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hello everyone and welcome back to the
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hello everyone and welcome back to the
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hello everyone and welcome back to the cloud show I have the privilege and
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cloud show I have the privilege and
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cloud show I have the privilege and pleasure of talking to a good friend
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pleasure of talking to a good friend
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pleasure of talking to a good friend today on the show and he's been on a bit
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today on the show and he's been on a bit
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today on the show and he's been on a bit of a transformational journey if you
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of a transformational journey if you
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of a transformational journey if you will he says to me like I'm I'm really
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will he says to me like I'm I'm really
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will he says to me like I'm I'm really happy to help to make an impact on this
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happy to help to make an impact on this
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happy to help to make an impact on this world and and how Corporate operates in
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world and and how Corporate operates in
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world and and how Corporate operates in general how that works and he's been on
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general how that works and he's been on
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general how that works and he's been on this journey from being more of a
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this journey from being more of a
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this journey from being more of a technical person to being more of a
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technical person to being more of a
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technical person to being more of a business leader so today on the cloud
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business leader so today on the cloud
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business leader so today on the cloud show we're going to talk to jit Chopra
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show we're going to talk to jit Chopra
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show we're going to talk to jit Chopra he is the CEO of pentara
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he is the CEO of pentara
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he is the CEO of pentara [Music]
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Technologies hello my friend hello hello
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Technologies hello my friend hello hello
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Technologies hello my friend hello hello it is good to see you same here Magnus
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it is good to see you same here Magnus
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it is good to see you same here Magnus it's been a while it's been a while
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it's been a while it's been a while
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it's been a while it's been a while definitely yeah but we we usually hang
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definitely yeah but we we usually hang
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definitely yeah but we we usually hang out at things like uh like the MVP
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out at things like uh like the MVP
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out at things like uh like the MVP Summit or or different conferences yep
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Summit or or different conferences yep
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Summit or or different conferences yep absolutely yeah we do all right so but
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absolutely yeah we do all right so but
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absolutely yeah we do all right so but you're tell us tell the audience where
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you're tell us tell the audience where
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you're tell us tell the audience where are you bed out of so it's a very small
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are you bed out of so it's a very small
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are you bed out of so it's a very small city called moali uh those who play
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city called moali uh those who play
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city called moali uh those who play cricket or follow Cricket they know we
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cricket or follow Cricket they know we
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cricket or follow Cricket they know we have a big Stadium here so uh anybody in
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have a big Stadium here so uh anybody in
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have a big Stadium here so uh anybody in the world of cricket knows where mahali
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the world of cricket knows where mahali
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the world of cricket knows where mahali is but in general it's five hours north
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is but in general it's five hours north
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is but in general it's five hours north of New Delhi and it's right on the
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of New Delhi and it's right on the
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of New Delhi and it's right on the foothills of Himalayas a one hour drive
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foothills of Himalayas a one hour drive
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foothills of Himalayas a one hour drive into the mountains it's pretty good uh
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into the mountains it's pretty good uh
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into the mountains it's pretty good uh provided the roads and the weather is
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provided the roads and the weather is
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provided the roads and the weather is good you you get a good drive up there
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good you you get a good drive up there
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good you you get a good drive up there in an hour this is one part of I'm going
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in an hour this is one part of I'm going
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in an hour this is one part of I'm going to have to come visit now because this
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to have to come visit now because this
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to have to come visit now because this is one part of India that I haven't
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is one part of India that I haven't
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is one part of India that I haven't really been I want to see the foot hills
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really been I want to see the foot hills
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really been I want to see the foot hills of the mountain and that sort of stuff I
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of the mountain and that sort of stuff I
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of the mountain and that sort of stuff I haven't seen yeah we have the shivalik
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haven't seen yeah we have the shivalik
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haven't seen yeah we have the shivalik Hills right next to us so very nice
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Hills right next to us so very nice
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Hills right next to us so very nice lovely Okay cool so there you are as the
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lovely Okay cool so there you are as the
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lovely Okay cool so there you are as the CEO of your own company right panthy
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CEO of your own company right panthy
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CEO of your own company right panthy techology correct yes uh it was an
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techology correct yes uh it was an
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techology correct yes uh it was an accident in making in general I never
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accident in making in general I never
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accident in making in general I never wanted to stand up a company uh but yeah
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wanted to stand up a company uh but yeah
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wanted to stand up a company uh but yeah um as life would have it you you used
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um as life would have it you you used
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um as life would have it you you used sometimes end up where you're meant to
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sometimes end up where you're meant to
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sometimes end up where you're meant to be not where it's supposed to be or you
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be not where it's supposed to be or you
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be not where it's supposed to be or you want to be so uh yeah that's that's how
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want to be so uh yeah that's that's how
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want to be so uh yeah that's that's how my journey has been so far uh but yeah
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my journey has been so far uh but yeah
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my journey has been so far uh but yeah in general um about me um it's been I
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in general um about me um it's been I
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in general um about me um it's been I was born and brought up in Agra you
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was born and brought up in Agra you
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was born and brought up in Agra you you've been to tajal a couple of times
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you've been to tajal a couple of times
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you've been to tajal a couple of times right I know so yeah I'm um it was a
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right I know so yeah I'm um it was a
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right I know so yeah I'm um it was a very small town and my family and their
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very small town and my family and their
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very small town and my family and their family and their relatives and you know
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family and their relatives and you know
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family and their relatives and you know everybody around me was surrounded with
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everybody around me was surrounded with
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everybody around me was surrounded with business right business families and
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business right business families and
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business right business families and it's uh very hard for anyone to break
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it's uh very hard for anyone to break
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it's uh very hard for anyone to break out of that Circle in general and get
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out of that Circle in general and get
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out of that Circle in general and get into the service industry because right
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into the service industry because right
