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hello dear audience we are back with
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hello dear audience we are back with
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hello dear audience we are back with another episode of the cloud show today
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another episode of the cloud show today
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another episode of the cloud show today we're going to talk about a different
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we're going to talk about a different
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we're going to talk about a different topic uh that we haven't actually
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topic uh that we haven't actually
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topic uh that we haven't actually approached here on this show before it's
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approached here on this show before it's
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approached here on this show before it's something called resilient programming
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something called resilient programming
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something called resilient programming and the question is what the heck is
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and the question is what the heck is
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and the question is what the heck is resilient programming um joining us
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resilient programming um joining us
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resilient programming um joining us today is the star of the show is a
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today is the star of the show is a
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today is the star of the show is a person who has uh built an open source.
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person who has uh built an open source.
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person who has uh built an open source. net project or NET Framework project
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net project or NET Framework project
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net project or NET Framework project called sight uh which a s net really uh
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called sight uh which a s net really uh
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called sight uh which a s net really uh which is then designed to make it easier
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which is then designed to make it easier
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which is then designed to make it easier to implement business flows where you
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to implement business flows where you
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to implement business flows where you have multiple external Services being
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have multiple external Services being
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have multiple external Services being used at the same time uh together in
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used at the same time uh together in
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used at the same time uh together in conjunction so um let's talk to the uh
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conjunction so um let's talk to the uh
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conjunction so um let's talk to the uh star of the show today it is Thomas
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star of the show today it is Thomas
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star of the show today it is Thomas [Music]
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sest Hey Thomas hi
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sest Hey Thomas hi
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sest Hey Thomas hi welcome to the show we were just talking
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welcome to the show we were just talking
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welcome to the show we were just talking about how we are neighbors of sorts yeah
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about how we are neighbors of sorts yeah
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about how we are neighbors of sorts yeah yeah I guess in in America we will be
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yeah I guess in in America we will be
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yeah I guess in in America we will be very yeah neighbors next state Yeah
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very yeah neighbors next state Yeah
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very yeah neighbors next state Yeah country though yeah you're in Denmark
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country though yeah you're in Denmark
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country though yeah you're in Denmark and I'm in in Sweden so um tell tell us
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and I'm in in Sweden so um tell tell us
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and I'm in in Sweden so um tell tell us a little bit about yourself what do you
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a little bit about yourself what do you
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a little bit about yourself what do you do and and uh how come you're doing open
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do and and uh how come you're doing open
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do and and uh how come you're doing open source and stuff yeah sure yeah um good
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source and stuff yeah sure yeah um good
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source and stuff yeah sure yeah um good question so I'm uh back in software
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question so I'm uh back in software
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question so I'm uh back in software developer I have like I guess 12 years
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developer I have like I guess 12 years
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developer I have like I guess 12 years of experience now since I finished
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of experience now since I finished
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of experience now since I finished University um and I work for like
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University um and I work for like
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University um and I work for like different banks and different big
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different banks and different big
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different banks and different big companies
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companies
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companies um when I was in at Dana Bank um which
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um when I was in at Dana Bank um which
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um when I was in at Dana Bank um which is the biggest bank in Denmark uh we did
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is the biggest bank in Denmark uh we did
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is the biggest bank in Denmark uh we did like um some event sourcing framework
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like um some event sourcing framework
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like um some event sourcing framework and everything and uh as part of that uh
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and everything and uh as part of that uh
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and everything and uh as part of that uh I was um I started thinking about like
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I was um I started thinking about like
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I was um I started thinking about like distributed systems and I wanted to go
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distributed systems and I wanted to go
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distributed systems and I wanted to go back and study um so actually I
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back and study um so actually I
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back and study um so actually I approached um the univiversity in St in
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approached um the univiversity in St in
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approached um the univiversity in St in Norway where they have like um yeah a
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Norway where they have like um yeah a
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Norway where they have like um yeah a team I guess where they focus on on
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team I guess where they focus on on
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team I guess where they focus on on distributed systems right and that was
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distributed systems right and that was
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distributed systems right and that was kind of like the the way that I got into
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kind of like the the way that I got into
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kind of like the the way that I got into this space really because part of what I
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this space really because part of what I
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this space really because part of what I was trying to do was to yeah so you have
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was trying to do was to yeah so you have
