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saw analogs oh my gosh hi everybody in the chatroom
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I'm not chatting okay there we go I wish
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I had hotkeys for all this but I don't so it'll be what it is yeah Aki's
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hotkeys would be nice because hotkeys are little macros on my little button
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pad that I can push to switch cameras and whatnot the thing that came to mind was like on
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computer I don't know you know if you could still do it but like you'd hit like the shift button five times and something called sticky keys would turn
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on it's kind of like that yes okay I
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need to stop people think that I'm challenged geez
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I know you do it's true you do all right
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let's see here five minutes and Counting
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yep yeah it's it's in your in your last check I like text message actually I
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think what I can do is I'll just put it the top of the show notes cuz I keep forgetting what it is I opened it on my
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second screen and it's just it's huge just like a doomsday clock well such as
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the gather gonna go we are kind of like a Doomsday Clock no we're not no we're
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not I know doomsday clocks and we're not one this giant lozenge on a stick that
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I'm talking into is more of a Doomsday Clock [Music] right yeah because the microphone stand
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doesn't go down it just looks like it was added in for me to talk into no I
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can't even do that yeah I don't have any creative way to other than other than
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setting up the boom mic and I'm not gonna do that this is this is just fine I already did boom mic it came in
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yesterday and went to the office most of my stuff goes to Catholic radio if it's
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technologically inclined I came this close to getting a DSLR camera oh man
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but there's a 30 minute recording time on them yeah we can splice things
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together yeah but not if I'm doing a live stream does that go away if you plug it into a
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power source right it's battery life and
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it overheats and all that I mean I could try it on mine and see what happens but
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I've never tried I have Wi-Fi in mine but I've never tried a live stream anything yeah I'm pretty sure I'm pretty
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sure that it doesn't doesn't work that way hmm it's a limitation actually it's
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an EU limitation it is a it is just a like a an arbitrary etu limitation
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because if they made it any other then they would have to classify it as a video camera and the tariffs would be more or something yeah yeah enter
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politics as with everything that some it is it is in fact very dumb very very
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dumb 13 has declared rightly yeah okay you know what about this thing what done
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had enough what happened I can't see myself can I see myself I can't see myself closer oh I see that is a yeah a
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problem lemma that's a problem ah okay two minutes I mean we'll attempt
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to start at 7:00 we were on the stopwatch so it's not a big deal okay and apparently my bells in the church
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are two minutes ahead that cuz it's not connected to the Internet the bells lose to men are they gain two minutes like
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every three months so I'm constantly having to go over and adjust the bells times three because I don't have just
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the one pair aha
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I can mute myself yes you can no one I gotta sneeze man back yes
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I kind of like this studio at home studio set up yeah yeah it looks nice
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thanks the evolution of Kathleen becoming an introvert we all know that's not
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happening that ain't happenin at all into the studio tomorrow bingo okay you
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know I'm just saying I'm not afraid if you ever want to go back in I'm ready I'm thinking my next weekend we might we
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might go back or at least I will we have if somebody would if Olivia wants to
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remain at home she can because we do have IP DTL so she can she can remote in or we can use Skype so but I don't call
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it that no I pee I pee down the line so Internet
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Protocol down the line which is a soft what's it called a soft version of an
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ISDN line which would be a dedicated used to be that whenever you had to do
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something point-to-point like we're doing you'd have to have a dedicated internet line that goes from like your
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studio to the studio other people receiving your audio and so now that can be done over public IP lines like the
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Internet ah okay kind of it creates kind of a virtual luge if you will for for
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your bits and packet and whatnot to get from one to the other with low latency so okay good
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ideal internet protocol down the line hey Josh I'd say Tom got it yeah I know
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I know well shall we start yeah okay let's pray
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in the name of the Father the Son the Holy Spirit amen Almighty God we give you thanks in this Easter season for the resurrection of
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your son Jesus who was our Lord and our King we ask Lord that you would place us squarely within his heart and under his
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continued patronage that he would lead us to you O Father we ask also that you
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would place us within the mantle of our mother Mary who prays for us always and always keeps us close to the heart of
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her son as she Nestle's us close to her heart we ask that you would help us as we broadcast your gospel this evening
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and help us to say things that will help those on the way to salvation we ask that you would help us to refrain from
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saying the things that do not help those in their walk towards Christ we ask that
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you would protect all of our equipment from any deadly attack of the enemy in the name of the Father the Son the Holy Spirit amen
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all right everybody um if you want we can start our timers we like we usually
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do our little countdown you you good with that mm-hmm all right so standing
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by stand by bark by and three two one
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start today on the show a new Italian
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venerable might just be close to your age honoring Mary in the home the vocation of spiritual motherhood our picks of the
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week and so much more the Catholic underground quarantine Edition starts right now
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it is time for the Catholic Underground the podcast that tries to cut through the noise of the digital continent and
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bringing you the topics that matter it's episode number 425 I am a father
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Chris Decker joining us this week as we always do we've got Kathleen Lee she is the
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magista maxima and well it's a teacher at Our Lady of Mercy School in Baton Rouge hey Kathleen Godsey also we've got
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Olivia galino she's a student of life she is our resident Italian food critic and she joins us as she always does from
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her undisclosed location hey Olivia that's right it's kind of a loft isn't
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it to be honest presently it is I like to shake it up some new and quite quite
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knows where I'm coming from oh that's true right yeah you got to keep it moving that's that's a that's like a quarantine on the move you really are
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living Exodus aren't you I think you
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mean right yeah on on Wednesday Pope Francis advance the sainthood causes a
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five men and women including an Italian teenager who died of a brain tumor in 2009 declaring all of them venerable and
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as you know Kathleen and Olivia venerable is the title that is given at