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into the service industry because right people usually just follow the Su
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people usually just follow the Su
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people usually just follow the Su succession in their parents right okay
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succession in their parents right okay
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succession in their parents right okay your parent your father was a
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your parent your father was a
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your parent your father was a businessman your grandfather was a
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businessman your grandfather was a
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businessman your grandfather was a businessman you just take the charge and
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businessman you just take the charge and
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businessman you just take the charge and and continue that that line in general
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and continue that that line in general
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and continue that that line in general right so uh till seventh grade wanted to
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right so uh till seventh grade wanted to
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right so uh till seventh grade wanted to be a doctor and then yeah I loved
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be a doctor and then yeah I loved
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be a doctor and then yeah I loved biology biology was my favorite subject
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biology biology was my favorite subject
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biology biology was my favorite subject you
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you
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you know and uh mathematics was second but
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know and uh mathematics was second but
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know and uh mathematics was second but then my dad got me a computer in seventh
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then my dad got me a computer in seventh
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then my dad got me a computer in seventh grade it was an 80386 processor okay
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grade it was an 80386 processor okay
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grade it was an 80386 processor okay yeah it was an assembled PC it was not
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yeah it was an assembled PC it was not
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yeah it was an assembled PC it was not it was not some branded chip that was
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it was not some branded chip that was
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it was not some branded chip that was very expensive those days and um he
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very expensive those days and um he
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very expensive those days and um he actually bought it for his business and
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actually bought it for his business and
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actually bought it for his business and he couldn't use it so instead of
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he couldn't use it so instead of
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he couldn't use it so instead of throwing it away he's like oh I'll make
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throwing it away he's like oh I'll make
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throwing it away he's like oh I'll make an investment in my son give it to him
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an investment in my son give it to him
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an investment in my son give it to him and see where he leads you know
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and see where he leads you know
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and see where he leads you know go little he know right little yes
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go little he know right little yes
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go little he know right little yes exactly where he's just sending me on a
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exactly where he's just sending me on a
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exactly where he's just sending me on a very different trajectory right then it
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very different trajectory right then it
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very different trajectory right then it had like 4 MV hard drive and a 256 KB
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had like 4 MV hard drive and a 256 KB
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had like 4 MV hard drive and a 256 KB Ram that's what it had yes we we deal in
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Ram that's what it had yes we we deal in
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Ram that's what it had yes we we deal in terabytes today and uh you know uh and
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terabytes today and uh you know uh and
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terabytes today and uh you know uh and and the funny part is my uncle who set
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and the funny part is my uncle who set
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and the funny part is my uncle who set that up for me lived on the other side
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that up for me lived on the other side
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that up for me lived on the other side of the city so whenever there used to be
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of the city so whenever there used to be
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of the city so whenever there used to be a problem he used to tell me to pick up
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a problem he used to tell me to pick up
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a problem he used to tell me to pick up my cardless phone and and open the
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my cardless phone and and open the
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my cardless phone and and open the screws and look inside the PC so I till
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screws and look inside the PC so I till
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screws and look inside the PC so I till my 10th grade I knew all the parts and
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my 10th grade I knew all the parts and
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my 10th grade I knew all the parts and knew how to dis disassemble and assemble
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knew how to dis disassemble and assemble
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knew how to dis disassemble and assemble those PCS at that point in time yeah
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those PCS at that point in time yeah
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those PCS at that point in time yeah that was pretty amazing and and and yeah
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that was pretty amazing and and and yeah
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that was pretty amazing and and and yeah the geek was awakened at that point in
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the geek was awakened at that point in
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the geek was awakened at that point in time right so learned dos fortron Cobalt
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time right so learned dos fortron Cobalt
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time right so learned dos fortron Cobalt Pascal all these languages apart from
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Pascal all these languages apart from
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Pascal all these languages apart from what was being taught in the school I
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what was being taught in the school I
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what was being taught in the school I learned everything on my own so yeah
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learned everything on my own so yeah
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learned everything on my own so yeah that did reduce my trips to the outside
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that did reduce my trips to the outside
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that did reduce my trips to the outside world where I was playing Less in the
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world where I was playing Less in the
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world where I was playing Less in the ground right
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ground right
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ground right yeah for sure I can I can tell well all
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yeah for sure I can I can tell well all
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yeah for sure I can I can tell well all right so so you you started as as many
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right so so you you started as as many
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right so so you you started as as many do with with tech as a young person uh
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do with with tech as a young person uh
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do with with tech as a young person uh younger like let's go there right
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younger like let's go there right
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younger like let's go there right younger yeah a younger person or as a
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younger yeah a younger person or as a
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younger yeah a younger person or as a small child and and growing up with with
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small child and and growing up with with
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small child and and growing up with with technology so you you fell into or came
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technology so you you fell into or came
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technology so you you fell into or came into a technical background um and then
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into a technical background um and then
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into a technical background um and then you worked your way into like Tech
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you worked your way into like Tech
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you worked your way into like Tech because I know you as a Microsoft most
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because I know you as a Microsoft most
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because I know you as a Microsoft most valuable professional right so correct
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valuable professional right so correct
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valuable professional right so correct so I mean the journey there is it's a
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so I mean the journey there is it's a
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so I mean the journey there is it's a pretty steep curve to reach those
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pretty steep curve to reach those
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pretty steep curve to reach those Heights OH it was very it was it was a
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Heights OH it was very it was it was a
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Heights OH it was very it was it was a horrible start in general uh yeah there
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horrible start in general uh yeah there
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horrible start in general uh yeah there not not many people know this so uh by
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not not many people know this so uh by
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not not many people know this so uh by the time I graduated and and even uh uh
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the time I graduated and and even uh uh
