CNN Fires Back At Don Lemon After His Meltdown - Real Reason He Was Fired

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Carmine Sabia 4, Explain America, and folks, Don Lemon is furious, but CNN is hitting them right back

And we have new reasons why Don Lemon may have been fired

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joins our Patriots program, and it really helps support our work. So Don Lemon is furious, as I said, and he went into a Twitter rant after he was fired

and he said the following. I was informed this morning by my agent, and I have been terminated by CNN

I am stunned. After 17 years at CNN, I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency

to tell me directly. At no time was I ever given any

indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work that I have loved at the network

It is clear that there are some larger issues at play, he said, before thanking his colleagues

But CNN Public Relations Department fired right back and said, Don Lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate

He was offered an opportunity to meet with management, but instead released a statement on Twitter

That's pretty brutal for Don Lemon and for, well, anybody who is this van

But there's also some news out of the New York Times that says Don Lemon was fired for his contentious battle on air with a conservative who's in the Republican primary

Now let's take a look again at that battle between these two men. Joining us now are frequent guests on Fox News, Republican presidential candidate and tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramashwami

So we are happy to have you. I'm going to talk to you more than just about Fox News

But good morning to you. Morning. Good morning. Good morning. What you make of this decision to settle this case

I mean, it strikes me as a cost of doing business. If you're going to be a news network, I think it's happened to CNN

and I think it's happened to a lot of news networks. That has not happened to do it. It's not happening to see it

Never been sued for defamation, never been, never been actually settled. It's definitely large

And Fox appears to have the largest viewership and the market capitalization. So I'm not familiar with the details of this case

I'm actually more interested in issues relating to this country than disputes with media companies

but I will say that it strikes me that from CNN. You're not familiar with the case

You're not familiar with the lies about the 2020 election, about the election being stolen, that Dominion was somehow, you know, fixing the votes

I mean, that's why they, $787.5 million. You're not familiar with that, and you're running for president

The details of a private dispute between a commercial dispute and the details of what the dollar figures are

It's not why I spend. That's really not where I spend my time. But what I will say is, look, there's defamation cases

People settle businesses. If you settled business disputes, Fox settled this one

It's actually not, I think, the pressing issue for the nation of what Fox News's settlement is

I disagree with that. Because as you just admit it, you said Fox is the largest viewership, one of the largest viewerships among television networks and especially cable networks

Considering the eyes that the American people who are tuning in to Fox News to get their information and to get it accurately

I'm surprised that you would say that you're not concerned about this, and this is not something that is hugely pressing for the American people

Here's the way I look at it. The freedom of the press is the first amendment in the Constitution. Oh, exactly

You nailed it. The freedom of the press. So we have CNN We have Fox I here with you guys I go on Fox News I think that that great that we have a marketplace of ideas in this country What I worry more about Don is the trend that we see in this country to controlling what different parties are actually able to say The American way to bad speech is more speech And so I think we need to actually embrace that culture and a more diverse marketplace of ideas

That's something we haven't done well enough in this country. With all honesty, you're not answering the question

You're giving us platitudes about... I'm not sure what your question is, Don. Do you want somebody bash Fox News on CNN

No, I'm not asking you to bash Fox News. I'm asking you to be honest about what happened on Fox News, about the lies that were told

and them having to admit the lies and paying the largest defamation settlement to a media company and history

and you are a frequent guest on that network. Are you concerned about the credibility

Are you going to continue to go on that network even with those credibility? I have far more concerns with the credibility of what we will call the mainstream media than I do with the credibility of Fox News

Fox is the mainstream media. At the end of the day, what I say is, look, neither you nor I know the details because they settled it before it went to trial

I think the obsession over this is a little weird. Listen, I don't want to get into that

There's real issues to talk about in the country. Why are we talking about Fox News and settlement? This is a very big and important story

We have much more that we want to talk about. I think we should. But we will get there when we're ready to get there

We have you on to talk about these issues. This is a very important issue, and it should not be downplayed

This has to do with American democracy, and Americans learning the truth about what happened in the 2020 election