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that kind of the next step in on the way to sainthood right so you have servant
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of God then venerable then bless it and then saint and those are little steps of canonization so in addition we'll talk
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about we'll talk about this Italian teenager in just a second but in addition the Pope approved the heroic virtue of Italian priest Francesco
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Caruso Carmelo De Palma as well as the Spanish Redemptorist priests Francisco Montagu he has a very
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long middle name that I can't pronounce in fact that very same let's see if I can do it let's see
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Badshah Gordon Montague who was a priest before he became a priest he was married
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in later widowed and had a daughter maria de la concepción butter chigorin garcia who was also declared venerable
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by the pope on may 6th so they're like this whole family here we go right that's that's really see that yeah the
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fifth sainthood cost to move a step forward for canonization was that of Italian teenager Matteo Farina who lived
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from 1990 to 2009 did we say last year last week Kathleen when you were born when I was born yeah
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when you when you were born how was it born and in 1986 1986 that's right we're
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close we're proximate in age it's true and yet it's it's really quite something
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to think that that there's a young man who is on his way to sainthood that was born within well in my case within a
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year of me and within five years of you Olivia you're you're no I'm younger I'm
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92 baby Oh 1992 well then you're closer in age to Timoteo Farina mmm how
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interesting to think like somebody that's your age right is is on his way to sainthood Farina grew up in a strong
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Christian family in the southern Italian town of Brindisi so for those of you following along on the on the Roman
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calendar you might think of st. Lawrence of Brindisi and and and so Matteo was
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very close to his sister Erica and the parish where where Mateo received his
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sacraments like we all have a parish church while Mateo did as well and he was under the care of the Capuchin
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friars and it was with them that he gained the great devotion to st. Francis and st. Padre Pio and as well you know
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when you get when st. Padre Pio and st. Francis get there their saintly hooks in
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yeah they draw you in you know the postulator of her foot in this case said
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that from a young age Mateo had the desire to learn new things so like imagine Olivia being friends with this
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guy well we all know that that you would want to be in Italy anyway if you had your choice right yeah absolutely
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Kathleen would want to be too so I mean it's not like see how it's saying before the show started how I want to be in
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Italy as well but so so Mateo always liked to learn new things and whenever
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he did he gave himself a hundred percent to it so it was it was school and academics or sports or he had a passion
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for music as well but there was really something about Mateo that he started to
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take very seriously from when he was eight years old so typically seven years
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old I think you receive your First Holy Communion is that right I think that's right there about
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yeah so presumably and he was preparing for for to receive first Eucharist he
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developed this love for the sacrament of reconciliation and so he would receive he would go to confession often he was
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devoted also to the Word of God at nine years old I can't even say I did this at nine in fact I can say I did not do this
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at nine at nine years old I read the entire Gospel of st. Matthew as a Lenten practice yeah and from a very young age
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he prayed the rosary every day isn't that something I mean I remember
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saying the rosary as as a seven or eight year old but I don't remember being
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devoted you know what's so crazy about this is like you hear that from kids who
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were like you know alive and like the 300s the 400s you know right you don't
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hear about that that kind of devotion coming from a young age from someone who
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lived in in the you know the 21st century that's very true yeah and of course I mean that's that's where you
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can see like he's on his way to sainthood because from a very young age he responded to the call to the graces
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that were given to you know and it's worth saying that we can all do that you know it's it's it's not foreign to any
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of us to respond to grace but but there are those like Matteo who from a very
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young age of Lourdes kind of should we say advances along the way of the of the
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spiritual ladder because as we'll learn he had something important for him to do
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when he was nine years old he had a dream in which he heard Saint Padre Pio
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tell him that if he understood that he who is without sin is happy let's see
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here on me let me just double check there we go we lost Olivia for just a second he had a he had a dream in which st. Padre Pio
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said he who is without sin is happy and he must help others to understand this
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so that we can all go together happy into the kingdom of heaven and and from
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that point onward Mateo felt a strong desire to evangelize so when he was nine years old he had a dream in which Padre
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Pio says he who is without sin is happy so we can connect that to his his devotion to the sacrament of
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reconciliation and so he began he became kind of an evangelist at the age of nine
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and the the acts for his next step in
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sainthood there towards sainthood says which he did politely and without presumption he once wrote about his
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desire saying quote I hope to succeed in my mission to infiltrate among young people speaking to them about God
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illuminated by God himself isn't that something that somebody that that young man who knows that to be a
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Christian in the world today we have to infiltrate the culture in yeah in a good
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way in the best sense of the word saying I'm a Christian and that's how I am and that's part of who I am you know yeah I
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love that it says here he did it politely and without presumption a lot of times especially young people yeah
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you know when they when they aren't fire for something it's like they're they're lit up and there's no control yeah you
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know they go like like Hulk smashing through you know but he did it he
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understood that to infiltrate he's got to be like like a kind of like a ninja you know he's got to kind of kind of get
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into these places without you know pulling a Hulk on people I'm being like
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I know something so good and I want you to know it too without shoving it down your throat
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you know that's right exactly and that's I mean that's really what we're all called to do to evangelize simply by
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living our lives in a holy manner where people look at us and they go there's something about that's there's something different about you yeah you know and
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that's exactly what Matteo tried to do he said I observe those around me to enter among them as silent as a virus
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and infect them with an incurable disease love that's very telling in in
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our quarantine edition here and that's exactly what Matteo he understands that that love love is is is a kind of an
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infection right and it is the best kind of infection because it renews us it spreads through us and it spreads beyond
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us and renews us and a month before his thirteen birthday in September of 2003 mateo
