ideas
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some of the ideas
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some of the ideas that you've used to stay connected with
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that you've used to stay connected with
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that you've used to stay connected with your teams
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your teams
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your teams yeah well um the the virtual happy hours
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yeah well um the the virtual happy hours
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yeah well um the the virtual happy hours are always really a lot of fun i don't
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are always really a lot of fun i don't
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are always really a lot of fun i don't know if if
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know if if
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know if if anybody in our audience has has taken
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anybody in our audience has has taken
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anybody in our audience has has taken advantage of this idea
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advantage of this idea
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advantage of this idea but um a lot of times we we lost the
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but um a lot of times we we lost the
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but um a lot of times we we lost the opportunity to get together
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opportunity to get together
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opportunity to get together uh in person over the last year because
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uh in person over the last year because
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uh in person over the last year because of uh
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of uh
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of uh kovit and everything but having a
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kovit and everything but having a
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kovit and everything but having a virtual happy hour is a fantastic way to
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virtual happy hour is a fantastic way to
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virtual happy hour is a fantastic way to lighten the mood get to know each other
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lighten the mood get to know each other
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lighten the mood get to know each other a little bit better as
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a little bit better as
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a little bit better as as johnny talked about in the previous
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as johnny talked about in the previous
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as johnny talked about in the previous slide having a relationship of trust
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slide having a relationship of trust
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slide having a relationship of trust with members of your team is
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with members of your team is
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with members of your team is absolutely crucial it's very very
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absolutely crucial it's very very
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absolutely crucial it's very very important
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important
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important only when you have that kind of
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only when you have that kind of
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only when you have that kind of relationship can you say
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relationship can you say
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relationship can you say hey i'm stuck i need help only when you
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hey i'm stuck i need help only when you
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hey i'm stuck i need help only when you have that relationship can you say
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have that relationship can you say
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have that relationship can you say uh i messed up and um
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uh i messed up and um
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uh i messed up and um i didn't get done what i wanted to get
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i didn't get done what i wanted to get
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i didn't get done what i wanted to get done yesterday because i
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done yesterday because i
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done yesterday because i followed the wrong path for a while and
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followed the wrong path for a while and
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followed the wrong path for a while and it and it took me too long and
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it and it took me too long and
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it and it took me too long and and now i i've got to make up for it so
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and now i i've got to make up for it so
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and now i i've got to make up for it so um
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um
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um we we really need to have that
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we we really need to have that
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we we really need to have that relationship but having a virtual happy
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relationship but having a virtual happy
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relationship but having a virtual happy hour
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hour
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hour um having the ability to get together on
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um having the ability to get together on
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um having the ability to get together on camera where
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camera where
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camera where everything isn't so serious and it's not
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everything isn't so serious and it's not
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everything isn't so serious and it's not a meeting
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a meeting
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a meeting is a fantastic way to go obviously
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is a fantastic way to go obviously
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is a fantastic way to go obviously everyone provides their own drink and
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everyone provides their own drink and
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everyone provides their own drink and and and that type of thing but uh it's a
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and and that type of thing but uh it's a
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and and that type of thing but uh it's a it's a fantastic way to go
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it's a fantastic way to go
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it's a fantastic way to go and and one of the other uh fun
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and and one of the other uh fun
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and and one of the other uh fun activities that i've seen people do
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activities that i've seen people do
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activities that i've seen people do over camera is uh just get together and
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over camera is uh just get together and
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over camera is uh just get together and and have uh just a weird theme it might
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and have uh just a weird theme it might
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and have uh just a weird theme it might be weird hats
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be weird hats
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be weird hats and everybody puts on a weird hat or or
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and everybody puts on a weird hat or or
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and everybody puts on a weird hat or or a crazy hat
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a crazy hat
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a crazy hat and comes together i've i've heard about
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and comes together i've i've heard about
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and comes together i've i've heard about people i haven't seen this one myself
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people i haven't seen this one myself
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people i haven't seen this one myself but i've heard about people doing a
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but i've heard about people doing a
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but i've heard about people doing a wednesday
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wednesday
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wednesday don't get ready day and you can show up
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don't get ready day and you can show up
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don't get ready day and you can show up you know
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you know
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you know straight out of bed with your hair messy
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straight out of bed with your hair messy
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straight out of bed with your hair messy and people will have half their face
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and people will have half their face
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and people will have half their face covered in shaving cream and
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covered in shaving cream and
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covered in shaving cream and things like that there's a lot of great
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things like that there's a lot of great
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things like that there's a lot of great ways to to
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ways to to
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ways to to build some rapport with our team members
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build some rapport with our team members
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build some rapport with our team members and share with them
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and share with them
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and share with them and be able to have an excellent
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and be able to have an excellent
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and be able to have an excellent experience that helps people to
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experience that helps people to
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experience that helps people to come together as a team and really
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come together as a team and really
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come together as a team and really establish that relationship of trust
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establish that relationship of trust
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establish that relationship of trust yeah so so there's there's so many
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yeah so so there's there's so many
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yeah so so there's there's so many different ways as bran
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different ways as bran
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different ways as bran as brandon mentioned so i think the key
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as brandon mentioned so i think the key
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as brandon mentioned so i think the key here
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here
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here is to do something do something fun do