You don't think that's important? I hear a lot of things. I'm comparing to CNN is not

this apples and oranges. It's not the same thing. Well, it's, you know, different networks, yes. Apples aren't

the same as oranges. You get one view through CNN. You get a different new through Fox News. I think it's good in our marketplace of ideas is that we have

media that offers diverse perspectives. And you want to talk about threats to our democracy

One of the threats, and that phrase is an interesting one, threats to our democracy

I think one of the biggest ones is the chilling effect on speech in our country

more broadly, where if somebody says something that a broad segment of the population

or certain people in the government disagree with, there's an increasing trend in our country to silence that. And the answer to bad speech and alleged misinformation

is not less speech. It is more speech in the marketplace of ideas. That's actually what a

free press really means. We're going to move on. But your answer was good, but it's not about

what's actually happened. It's not relevant to what's happening. I think the answer to what happened

at Fox News is to tell the truth. Media companies are tasked with telling the truth. That did not

happen in the situation. And that's why we're asking these questions. But let's move on. Let's talk more about a diverse exchange of ideas. That's

That's what I'm in for. Thank you. Glad you're here this morning. Your campaign slogan is a new American dream

and I was reading through your platform last night. I wonder what you would do specifically to actually bring us together

not just Republicans and Democrats. What does unity look like to you, Vivek, for rich and poor

for rural and urban, for Republicans and Democrats? That is the right question to be asking

And I think the main divide in this country, and I say this to conservative audiences equally

is not between Republicans and Democrats. It is between those of us who are pro-American

embracing the ideals that set this country into motion. And I think an increasing strain in this country

that is anti-American, that wishes to apologize for a nation founded on those ideals

But that's not a 50-50 split. I think most people are in the pro-American camp

And Poppy, I think one of the ways they would say we get to national unity, some people think is by showing up in the middle and compromising

I respect that view, but I reject it. You reject compromise. I reject compromising on our principles

I think the right way to get to national unity, and I mean this, to unite this country

is by embracing actually the radicalism of the American ideals themselves. We celebrate our diversity and differences I glad we have three different shades of melanin on this set right now two different genders That fine But what I say is so what That diversity is meaningless unless there something greater that binds us together that unites us across that diversity

And I'm running for president to revive those ideals that bind us together across our diverse attributes

I want to get into a few issues, one of them being China. Before I get to China, I just want to better understand something you said this week

before the audience at the NRA. Here's what you said, referring to back to 1865

Here it was. I want you to raise your hand if you know when the first anti-gun laws were passed in this country

Raise your hand if you do. 1865. You want to know when it happened

We fought a civil war in this country to give. black Americans, the equal protection under the law that we failed to secure them in 1776

But then you want to know what happened? Southern states passed anti-gun laws that stopped black people from owning guns

The Democrat Party, then as and now, wanted to put them back in chains

Then as in now, that's quite an accusation about the current Democratic Party

Who and what were you referring to? I was referring to Joe Biden and his expression of wanting to put them back in chains

dating back to Lyndon Johnson. I think Lyndon Johnson's so-called great society was one of the greatest

misnomer's in American political history where even back then in the 1960s

70% plus of black kids were born into two-parent homes. Today, that number is less than 30

in the opposite direction. The very policies that we implemented in this country

in the name of helping black Americans have actually been disastrous for black Americans and all Americans

And I think that that's something that we need to wake up to. In 1865, you were talking about the black coat

Right? That's right. Past enacted to make a crime for a black person to carry a gun in the South

But you're acquitted that to the current president. You're referring to economic chains

What are you saying? Well, I was referring to Joe Biden's, I think, ill-chosen expression to say they're the party that wants to put you back into chains

What I'm actually saying is that if you look at the policies of the modern Democratic Party

You just said that about Democrats. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is that actually it's policies like that of Lyndon Johnson and Joe Biden that are actually holding black Americans back

Lyndon Johnson is the war on poverty? Yes, and in particular his great society where he actually created incentives in the family

where if you're a family, you could actually get more money by not having the father in the home

Guess what you get? You get what you pay for? I think it's been really bad for the black community. I think it's really bad for all Americans

Do you have anything on this before I move on to China? I don't see what one has to do with the other, but go on

I took up a lot of time with Fox Day's. No, it's fine. We have time. I don't really see what one has to do with the other, especially consider, and using the civil war to talk about black Americans

That war was not fought for black people to have guns. That's not..