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the time I graduated and and even uh uh after my 12 so in India you have to give
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after my 12 so in India you have to give
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after my 12 so in India you have to give exams just like you have sads you have
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exams just like you have sads you have
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exams just like you have sads you have to give exams your joint entrance exams
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to give exams your joint entrance exams
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to give exams your joint entrance exams to get into a good college I did not
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to get into a good college I did not
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to get into a good college I did not knew about them until very late because
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knew about them until very late because
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knew about them until very late because you know it was it was my provocative to
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you know it was it was my provocative to
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you know it was it was my provocative to to have done the research in the right
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to have done the research in the right
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to have done the research in the right way but there were no mentors in that
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way but there were no mentors in that
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way but there were no mentors in that small City and uh since you were
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small City and uh since you were
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small City and uh since you were surrounded uh by a certain group of
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surrounded uh by a certain group of
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surrounded uh by a certain group of people you don't tend to get the vision
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people you don't tend to get the vision
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people you don't tend to get the vision or you don't get to if you don't hang
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or you don't get to if you don't hang
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or you don't get to if you don't hang out with people you sometimes don't
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out with people you sometimes don't
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out with people you sometimes don't don't understand what what else is out
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don't understand what what else is out
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don't understand what what else is out there in the world to explore right
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there in the world to explore right
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there in the world to explore right right uh uh even though I I still take
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right uh uh even though I I still take
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right uh uh even though I I still take it on me that why didn't I explore why
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it on me that why didn't I explore why
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it on me that why didn't I explore why didn't I think of where I want to end up
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didn't I think of where I want to end up
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didn't I think of where I want to end up in 10 20 years right so uh uh ended up
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in 10 20 years right so uh uh ended up
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in 10 20 years right so uh uh ended up doing Commerce like bcom not even an
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doing Commerce like bcom not even an
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doing Commerce like bcom not even an engineering course I'm not an engineer
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engineering course I'm not an engineer
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engineering course I'm not an engineer by by from graduation perspective uh uh
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by by from graduation perspective uh uh
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by by from graduation perspective uh uh but I could code better than than than
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but I could code better than than than
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but I could code better than than than than than computer science students uh
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than than computer science students uh
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than than computer science students uh by the time I graduated uh because I
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by the time I graduated uh because I
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by the time I graduated uh because I ended up doing a diploma course as well
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ended up doing a diploma course as well
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ended up doing a diploma course as well right and by the time my graduation is
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right and by the time my graduation is
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right and by the time my graduation is over my family is broke completely we
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over my family is broke completely we
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over my family is broke completely we didn't have money it was really horrible
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didn't have money it was really horrible
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didn't have money it was really horrible and my father uh uh at that no at that
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and my father uh uh at that no at that
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and my father uh uh at that no at that point time I was okay but then I went to
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point time I was okay but then I went to
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point time I was okay but then I went to I was admitted in France in one of the
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I was admitted in France in one of the
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I was admitted in France in one of the top five b schools so that
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top five b schools so that
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top five b schools so that was e horor with the fact that I was I
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was e horor with the fact that I was I
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was e horor with the fact that I was I got accepted into a scholarship program
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got accepted into a scholarship program
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got accepted into a scholarship program for a master so I did my MBA in
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for a master so I did my MBA in
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for a master so I did my MBA in technology and management and my my
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technology and management and my my
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technology and management and my my minors was in uh Finance Majors was in
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minors was in uh Finance Majors was in
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minors was in uh Finance Majors was in technology so that completely that that
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technology so that completely that that
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technology so that completely that that that changed my whole life my course of
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that changed my whole life my course of
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that changed my whole life my course of how I see the world because that was my
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how I see the world because that was my
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how I see the world because that was my first foray uh uh uh as an international
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first foray uh uh uh as an international
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first foray uh uh uh as an international travel international student in a city
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travel international student in a city
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travel international student in a city which I am not aware of I barely knew
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which I am not aware of I barely knew
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which I am not aware of I barely knew how to speak decent French uh uh doing
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how to speak decent French uh uh doing
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how to speak decent French uh uh doing grocery shopping was really like used
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grocery shopping was really like used
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grocery shopping was really like used look so stupid we we carrying dictionary
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look so stupid we we carrying dictionary
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look so stupid we we carrying dictionary with us you know
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with us you know
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with us you know okay right uh uh so yeah um that that
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okay right uh uh so yeah um that that
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okay right uh uh so yeah um that that that that my college was amazing they
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that that my college was amazing they
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that that my college was amazing they cramped two years of learning in 13
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cramped two years of learning in 13
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cramped two years of learning in 13 months basically wow barely got any
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months basically wow barely got any
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months basically wow barely got any that's rough that was rough man I wanted
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that's rough that was rough man I wanted
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that's rough that was rough man I wanted to do a PhD but two months into that
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to do a PhD but two months into that
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to do a PhD but two months into that that that that NBA program I was like to
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that that that NBA program I was like to
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that that that NBA program I was like to hell with PD let me just finish finish
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hell with PD let me just finish finish
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hell with PD let me just finish finish you know I I don't want to study that
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you know I I don't want to study that
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you know I I don't want to study that long anymore right right there my my my
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long anymore right right there my my my
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long anymore right right there my my my my my PSD uh uh dreams were shattered
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my my PSD uh uh dreams were shattered
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my my PSD uh uh dreams were shattered and then you know
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and then you know
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and then you know uh after coming back nobody would give
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uh after coming back nobody would give
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uh after coming back nobody would give me a job at all in