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began to have symptoms of what would later be diagnosed as a brain tumor as he was undergoing his medical tests he
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began to keep a journal and he called the experience of the bad headaches in pain quote one of those adventures that
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change your life and that of others it helps you to be stronger and to grow above all in faith unquote and over the
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next six years he would experience several brain operations he would undergo chemotherapy under treatment and
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treatments for his tumor and one thing that happened was his love for Mary strengthened he consecrated himself to
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her Immaculate Heart and and so to realize that it's in the crucible of
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this debilitating disease right of illness of having a brain tumor that he
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recognized in his journal that it's a life changing adventure and I think sometimes we've we can
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forget so easily that when we undergo the cross it's really it's an adventure it's called to be an adventure I mean
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the very word adventure writes it too good to move towards to venture towards something rather than to flee in an
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adventure you think about an adventure it's always like a going in like going yeah further and deeper in and exactly
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what he did every time every time I call my dad and you know tears are shed and
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things aren't going well and he cries Kathleen think of it as an adventure and so that's our little idea to think of
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like you know your fate life as that adventure you can't nobody watches an
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adventure where all you do is sit on the couch all day that's not fun yeah most adventures you know that you watch a
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movie on or you know is is this journey and there are good times and there are bad times but you know that that
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suffering is part of the adventure the furniture and and it's hard to have
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virtual adventures in that way you know I think we especially nowadays where we're you know doing all these things
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virtually and there is an adventure to sitting at home I suppose to some degree but but but practicing our faith living
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our faith carrying the cross daily what Jesus wants us to do to be his disciples
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is to set off on an adventure I think JRR Tolkien's probably does that the best right and the Lord of the Rings
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trail is I'm paraphrasing here but you know it's a dangerous thing setting out the
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front door of your home you know and that's that's exactly that's exactly what we what we do
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so in between hospitalizations Matteo continued to live the ordinary life of a teenager he went to school he hung out
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with his friends he formed a band and of course he fell in love with a girl sweet
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says he was he was 15 right he later called the chaste relationship that he had with Serena sounds like a beautiful
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young lady during the last two years of his life the most beautiful gift that the Lord could give him he reflected on
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friendship at 15 sang coat I would like to be able to integrate with my peers without being forced to imitate them in
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mistakes I would like to feel more involved in the group without having to renounce my Christian principles it's
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difficult difficult but not impossible unquote this is why eventually Mateos
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condition worsened and after a third surgery he became paralyzed in his left arm and in his leg but he would often
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repeat that quote we must live every day as if it were the last but not in the sadness of death but rather in the joy
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of being ready to meet the Lord gosh I want my plato's faith he died surrounded
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by his friends and family on April 24 2009 and Francesca Cohen Cellini who is
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the postulator which is the person who brings the case of a person forward for consideration to the Congregation for
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Saints in Rome wrote on a website dedicated to Timoteo that in him emerged
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a deep inner commitment oriented towards purifying his heart from every sin and
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he experienced this spirituality quote not with heaviness effort or pessimism
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indeed from his words there emerges constant trust in God a tenacious determined and serene gaze turned
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towards the future unquote man yeah he was tenacious right to be tenacious in
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our faith just again it is seeing it as an adventure Farina often thought about the faith and
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the difficulty of going against the current so Matteo knew he was going against the curtain that it
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was difficult concerned about a lack of good faith education for young people he undertook this task among his own peers
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he once wrote in his journal quote when you feel that you can't do it when the world falls on you when every choice is
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a critical decision when every action is a failure and you would like to throw everything away when intense work
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reduces you and your whole being reflect on God's love for you and for others how
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beautiful how beautiful is that so um so at this point you know blessed Matteo or
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all not quite blessed venerable Matteo we ask that you would pray for us especially as we are making our way
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through this adventure of life yeah right now and how many people how many young people do you know that that could
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use his intercession you know oh my god every one of them tenacious like she was
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quoting from his journal but also his joy like you sent his joy in every
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situation that he seems to meet and like echoing like I don't like he would have
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been alive most of his life and john paul ii pontificate and so you really
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hear john paul saying like life with christ is a wonderful adventure and like this like he lived it yeah and and he
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must have been listening to that the teaching of john paul ii at this point to who's like saying put out into the
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deep be not afraid young people of the world come to christ you know throw open wide the doors to christ and and and
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these the saints of this generation i think are the ones who are going to be praying for our present generations our
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younger generations who maybe haven't had some of those those folks in their lives you know
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yeah well venerable matteo Farina please intercede for us and for our culture
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oriented towards death help us to see faith in life as an adventure and to look towards the lord alright it is that
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time of the program we just simply remind you who we are on what we do we are the catholic underground
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you are listening to the Catholic Underground we are online all the time at Catholic Underground TV I am father
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Chris we're joined by Kathleen Lee also by Olivia galino and and of course all
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the gang are more or less on just on standby basically we plug Jeff into the
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wall and we can't push him into his little cubicle and we set the the suspended animation timer and so
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hopefully within a week or so we'll be ready to pull him out of the deep freeze and and Edie we don't really know where
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ed goes we think he just phases into a different dimension we sure as a matter of fact anyway our big just sinks into
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the ball pit you know say the ball pit is just his own dimension extra
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dimension yeah where the video cave lives slash ball pit our Pick of the Week are coming up in just a little
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while but first we thought that we would let Kathleen introduce you yet again to
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to Mary but Mary specifically in the home right Kathleen absolutely yes and
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as we heard in our last segment many many of our Saints have a great devotion to Our Lady and that's something that
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you know has been super important in my life as a Catholic in the lives of Catholics is how we honor right how we
