Don Lemon Suffers The Ultimate Humiliation Of His Career At The Hands Of Karine Jean-Pierre

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Carmine Sabia, and this is Explain America

Folks, poor Don Lemon can't catch a break. You know, the guy has had numerous gaps, numerous public humiliations in the past few months

and now I think he suffered what is probably the ultimate humiliation

that anybody could suffer if you are an independent journalist, if you are a left-wing journalist, a right-wing journalist, or any kind of journalist

apparently, according to reports, White House press secretary, Corrine Jean-Pierre, who appeared on CNN this week

and spoke to Poppy Harlow during the show that is also co-hosted by Don Lemon

The reason for that, she refused to speak to Don Lemon. She refused to be interviewed by Don Lemon

That is according to the reports. Now, the White House, of course

and a spokesperson say that Corrine had nothing to do with the decision and that the anchor is chosen by the network and not by the White House

And then CNN, of course, went on to say that they picked their anchor independently and without the White House

but the reports coming into the Daily Mail in the New York Post from two sources are that Jean-Pierre refused to be interviewed by Lemon

So, now, why did John Pierre refuse to be interviewed by Lemon

Well, again, he's had a lot of on-air gaps. he had that controversy about women and their age

But, and I think this is important, what happened this week when he was actually taken to school

by a conservative presidential candidate, that might have had a lot to do with it

because he was utterly destroyed by this guy and it was all over the place

His name is Vivek Ramoswamy, and let's take a look at that clip again

If you didn't see our previous video on it, let's take a look at that clip again. This might offer some insight as to why

Jean-Pierre did not want to be interviewed by Lemon. Funding us now a frequent guest on Fox News

Republican presidential candidate and tech entrepreneur, Vivek Ramashwami. So we are happy to have you

I'm going to talk to you more than just about Fox News, but good morning to you. Morning. Good morning. What you're making this decision to settle this case

I mean, it strikes me as a cost of doing business. If you're going to be a news network, I think it's happened to see it

and I think it's happened to a lot of news networks. That has not happened to do it. It's not happened to see them

Never been seen for defamation, never been, never been actually settled. It's the largest in history

And Fox appears to have the largest viewership and the market capitalization. So I'm not familiar with the details of this case

I'm actually more interested in issues relating to this country than disputes with media companies

but I will say that it strikes me that from CNN to Fox News

You're not familiar with the case. You're not familiar with the lies about the 2020 election, about the election being stolen

that Dominion was somehow fixing the votes. I mean, that's why they've $787.5 million

You're not familiar with that, and you're running for president? The details of a private dispute between a commercial dispute and the details of what the dollar figures are

That's not why I spend my time. But what I will say is, look, there's defamation cases, people settle businesses

If you settled business disputes, Fox settled this one. It's actually not, I think, the pressing issue for the nation of what Fox News's settlement is

I disagree with that. Because as you just admit it, you said Fox is the largest viewership, one of the largest viewerships among television networks and especially cable networks

considering the eyes that the American people who are tuning into Fox News to get

their information and to get it accurately I'm surprised that you would say that

you're not concerned about this and this is not a something that is hugely pressing for the American people here the way I look at it of the press is the first amendment in the Constitution oh exactly You nailed it The freedom of the press So we have CNN We have Fox I here with you guys I go on Fox News

I think that that's great that we have a marketplace of ideas in this country. What I worry more about, Don, is the trend that we see in this country to controlling what

different parties are actually able to say. The American way to bad speech is more speech

And so I think we need to actually embrace that culture and a more diverse marketplace of ideas

That's something we haven't done well enough in this country. Honesty, you're not answering the question

You're giving us platitudes about... I'm not sure what your question is, Don. Do you want somebody bash Fox News on CNN

No, I'm not asking you to bash Fox News. I'm asking you to be honest about what happened on Fox News

about the lies that were told and them having to admit the lies

and paying the largest defamation settlement to a media company and history

and you are a frequent guest on that network. Are you concerned about the credibility

Or you can continue to go on that network, even with those credibility? I have far more concerned

with the credibility of what we will call the mainstream media, then I do with the credibility of Fox News

Fox is the mainstream media. At the end of the day, what I say is, look, neither you nor I know the details

because they settled it before it went to trial. I think the obsession over this is a little weird