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me a job at all in
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me a job at all in India because my resume has Commerce in
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India because my resume has Commerce in
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India because my resume has Commerce in it like my graduation was in bcom right
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it like my graduation was in bcom right
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it like my graduation was in bcom right uh here they called bachor of Commerce
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uh here they called bachor of Commerce
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uh here they called bachor of Commerce and uh at that point in time I'm talking
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and uh at that point in time I'm talking
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and uh at that point in time I'm talking about 2004 uh the the application
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about 2004 uh the the application
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about 2004 uh the the application tracking system where you upload in big
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tracking system where you upload in big
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tracking system where you upload in big companies when you upload these resumes
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companies when you upload these resumes
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companies when you upload these resumes they would automatically see these
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they would automatically see these
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they would automatically see these keywords and reject you so my res pass
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keywords and reject you so my res pass
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keywords and reject you so my res pass the first level basically even though I
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the first level basically even though I
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the first level basically even though I had written I knew programming languages
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had written I knew programming languages
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had written I knew programming languages I knew uh uh I had diplomas everything
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I knew uh uh I had diplomas everything
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I knew uh uh I had diplomas everything was there right so I ended up on the
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was there right so I ended up on the
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was there right so I ended up on the ground operational floor of GE
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ground operational floor of GE
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ground operational floor of GE Healthcare for two years in in ggal so
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Healthcare for two years in in ggal so
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Healthcare for two years in in ggal so that's where for the first time that was
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that's where for the first time that was
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that's where for the first time that was like okay I was very uh accustomed to
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like okay I was very uh accustomed to
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like okay I was very uh accustomed to managing different types of businesses
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managing different types of businesses
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managing different types of businesses because my family was running a retail
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because my family was running a retail
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because my family was running a retail cloth clothing business and uh and we
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cloth clothing business and uh and we
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cloth clothing business and uh and we were also running for a very long uh uh
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were also running for a very long uh uh
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were also running for a very long uh uh number of years we were running fmcg
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number of years we were running fmcg
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number of years we were running fmcg wholesale distribution so you know in
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wholesale distribution so you know in
8:57
wholesale distribution so you know in India Biser is a Big Brand right the
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India Biser is a Big Brand right the
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India Biser is a Big Brand right the water friend so my my father and my
9:02
water friend so my my father and my
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water friend so my my father and my grandfather we were they were jointly
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grandfather we were they were jointly
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grandfather we were they were jointly running uh a wholesale distribution of
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running uh a wholesale distribution of
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running uh a wholesale distribution of water in and around Agra so it was not
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water in and around Agra so it was not
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water in and around Agra so it was not just one city there were multiple cities
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just one city there were multiple cities
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just one city there were multiple cities and we did that for 30 years so I even
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and we did that for 30 years so I even
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and we did that for 30 years so I even implemented uh a technology over there
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implemented uh a technology over there
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implemented uh a technology over there myself where if our distribution uh uh
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myself where if our distribution uh uh
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myself where if our distribution uh uh vehicle is around you and you give us a
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vehicle is around you and you give us a
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vehicle is around you and you give us a call I can page using the pagers that
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call I can page using the pagers that
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call I can page using the pagers that came in I could page my my guys in the
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came in I could page my my guys in the
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came in I could page my my guys in the field and they would deliver it to you
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field and they would deliver it to you
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field and they would deliver it to you within a couple of hours and my
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within a couple of hours and my
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within a couple of hours and my customers were really happy right so I I
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customers were really happy right so I I
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customers were really happy right so I I I did that years ago and the only reason
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I did that years ago and the only reason
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I did that years ago and the only reason it worked at that point in time because
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it worked at that point in time because
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it worked at that point in time because at that time the pages were introduced
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at that time the pages were introduced
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at that time the pages were introduced with a new Hindi language so my my
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with a new Hindi language so my my
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with a new Hindi language so my my drivers could read it you know oh that's
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drivers could read it you know oh that's
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drivers could read it you know oh that's good that was really transformational
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good that was really transformational
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good that was really transformational and I couldn't understand I I couldn't
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and I couldn't understand I I couldn't
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and I couldn't understand I I couldn't have un I couldn't uh you know uh U
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have un I couldn't uh you know uh U
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have un I couldn't uh you know uh U understood the impact it would make to
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understood the impact it would make to
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understood the impact it would make to the revenue that we would get and the
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the revenue that we would get and the
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the revenue that we would get and the satisfaction level we got from our
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satisfaction level we got from our
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satisfaction level we got from our customers right other they would have to
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customers right other they would have to
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customers right other they would have to wait for a week sometimes because our
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wait for a week sometimes because our
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wait for a week sometimes because our path uh would take long to get back to
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path uh would take long to get back to
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path uh would take long to get back to that area problem and then you you try
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that area problem and then you you try
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that area problem and then you you try to Invision a solution using technology
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to Invision a solution using technology
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to Invision a solution using technology for that for that business problem right
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for that for that business problem right
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for that for that business problem right right and yeah one thing led to the
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right and yeah one thing led to the
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right and yeah one thing led to the other GE Healthcare extremely toxic
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other GE Healthcare extremely toxic
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other GE Healthcare extremely toxic environment you know I I I mean I'm not
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environment you know I I I mean I'm not
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environment you know I I I mean I'm not saying the whole GE Healthcare is bad no
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saying the whole GE Healthcare is bad no
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saying the whole GE Healthcare is bad no absolutely not but the division that I
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absolutely not but the division that I
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absolutely not but the division that I was a part of here in Gorgan that was uh
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was a part of here in Gorgan that was uh