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honor Mary and you know there's always the discussion of no we don't worship Mary right but that we honor her and
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it's because Christ Himself honored Mary right one of his last one of his last
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you know phrases on earth he's on he's dying on the cross he looks down and
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there is Mary his mother and John the Beloved Disciple and he says to Mary woman here is your
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son and then he he said to John here is your mother and these are some of the
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last words that Jesus spoke so they're kind of important a lot of words and
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they're all very important but we see Mary from the beginning of the gospel you know to the end and that's important
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it's not like they said oh and Jesus was born and then did his thing you know
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she's present there and so you know in the most excruciating the moment of his life he look down from the cross and saw the
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two people whom he loved the most right his mother and the Beloved Disciple John right and as their presence there them
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just being there was consolation for him he took the time to to to take care of
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them and bring them together as mother and son and so it says that you know tradition says that Mary lived the
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remainder of her life with John in a home in Ephesus right that's it's on my
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list of places I want to go I really really really want to go to Ephesus as
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well I'd be all about that footsteps of
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Paul mmm-hmm because we also know that Mary like Jesus in died Mary just went
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okay I'm done bye see ya right know she's doubled down anyway said she
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doubled down she got in with the early church she became the mom of the early church she did with all these scared
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little boys like they're all scared of
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Mary's like just you wait just you wait yeah but actually Pope
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emeritus Benedict the 16th I think that's the correct way to say it anyway it's the right friend he talks about how
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the Greek text of the Bible passage where he you know woman here is your son
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is a far deeper and far richer we could translate it he took Mary into his inner
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life into his inner being into the depths of his being right and so ready
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made a spiritual honey for my mom right but she's gonna be not only your mom
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John but all those all those guys who weren't here right now she's gonna be their mom all those that come after you
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for eons she's gonna be their mama too right and so actually Saint John Vianney wrote
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quote Jesus Christ after having given us all he could give that is to say the merit of his toils his sufferings and
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bitter death after giving us his adorable body and blood to be food for our souls willed also to give us the
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most precious thing he had which was his holy mother so after he given all that he physically could on
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the cross he gauged to the church the only thing he had left right and the thing that was most precious to him was
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his mother all right so how do we cultivate a relationship with Mary we all know that may is May is her month
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yep this is the month of Mary and so you know how do we honor her in our homes
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and that's a great way we're all at home right now we're all making spaces to study wrong making spaces to work we
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should also be making spaces to pray and to - you know especially in this month
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to honor our lady so that we can do that in our home and some of you may already
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be doing this but if you're not these are they're not huge you don't have to you know go to Hobby Lobby and buy off
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the store although you know these are
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some things that you can simply do one is to pray we all associate one of our
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most precious and most basic prayers to Mary which is the Hail Mary right and we
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also you know have the beautiful gift of the Rosary and when we pray the rosary
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we imitate on the life of Jesus which is really interesting to explain to people that like we're praying for Mary to
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intercede with us as we meditate with her on the life of her son mm-hmm and it's a beautiful and powerful devotion
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one that I know I've said many times that I wanted to make a part of my normal prayer life this has given this
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this you know quarantine has definitely given me that that gift and the Rosary for those of you who are like me it was
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very intimidating I thought I'm out to devote like an hour to the Rosary and I'm about to memorize it no you don't
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there are so many things out there that can help you you know guides you could I still pull out my guide every time I
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leave the Rosary because I can't for the life of me memorize and I know I'm gonna mess them up so I'd rather get it right
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you know memorize the mystery the mystery another thing that I like that I
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have is it's called the little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary oh yeah and it's just like it's morning prayer and
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evening prayer for every day of them of the week and it's super-short super there are a million
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and one prayer books out there that are dedicated to hourly but she invites us to to enter into that prayer with her
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the second thing is to ponder right Mary pondered a lot of things Mary cuts a lot
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of things in her heart she teaches me about that you know just to be like hey don't be quick to you know to respond
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take it into your heart and ponder sit with it so what does that look like did you've ever done Lexie or Davina right
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it's it's you know meditating on some Scripture and Mary's not you know she is she is present in the scriptures but
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there's not a it's very simple whenever she appears she doesn't give these long
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lectures but so if you if you're not familiar with Lexi oh right you can what
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you do is you sit down with a verse you consider what it means to you read it over and over again and you can ask
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yourself some questions what can you learn from Mary how can you emulate her words and actions in your own life some
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things that you can you know some places that you can look look to Mary in the scriptures the Annunciation the
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visitation the Nativity the presentation the losing and the finding of Jesus in the temple or the Wendy at Cana the
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crucifixion and of course her role in the early church yeah most of these took
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place like in a home or in the context of the family right one of the other
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thing you can do is to read read about Mary there are some excellent excellent books about Mary out there written by
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some very awesome scholars of the church one of my favorites and I'm gonna tell you I've never ever read a book over and
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over again like I had this it's Scott Hans hail holy Queen oh yeah one of my favorite if you want to know more about
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Mary and not just pray with her yeah but know more about her this is a phenomenal
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phenomenal book and so probably Chris you said this is one of your favorites Olivia do you have any um I'm trying to
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think there is a name of a book that I can't think of right now but it's kind of like he'll hold the Queen's like it's
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kind of speculatively looking it at Mary and what we know about our doctrinally but if I can think of it all
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put in the senate's dr. brandt p she also has want a new one right i think it's oh yeah wish roots of mary yes
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certainly on my list of things so there are also many many children's books one