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is to do something do something fun do
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is to do something do something fun do something
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something
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something get get the team out of their space uh
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get get the team out of their space uh
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get get the team out of their space uh and try to have fun i've given you
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and try to have fun i've given you
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and try to have fun i've given you just a couple of examples here that i
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just a couple of examples here that i
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just a couple of examples here that i love to do this is
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love to do this is
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love to do this is i'm not trying to sell we connect cards
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i'm not trying to sell we connect cards
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i'm not trying to sell we connect cards uh but if you go to that site you can
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uh but if you go to that site you can
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uh but if you go to that site you can definitely order some i love these
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definitely order some i love these
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definitely order some i love these cards um it's basically uh different
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cards um it's basically uh different
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cards um it's basically uh different type
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type
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type questions that you can ask each other
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questions that you can ask each other
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questions that you can ask each other all right and so one of them is you know
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all right and so one of them is you know
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all right and so one of them is you know what would your closest friend say
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what would your closest friend say
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what would your closest friend say is your best character trait and then
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is your best character trait and then
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is your best character trait and then and then the discussion that you have
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and then the discussion that you have
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and then the discussion that you have after that
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after that
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after that or the person can choose to do an
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or the person can choose to do an
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or the person can choose to do an exercise right they can stand up and
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exercise right they can stand up and
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exercise right they can stand up and and twirl their hands in the air and
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and twirl their hands in the air and
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and twirl their hands in the air and this is just one great example of things
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this is just one great example of things
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this is just one great example of things to do
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to do
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to do one team that i worked with we wrote
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one team that i worked with we wrote
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one team that i worked with we wrote haikus
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haikus
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haikus preparing for the virtual happy hour uh
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preparing for the virtual happy hour uh
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preparing for the virtual happy hour uh and what i did when i took those
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and what i did when i took those
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and what i did when i took those those haikus that they that they
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those haikus that they that they
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those haikus that they that they presented and we put them together in a
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presented and we put them together in a
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presented and we put them together in a book
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book
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book uh and and that was over a year ago and
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uh and and that was over a year ago and
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uh and and that was over a year ago and i still have people
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i still have people
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i still have people uh remembering that as a very poignant
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uh remembering that as a very poignant
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uh remembering that as a very poignant time that they had
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time that they had
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time that they had because some of these haikus were really
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because some of these haikus were really
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because some of these haikus were really good i just gave an example of one there
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good i just gave an example of one there
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good i just gave an example of one there that i wrote
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that i wrote
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that i wrote uh you know i'm not definitely i'm
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uh you know i'm not definitely i'm
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uh you know i'm not definitely i'm definitely not a professional
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definitely not a professional
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definitely not a professional haiku writer uh but that's just one i
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haiku writer uh but that's just one i
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haiku writer uh but that's just one i did but the point is
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did but the point is
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did but the point is is that get them out of their space find
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is that get them out of their space find
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is that get them out of their space find something fun that they can connect with
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something fun that they can connect with
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something fun that they can connect with and they will do it your team will jump
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and they will do it your team will jump
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and they will do it your team will jump in and it's
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in and it's
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in and it's a it's about having fun and i forgot to
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a it's about having fun and i forgot to
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a it's about having fun and i forgot to mention this early in the process
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mention this early in the process
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mention this early in the process if you probably if you haven't noticed
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if you probably if you haven't noticed
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if you probably if you haven't noticed uh brandon and i love to have fun
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uh brandon and i love to have fun
19:53
uh brandon and i love to have fun what i've learned over years and years
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what i've learned over years and years
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what i've learned over years and years of coaching teams
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of coaching teams
19:56
of coaching teams uh yes you can be the best developers
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uh yes you can be the best developers
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uh yes you can be the best developers and you can be the best
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and you can be the best
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and you can be the best business analysts the best ai guys girls
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business analysts the best ai guys girls
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business analysts the best ai guys girls whatever
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whatever
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whatever but if you're not having fun then you're
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but if you're not having fun then you're
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but if you're not having fun then you're probably
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probably
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probably doing the wrong thing and i have no
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doing the wrong thing and i have no
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doing the wrong thing and i have no problem coaching and mentoring people
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problem coaching and mentoring people
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problem coaching and mentoring people and telling them that very thing
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and telling them that very thing
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and telling them that very thing you know johnny why why do you why are
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you know johnny why why do you why are
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you know johnny why why do you why are you so passionate about coaching
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you so passionate about coaching
20:16
you so passionate about coaching because i'm having fun this is a blast
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because i'm having fun this is a blast
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because i'm having fun this is a blast you know i love doing this uh and so
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you know i love doing this uh and so
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you know i love doing this uh and so part of the virtual happy hour part of
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part of the virtual happy hour part of
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part of the virtual happy hour part of keeping connected is to make sure you
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keeping connected is to make sure you
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keeping connected is to make sure you have fun
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have fun
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have fun and you can probably tell shell like to
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and you can probably tell shell like to
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and you can probably tell shell like to have fun too uh
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have fun too uh
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have fun too uh and nobody picks on him because he
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and nobody picks on him because he
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and nobody picks on him because he doesn't have any hair
20:30
doesn't have any hair
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doesn't have any hair uh you know it's perfectly okay i know
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uh you know it's perfectly okay i know