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was a part of here in Gorgan that was uh it was it used to be called GE Capital
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it was it used to be called GE Capital
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it was it used to be called GE Capital International Services before it became
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International Services before it became
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International Services before it became genpact now it's called genpact by the
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genpact now it's called genpact by the
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genpact now it's called genpact by the way so uh if you're a manager over there
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way so uh if you're a manager over there
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way so uh if you're a manager over there and you took 10 different uh uh or or 10
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and you took 10 different uh uh or or 10
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and you took 10 different uh uh or or 10 difficult steps to become a manager yeah
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difficult steps to become a manager yeah
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difficult steps to become a manager yeah their mindset and their uh uh uh uh you
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their mindset and their uh uh uh uh you
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their mindset and their uh uh uh uh you know Vision was oh the person who's
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know Vision was oh the person who's
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know Vision was oh the person who's coming as a successor he should probably
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coming as a successor he should probably
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coming as a successor he should probably climb 100 steps because I took 10 you
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climb 100 steps because I took 10 you
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climb 100 steps because I took 10 you know I will make his life more difficult
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know I will make his life more difficult
10:56
know I will make his life more difficult and yeah exactly and my my thought
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and yeah exactly and my my thought
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and yeah exactly and my my thought process is like dude you're there to
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process is like dude you're there to
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process is like dude you're there to remove those 10 steps for the other guy
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remove those 10 steps for the other guy
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remove those 10 steps for the other guy to to come up not add to his suffering
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to to come up not add to his suffering
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to to come up not add to his suffering right but again the the the the work
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right but again the the the the work
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right but again the the the the work culture was very difficult for me to
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culture was very difficult for me to
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culture was very difficult for me to work there but those two years grilled
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work there but those two years grilled
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work there but those two years grilled me for probably when I would start this
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me for probably when I would start this
11:16
me for probably when I would start this company and know exactly what not to do
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company and know exactly what not to do
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company and know exactly what not to do right good very good that was one of the
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right good very good that was one of the
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right good very good that was one of the things that really helped me in and and
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things that really helped me in and and
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things that really helped me in and and and and in making sure that I don't uh
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and and in making sure that I don't uh
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and and in making sure that I don't uh uh mess up the culture that I have and
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uh mess up the culture that I have and
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uh mess up the culture that I have and I'm very proud of seeing happy faces in
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I'm very proud of seeing happy faces in
11:32
I'm very proud of seeing happy faces in my office today yeah okay so then you
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my office today yeah okay so then you
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my office today yeah okay so then you started your your company that is
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started your your company that is
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started your your company that is correct um no I actually ended up so
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correct um no I actually ended up so
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correct um no I actually ended up so again I was getting I was getting
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again I was getting I was getting
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again I was getting I was getting peanuts at that point in time too in
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peanuts at that point in time too in
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peanuts at that point in time too in there right and uh another financial
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there right and uh another financial
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there right and uh another financial crisis came where my father started to
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crisis came where my father started to
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crisis came where my father started to have uh uh health problems and he was
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have uh uh health problems and he was
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have uh uh health problems and he was diagnosed with kidney chronic disease at
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diagnosed with kidney chronic disease at
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diagnosed with kidney chronic disease at that point in time you know uh even
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that point in time you know uh even
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that point in time you know uh even though the transplant and the alysis
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though the transplant and the alysis
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though the transplant and the alysis were years away at that point in time
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were years away at that point in time
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were years away at that point in time but we had to get ready so that kind of
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but we had to get ready so that kind of
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but we had to get ready so that kind of pushed me into oh how do I make more
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pushed me into oh how do I make more
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pushed me into oh how do I make more money now this is enough I cannot you
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money now this is enough I cannot you
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money now this is enough I cannot you know stay at a point where I just keep
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know stay at a point where I just keep
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know stay at a point where I just keep learning uh there was a lot of learning
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learning uh there was a lot of learning
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learning uh there was a lot of learning in G by the way it's not that that was
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in G by the way it's not that that was
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in G by the way it's not that that was all bad in general
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all bad in general
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all bad in general so that's when I made the decision to
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so that's when I made the decision to
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so that's when I made the decision to start applying for uh uh jobs in United
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start applying for uh uh jobs in United
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start applying for uh uh jobs in United States and I got accepted I came here I
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States and I got accepted I came here I
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States and I got accepted I came here I worked from 2007 to 2011 almost four
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worked from 2007 to 2011 almost four
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worked from 2007 to 2011 almost four plus years was in US did a lot of
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plus years was in US did a lot of
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plus years was in US did a lot of Consulting gigs um you know made a
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Consulting gigs um you know made a
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Consulting gigs um you know made a decent amount of money uh I couldn't
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decent amount of money uh I couldn't
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decent amount of money uh I couldn't have imagined I would make that much
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have imagined I would make that much
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have imagined I would make that much amount of money in in four years to be
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amount of money in in four years to be
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amount of money in in four years to be honest and SharePoint was my gig at that
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honest and SharePoint was my gig at that
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honest and SharePoint was my gig at that point in time and gu was where I was
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point in time and gu was where I was
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point in time and gu was where I was introduced to SharePoint by the way my
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introduced to SharePoint by the way my
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introduced to SharePoint by the way my first job G Healthcare so that was my
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first job G Healthcare so that was my
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first job G Healthcare so that was my first job after coming back from France
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first job after coming back from France
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first job after coming back from France so that is exactly where I got access to
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so that is exactly where I got access to
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so that is exactly where I got access to SharePoint I was made the site admin
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SharePoint I was made the site admin
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SharePoint I was made the site admin over there for the second version of uh
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over there for the second version of uh
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over there for the second version of uh uh uh SharePoint that was deployed in