Vivek, listen, us. It's a little bizarre. There's real issues to talk about the country

Why are we talking about Fox News and the settlement? This is a very big and important story

We have much more that we want to talk about. I think we should about, but we will get there when we're ready to get there

We have you on to talk about these issues. a very important issue and it should not be downplayed. This has to do with American democracy

and Americans learning the truth about what happened in the 2020 election. You don't think that's important

I hear a lot of... And the comparison to CNN is not, this, apples and oranges. It's not the same thing

Well, it's, you know, different networks. Yes, apples aren't the same as oranges. You get one view through CNN. You get a different new through Fox News. I think it's good in our marketplace of ideas is

that we have media that offers diverse perspectives. And you want to talk about threats to our democracy

one of the threats, and that phrase is an interesting one, threats to our democracy

I think one of the biggest ones is the chilling effect on speech in our country more broadly

where if somebody says something that a broad segment of the population or certain people in the government disagree with

there's an increasing trend in our country to silence that. And the answer to bad speech and alleged misinformation is not less speech

It is more speech in the marketplace of ideas. That's actually what a free press really means

We're going to move on. But your answer was good, but it's not about what's actually happened

It's not relevant to what's happening. I think the answer to what happened at Fox News is to tell the truth

Media companies are tasked with telling the truth. That did not happen in the situation

That's why we're asking these questions. But let's move on. Let's talk more about a diverse exchange of ideas

That's what I'm in for. Thank you. Glad you're here this morning. Your campaign slogan is a new American dream

and I was reading through your platform last night. I wonder what you would do specifically

to actually bring us together, not just Republicans and Democrats. What does unity look like to you, Vivek, for rich and poor, for rural and urban

for Republicans and Democrats? That is the right question to be asking

And I think the main divide in this country, and I say this to conservative audiences equally

is not between Republicans and Democrats. It is between those of us who are pro-American

embracing the ideals that set this country into motion. And I think an increasing strain in this country that is anti-American

that wishes to apologize for a nation founded on those ideals. But that's not a 50-50 split

I think most people are in the pro-American camp. And, Poppy, I think one of the ways they would say we get to national unity

some people think is by showing up in the middle and compromising I respect that view but I reject it You reject compromise I reject compromising on our principles I think the right way to get to national unity and I mean this to unite this country is by embracing actually the radicalism of the American ideals themselves We celebrate

our diversity and differences. I'm glad we have three different shades of melanin on this set right

now, two different genders. That's fine, but what I say is so what? That diversity is meaningless

unless there's something greater that binds us together, that unites us across that diversity

And I'm running for president to revive those ideals that bind us together across our diverse attributes

I want to get into a few issues, one of them being China. Before I get to China, I just want to better understand something you said this week speaking before the audience at the NRA

Here's what you said referring to back to 1865. Here it was

I want you to raise your hand if you know when the first anti-gun laws were passed in this country

Raise your hand if you do. 1865. You want to know when it happened

We fought a civil war in this country to give black Americans the equal protection under the law that we failed to secure them in 1776

But then you want to know what happened? Southern states passed anti-gun laws that stopped

black people from owning guns. The Democrat Party, then as and now, wanted to put them back in

chains. Then as and now, that's quite an accusation about the current Democratic Party

Who and what were you referring to? I was referring to Joe Biden and his expression of wanting

to put them back in chains dating back to Lyndon Johnson. I think Lyndon Johnson's so-called

great society was one of the greatest misnomer's in American political history, where even back

then in the 1960s, 70% plus of black kids were born into two-parent homes. Today, that number

is less than 30% in the opposite direction. The very policies that we implemented in this country

in the name of helping black Americans have actually been disastrous for black Americans and

all Americans. And I think that that's something that we need to wake up to. In 1865, you were talking

about the black codes, right? That's right. Past enacted to make the crime for a black person to carry

a gun in the South. But you're equating that to the current president. You're referring to economic

chains? What are you saying? Well, I was referring to Joe Biden's, I think, ill-chosen expression to say

they're the party that wants to put you back into chains. What I'm actually saying is that if you look

at the policies of the modern Democratic Party. You just said that about Democrats. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is that actually it's policies like that of Lyndon Johnson and Joe Biden

that are actually holding black Americans back. Lyndon Johnson is the war on poverty? Yes. And in particular

his great society where he actually created incentives in the family, where if you're a family

you could actually get more money by not having the father in the home. Guess what you get