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was trying to do was to yeah so you have um raft and P with our famous algorithms
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um raft and P with our famous algorithms
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um raft and P with our famous algorithms and kind of like you have them in eccd
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and kind of like you have them in eccd
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and kind of like you have them in eccd it's based on raft and so you have these
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it's based on raft and so you have these
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it's based on raft and so you have these kind of like very fundamental
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kind of like very fundamental
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kind of like very fundamental uh distributed system algorithms and uh
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uh distributed system algorithms and uh
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uh distributed system algorithms and uh and I was trying to basically to
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and I was trying to basically to
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and I was trying to basically to simplify the way that you would
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simplify the way that you would
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simplify the way that you would Implement these things um because one of
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Implement these things um because one of
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Implement these things um because one of the things that is a bit difficult with
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the things that is a bit difficult with
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the things that is a bit difficult with them is that you get messages you have
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them is that you get messages you have
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them is that you get messages you have to wait for like X number of messages
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to wait for like X number of messages
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to wait for like X number of messages before you continue and uh if you have
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before you continue and uh if you have
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before you continue and uh if you have like a Crest doing that uh okay you
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like a Crest doing that uh okay you
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like a Crest doing that uh okay you could say run that then then that poses
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could say run that then then that poses
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could say run that then then that poses all kind of problems so right so that
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all kind of problems so right so that
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all kind of problems so right so that was kind of like good yeah sirry yeah so
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was kind of like good yeah sirry yeah so
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was kind of like good yeah sirry yeah so that's that's what we were do doing uh
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that's that's what we were do doing uh
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that's that's what we were do doing uh with that let's let's pull it back just
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with that let's let's pull it back just
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with that let's let's pull it back just a little bit just to to put it in a a a
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a little bit just to to put it in a a a
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a little bit just to to put it in a a a business context to to figure out first
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business context to to figure out first
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business context to to figure out first for the audience what what kind of a
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for the audience what what kind of a
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for the audience what what kind of a problem is that that that we are trying
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problem is that that that we are trying
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problem is that that that we are trying to solve here um we have we have
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to solve here um we have we have
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to solve here um we have we have something called resilient programming
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something called resilient programming
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something called resilient programming and we we need to implement our business
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and we we need to implement our business
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and we we need to implement our business flows using multiple Services what's
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flows using multiple Services what's
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flows using multiple Services what's this about yeah yeah it's a good
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this about yeah yeah it's a good
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this about yeah yeah it's a good question yeah so so all this like very
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question yeah so so all this like very
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question yeah so so all this like very theoretical stuff is actually also I
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theoretical stuff is actually also I
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theoretical stuff is actually also I realized after um doing my studies that
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realized after um doing my studies that
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realized after um doing my studies that it actually makes sense in a different
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it actually makes sense in a different
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it actually makes sense in a different space which is like um yeah Microsoft
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space which is like um yeah Microsoft
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space which is like um yeah Microsoft architectures and Enterprise
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architectures and Enterprise
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architectures and Enterprise architectures in general because when
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architectures in general because when
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architectures in general because when you have like a business flow that
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you have like a business flow that
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you have like a business flow that communicates with other external systems
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communicates with other external systems
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communicates with other external systems which is basically almost any flow these
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which is basically almost any flow these
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which is basically almost any flow these days right even a database you could say
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days right even a database you could say
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days right even a database you could say it's an external system right and you
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it's an external system right and you
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it's an external system right and you have to take care of the situations uh
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have to take care of the situations uh
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have to take care of the situations uh what happens if the system crashes while
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what happens if the system crashes while
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what happens if the system crashes while executing these things yeah and and and
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executing these things yeah and and and
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executing these things yeah and and and today actually we also have another like
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today actually we also have another like
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today actually we also have another like Avenue where we also see this problem
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Avenue where we also see this problem
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Avenue where we also see this problem and that is when we have like
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and that is when we have like
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and that is when we have like um releases right deployments of our
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um releases right deployments of our
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um releases right deployments of our software with new code that we're
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software with new code that we're
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software with new code that we're actually inducing crashes I guess you
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actually inducing crashes I guess you