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of that suggest in this article is take it to the queen a tale of hope by Josephine OB so you
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know and there there are several several children's books get your children if you have children get them to love Mary
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yeah early on it's easy it's easy for them to love this beautiful mother that
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we have and so if you can have if you can develop and foster that love for Mary early excellent another thing if
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you do is decorate yes this is the month of of Our Lady I love this if you have
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you can start by getting like a beautiful statue like if you're watching this is one that I have there are
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beautiful beautiful statues beautiful beautiful images of our of Our Lady and these your things you can keep up in
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your home all year long or you can decorate for the month of Mary May or October which is the month of the Rosary
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you can create a small Marian shrine on a mantel or a bookshelf
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it can include a holy card or rosary some candles a statue have your kids you
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know make me make flowers no people o bouquets for Mary I made a crown this morning out of little my little Jasmine
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vines yes absolutely decorate you know do they make crowning
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and that's you know what our last thing to celebrate there are a lot of feast days out there and find a few that are
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meaningful to you you can you know do things like with if you have kids have
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decorate cupcakes for her birthday in September or enjoy a Mexican dinner on the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe or if
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you don't want to you know have food involved you can absolutely make a consecration to Jesus through Mary right
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it is a 33 day process and I would suggest 33 days to morning-glory write a
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consecration by father Michael Gately yeah or you can have you can
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create anything you want you know to honor Mary such as a prayer shawl or you
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know a painting a hand quote put it in your home's decor so that it's it's a part of your everyday I
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have something over my front door that says totus to us or you know Pope Pope
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John Paul the second totally you are it says papal motto see Marian whatever it
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is yeah celebrate Our Lady in your home this month for sure that's right we're gonna take a little bit of a break so stay
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right where you are the Catholic Underground comes back right after this
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nicely done Kathleen and so this is the commercial so 30 seconds back yeah sorry
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I don't know what happened Skype just closed yeah well again it's it's more
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work to do it's alright we're good I'm furious ten seconds don't rush me five seconds four
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three welcome back to the Catholic
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Underground you have found us I am father Chris Decker joined alongside of me in these boxing Olivia galino
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and Kathleen Lee if you're listening to us on the podcast well then you're lucky you don't have to look at us in boxes
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our picks of the week are coming up first but we thought that we'd got to dive a little bit deeper into this
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Marian theme of course since this is I guess all the first one of the first programs of May for the Catholic
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underground and and set Olivia loose on the vocation of spiritual motherhood
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because we talked actually last week about st. Joseph and about kind of the crisis of spiritual fatherhood in
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manhood and so now it may it's very fitting for us to talk about Mary and her motherhood exactly and you know that
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we're recording this Mother's Day here in the United States and so it's kind of a topic that's been on our mind all day
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mother's and and all the people who have been mothers to us and in the church you
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know this this phrase spiritual motherhood might not be as unfamiliar because in the church the past several
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years especially since like the late 1980s when john paul ii was really
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focusing on mary um there's been this greater recognition in the Church of the this vocation
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almost of spiritual motherhood yeah right so it's a vocation like all vocations
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that should be formed in love and the desire to give love and to spread love to everyone that you meet right that's
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what st. Therese Torres all the see sets like our vocation is to love right the particular instantiation of that
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vocation is going to look different depending on how God wants you to live that out but at its core everyone's
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vocation is to love yep and so women of every age and in every
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state of life whether you're single you're married you're widowed you're in religious life women of every age can be
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and should be I'll say spiritual mothers Yeah right it's kind of built in right
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it's part of the feminine genius exactly and it's it's not just built in like some people want to like focus on like
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well yeah like a woman is able to like a receive a child and like bear child in her womb and like yeah that's very much
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a part of motherhood but spiritual motherhood is recognizing that capacity for receptivity that happens on this
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spiritual level or this emotional level in a sense in a sense the biology of
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woman is is kind of sacramental in that sense right it's a physical manifestation of a much deeper reality
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that is present in the soul of woman that is that is present unlike it is in
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the soul of man can I say exactly I can say that that's theologically correct well yeah and I mean each time would
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agree with you you know I agree with her she's kind of famous for saying that a
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woman's soul is fashioned as a shelter in which other Souls may unfold and she
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she really does she has a series of essays called essays on women where she
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kind of devotes time to this topic like is there a difference between a man's soul and a woman's soul what would those
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differences be and then she starts to kind of opine about like okay well what
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what makes a woman soul distinct and that's what she says is distinct it's just a capacity for shelter this
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capacity for refuge yeah and that's beautiful to think about
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- because of how her life unfolded and and how so many dignities were taken away from her and yet she still realized
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that the one thing that she could do is be a shelter for the Sacred Heart she could be a shelter for her relationship
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with the Lord exactly and that's where that kind of spiritual so kinda tea or procreation
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comes from as your closeness with the Lord right think about how Jesus is born in the womb of Mary it's because of her
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that the grace that was within her her relationship with the Holy Spirit as spouse and her yes to the Holy Spirit's
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activity in her so the closer that we are to God as women the the more
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intimate that Union the more time we spend like Kathleen was saying in prayer in spiritual reading in you know
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participating in the sacraments we're available again like the more that we do
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those things the more that we foster that relationship and we allow God to as Pope st. Paul the sixth said at the end
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of Attica - he said that women should be impregnated with the spirit of the gospel like that's what happens right
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and I know that I'm using like maybe like kind of language but like on a spiritual level that's what happens very
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much we're someone if you want to give life yeah as as a spiritual mother or as
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a spiritual father then you have to to be close to the author of all life yeah right and that requires intimacy do you