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uh uh SharePoint that was deployed in
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uh uh SharePoint that was deployed in the very beginning it was not even
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the very beginning it was not even
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the very beginning it was not even called SharePoint it was called virtual
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called SharePoint it was called virtual
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called SharePoint it was called virtual server something like that right so uh
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server something like that right so uh
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server something like that right so uh that's when I started falling in love
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that's when I started falling in love
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that's when I started falling in love with SharePoint uh uh way back in 2007
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with SharePoint uh uh way back in 2007
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with SharePoint uh uh way back in 2007 right yeah uh 2004
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right yeah uh 2004
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right yeah uh 2004 sorry 2005 and 2006 sorry my bad 2005
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sorry 2005 and 2006 sorry my bad 2005
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sorry 2005 and 2006 sorry my bad 2005 and 2006 is when I worked for G
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and 2006 is when I worked for G
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and 2006 is when I worked for G Healthcare that's when I uh uh started
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Healthcare that's when I uh uh started
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Healthcare that's when I uh uh started uh getting my hands dirty with
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uh getting my hands dirty with
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uh getting my hands dirty with SharePoint came to us did a lot of
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SharePoint came to us did a lot of
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SharePoint came to us did a lot of Consulting I even did a project for for
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Consulting I even did a project for for
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Consulting I even did a project for for a nuclear power plant in Maryland uh on
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a nuclear power plant in Maryland uh on
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a nuclear power plant in Maryland uh on on SharePoint really uh uh yeah that was
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on SharePoint really uh uh yeah that was
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on SharePoint really uh uh yeah that was a that was a joint project with axent
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a that was a joint project with axent
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a that was a joint project with axent chair and alanod I love project oh that
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chair and alanod I love project oh that
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chair and alanod I love project oh that was really exciting absolutely and um
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was really exciting absolutely and um
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was really exciting absolutely and um then again things took a little bit of
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then again things took a little bit of
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then again things took a little bit of downturn I had to come back uh in 2011
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downturn I had to come back uh in 2011
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downturn I had to come back uh in 2011 uh my family needed me and since then
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uh my family needed me and since then
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uh my family needed me and since then I'm here and one thing led to the other
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I'm here and one thing led to the other
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I'm here and one thing led to the other and I opened up my company and boy it
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and I opened up my company and boy it
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and I opened up my company and boy it has been uh a very satisfying Journey
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has been uh a very satisfying Journey
13:58
has been uh a very satisfying Journey last year in June we completed 10 years
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last year in June we completed 10 years
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last year in June we completed 10 years and uh um so let's talk about that let's
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and uh um so let's talk about that let's
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and uh um so let's talk about that let's talk about the the journey with your
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talk about the the journey with your
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talk about the the journey with your your company so you're you now have a
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your company so you're you now have a
14:09
your company so you're you now have a you
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you
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you know a solid technical experience and
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know a solid technical experience and
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know a solid technical experience and background and and then you thought it
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background and and then you thought it
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background and and then you thought it was would be a good idea to start a
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was would be a good idea to start a
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was would be a good idea to start a company and become a business person
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company and become a business person
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company and become a business person yeah because you could save on taxes
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yeah because you could save on taxes
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yeah because you could save on taxes right uh it's a very it's it's a legal
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right uh it's a very it's it's a legal
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right uh it's a very it's it's a legal legal way to go ahead and uh expense for
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legal way to go ahead and uh expense for
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legal way to go ahead and uh expense for everything that you're doing related to
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everything that you're doing related to
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everything that you're doing related to your uh company so that's actually how
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your uh company so that's actually how
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your uh company so that's actually how it started and I was like maybe if it
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it started and I was like maybe if it
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it started and I was like maybe if it goes big I need to have the right name
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goes big I need to have the right name
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goes big I need to have the right name for it right so I did a lot of research
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for it right so I did a lot of research
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for it right so I did a lot of research and I was a big fan of Star Trek so
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and I was a big fan of Star Trek so
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and I was a big fan of Star Trek so penara comes from a planet that was
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penara comes from a planet that was
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penara comes from a planet that was named panthara 4 in one of the Star Trek
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named panthara 4 in one of the Star Trek
14:51
named panthara 4 in one of the Star Trek series yeah that's where this name comes
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series yeah that's where this name comes
14:53
series yeah that's where this name comes from yeah exactly it's only it's only
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from yeah exactly it's only it's only
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from yeah exactly it's only it's only just just the name if you will but now
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just just the name if you will but now
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just just the name if you will but now it's yours correct that is correct well
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it's yours correct that is correct well
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it's yours correct that is correct well um um the planet name was Beena for it
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um um the planet name was Beena for it
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um um the planet name was Beena for it was not copyrighted or anything so I I I
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was not copyrighted or anything so I I I
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was not copyrighted or anything so I I I used it in penara technology sense not
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used it in penara technology sense not
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used it in penara technology sense not very nice it's a good name yeah it is it
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very nice it's a good name yeah it is it
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very nice it's a good name yeah it is it is very unique so yeah and now I'm you
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is very unique so yeah and now I'm you
15:17
is very unique so yeah and now I'm you know trying to figure out
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know trying to figure out
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know trying to figure out how to make my company really good in
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how to make my company really good in
15:24
how to make my company really good in terms of how I can take care of my
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terms of how I can take care of my
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terms of how I can take care of my employees first right okay uh um
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employees first right okay uh um
15:29
employees first right okay uh um uh I I loved how uh Jack Welch LED as
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uh I I loved how uh Jack Welch LED as
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uh I I loved how uh Jack Welch LED as well in general uh uh for JE but uh the
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well in general uh uh for JE but uh the
15:38
well in general uh uh for JE but uh the the concept of uh shareholder Supremacy
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the concept of uh shareholder Supremacy
15:42
the concept of uh shareholder Supremacy doesn't hold well with me in general
15:44
doesn't hold well with me in general
15:44
doesn't hold well with me in general because uh you know you you need to have
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because uh you know you you need to have
15:47
because uh you know you you need to have some level of equal distribution of
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some level of equal distribution of
15:50
some level of equal distribution of wealth and you know how how you're
15:52
wealth and you know how how you're
15:52
wealth and you know how how you're earning uh uh and and and figure out a
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earning uh uh and and and figure out a
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earning uh uh and and and figure out a way to distribute it within your
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way to distribute it within your