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actually inducing crashes I guess you could say ourselves right because we are
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could say ourselves right because we are
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could say ourselves right because we are we're flipping the rolling releases
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we're flipping the rolling releases
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we're flipping the rolling releases right so we we are we restarting our
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right so we we are we restarting our
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right so we we are we restarting our services and we can't just wait
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services and we can't just wait
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services and we can't just wait arbitrarily long
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arbitrarily long
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arbitrarily long so then a fair point yeah yeah so kind
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so then a fair point yeah yeah so kind
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so then a fair point yeah yeah so kind of like what it's trying to solve is how
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of like what it's trying to solve is how
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of like what it's trying to solve is how do we actually go about uh ensuring that
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do we actually go about uh ensuring that
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do we actually go about uh ensuring that when a system restarts after it's
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when a system restarts after it's
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when a system restarts after it's halfway through whatever flow it's doing
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halfway through whatever flow it's doing
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halfway through whatever flow it's doing how can it pick up from that point and
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how can it pick up from that point and
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how can it pick up from that point and continue where it was before yeah yeah
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continue where it was before yeah yeah
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continue where it was before yeah yeah yeah where it was before and that's
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yeah where it was before and that's
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yeah where it was before and that's actually not that easy um there there's
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actually not that easy um there there's
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actually not that easy um there there's different examples but I guess if you
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different examples but I guess if you
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different examples but I guess if you just like imagine an auto flow where the
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just like imagine an auto flow where the
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just like imagine an auto flow where the first thing it does is kind of like it
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first thing it does is kind of like it
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first thing it does is kind of like it generates a random um transaction ID
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generates a random um transaction ID
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generates a random um transaction ID right let's say that it should talk to
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right let's say that it should talk to
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right let's say that it should talk to strive and generates the random
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strive and generates the random
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strive and generates the random transaction ID and then it reserves the
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transaction ID and then it reserves the
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transaction ID and then it reserves the funds and it ships the products and then
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funds and it ships the products and then
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funds and it ships the products and then it crashes before it actually is able to
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it crashes before it actually is able to
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it crashes before it actually is able to capture the funds you just restart the
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capture the funds you just restart the
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capture the funds you just restart the flow from the top again then the flow
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flow from the top again then the flow
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flow from the top again then the flow will generate a new good a new
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will generate a new good a new
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will generate a new good a new transaction and then you actually have
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transaction and then you actually have
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transaction and then you actually have that it's diverging into a different
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that it's diverging into a different
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that it's diverging into a different state that's right that's right so what
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state that's right that's right so what
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state that's right that's right so what you want to be able to do is is is um um
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you want to be able to do is is is um um
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you want to be able to do is is is um um replay and and and and kind of pick up
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replay and and and and kind of pick up
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replay and and and and kind of pick up where you left off or where you were
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where you left off or where you were
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where you left off or where you were interrupted so rudely right it could
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interrupted so rudely right it could
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interrupted so rudely right it could literally be uh an update to A system
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literally be uh an update to A system
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literally be uh an update to A system that is is part of this flow where you
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that is is part of this flow where you
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that is is part of this flow where you are currently rolling out an update to
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are currently rolling out an update to
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are currently rolling out an update to that system and now everything else that
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that system and now everything else that
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that system and now everything else that wants to use that system needs to wait
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wants to use that system needs to wait
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wants to use that system needs to wait for a bit it's not going to work until
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for a bit it's not going to work until
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for a bit it's not going to work until this come back comes back on again and
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this come back comes back on again and
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this come back comes back on again and and and easy as it sounds you know
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and and easy as it sounds you know
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and and easy as it sounds you know theoretically to to tear you know to
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theoretically to to tear you know to
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theoretically to to tear you know to break down a system into lots of
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break down a system into lots of
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break down a system into lots of different
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different
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different microservices you get this you get this
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microservices you get this you get this
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microservices you get this you get this Tango problem everybody needs to dance
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Tango problem everybody needs to dance
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Tango problem everybody needs to dance right yeah yeah exactly that's very Co
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right yeah yeah exactly that's very Co
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right yeah yeah exactly that's very Co yeah so so it's simple yeah to to break
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yeah so so it's simple yeah to to break
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yeah so so it's simple yeah to to break up into microservice but you introduce a