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think that sometimes this I don't really know how to say it you know I don't know
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but do you think that this kind of has a lot to do with with the way that perhaps
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some women are so bent if you will so determined to have biological children
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that they'll even go to kind of anti-life procedures to have this done right to kind of do two wrongs make a
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right kind of thing because there there is they recognize that there is a
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reception a receptivity that's that's part of who they are and a desire to generate new life but that there is a
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depth to how that new life is generated that isn't just simply biological and so
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missing that that bit that that that crucial piece there's a drive like at
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any cost I want to have a child and yeah this this may not be the way that you will best
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glorify the way that the Lord has for the cross that he wishes for you to embrace yeah
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yeah I think it's a matter of realizing and you know I say this with utmost sensitivity to people who experience
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infertility their absolute across absolutely yes yes I think it's a matter of you know thinking about so I don't
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know sometimes people can talk about spiritual maternity and spiritual motherhood as like a consolation prize oh but anyway well if nothing else
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you're still a spiritual mother and no like with all due respect no like I I
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mean I didn't even think in your own life like people who have been spiritual mothers to you I've been thinking about that a lot today since it's Mother's Day
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and I've been thinking about all the women who have been mothers to me that are not my biological mother for me yes
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my biological mother a hundred percent thanks mama but like also all the women
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who have mothered me yeah in very intentional and very beautiful ways and how they have made me more of a woman
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right i teaches me what that is it's a real motherhood it's a very real
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motherhood and it's not and it's not a consolation prize you know it's not like a facsimile
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relationship it's if there's a real spiritual depth to it and think about it like this like we are biological
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creatures I have matter I have stuff to me yeah but I am the stuff of God's love
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and God is is also spirit right I'm made in the image of God that the material of
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my body is a gift right but I'm made in God's image and God is spirit and so I am a body and a soul and so to be a
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mother on just the biological plane in one sense isn't enough right I have to be this spiritual mother as well this
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emotional mother it's like a logical mother all these these kind of separate distinctions because I am body and soul
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yeah right and to see me this time who is also maybe more properly known by her
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religious name sate Therese have been addicted the cross because that's the name that she had when she died but she
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describes what we're talking about and I'm gonna read it a little bit a little bit lengthy but it's so worth it so she
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says that the intrinsic value of woman consists essentially in exceptional receptivity for God's work in the soul
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right so she's just talking specifically on the level of the soul women not even just in the body
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women have a this particular and exceptional receptivity the ability to receive God's work in the soul and she
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says for an understanding of our unique feminine nature let us look to the pure love and spiritual maternity of Mary
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right again Mary as a model of femininity and of what that's like to receive God's God's love for us yeah
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she says dispute this spiritual maternity is the core of a woman's soul it's not something like in the corner
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it's the core wherever a woman functions authentically in the spirit of maternal
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pure love Mary collaborates with her this holds true whether the woman is married or single professional or
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domestic or both are religious in the world or in the convent through this love a woman is God's special weapon and
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his fight against evil yes her intrinsic value is that she is able to do so because she has a special
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susceptibility for the works of God in Souls her own and others she relates to
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others in his spirit of love yes basically what she's saying there is
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that when you function authentically as a spiritual mother Mary is there
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collaborating with you and being a mother to that person and to you yeah right I can tell you that you you mean
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we'll talk about in just a second but as a priest and as a seminarian there are our women who were mothers to me and who
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continue to be mothers to me that encouraged me on a level that that
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no no man can do like like like no father figure in my life can't encourage
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me in the same way that the strong spiritual mothers I have had have done
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yeah and I think it's I think it's exactly what sandy the Stein says is that it's because Mary is collaborating
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here and so there's oh I'm gonna get into specula allergy here but there's almost like a a
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a quasi in persona marry that shared whenever whenever a spiritual motherhood
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is taking place because that's that's how Mary was was taken into the life of Saint John and that's how John received
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Mary was was as that very real spiritual mother that helped to guide the soul
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towards Jesus I recently had a conversation you know as asked I was asked as a teacher what I what I would
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however respond if a student asked me why women can't be priests I was like
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dang man like if you focus on what we can't do as women you are missing what
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we can do yeah and what we're called to do and I talked about that I spoke about that I said many many priests that I
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know you know will tell you some of their best spiritual advisors or women Tom and it's true that that role as as
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sister as mother yep it's an to nourish and support and and if you're thinking
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like well all this sounds amazing like kind of like when you hear about Saints who have these like you know fantastic
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lights and journals and everything you're like that sounds great but like who I can't do that yes you can
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motherhood is a gift that's that every woman is is meant to grab on to you and
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live right remember like through the love of God for you and Mary's collaboration with you yep remember what
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st. John says a woman is God's special weapon in his fight against evil yeah
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which means that you're gonna you're given everything that you need just in the fact that you're created your breathing and your existing right now
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that's enough right and it has to do with the the way that you receive other
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people into your own heart and I remember reading one time I think I've talked about this book on the see you as
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my pick of the week but it's called beginning to pray by Anthony blue my anthony balloon yeah
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and he he has this little like part of the end that's kind of like shoved in
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there but it's on intercessory prayer and basically he doesn't say anything about it except for this experience that
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a monk had where like he was asked you know how he prayed for for other people
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and he was also like the kind of foreman at a factory or something I don't know what look but you said that
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the way that he would pray for his workers and this would be what he did like most of the day he would pray for
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his workers by like imagining himself inside that person's life and being like well you know John's wife is pregnant so