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way to distribute it within your employees in a very um how do I say this
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employees in a very um how do I say this
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employees in a very um how do I say this um in a very fair way which makes sense
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um in a very fair way which makes sense
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um in a very fair way which makes sense and I'm still struggling with that by
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and I'm still struggling with that by
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and I'm still struggling with that by the way it's not I I I I I have a
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the way it's not I I I I I have a
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the way it's not I I I I I have a formula for that but uh um as long as my
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formula for that but uh um as long as my
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formula for that but uh um as long as my company is profitable I'll put my
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company is profitable I'll put my
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company is profitable I'll put my employees first you know but it has to
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employees first you know but it has to
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employees first you know but it has to be profitable whether it's even one rupe
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be profitable whether it's even one rupe
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be profitable whether it's even one rupe or $1 I don't care right if I'm making
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or $1 I don't care right if I'm making
16:20
or $1 I don't care right if I'm making money I'm I'm good right uh and and and
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money I'm I'm good right uh and and and
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money I'm I'm good right uh and and and you cannot you cannot uh you cannot move
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you cannot you cannot uh you cannot move
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you cannot you cannot uh you cannot move forward a progress alone right you have
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forward a progress alone right you have
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forward a progress alone right you have to bring everyone together Abol for me
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to bring everyone together Abol for me
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to bring everyone together Abol for me to uh understand that and the fact that
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to uh understand that and the fact that
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to uh understand that and the fact that whatever your employees are doing
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whatever your employees are doing
16:39
whatever your employees are doing wherever they are going and and and one
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wherever they are going and and and one
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wherever they are going and and and one of the biggest re relevations recently
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of the biggest re relevations recently
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of the biggest re relevations recently has been on the part where I'm Bing
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has been on the part where I'm Bing
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has been on the part where I'm Bing myself for it because um you have an
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myself for it because um you have an
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myself for it because um you have an employee who's sitting at a comfort zone
16:50
employee who's sitting at a comfort zone
16:50
employee who's sitting at a comfort zone and he's doing things really well uh um
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and he's doing things really well uh um
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and he's doing things really well uh um you know and you're trying to push him
16:54
you know and you're trying to push him
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you know and you're trying to push him hey you're here can we get you here yeah
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hey you're here can we get you here yeah
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hey you're here can we get you here yeah I want to get here but then one month
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I want to get here but then one month
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I want to get here but then one month passes two months passes he's still he's
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passes two months passes he's still he's
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passes two months passes he's still he's he's comfortable there he's not moving
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he's comfortable there he's not moving
17:04
he's comfortable there he's not moving no matter what you you you you you you
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no matter what you you you you you you
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no matter what you you you you you you you talk to him openly it doesn't happen
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you talk to him openly it doesn't happen
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you talk to him openly it doesn't happen you know and then um eventually what
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you know and then um eventually what
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you know and then um eventually what that leads to
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that leads to
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that leads to is you figured out a way because when
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is you figured out a way because when
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is you figured out a way because when that happens you figure out a way where
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that happens you figure out a way where
17:17
that happens you figure out a way where you find that okay maybe things are not
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you find that okay maybe things are not
17:19
you find that okay maybe things are not working what I'm expecting from you
17:20
working what I'm expecting from you
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working what I'm expecting from you versus what you want from me so maybe we
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versus what you want from me so maybe we
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versus what you want from me so maybe we can you know call it call it TI and and
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can you know call it call it TI and and
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can you know call it call it TI and and part ways in a very healthy normal
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part ways in a very healthy normal
17:27
part ways in a very healthy normal relationship way but then when you think
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relationship way but then when you think
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relationship way but then when you think about it as a leader that also is wrong
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about it as a leader that also is wrong
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about it as a leader that also is wrong for me now I have to think about
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for me now I have to think about
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for me now I have to think about multiple ways to see how I can motivate
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multiple ways to see how I can motivate
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multiple ways to see how I can motivate them not just one way and talk about in
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them not just one way and talk about in
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them not just one way and talk about in one way right so you have to understand
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one way right so you have to understand
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one way right so you have to understand what they want at any given point in
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what they want at any given point in
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what they want at any given point in time maybe they're saying they want to
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time maybe they're saying they want to
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time maybe they're saying they want to be here but they don't want to be there
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be here but they don't want to be there
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be here but they don't want to be there they want to be somewhere else you know
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they want to be somewhere else you know
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they want to be somewhere else you know so you you you you can't just give up in
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so you you you you can't just give up in
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so you you you you can't just give up in one way and and and and and and and
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one way and and and and and and and
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one way and and and and and and and start those kind of discussions so it's
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start those kind of discussions so it's
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start those kind of discussions so it's really uh uh you know uh uh sometimes
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really uh uh you know uh uh sometimes
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really uh uh you know uh uh sometimes it's uh uh it's it's it's it's difficult
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it's uh uh it's it's it's it's difficult
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it's uh uh it's it's it's it's difficult to have this kind of conversation to
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to have this kind of conversation to
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to have this kind of conversation to have that level of clarity in your
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have that level of clarity in your
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have that level of clarity in your thought what you want versus what the
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thought what you want versus what the
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thought what you want versus what the other person want and and bring
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other person want and and bring
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other person want and and bring everything on the table so you have you
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everything on the table so you have you
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everything on the table so you have you know a very candid and a fair open
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know a very candid and a fair open
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know a very candid and a fair open discussion from that perspective uh so
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discussion from that perspective uh so
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discussion from that perspective uh so uh uh everything points to me now that
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uh uh everything points to me now that
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uh uh everything points to me now that you should try this you should try that
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you should try this you should try that
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you should try this you should try that so any any any time when my employee
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so any any any time when my employee
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so any any any time when my employee goes wrong the first question now that
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goes wrong the first question now that