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uh you know it's perfectly okay i know that's a hard thing to sell but you know
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that's a hard thing to sell but you know
20:34
that's a hard thing to sell but you know i'm working on it too i'm trying to
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i'm working on it too i'm trying to
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i'm working on it too i'm trying to to you know michelle is my mentor about
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to you know michelle is my mentor about
20:39
to you know michelle is my mentor about losing the airport
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losing the airport
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losing the airport so anyway uh so so so i know that we're
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so anyway uh so so so i know that we're
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so anyway uh so so so i know that we're just
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just
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just we're running out of time we're getting
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we're running out of time we're getting
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we're running out of time we're getting close to the end uh so we'd love to open
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close to the end uh so we'd love to open
20:48
close to the end uh so we'd love to open it up for questions
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it up for questions
20:49
it up for questions however it is we can do that um
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however it is we can do that um
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however it is we can do that um if somebody can i think before we do
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if somebody can i think before we do
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if somebody can i think before we do that i think
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that i think
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that i think we should have a haiku off i i think you
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we should have a haiku off i i think you
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we should have a haiku off i i think you should read your haiku and then i'll
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should read your haiku and then i'll
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should read your haiku and then i'll read your haiku
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read your haiku
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read your haiku and we could figure out who does better
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and we could figure out who does better
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and we could figure out who does better job presenting your haiku
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job presenting your haiku
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job presenting your haiku all right so so one of the things i
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all right so so one of the things i
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all right so so one of the things i learned i grew up overseas i grew up in
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learned i grew up overseas i grew up in
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learned i grew up overseas i grew up in japan
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japan
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japan and i was a uh my major in college
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and i was a uh my major in college
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and i was a uh my major in college while i was in japan was was
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while i was in japan was was
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while i was in japan was was international business but i minored in
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international business but i minored in
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international business but i minored in japanese art history
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japanese art history
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japanese art history and so one of the things i learned is
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and so one of the things i learned is
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and so one of the things i learned is that haiku is not just about poetry
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that haiku is not just about poetry
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that haiku is not just about poetry it's about rhythm it's about sound and
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it's about rhythm it's about sound and
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it's about rhythm it's about sound and it's about
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it's about
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it's about art and so typically the syllables
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art and so typically the syllables
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art and so typically the syllables would be five in the first line seven in
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would be five in the first line seven in
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would be five in the first line seven in the second line
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the second line
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the second line and then five in the last line and
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and then five in the last line and
21:35
and then five in the last line and that's not always true because it's
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that's not always true because it's
21:37
that's not always true because it's meant to be in in japanese
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meant to be in in japanese
21:39
meant to be in in japanese in language and it would be more of
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in language and it would be more of
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in language and it would be more of the sounds that it makes right so i'll
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the sounds that it makes right so i'll
21:44
the sounds that it makes right so i'll read this one that i wrote
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read this one that i wrote
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read this one that i wrote but i will try to use uh the haiku
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but i will try to use uh the haiku
21:49
but i will try to use uh the haiku version right
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version right
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version right still water larva mosquitoes in the
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still water larva mosquitoes in the
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still water larva mosquitoes in the making
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making
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making my skin itches now beat that one
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my skin itches now beat that one
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my skin itches now beat that one go brandon you you read it again all
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go brandon you you read it again all
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go brandon you you read it again all right
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right
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right give me a second here
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now you're kicking still water
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now you're kicking still water
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now you're kicking still water larva mosquitoes in the making
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my skin itches now
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that was fantastic that was absolutely
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that was fantastic that was absolutely
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that was fantastic that was absolutely fantastic
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fantastic
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fantastic and in fact i'm sure we have some agents
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and in fact i'm sure we have some agents
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and in fact i'm sure we have some agents here
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here
22:30
here or some recruiters here looking for
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or some recruiters here looking for
22:33
or some recruiters here looking for looking for poetry readers
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looking for poetry readers
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looking for poetry readers uh and you definitely uh
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uh and you definitely uh
22:38
uh and you definitely uh you could do that that that was very
22:39
you could do that that that was very
22:39
you could do that that that was very very good very inspiring in fact brought
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very good very inspiring in fact brought
22:41
very good very inspiring in fact brought a tear to my eye it was
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a tear to my eye it was
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a tear to my eye it was so wonderful thank you so much
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so wonderful thank you so much
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so wonderful thank you so much uh so anyway uh so i guess uh we can
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uh so anyway uh so i guess uh we can
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uh so anyway uh so i guess uh we can take questions
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take questions
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take questions uh so so before we get into the question
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uh so so before we get into the question
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uh so so before we get into the question i just want to say uh thank you guys for
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i just want to say uh thank you guys for
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i just want to say uh thank you guys for listening this has been great to be here
22:57
listening this has been great to be here
22:57
listening this has been great to be here um brandon and i uh we do
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um brandon and i uh we do
23:00
um brandon and i uh we do a a weekly podcast called agile chat
23:04
a a weekly podcast called agile chat
23:04
a a weekly podcast called agile chat so if you would love to to hear some of
23:05
so if you would love to to hear some of
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so if you would love to to hear some of those things and
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those things and
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those things and just a little bit more of the way we
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just a little bit more of the way we
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just a little bit more of the way we banter of course we get serious when we
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banter of course we get serious when we
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banter of course we get serious when we do talk about agile
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23:12
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those types of things we're there for you as well so anyway so
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we're there for you as well so anyway so
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we're there for you as well so anyway so i guess uh
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i guess uh
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i guess uh so simon hey we're open for questions
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so simon hey we're open for questions
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so simon hey we're open for questions does anybody care to ask
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does anybody care to ask
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does anybody care to ask you want to learn how to write a haiku
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you want to learn how to write a haiku
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you want to learn how to write a haiku you can ask me that i'll i'll be happy
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you can ask me that i'll i'll be happy
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you can ask me that i'll i'll be happy to help you
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to help you