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up into microservice but you introduce a
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up into microservice but you introduce a lot of different issues that I can see
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lot of different issues that I can see
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lot of different issues that I can see that okay so that's brilliant so so you
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that okay so that's brilliant so so you
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that okay so that's brilliant so so you have been then coding on a uh on an open
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have been then coding on a uh on an open
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have been then coding on a uh on an open source project of your own called sler
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source project of your own called sler
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source project of your own called sler which which then is a framework that can
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which which then is a framework that can
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which which then is a framework that can can do these things it can it can model
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can do these things it can it can model
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can do these things it can it can model business flows um yeah yeah so so what
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business flows um yeah yeah so so what
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business flows um yeah yeah so so what it tries to do there different
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it tries to do there different
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it tries to do there different approaches also in the cloud space I
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approaches also in the cloud space I
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approaches also in the cloud space I think AWS has like is itl definition you
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think AWS has like is itl definition you
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think AWS has like is itl definition you can do like workflows using yeah um but
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can do like workflows using yeah um but
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can do like workflows using yeah um but but a different approach is is that you
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but a different approach is is that you
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but a different approach is is that you try to allow the the developer to use
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try to allow the the developer to use
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try to allow the the developer to use code like ordinary code and then you you
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code like ordinary code and then you you
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code like ordinary code and then you you you do some different uh calls or or
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you do some different uh calls or or
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you do some different uh calls or or wrap the code in a certain way uh that
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wrap the code in a certain way uh that
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wrap the code in a certain way uh that allows this replay to to be able to to
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allows this replay to to be able to to
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allows this replay to to be able to to to happen after a crash but the code is
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to happen after a crash but the code is
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to happen after a crash but the code is very much normal code right so it's it's
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very much normal code right so it's it's
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very much normal code right so it's it's not like yeah um so it's not like a yl
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not like yeah um so it's not like a yl
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not like yeah um so it's not like a yl file or something completely different
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file or something completely different
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file or something completely different it's it's what the developers already
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it's it's what the developers already
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it's it's what the developers already used to right and that's a good point
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used to right and that's a good point
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used to right and that's a good point because if you have this um workflow
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because if you have this um workflow
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because if you have this um workflow language which is a completely separate
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language which is a completely separate
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language which is a completely separate thing then you have to know two things
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thing then you have to know two things
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thing then you have to know two things and you have to maintain two things yeah
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and you have to maintain two things yeah
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and you have to maintain two things yeah but if you can express your your
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but if you can express your your
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but if you can express your your workflow in code then you are on home
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workflow in code then you are on home
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workflow in code then you are on home field because you already do code every
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field because you already do code every
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field because you already do code every day yeah yeah exactly yeah and you can
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day yeah yeah exactly yeah and you can
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day yeah yeah exactly yeah and you can do integration test unit test all all
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do integration test unit test all all
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do integration test unit test all all these things so you get all all the nice
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these things so you get all all the nice
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these things so you get all all the nice things that that you already have yeah
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things that that you already have yeah
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things that that you already have yeah when you code anyway uh and yeah so yeah
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when you code anyway uh and yeah so yeah
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when you code anyway uh and yeah so yeah so so
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so so
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so so that's yeah so that's really what it's
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that's yeah so that's really what it's
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that's yeah so that's really what it's about then then I'm also trying a bit
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about then then I'm also trying a bit
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about then then I'm also trying a bit to not just to copy what I guess some of
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to not just to copy what I guess some of
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to not just to copy what I guess some of the other Alternatives that are like a
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the other Alternatives that are like a
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the other Alternatives that are like a doable functions and and Dapper and and
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doable functions and and Dapper and and
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doable functions and and Dapper and and also temporal uh I'm trying to to make
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also temporal uh I'm trying to to make
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also temporal uh I'm trying to to make it simpler so simpler developer
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it simpler so simpler developer
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it simpler so simpler developer experience um and also there's uh as as
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experience um and also there's uh as as
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experience um and also there's uh as as far as I know at least these Frameworks
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far as I know at least these Frameworks
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far as I know at least these Frameworks do not handle like receiving lots of
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do not handle like receiving lots of
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do not handle like receiving lots of different messages so a lot of the times
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different messages so a lot of the times
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different messages so a lot of the times in Microsoft ACC just um you have a