That war was fought for black people to have freedoms in this country. Actually, that's why the Civil War was fought

Okay. But that wasn't fought for black people to have guns, I think..

Actually, you don't know a funny fact is black people did not get to enjoy the other freedoms

until their Second Amendment rights were secured. And I think that's one of the lessons that we learned

But black people still aren't allowed to enjoy the freedoms. I disagree with you on that, Don

I disagree with you. I think you're doing a disservice to our country by failing to recognize the fact that

When you are in black skin and you live in this country, then you can disagree with me

But we're not. You mentioned that there are three different shapes in melanity here. I think we have to be able to talk about these issues in the open, regardless of the color of our skin

Black Americans today to say that compare that to 1865 and 1964 absolutely have equal rights in this country I think it insulting to black people It insulting to me as an African I don want to sit there and argue with you because it infuriating for you to put

that, to put those things together. It's not right. Your telling of history is wrong

What part of the history was wrong? What part of the history was wrong? You're making people think that the civil war was fought for black people, only for black people

to get guns and for black people to have. The civil war was fought for black people in this country

country to get freedoms a noble mission and I think that even after we succeeded we had to

actually secure those freedoms to reduce it in a speech at the NRA to say you're making people think

or you're trying to say that black people to get guns that was the reason that you're there at the

NRA that was a reason for for the civil war it is a fact it's not it's insulting there are a whole

plethora of reasons that for this with due respect I find I find your explanation

reductive and actually insulting, including to black Americans, to say that black people today

compared to 1964, 1865, haven't made progress in part because of the freedoms we secured

And the Second Amendment was part of the Secured in that frame. I cannot keep a thought if you guys are talking to me in my ear

So hang on one second. So to say that black people, say what you said again

Black people secured their freedoms after the Civil War as a historical fact, Don

Just study it. Only after their Second Amendment rights were secured. That's a fact

They were not secured their freedoms after the Civil War. that it's not you are discounting reconstruction, you're discounting a whole

host of things that happen after the Civil War when it comes to African Americans

including the whole reason that the Civil Rights Movement happened is because black

people did not secure their freedoms after the civil war and that things turned around

People tried to change the freedoms that were supposed to have. And you know how they got it? They got

their Second Amendment rights and they actually got, the NRA played a big role in that. But today, down the

The NRA did not play a big role in that. That's a lie. That's a lie

That's not. The NRA did not play a big role in that. historical fact. It's not historical fact. The part that I find... Just because you say it's historical

fact that I find insulting is when you say today black Americans don't have those rights after we have

the law through civil rights revolution in this country. You are sitting here telling an African-American about the rights and what you find insulting about the way I live, the skin I live in every day

Here's where you and I have different point of view. And I know the freedom that black people don't have in this country and that black people do have

Well, here's where you and I have a different point of view. I think we should be able to express our views regardless of the color of our skin. We should have this debate

I'm not saying you shouldn't express your view. as a black man, but me regarding you as a fellow citizen, that's what I think we should say

Whatever ethnicity you are explaining to me. Whatever ethnicity I'm, I'll tell you what I am

I'm an Indian American. I'm proud of it. But I think we should have this debate. Black, white, doesn't matter

I think we should have this debate. I think you should do it in an honest way and in a fair way

And what you're doing is not an honest and fair way. We appreciate you coming on. With due respect, Don, I look forward to continue that conversation

We'll continue the conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Papa. We'll talk about China. Yes, tell us about China

you come back. Oh, thank you. Much to say on declaring independence from China

Okay, you can move on now, please. Thank you. Obviously, that was an unprofessional

display by Don Lemon, and that had network executives furious with him. To suggest that somebody can't comment

about issues because they're not the same race as you is absolutely ridiculous

Hopefully, if this was the reason that Don was fired, he learns from it wherever he goes next

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