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you know praying with that and then praying for their kids and kind of like going through the motions of their life
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as if he was that person yeah and so women I think have a particular way to
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live out spiritual Maternity like that right as intercessory prayer but not just like well you know pray for
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so-and-so pray for so-and-so pray for so-and-so but really to do that rights to to animate to allow other other lives
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to animate ourselves so that we can bring those lives to God right and it begins with care and compassion right
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I'm not generally not gonna pray for someone because I don't care about them but even the way that I pray should
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demonstrate my capacity my compassion for them right so and then no matter what it is whether you're like praying
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outside an abortion clinic whether you're visiting someone in a nursing home you're teaching CCD you're serving
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at a soup kitchen you know those are all activities of spiritual mother's yes
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right and it and it comes down to you I mean you'll hear about Kathleen can definitely speak to this like you'll
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hear about transformative experiences that people have especially women in crisis and sometimes it's like someone
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listening to me somebody smiled at me someone bought me food you know it's not yeah someone
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looks me in the eyes exactly yeah it's it's rarely ever gonna be like someone bought me a car or
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someone like you know waved a sign or something like it's someone who recognized me as a person and women have
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this maybe unparalleled ability to do that because our brains are set up to
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think relationally neurologically that's where we are psychologically that's
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where we are um because we're that's that's what's happening on the level of the soul for us - yeah and so John Paul
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the second who like I said really kind of pioneered the way forward when it comes to this this idea of the feminine
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genius and spiritual motherhood he says in malarious didn't you talk to that this moral and spiritual strength
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of a woman is joined to her awareness that God entrusts the human being to her in a special way and that word that idea
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of entrustment is is huge with John Paul because he he realizes that like there's
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a gift that one woman it's a gifted situation that one woman is given to another or one person is given to
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another and that the woman who receives that soul as a as a shelter as a refuge
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feels a sense of responsibility for that person right they understand that they
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have been entrusted with this gift this precious life because they can through the eyes of Mary and through the eyes of
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God can see that the dignity of that person and so that's what kind of like
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draws us into praying for that person helping to meet that person's needs
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helping to to helping that person to be who they're called to be right that's
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what entrustment is that's what spiritual Maternity is and you know a
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woman's awareness that people are entrusted to her then leads her to entrust them to God right you know we're
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never called to be like like a bomb shelter right that's not the kind of shelter to be we need to be this kind of
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open-air shelter where people come to us and then we can let them go people come to us and then we can let them go but
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we're not letting them go out into the unknown unprepared but we're bringing them to God right we were a Waystation
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we're not the final destination well that was always the image that my favorite image of Mary was that she drew
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people into her and then like you know like they're one of my favorite statues
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of Mary's and st. Matthew's Cathedral and my fluency is Mary coming out of the
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the cosmos coming out of the sky and she's reaching down to the people well
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at the same time with their other hands she's reaching reaching up like come on like I'm about to I'm about to bring you
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into something so much better and so much greater but it's not a look at me but you know come with me yeah yeah and
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and that's a really great model for a spiritual Maternity too because it's not the like this attitude of superiority right
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it's not like I'm I know better than you so you need to listen to me but it's you know I know where you want to go right I
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see the things that that pain you I see the things that that weigh on you and I
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know that there's a better way so let me show you that way right but it happens
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in all humility recognizing that like I don't have the answers but and I'm not I'm not asked to have
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all the answers but if I know the destination I can point the way right
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and so all of this is is part of why there's this special kind of vocation of
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the spiritual motherhood of priests you know I think about sister Philomena Marie formerly Katie Rashard who is you
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know a dear friend of mine and who specifically has this this particular motherhood for priests and religious
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order that's one of the charism of the religious order that she is professing her first vows for students just a few
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weeks that's right yeah but the whole
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idea that kind of spiritual motherhood for her priestess is specifically
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devoting that motherhood right that is intended towards the care of all people
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yeah and to be that shelter for people and and devoting it to the sanctification of priests right to offer
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prayer and sacrifices for their holiness because their fathers so then their holiness if a priest is holy and his
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congregation will feel the effects of that sanctity right so a will be maples your intern yeah yeah no priest is an
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island like there's no such thing as a lone-wolf priest because we always have to be connected to a bishop right that's
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where our faculties come from but there's no lone wolf priests when it comes to being a father as well we
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always must have those who are our mothers you know we always must have those who are our sister collaborators
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as well we can't live in a vacuum and that's a that's a way for a priest to
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atrophy is if he has no experience of the feminine in his life or very little
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I would say the same thing of any man actual but look priesthood especially yeah one
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and I've seen that like in Kathleen too like the even last week when she was talking about like you know talking to
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priests who were kind of struggling with how to do life in quarantine and I was just listening to her talking about her
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conversations with them and I'm like that spiritual motherhood you want it on display it's that right there it's gentle but it's firm and it's still like
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I'm gonna pray for you right it's always underlined with that reality that in in
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the end we we have to our trust place in the transcendent Lord of the universe so all of our problems will be like like
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air to him and we can devote everything to him and so it's really this it's like
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this complementarity right this complementarity of men and women that we see played out specifically in the in
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the intercession of priests and religious in the church and it's that
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complementarity that we see between Mary and Jesus right think of the wedding at Cana and when Mary says to Jesus you
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know they have no wine right and she her specific intercession on behalf of the
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people at that wedding is what calls Jesus to his first act of his first public witness to his divinity Yeah