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in Microsoft ACC just um you have a
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in Microsoft ACC just um you have a situation where you want to wait for X
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situation where you want to wait for X
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situation where you want to wait for X number of messages or you have a flow
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number of messages or you have a flow
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number of messages or you have a flow and you have messages coming in from a
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and you have messages coming in from a
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and you have messages coming in from a message
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message
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message bus and that's also something that that
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bus and that's also something that that
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bus and that's also something that that is similar to link really you can write
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is similar to link really you can write
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is similar to link really you can write kind of like I want to wait for these
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kind of like I want to wait for these
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kind of like I want to wait for these messages and then I want to do something
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messages and then I want to do something
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messages and then I want to do something and that's also you're also able to
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and that's also you're also able to
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and that's also you're also able to write that in a way that if you Cress
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write that in a way that if you Cress
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write that in a way that if you Cress and then restart you you can still
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and then restart you you can still
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and then restart you you can still continue from the point where you got to
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continue from the point where you got to
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continue from the point where you got to that's kind
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that's kind
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that's kind of yeah so how does this how does this
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of yeah so how does this how does this
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of yeah so how does this how does this thing then I mean what happens if you
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thing then I mean what happens if you
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thing then I mean what happens if you are halfway through then you have some
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are halfway through then you have some
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are halfway through then you have some some State and some data that you need
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some State and some data that you need
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some State and some data that you need to remember somehow and then pick up and
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to remember somehow and then pick up and
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to remember somehow and then pick up and continue how how does it handle this
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continue how how does it handle this
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continue how how does it handle this yeah so so all of these Frameworks they
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yeah so so all of these Frameworks they
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yeah so so all of these Frameworks they have like a persistence layer uh and and
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have like a persistence layer uh and and
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have like a persistence layer uh and and slide you can use uh the different SQL
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slide you can use uh the different SQL
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slide you can use uh the different SQL servers so you have postgress and SQL
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servers so you have postgress and SQL
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servers so you have postgress and SQL server and also my it can be other
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server and also my it can be other
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server and also my it can be other things as well it doesn't have to be a
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things as well it doesn't have to be a
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things as well it doesn't have to be a relational Bas but I guess they're the
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relational Bas but I guess they're the
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relational Bas but I guess they're the most common ones um so so basically as
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most common ones um so so basically as
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most common ones um so so basically as you go along doing your your your flow
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you go along doing your your your flow
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you go along doing your your your flow the framework uh writes the different
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the framework uh writes the different
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the framework uh writes the different state changes or what happens to the
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state changes or what happens to the
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state changes or what happens to the database and then if it crashes and it
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database and then if it crashes and it
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database and then if it crashes and it starts up again it just loads all of
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starts up again it just loads all of
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starts up again it just loads all of these different actions or side effects
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these different actions or side effects
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these different actions or side effects that happens previously it just goes
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that happens previously it just goes
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that happens previously it just goes okay I'm back okay where was I exactly
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okay I'm back okay where was I exactly
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okay I'm back okay where was I exactly yeah what happened what happened okay
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yeah what happened what happened okay
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yeah what happened what happened okay I'm back all right that's cool and so so
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I'm back all right that's cool and so so
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I'm back all right that's cool and so so essentially you're what you're saying is
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essentially you're what you're saying is
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essentially you're what you're saying is that to run this thing and and let let's
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that to run this thing and and let let's
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that to run this thing and and let let's talk a little bit about that you need
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talk a little bit about that you need
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talk a little bit about that you need you need to have a database somewhere in
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you need to have a database somewhere in
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you need to have a database somewhere in the background and the framework is
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the background and the framework is
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the background and the framework is talking to the database the the the
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talking to the database the the the
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talking to the database the the the developer is not using they're they just
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developer is not using they're they just
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developer is not using they're they just have a database but the developer is
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have a database but the developer is
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have a database but the developer is expressing things which are then
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expressing things which are then
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expressing things which are then persisted the the the the progress steps
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persisted the the the the progress steps
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persisted the the the the progress steps are then persisted automatically on the