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to help you hey hey guys um yeah listen my haiku is
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hey hey guys um yeah listen my haiku is
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hey hey guys um yeah listen my haiku is knives guns and whiskey go
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this is nice we're supposed to come up
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this is nice we're supposed to come up
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this is nice we're supposed to come up with something
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now you hey shell i wanted you to notice
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now you hey shell i wanted you to notice
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now you hey shell i wanted you to notice i wore a black shirt today because i did
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i wore a black shirt today because i did
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i wore a black shirt today because i did get the memo about the black shirt day
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get the memo about the black shirt day
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get the memo about the black shirt day you did you did good listen um i'll i'll
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you did you did good listen um i'll i'll
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you did you did good listen um i'll i'll i'll kick it off because why do you guys
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i'll kick it off because why do you guys
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i'll kick it off because why do you guys think
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think
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think agile fails so often
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because well there's a lot of reasons uh
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because well there's a lot of reasons uh
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because well there's a lot of reasons uh but i think the
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but i think the
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but i think the biggest reason my opinion is is people
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biggest reason my opinion is is people
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biggest reason my opinion is is people are not really connected the
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are not really connected the
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are not really connected the relationships aren't there
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relationships aren't there
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relationships aren't there uh so so for example i've done agile
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uh so so for example i've done agile
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uh so so for example i've done agile transformations with leaders
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transformations with leaders
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transformations with leaders uh who were more focused on the command
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uh who were more focused on the command
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uh who were more focused on the command and control type of environment
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and control type of environment
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and control type of environment uh they didn't really understand and
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uh they didn't really understand and
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uh they didn't really understand and care that much about relationships
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care that much about relationships
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care that much about relationships uh and then i've been with uh and agile
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uh and then i've been with uh and agile
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uh and then i've been with uh and agile if we were doing a transformation it
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if we were doing a transformation it
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if we were doing a transformation it either took a lot longer
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either took a lot longer
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either took a lot longer or it just failed and then on the other
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or it just failed and then on the other
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or it just failed and then on the other side i've been with organizations where
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side i've been with organizations where
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side i've been with organizations where the leaders were resident
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the leaders were resident
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the leaders were resident leaders transformational leaders they
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leaders transformational leaders they
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leaders transformational leaders they cared about their people they cared
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cared about their people they cared
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cared about their people they cared about relationships
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about relationships
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about relationships and the end of transformation was
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and the end of transformation was
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and the end of transformation was doomed to succeed because of that
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doomed to succeed because of that
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doomed to succeed because of that behavior
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behavior
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behavior so to me it's relationships it's about
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so to me it's relationships it's about
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so to me it's relationships it's about being connected
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being connected
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being connected because you can be the smartest people
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because you can be the smartest people
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because you can be the smartest people on the planet and there's some very
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on the planet and there's some very
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on the planet and there's some very smart people that are on this conference
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smart people that are on this conference
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smart people that are on this conference today for example
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today for example
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today for example okay but i could tell when you hear them
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okay but i could tell when you hear them
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okay but i could tell when you hear them speak
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speak
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speak that they care about each other they
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that they care about each other they
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that they care about each other they care about relationships they care about
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care about relationships they care about
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care about relationships they care about being successful
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being successful
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being successful that that would be my answer yeah that's
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that that would be my answer yeah that's
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that that would be my answer yeah that's that's certainly true i i uh
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that's certainly true i i uh
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that's certainly true i i uh i agree with that 100 percent i i think
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i agree with that 100 percent i i think
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i agree with that 100 percent i i think one of the other reasons
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one of the other reasons
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one of the other reasons um besides that besides people just not
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um besides that besides people just not
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um besides that besides people just not wanting to let go of the control
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wanting to let go of the control
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wanting to let go of the control is is mindset and really
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is is mindset and really
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is is mindset and really needing to have a mindset which agile is
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needing to have a mindset which agile is
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needing to have a mindset which agile is really a mindset and a philosophy much
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really a mindset and a philosophy much
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really a mindset and a philosophy much more than it is
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more than it is
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more than it is anything else we have to be looking for
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anything else we have to be looking for
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anything else we have to be looking for continual evolutionary change we have to
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continual evolutionary change we have to
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continual evolutionary change we have to be looking at getting better every day
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be looking at getting better every day
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be looking at getting better every day if we're not we're gonna we're gonna run
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if we're not we're gonna we're gonna run
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if we're not we're gonna we're gonna run into problems and and sometimes the
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into problems and and sometimes the
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into problems and and sometimes the shift to that mindset
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shift to that mindset
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shift to that mindset is is too difficult for people to wrap
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is is too difficult for people to wrap
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is is too difficult for people to wrap their heads around
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their heads around
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their heads around or they're just not willing to do it do
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or they're just not willing to do it do
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or they're just not willing to do it do it completely and
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it completely and
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it completely and and uh you know allow for that level
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and uh you know allow for that level
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and uh you know allow for that level of change to to occur uh
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of change to to occur uh
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of change to to occur uh so that's that's probably a big one for
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so that's that's probably a big one for
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so that's that's probably a big one for me there's a lot of other reasons i've
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me there's a lot of other reasons i've
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me there's a lot of other reasons i've seen
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seen