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right and she doesn't you know force it out of him she doesn't say like you have to do this if she doesn't cry she's to
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manipulate him whatever she just tells him the problem he responds back and she
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just turns around and says do whatever he tells you yeah in the same way that Jesus looks at
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the rich young man loves him and says you know go so what you have give to the poor and then come follow me Mary looks
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at her son loves him and then says do whatever he tells you you know you get the sense that he learns that that
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activity that kind of activation of ministry from her yeah exactly and so
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like if you if you ever maybe doubt like well what can I do you know like in spiritual motherhood you know or you
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maybe have that kind of temptation to think of it as like a consolation prize yeah think about that right think about
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Mary's intercession for these people who were not her children Yeah right they were maybe family but they were not
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her children her by children but she loves them to the point of doing something about it and
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interceding on behalf of her son you know and then and and what happens is
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Jesus's first miracle right some miracles can happen through spiritual motherhood and the intercession of spiritual mothers true and so I'll just
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I'll just close with this line from John Paul the second letter to women talking about how women have this vocation to
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love so he says for in giving themselves to others each day women fulfill their deepest vocation perhaps more than men
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women acknowledge the person because they see persons with their hearts yep they see them independently of various
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ideological or political systems they see others and their greatness and limitations they go out we try to go out
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to them and to help them yeah right that's what it is to be it's very simple right we see with the heart we desire to
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love and to help and so we go out right we go out of ourselves to them and then
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we receive that person into ourselves so that we could bring them to God right
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that's it that's exactly right and and that's why the mother of Jesus always guides the
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heart of women who who kind of wade into that spiritual motherhood because she has that one vocation of leading
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everyone to to her sign so yeah thanks Olivia and Kathleen for giving us a
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little a little time to sit at the feet in the school of Mary so very cool all
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right well if you're new to the show this is now that part of the show that we like to call the Cu Pick of the Week
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and for our first see you Pick of the Week let's say let's go to I'm gonna do it again Kathleen Olivia yeah what's
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your pick of the week actually something
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that maybe I should have done last week and for the sake of continuity but it's not st. Joseph I'm realizing and talking
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to people especially because like I feel like st. Joseph is having his day more and more for sure um I that people maybe
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want to read about st. Joseph but they're not sure what to read mm-hmm so my pick of the week is
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I guess you could call it like a homily but it's like really long I'm not sure what exactly it was originally intended
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as but it's st. Josemaria Escriva writing about st. Joseph and it's called
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it's a well it's a chapter of a book there you go so it's a chapter of a book called Christ is passing by and it's a
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chapter called in Joseph's workshop and so it's just him like thinking about the life of Jesus and Joseph together and
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what Jesus would have learned from Joseph the kind of virtuous man that Joseph was but I mean if you know Saint
1:00:04
Josemaria Escriva you know that he has such a poetic kind of way of looking at the world and so he really is describing
1:00:12
Saint Joseph has like this master of the interior life and so it's it's a spiritual reading and it's really really
1:00:18
well done very cool yeah how about you Kathleen your pick of the week okay I was in Walmart my favorite place of all
1:00:25
places like last week I came there running together because I've made several trips
1:00:30
to Walmart because I love it so much and I was looking for a cookbook a specific cookbook yeah and this caught my eye
1:00:37
this is Life magazine issue on Mary actually it's very big a reissue of a
1:00:45
classic edition but it is beautiful there's all kinds of like you know talks
1:00:51
about you know marrying traditions and Marian apparitions and there's beautiful
1:00:57
beautiful this is the back of it orally so be it was that Our Lady of fátima and
1:01:04
it's just such a great thing it's on it says display until 7:10 so you have
1:01:10
until July it'll be around yeah but this is a reissue so I'm sure that they will
1:01:16
reissue the reissue again sure it's beautiful and very very well done so I
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wait and I got I picked this as my pick a week before I even read our show notes today so thank you mama yeah there you
1:01:28
go very cool I guess it's time for my pick of the week on my pick of the week is in fact a cookbook of sorts as a kind of
1:01:36
birthday gift I guess one of my little spiritual brothers who is more like a
1:01:43
brother to me than gosh I can even say I'm talking about Taylor Vig neroli the big knurl is in Wyoming whoo gosh I'm now deeply ensconced in
1:01:51
the family I baptized one of their kids you know you know I'm one of their grandkids so so yeah that makes you part
1:01:56
of the family you know it's true anyway so Taylor got me a copy of flour water
1:02:02
salt yeast this is a fantastic book by Kim for Koosh which is a an odd last
1:02:10
name but indeed that said that's his name and it goes into kind of the science behind the baking of bread as
1:02:18
well as the different types of bread the different types of yeast all of the different kind of sub sciences and the
1:02:25
art of baking and and so I've course have been you know doing a little bit in fact I've got I've got the oven
1:02:31
preheating right now because I've got to go do one more fold of a ciabatta loaf
1:02:37
that I'm getting ready to make so so my Pick of the Week flour water salt yeast by Ken for cash I'll put that in the
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show notes for sure so that if you want to get into this this this last little
1:02:48
bit of baking before we slowly peak ourselves out of the cave yeah that's
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that's the thing yeah all right you can always let us know what your picks of the week are by going to Catholic underground calm and leaving us a little
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right Kathleen is the benefactress she's at Kayleigh six to six on Instagram if
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the air with us she's at the Dadri oMG on Instagram and on Twitter as well
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right Olivia it's true actually
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Olivia Olivia's tweets are always really interesting to read so yeah I'd
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recommend that on the Peter you're welcome Kathleen you're not on the Twitter are you no I mean I am somewhere
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alrighty so we're a little bit early and the the broadcast just dropped off at
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about 40 minutes in because you were having a good conversation and remember Satan hates show social media especially
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when it's oriented towards Catholicism and talking about the things that are true and he especially hates chatter
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about Mary so I'm so what I'm gonna do while we're still on the air here is I'm just gonna
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a little filler so you can stay right where you are and as always remain indoors so hold on just a second I'm
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gonna record that hey father Chris here
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we had a brief interruption in this quarantine edition of Catholic Underground but we now join the
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conversation on spiritual motherhood already in progress sorry about that it's the Internet's
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okay I don't know if that covers the entire time but you know it should do
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the trick yeah all right well I make a lamb for you
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all right everybody thanks for joining us in the chatroom sorry we split this into two files but you guys recovered
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very well because pretty much all of you came back into the chatroom so all right hope to see you next week if not before
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have a good evening everybody I don't know how to stop this broadcast I was
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gonna let that be my oh wait there it is good night everybody