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are then persisted automatically on the
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are then persisted automatically on the back end um all right cool very cool so
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back end um all right cool very cool so
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back end um all right cool very cool so how does how does a developer uh get
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how does how does a developer uh get
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how does how does a developer uh get into using this how do how do they start
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into using this how do how do they start
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into using this how do how do they start uh if they wanted to use S and and like
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uh if they wanted to use S and and like
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uh if they wanted to use S and and like what how does it how does s run where
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what how does it how does s run where
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what how does it how does s run where and how does it run yeah yeah good
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and how does it run yeah yeah good
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and how does it run yeah yeah good question so you can just visit the
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question so you can just visit the
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question so you can just visit the address s.net that will redirect to the
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address s.net that will redirect to the
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address s.net that will redirect to the GitHub page uh which has a lot of
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GitHub page uh which has a lot of
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GitHub page uh which has a lot of documentations about how to get started
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documentations about how to get started
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documentations about how to get started but the idea basically is is that it
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but the idea basically is is that it
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but the idea basically is is that it should be as simple as possible so you
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should be as simple as possible so you
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should be as simple as possible so you just download a n package and then you
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just download a n package and then you
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just download a n package and then you can do a bit of setup in the program CS
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can do a bit of setup in the program CS
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can do a bit of setup in the program CS and and then you're then you're up and
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and and then you're then you're up and
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and and then you're then you're up and running then you then you define these
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running then you then you define these
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running then you then you define these different flows uh just by inheriting
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different flows uh just by inheriting
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different flows uh just by inheriting from a base class and then you're ready
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from a base class and then you're ready
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from a base class and then you're ready to go that will kind of like give you
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to go that will kind of like give you
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to go that will kind of like give you the different abstractions or tools that
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the different abstractions or tools that
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the different abstractions or tools that the developer needs to actually start
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the developer needs to actually start
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the developer needs to actually start using the framework that's really cool
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using the framework that's really cool
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using the framework that's really cool so you wanted it to be really simple
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so you wanted it to be really simple
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so you wanted it to be really simple then so for those of us who are
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then so for those of us who are
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then so for those of us who are developers here they understood what you
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developers here they understood what you
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developers here they understood what you just said and I I I get what you're
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just said and I I I get what you're
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just said and I I I get what you're talking about I love how how easy it
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talking about I love how how easy it
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talking about I love how how easy it sounds to use really uh just uh
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sounds to use really uh just uh
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sounds to use really uh just uh essentially just point to the the
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essentially just point to the the
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essentially just point to the the reference the package get it downloaded
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reference the package get it downloaded
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reference the package get it downloaded um and and inherit the base class and
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um and and inherit the base class and
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um and and inherit the base class and and doing some configuration and you're
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and doing some configuration and you're
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and doing some configuration and you're Off to the Races yeah exactly yeah that
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Off to the Races yeah exactly yeah that
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Off to the Races yeah exactly yeah that that's all the idea was that it was kind
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that's all the idea was that it was kind
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that's all the idea was that it was kind of like meant to work very seiously in
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of like meant to work very seiously in
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of like meant to work very seiously in in like microservice architectures so so
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in like microservice architectures so so
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in like microservice architectures so so you can just have your microservice uh
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you can just have your microservice uh
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you can just have your microservice uh and you can add this this framework to
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and you can add this this framework to
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and you can add this this framework to the to the um uh yeah to to your micros
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the to the um uh yeah to to your micros
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the to the um uh yeah to to your micros service and then then it will just scale
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service and then then it will just scale
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service and then then it will just scale behind the scenes which with so it
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behind the scenes which with so it
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behind the scenes which with so it doesn't matter if you have if you
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doesn't matter if you have if you
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doesn't matter if you have if you replicate from 3 to 5 to seven or I mean
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replicate from 3 to 5 to seven or I mean
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replicate from 3 to 5 to seven or I mean the framework and behind will just also
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the framework and behind will just also
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the framework and behind will just also scale in the same way so
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scale in the same way so
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scale in the same way so fascinating yeah and so you you just um
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fascinating yeah and so you you just um
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fascinating yeah and so you you just um then you you just had this idea based on
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then you you just had this idea based on
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then you you just had this idea based on on what you were uh experiencing then