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seen transformations fail because they were
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transformations fail because they were
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transformations fail because they were funded the wrong way
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funded the wrong way
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funded the wrong way i've seen transformations fail because
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i've seen transformations fail because
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i've seen transformations fail because uh leadership
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uh leadership
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uh leadership didn't exemplify what what we were
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didn't exemplify what what we were
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didn't exemplify what what we were trying to do or because there wasn't
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trying to do or because there wasn't
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trying to do or because there wasn't full support or buy-in from leadership
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full support or buy-in from leadership
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full support or buy-in from leadership so there's there's a lot of different
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so there's there's a lot of different
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so there's there's a lot of different reasons but um but
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reasons but um but
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reasons but um but it is very common like you said shelf
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it is very common like you said shelf
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it is very common like you said shelf for for them to
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for for them to
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for for them to fail or to get to get bogged down in
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fail or to get to get bogged down in
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fail or to get to get bogged down in something else
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something else
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something else uh johnny and i have recently been on a
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uh johnny and i have recently been on a
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uh johnny and i have recently been on a program where
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program where
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program where um the the leadership of of the
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um the the leadership of of the
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um the the leadership of of the the group who was running the agile
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the group who was running the agile
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the group who was running the agile transformation kind of got in the way so
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transformation kind of got in the way so
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transformation kind of got in the way so there's
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there's
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there's there's lots of different reasons why
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there's lots of different reasons why
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there's lots of different reasons why those kinds of things can happen
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those kinds of things can happen
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those kinds of things can happen yeah do you guys feel like you still
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yeah do you guys feel like you still
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yeah do you guys feel like you still have to
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have to
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have to sell agile to senior management these
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sell agile to senior management these
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sell agile to senior management these days or is it
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days or is it
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days or is it a given that everyone gets it and it's
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a given that everyone gets it and it's
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a given that everyone gets it and it's just a matter of
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just a matter of
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just a matter of can you start on monday helping us
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can you start on monday helping us
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can you start on monday helping us everyone wants it
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everyone wants it
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everyone wants it everyone wants it to work but it's not a
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everyone wants it to work but it's not a
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everyone wants it to work but it's not a magic bullet
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magic bullet
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magic bullet you have to earn your way into it and
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you have to earn your way into it and
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you have to earn your way into it and so what i think we end up doing is
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so what i think we end up doing is
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so what i think we end up doing is trying to convince people to do it the
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trying to convince people to do it the
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trying to convince people to do it the right way
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right way
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right way and do it with the right attitude and
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and do it with the right attitude and
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and do it with the right attitude and the right mindset
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the right mindset
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the right mindset is is the trickier part
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okay um great
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okay um great
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okay um great so i see a question coming in um
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so i see a question coming in um
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so i see a question coming in um how do you start right now to help your
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how do you start right now to help your
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how do you start right now to help your team
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team
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team um one of the things that i would say
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um one of the things that i would say
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um one of the things that i would say and like johnny said
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and like johnny said
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and like johnny said um there's there's a lot of people uh
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um there's there's a lot of people uh
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um there's there's a lot of people uh and in our situation today where we're
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and in our situation today where we're
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and in our situation today where we're remote there's a lot of things going on
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remote there's a lot of things going on
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remote there's a lot of things going on that are impeding us from being
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that are impeding us from being
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that are impeding us from being from being present with each other but i
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from being present with each other but i
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from being present with each other but i think like johnny said just turn on your
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think like johnny said just turn on your
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think like johnny said just turn on your camera i
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camera i
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camera i i'm on a lot of video conferences each
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i'm on a lot of video conferences each
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i'm on a lot of video conferences each day where i'm the only person with my
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day where i'm the only person with my
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day where i'm the only person with my camera on
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camera on
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camera on and i think um that it helps other
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and i think um that it helps other
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and i think um that it helps other people this morning i was on one and
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people this morning i was on one and
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people this morning i was on one and after i turned my camera on three other
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after i turned my camera on three other
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after i turned my camera on three other people turned their camera on
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people turned their camera on
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people turned their camera on so i think it's about being an example a
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so i think it's about being an example a
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so i think it's about being an example a lot of times and helping people to
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lot of times and helping people to
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lot of times and helping people to um to just kind of
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um to just kind of
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um to just kind of show off what should be happening and
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show off what should be happening and
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show off what should be happening and then and then
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then and then
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then and then exemplify that and let other people join
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exemplify that and let other people join
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exemplify that and let other people join in after what would you say johnny
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in after what would you say johnny
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in after what would you say johnny well just this morning a similar
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well just this morning a similar
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well just this morning a similar situation i turned my camera on
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situation i turned my camera on
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situation i turned my camera on i showed off my pajamas and several
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i showed off my pajamas and several
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i showed off my pajamas and several other people turned their camera on they
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other people turned their camera on they
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other people turned their camera on they wanted to show off their pajamas
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wanted to show off their pajamas
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wanted to show off their pajamas so so why why is the camera so important
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so so why why is the camera so important
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so so why why is the camera so important right so if we're sitting across the