You get what you pay for. I think it's been really bad for the black community. I think it's really bad for all Americans

Do you have anything on this before I move on to shine? I don't see what one has to do with the other, but go on

I took up a lot of time with Foxx. Oh, it's fine. We have time. I don't really see what one has to do with the other, especially consider

and using the civil war to talk about black Americans. That war was not fought for black people to have guns

That's not. That war was fought for black people to have freedoms in this country

Yeah. actually. That's why the Civil War was fought. Okay. But that wasn't fought for black people

to have guns. I think... Actually, you don't know a funny fact is black people did not

get to enjoy the other freedoms until their Second Amendment rights were secured

And I think that that's one of the lessons that we learned. But black people still aren't allowed to enjoy the freedoms

I disagree with you on that Don I disagree with you I think you doing a disservice to our country by failing to recognize the fact that we have the quality before black skin When you live in this country then you can disagree with me But we not You mentioned that we have three different chains of melan in here

Don, I think we have to be able to talk about these issues in the open, regardless of the color of our skin. Black Americans today to say that, compare that to 1865 and 1964

I think you to compare it to 1865 and 1964 is actually. I think it's insulting to black people

It's insulting to me as an African American. I don't want to sit there and argue with you because it's infuriating for you to put that, to put those

things together. It's not right. Your telling of history is wrong. What part of the history was

wrong? What part of the history was wrong? You're making people think that the civil war was fought for

black people, only for black people to get guns and for black people to have... The civil war was fought for

black people in this country to get freedoms, a noble mission. And I think that even after we succeeded

we had to actually secure those freedoms. To reduce it in a speech at the NRA to say you're making

people think, you're trying to say that black people to get guns, that was the reason that

you're there at the NRA. That was the reason for the Civil War. I think that's reductive. It's not

insulting. There are a whole plethora of reasons that for the Civil War. With due respect

I find your explanation reductive and actually insulting, including to black Americans, to say that

black people today, compared to 1964, 1865, haven't made progress in part because of the freedoms we

secured. And the Second Amendment was part of the security. cannot keep a thought if you guys are talking in my ear

So hang on one second. So to say that black people, say what you said again

Black people secured their freedoms after the Civil War. It is a historical fact, Don

Just study it. Only after their Second Amendment rights were secured. That's a fact

They were not secured their freedoms after the Civil War. That is not you are discounting reconstruction

You're discounting a whole host of things that happen after the Civil War when it comes

to African Americans, including the whole reason that the Civil Rights Movement happened

is because black people did not secure their freedom. after the Civil War, and that things turned around

People tried to change the freedoms that were supposed to have. And you know how they got it

They got their Second Amendment rights, and they actually got, the NRA played a big role in that. But today, down the final..

The NRA did not play a big role in that. That is alive. That's a lie

That's not. The NRA did not play a big role in that. This is just historical fact. It's not historical fact

The part that I find... Just because you say it's historical fact. The part that I find insulting is when you say today black Americans don't have those rights

after we have gone through civil rights in this country. You are sitting here telling an African American about the rights and what you find

insulting about the way I live, the skin I live in every day

Here's where you and I have a different point of view. And I know the freedom that black people don't have in this country and that black people do have

Well, here's where you and I have a different point of view. I think we should be able to express our views regardless of the color of our skin

We should have this debate without me regarding you as a black man. But you're regarding you as a fellow citizen

That's what I think we should see. Whatever whatever ethnicity you are explaining to me

Whatever ethnicity I'm about what it's like to be black. Whatever ethnicity, I'll tell you what I am

I'm an Indian American. I'm proud of it. But I think we should have this debate. black, white doesn't matter on the content of the ideas

If you're going to do it, you should do it in an honest way and in a fair way. And what you're doing is not an honest and fair way

But we appreciate you coming on. With due respect, Don, I look forward to continuing that conversation

We'll continue the conversation. Thank you so much. We'll talk about China. Yes, test about China

Next time you come back. Oh, thank you. Much to say on declaring independence from China. Okay

You can move on now, please. Thank you. After seeing that, it is kind of hard to blame her for not wanting to be interviewed by this guy

if that is, in fact, what happened. Folks, again, I'm Carmine Sabia

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