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on what you were uh experiencing then
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on what you were uh experiencing then when you were working with with
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when you were working with with
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when you were working with with customers uh I guess yeah yeah so so it
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customers uh I guess yeah yeah so so it
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customers uh I guess yeah yeah so so it it came from from uh the I I guess my
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it came from from uh the I I guess my
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it came from from uh the I I guess my time at the University where I was able
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time at the University where I was able
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time at the University where I was able to see okay actually we can make these
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to see okay actually we can make these
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to see okay actually we can make these complicated algorithms simpler but then
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complicated algorithms simpler but then
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complicated algorithms simpler but then when I when I finished that and got back
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when I when I finished that and got back
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when I when I finished that and got back into industry I also worked for another
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into industry I also worked for another
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into industry I also worked for another bank at that point I could see that that
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bank at that point I could see that that
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bank at that point I could see that that there was a lot of like you talk about
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there was a lot of like you talk about
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there was a lot of like you talk about sagas and stuff you have these
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sagas and stuff you have these
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sagas and stuff you have these distributed or this patterns in in in
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distributed or this patterns in in in
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distributed or this patterns in in in distributed systems and and and the
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distributed systems and and and the
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distributed systems and and and the developer experience when actually
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developer experience when actually
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developer experience when actually writing these sagas or workflows uh was
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writing these sagas or workflows uh was
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writing these sagas or workflows uh was not very pleasant it was it was very far
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not very pleasant it was it was very far
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not very pleasant it was it was very far from from from what you would write a
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from from from what you would write a
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from from from what you would write a normal code um right and and that kind
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normal code um right and and that kind
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normal code um right and and that kind of like got me thinking that I could
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of like got me thinking that I could
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of like got me thinking that I could take the ideas from from my studies and
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take the ideas from from my studies and
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take the ideas from from my studies and then actually apply them into this space
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then actually apply them into this space
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then actually apply them into this space instead um so yeah that's so how are you
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instead um so yeah that's so how are you
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instead um so yeah that's so how are you using it yourself today are you do you
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using it yourself today are you do you
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using it yourself today are you do you have any well you don't have to tell
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have any well you don't have to tell
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have any well you don't have to tell tell me exactly which projects but do
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tell me exactly which projects but do
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tell me exactly which projects but do you have any interesting projects that
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you have any interesting projects that
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you have any interesting projects that are using this now um so I'm I'm still
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are using this now um so I'm I'm still
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are using this now um so I'm I'm still I'm still I mean actually that could be
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I'm still I mean actually that could be
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I'm still I mean actually that could be another talk talking about how it's hard
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another talk talking about how it's hard
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another talk talking about how it's hard to get Open sauce you have a bit of a
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to get Open sauce you have a bit of a
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to get Open sauce you have a bit of a chick in an neck problem um definitely
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chick in an neck problem um definitely
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chick in an neck problem um definitely yeah I mean I've presented quite a few
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yeah I mean I've presented quite a few
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yeah I mean I've presented quite a few times and people really like it um so so
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times and people really like it um so so
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times and people really like it um so so that's good I think it's a bit difficult
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that's good I think it's a bit difficult
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that's good I think it's a bit difficult I guess in your workplace to kind of
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I guess in your workplace to kind of
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I guess in your workplace to kind of like take these things and they they're
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like take these things and they they're
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like take these things and they they're interested but I think it will still be
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interested but I think it will still be
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interested but I think it will still be maybe half a year before they will get
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maybe half a year before they will get
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maybe half a year before they will get get ready to to use it it's a scaling
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get ready to to use it it's a scaling
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get ready to to use it it's a scaling thing then so so uh just like if if you
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thing then so so uh just like if if you
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thing then so so uh just like if if you don't have any projects running then you
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don't have any projects running then you
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don't have any projects running then you will never have any projects running it
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will never have any projects running it
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will never have any projects running it I I I shouldn't say never that sounds
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I I I shouldn't say never that sounds
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I I I shouldn't say never that sounds that sounds
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that sounds
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that sounds hard basically not I'm not saying you
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hard basically not I'm not saying you
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hard basically not I'm not saying you heard it here first because I did look
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heard it here first because I did look
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heard it here first because I did look at look up a video uh where you
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at look up a video uh where you
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at look up a video uh where you presented this already with with the