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right so if we're sitting across the
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right so if we're sitting across the room
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room
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room from each other obviously we can we can
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from each other obviously we can we can
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from each other obviously we can we can see each other unless we're blind
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see each other unless we're blind
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see each other unless we're blind uh but um uh but how do you know
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uh but um uh but how do you know
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uh but um uh but how do you know that people are engaged if the camera's
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that people are engaged if the camera's
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that people are engaged if the camera's not on okay how do you know
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not on okay how do you know
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not on okay how do you know they're not just you know you know
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they're not just you know you know
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they're not just you know you know they're just not even there they're not
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they're just not even there they're not
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they're just not even there they're not present
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present
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present right yeah so so but when people's
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right yeah so so but when people's
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right yeah so so but when people's cameras are on
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cameras are on
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cameras are on it's amazing they're actually sitting up
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it's amazing they're actually sitting up
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it's amazing they're actually sitting up they're looking at the camera
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they're looking at the camera
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they're looking at the camera they're they're paying attention to what
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they're they're paying attention to what
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they're they're paying attention to what you're saying uh
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you're saying uh
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you're saying uh so uh it's it's very important to just
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so uh it's it's very important to just
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so uh it's it's very important to just it just helps and it enhances the
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it just helps and it enhances the
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it just helps and it enhances the connectedness that we're trying to get
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connectedness that we're trying to get
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connectedness that we're trying to get one of our goals for a mature agile
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one of our goals for a mature agile
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one of our goals for a mature agile team in a high performing team is to
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team in a high performing team is to
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team in a high performing team is to stay connected
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stay connected
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stay connected so i mean the camera on works well nice
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so i mean the camera on works well nice
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so i mean the camera on works well nice yeah i
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yeah i
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yeah i i totally agree so uh last though uh
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i totally agree so uh last though uh
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i totally agree so uh last though uh what's the best client experience you
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what's the best client experience you
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what's the best client experience you had when implementing agile
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had when implementing agile
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had when implementing agile but you know call it a wow moment you
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but you know call it a wow moment you
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but you know call it a wow moment you know like where you go
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know like where you go
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know like where you go man these guys are listening and you
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man these guys are listening and you
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man these guys are listening and you know i can't believe they're
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know i can't believe they're
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know i can't believe they're moving that fast or whatever it is you
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moving that fast or whatever it is you
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moving that fast or whatever it is you don't have to mention the client name
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don't have to mention the client name
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don't have to mention the client name yeah so so i'll i'll take i'll take that
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yeah so so i'll i'll take i'll take that
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yeah so so i'll i'll take i'll take that one brandon and it's the the one that
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one brandon and it's the the one that
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one brandon and it's the the one that he and i uh actually met um
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he and i uh actually met um
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he and i uh actually met um during this engagement uh i won't
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during this engagement uh i won't
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during this engagement uh i won't mention their names but let's just say
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mention their names but let's just say
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mention their names but let's just say they are a
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they are a
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they are a network hardware provider and they're
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network hardware provider and they're
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network hardware provider and they're very very large
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very very large
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very very large is that a beer you drink in there
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is that a beer you drink in there
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is that a beer you drink in there digital viking i'm just curious
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digital viking i'm just curious
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digital viking i'm just curious anyway no so uh so so this organization
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anyway no so uh so so this organization
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anyway no so uh so so this organization was a commanding control organization
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was a commanding control organization
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was a commanding control organization out of the gate
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out of the gate
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out of the gate and uh and they had leadership
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and uh and they had leadership
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and uh and they had leadership that uh that said the words they said
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that uh that said the words they said
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that uh that said the words they said yes we need to be agile it's the buzz
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yes we need to be agile it's the buzz
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yes we need to be agile it's the buzz you know it's what's happening we need
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you know it's what's happening we need
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you know it's what's happening we need to do it but they didn't really
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to do it but they didn't really
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to do it but they didn't really understand what it was all about
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understand what it was all about
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understand what it was all about once we got in there and worked at the
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once we got in there and worked at the
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once we got in there and worked at the team level
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team level
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team level the aha moment came when a product owner
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the aha moment came when a product owner
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the aha moment came when a product owner who had been a command and control guy
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who had been a command and control guy
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who had been a command and control guy from the get-go realized that
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from the get-go realized that
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from the get-go realized that every iteration they were delivering
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every iteration they were delivering
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every iteration they were delivering more value than they had
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more value than they had
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more value than they had ever done before and it was an organized
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ever done before and it was an organized
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ever done before and it was an organized way
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way
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way uh the the team was was engaged
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uh the the team was was engaged
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uh the the team was was engaged uh they were innovative all these new
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uh they were innovative all these new
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uh they were innovative all these new ideas were coming to the table
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ideas were coming to the table
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ideas were coming to the table uh and and that was the aha moment that
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uh and and that was the aha moment that
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uh and and that was the aha moment that they had
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they had
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they had and so so then the the leader of the
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and so so then the the leader of the
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and so so then the the leader of the organization
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organization
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organization uh was brought in late in the process
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uh was brought in late in the process
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uh was brought in late in the process but they looked and they saw this and
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but they looked and they saw this and
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but they looked and they saw this and they said wow
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they said wow
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they said wow um so so they brought everybody in the
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um so so they brought everybody in the
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um so so they brought everybody in the room
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and he fired the entire company he said
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and he fired the entire company he said
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and he fired the entire company he said you're fired
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you're fired
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you're fired and everybody was like what you know and
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and everybody was like what you know and
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and everybody was like what you know and i heard one of the speakers talk about
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i heard one of the speakers talk about
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i heard one of the speakers talk about attrition
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attrition
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attrition you know it happens when you do a
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you know it happens when you do a
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you know it happens when you do a digital transformation
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digital transformation
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digital transformation and this was no no no this happened
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and this was no no no this happened
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and this was no no no this happened there as well
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there as well
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there as well and so so at the end of the conversation
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and so so at the end of the conversation
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and so so at the end of the conversation he hired everybody back but he said look
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he hired everybody back but he said look
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he hired everybody back but he said look he said uh we are no longer going to do
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he said uh we are no longer going to do
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he said uh we are no longer going to do things the way we were doing it
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things the way we were doing it
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things the way we were doing it we're going to be agile we're going to
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we're going to be agile we're going to
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we're going to be agile we're going to be lean and so monday when you show up
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be lean and so monday when you show up
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be lean and so monday when you show up for work it's a new company
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for work it's a new company
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for work it's a new company and that's exactly what happened and
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and that's exactly what happened and
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and that's exactly what happened and about 30 percent of the company left
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about 30 percent of the company left
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about 30 percent of the company left and here's why they left uh he said
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and here's why they left uh he said
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and here's why they left uh he said you're either you're going to play a
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you're either you're going to play a
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you're either you're going to play a role you're either a product owner
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role you're either a product owner
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role you're either a product owner a scrum master or a team member
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a scrum master or a team member
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a scrum master or a team member and these people who had been senior
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and these people who had been senior
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and these people who had been senior vice presidents and senior directors and
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vice presidents and senior directors and
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vice presidents and senior directors and all that
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all that
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all that some of them quit because they didn't
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some of them quit because they didn't
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some of them quit because they didn't want to lose that title
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want to lose that title
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want to lose that title they didn't lose their pay the pay
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they didn't lose their pay the pay
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they didn't lose their pay the pay didn't change it's just that their title
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didn't change it's just that their title
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didn't change it's just that their title changed
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changed
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changed but what was left what was left was a
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but what was left what was left was a
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but what was left what was left was a group of people that wanted to bring
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group of people that wanted to bring
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group of people that wanted to bring value
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value
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value and so and that was the that was the aha
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and so and that was the that was the aha
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and so and that was the that was the aha moment for us and brandon was there
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moment for us and brandon was there
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moment for us and brandon was there as well during that exciting time too so
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as well during that exciting time too so
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as well during that exciting time too so anyway right then what yeah i think yeah
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anyway right then what yeah i think yeah
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anyway right then what yeah i think yeah thank you i think we're
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thank you i think we're
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thank you i think we're questions are pouring in so we'll take
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questions are pouring in so we'll take
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questions are pouring in so we'll take we'll take one more
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in the series let's you guys can read it
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in the series let's you guys can read it
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in the series let's you guys can read it right could you explain the difference
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right could you explain the difference
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right could you explain the difference between
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between
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between extreme programming and scrum
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extreme programming and scrum
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extreme programming and scrum yeah extreme programming is much more
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yeah extreme programming is much more
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yeah extreme programming is much more extreme than scrum that's the only
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extreme than scrum that's the only
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extreme than scrum that's the only different no i'm just kidding
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different no i'm just kidding
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different no i'm just kidding it's a good question melvin um and
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it's a good question melvin um and
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it's a good question melvin um and the difference is um is that scrum and
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the difference is um is that scrum and
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the difference is um is that scrum and extreme programming and kanban
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extreme programming and kanban
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extreme programming and kanban and lean and and many other things are
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and lean and and many other things are
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and lean and and many other things are all part of
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all part of
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all part of um different approaches within the agile
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um different approaches within the agile
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um different approaches within the agile umbrella
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umbrella
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umbrella extreme programming has some specific
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extreme programming has some specific
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extreme programming has some specific practices
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practices
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practices that it uses like paired programming and
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that it uses like paired programming and
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that it uses like paired programming and refactoring and things like that
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refactoring and things like that
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refactoring and things like that that are very common to just extreme
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that are very common to just extreme
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that are very common to just extreme programming
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programming
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programming and scrum has its own set of practices
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and scrum has its own set of practices
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and scrum has its own set of practices like uh limiting work through a two-week
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like uh limiting work through a two-week
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like uh limiting work through a two-week cycle called a sprint
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cycle called a sprint
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cycle called a sprint and having three roles called out
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and having three roles called out
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and having three roles called out and so there's there's slightly
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and so there's there's slightly
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and so there's there's slightly different approaches to accomplishing
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different approaches to accomplishing
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different approaches to accomplishing the same thing
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the same thing
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the same thing what agile is all about is delivering
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what agile is all about is delivering