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presented this already with with the
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presented this already with with the Microsoft guy with the yeah and then I
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Microsoft guy with the yeah and then I
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Microsoft guy with the yeah and then I and then I also um I did take a look at
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and then I also um I did take a look at
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and then I also um I did take a look at the code a little bit and and I would I
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the code a little bit and and I would I
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the code a little bit and and I would I would definitely agree that this is cool
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would definitely agree that this is cool
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would definitely agree that this is cool and it seems I haven't really gotten
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and it seems I haven't really gotten
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and it seems I haven't really gotten down to to code anything with it but I
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down to to code anything with it but I
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down to to code anything with it but I could completely follow along and it was
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could completely follow along and it was
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could completely follow along and it was n difficult it was intuitive so I hope
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n difficult it was intuitive so I hope
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n difficult it was intuitive so I hope that you will have you know good
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that you will have you know good
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that you will have you know good fortunes with this no thank
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fortunes with this no thank
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fortunes with this no thank you thank you I think I I think the
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you thank you I think I I think the
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you thank you I think I I think the point at least for people seeing it if
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point at least for people seeing it if
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point at least for people seeing it if if they're interested I mean do reach
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if they're interested I mean do reach
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if they're interested I mean do reach out or I guess otherwise it's always
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out or I guess otherwise it's always
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out or I guess otherwise it's always nice if you have kind of like just a
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nice if you have kind of like just a
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nice if you have kind of like just a simple you don't have to do a big bang
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simple you don't have to do a big bang
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simple you don't have to do a big bang and and everything runs on this but you
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and and everything runs on this but you
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and and everything runs on this but you could just have like a scenario where
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could just have like a scenario where
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could just have like a scenario where you say okay let's have a look how does
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you say okay let's have a look how does
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you say okay let's have a look how does it work I mean I've that's a lot of test
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it work I mean I've that's a lot of test
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it work I mean I've that's a lot of test and I've work worked on it for yeah I
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and I've work worked on it for yeah I
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and I've work worked on it for yeah I guess three years now so wow it should
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guess three years now so wow it should
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guess three years now so wow it should be it should be in a pretty good state
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be it should be in a pretty good state
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be it should be in a pretty good state but yeah there you go so if you want to
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but yeah there you go so if you want to
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but yeah there you go so if you want to help out with this very interesting
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help out with this very interesting
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help out with this very interesting topic or or project open source project
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topic or or project open source project
15:11
topic or or project open source project you should contact Thomas and and offer
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you should contact Thomas and and offer
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you should contact Thomas and and offer to help definitely yeah any any help and
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to help definitely yeah any any help and
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to help definitely yeah any any help and any feedback would be really appreciated
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any feedback would be really appreciated
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any feedback would be really appreciated yeah definitely fantastic well I have to
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yeah definitely fantastic well I have to
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yeah definitely fantastic well I have to tell you that I love this kind of
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tell you that I love this kind of
15:25
tell you that I love this kind of geekery just to get down to to it and
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geekery just to get down to to it and
15:27
geekery just to get down to to it and talk we didn't show here today of course
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talk we didn't show here today of course
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talk we didn't show here today of course it's not really the purpose of this show
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it's not really the purpose of this show
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it's not really the purpose of this show but we did get to talk about how it
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but we did get to talk about how it
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but we did get to talk about how it works and how it how it ticks and why it
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works and how it how it ticks and why it
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works and how it how it ticks and why it exists and all these interesting things
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exists and all these interesting things
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exists and all these interesting things and I I think that's uh plenty
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and I I think that's uh plenty
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and I I think that's uh plenty fascinating and I I love this kind of
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fascinating and I I love this kind of
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fascinating and I I love this kind of geekery so that's good I really want to
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geekery so that's good I really want to
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geekery so that's good I really want to thank you for being on the show today it
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thank you for being on the show today it
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thank you for being on the show today it was it was a pleasure to have you and uh
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was it was a pleasure to have you and uh
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was it was a pleasure to have you and uh and I wish you the best of luck with
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and I wish you the best of luck with
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and I wish you the best of luck with sner and uh you know your open source
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sner and uh you know your open source
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sner and uh you know your open source project go for it thank you Mar yeah
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project go for it thank you Mar yeah
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project go for it thank you Mar yeah thank you for having me really
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thank you for having me really
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thank you for having me really absolutely was my pleasure have a great
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absolutely was my pleasure have a great
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absolutely was my pleasure have a great day and audience see you next time on
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