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what agile is all about is delivering value to the customer
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value to the customer
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value to the customer early and often and um there's different
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early and often and um there's different
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early and often and um there's different ways to do that
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ways to do that
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ways to do that and and so the different approaches are
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and and so the different approaches are
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and and so the different approaches are like extreme programming and scrum and
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like extreme programming and scrum and
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like extreme programming and scrum and kanban and scrum bond and all those
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kanban and scrum bond and all those
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kanban and scrum bond and all those are different ways to accomplish the
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are different ways to accomplish the
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are different ways to accomplish the same thing and sometimes the work
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same thing and sometimes the work
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same thing and sometimes the work determines which approach works best and
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determines which approach works best and
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determines which approach works best and sometimes where the people are in their
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sometimes where the people are in their
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sometimes where the people are in their journey
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journey
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journey determines what what makes what process
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determines what what makes what process
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determines what what makes what process works best
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works best
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works best but that's that's they're they're
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but that's that's they're they're
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but that's that's they're they're basically just uh
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basically just uh
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basically just uh two different approaches to getting the
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two different approaches to getting the
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two different approaches to getting the work done so
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work done so
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work done so okay question well uh since since it's
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okay question well uh since since it's
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okay question well uh since since it's their opening here here's another one
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their opening here here's another one
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their opening here here's another one so let's let's take another minute you
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so let's let's take another minute you
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so let's let's take another minute you guys can see it
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guys can see it
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guys can see it um john it's for you yeah it's easy to
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um john it's for you yeah it's easy to
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um john it's for you yeah it's easy to initiate change and start a new project
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initiate change and start a new project
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initiate change and start a new project what's the secret is and is there one to
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what's the secret is and is there one to
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what's the secret is and is there one to lasting change um i would say first of
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lasting change um i would say first of
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lasting change um i would say first of all
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all
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all uh there's no secret uh really in fact
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uh there's no secret uh really in fact
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uh there's no secret uh really in fact once you start uh
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once you start uh
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once you start uh learning the agile principles and
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learning the agile principles and
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learning the agile principles and practices you'll see that they're very
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practices you'll see that they're very
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practices you'll see that they're very very common sensical
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very common sensical
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very common sensical uh they they actually start to make
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uh they they actually start to make
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uh they they actually start to make sense to a team
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sense to a team
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sense to a team about doing things in the most efficient
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about doing things in the most efficient
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about doing things in the most efficient and most lean way
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and most lean way
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and most lean way so so what is the secret sauce well the
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so so what is the secret sauce well the
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so so what is the secret sauce well the secret sauce
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secret sauce
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secret sauce i've said it several times it's a
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i've said it several times it's a
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i've said it several times it's a relationships it's about
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relationships it's about
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relationships it's about getting this team to know each other
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getting this team to know each other
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getting this team to know each other getting this team to
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getting this team to
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getting this team to uh and and the the leaders of the
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uh and and the the leaders of the
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uh and and the the leaders of the organization just get out of their way
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organization just get out of their way
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organization just get out of their way give them the tools they want to succeed
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give them the tools they want to succeed
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give them the tools they want to succeed and get out of their way let the team
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and get out of their way let the team
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and get out of their way let the team organize themselves around the work
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organize themselves around the work
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organize themselves around the work whether they use scrum or xp or kanban
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whether they use scrum or xp or kanban
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whether they use scrum or xp or kanban or whatever the method is
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or whatever the method is
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or whatever the method is whatever works for them and and as long
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whatever works for them and and as long
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whatever works for them and and as long as they can do that autonomously
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as they can do that autonomously
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as they can do that autonomously and be innovative and organize
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and be innovative and organize
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and be innovative and organize themselves around the work
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themselves around the work
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themselves around the work that to me would be the the secret sauce
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that to me would be the the secret sauce
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that to me would be the the secret sauce would just
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would just
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would just let them organize around it that's
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let them organize around it that's
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let them organize around it that's awesome all right guys we we got to wrap
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awesome all right guys we we got to wrap
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awesome all right guys we we got to wrap it up uh but
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it up uh but
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it up uh but uh thank you to tom and gronk for a
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uh thank you to tom and gronk for a
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uh thank you to tom and gronk for a great session
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great session
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great session here's my pass jimmy fallon better look
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here's my pass jimmy fallon better look
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here's my pass jimmy fallon better look out these guys are thinking about
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out these guys are thinking about
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out these guys are thinking about starting a late night show and
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starting a late night show and
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starting a late night show and or produce a movie i can see it now 50
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or produce a movie i can see it now 50
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or produce a movie i can see it now 50 shades of agile
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shades of agile
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shades of agile oh lord wow yeah listen guys
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oh lord wow yeah listen guys
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oh lord wow yeah listen guys johnny and brandon thank you so much um
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johnny and brandon thank you so much um
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johnny and brandon thank you so much um and we're gonna play a short video
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and we're gonna play a short video
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and we're gonna play a short video and then we're gonna have the next
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and then we're gonna have the next
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and then we're gonna have the next speaker so the video is all about you
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guys thank you
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guys thank you thanks kgl appreciate it man
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