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goes wrong the first question now that pops up in my mind is what are you doing
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pops up in my mind is what are you doing
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pops up in my mind is what are you doing for them to make them write first there
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for them to make them write first there
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for them to make them write first there you go have you done your homework first
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you go have you done your homework first
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you go have you done your homework first before you can point fingers at anyone
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before you can point fingers at anyone
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before you can point fingers at anyone for any you
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for any you
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for any you know so but I think yours yours sounds
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know so but I think yours yours sounds
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know so but I think yours yours sounds like a company that that people would
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like a company that that people would
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like a company that that people would like to work for because it sounds like
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like to work for because it sounds like
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like to work for because it sounds like you have a good set of priorities to
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you have a good set of priorities to
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you have a good set of priorities to ensure that your people are are
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ensure that your people are are
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ensure that your people are are comfortable and and progressing and
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comfortable and and progressing and
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comfortable and and progressing and doing their best uh that's also going to
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doing their best uh that's also going to
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doing their best uh that's also going to in the and make you successful as well
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in the and make you successful as well
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in the and make you successful as well absolutely I I hope so I really hope so
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absolutely I I hope so I really hope so
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absolutely I I hope so I really hope so that's the plan that's the plan exactly
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that's the plan that's the plan exactly
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that's the plan that's the plan exactly I think that's that's a very important
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I think that's that's a very important
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I think that's that's a very important attitude to have because um I I I agree
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attitude to have because um I I I agree
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attitude to have because um I I I agree with you about um just in general I mean
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with you about um just in general I mean
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with you about um just in general I mean there are there are definitely uh
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there are there are definitely uh
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there are there are definitely uh shareholding uh sh share holding
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shareholding uh sh share holding
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shareholding uh sh share holding companies that are that are good and
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companies that are that are good and
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companies that are that are good and that they treat their employees in in a
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that they treat their employees in in a
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that they treat their employees in in a fair and and and nice way definitely
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fair and and and nice way definitely
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fair and and and nice way definitely definitely but I've found that um some
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definitely but I've found that um some
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definitely but I've found that um some of the best expert companies are the
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of the best expert companies are the
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of the best expert companies are the ones that are privately held and and
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ones that are privately held and and
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ones that are privately held and and expertly focused that's that's generally
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expertly focused that's that's generally
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expertly focused that's that's generally what I see um but I I haven't seen every
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what I see um but I I haven't seen every
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what I see um but I I haven't seen every company in the world of course but Mark
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company in the world of course but Mark
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company in the world of course but Mark up until two years ago I never wanted to
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up until two years ago I never wanted to
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up until two years ago I never wanted to grow I was like I'm a team of 14 15
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grow I was like I'm a team of 14 15
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grow I was like I'm a team of 14 15 people maybe 20 I'll go to 20 and never
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people maybe 20 I'll go to 20 and never
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people maybe 20 I'll go to 20 and never grow I wanted to be there I never wanted
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grow I wanted to be there I never wanted
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grow I wanted to be there I never wanted to move but then when I saw the cycle
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to move but then when I saw the cycle
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to move but then when I saw the cycle that was going in and out because I
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that was going in and out because I
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that was going in and out because I would say no to the business when I'm
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would say no to the business when I'm
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would say no to the business when I'm full
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full
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full and then I had to sit down and see that
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and then I had to sit down and see that
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and then I had to sit down and see that cycle go again and again where I have
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cycle go again and again where I have
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cycle go again and again where I have projects I don't have projects I have
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projects I don't have projects I have
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projects I don't have projects I have projects I don't have projects right it
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projects I don't have projects right it
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projects I don't have projects right it would demotivated and I would lose my
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would demotivated and I would lose my
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would demotivated and I would lose my real good employees at that point in
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real good employees at that point in
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real good employees at that point in time when when this business got slow
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time when when this business got slow
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time when when this business got slow and I'm like okay let's just go ahead
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and I'm like okay let's just go ahead
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and I'm like okay let's just go ahead and expand and and one of the fear was
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and expand and and one of the fear was
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and expand and and one of the fear was to make sure I don't lose this culture
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to make sure I don't lose this culture
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to make sure I don't lose this culture when I expand right yeah that's hard
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when I expand right yeah that's hard
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when I expand right yeah that's hard that's hard from going from a a small
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that's hard from going from a a small
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that's hard from going from a a small company to a more of a medium size
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company to a more of a medium size
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company to a more of a medium size company that's very uh challenging in
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company that's very uh challenging in
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company that's very uh challenging in terms of the uh cultural growth inside
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terms of the uh cultural growth inside
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terms of the uh cultural growth inside of the company yeah so my my weekends
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of the company yeah so my my weekends
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of the company yeah so my my weekends are filled with now reading books about
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are filled with now reading books about
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are filled with now reading books about leadership one way or the other which I
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leadership one way or the other which I
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leadership one way or the other which I should have done so this is this is one
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should have done so this is this is one
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should have done so this is this is one advice I could get give anyone I don't
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advice I could get give anyone I don't
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advice I could get give anyone I don't care whether you will ever run a company
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care whether you will ever run a company
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care whether you will ever run a company or not whether you will become an
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or not whether you will become an
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or not whether you will become an entrepreneur or not it doesn't matter if
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entrepreneur or not it doesn't matter if
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entrepreneur or not it doesn't matter if you are within uh even if you've touched
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you are within uh even if you've touched
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you are within uh even if you've touched four years as a technical leader or a
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four years as a technical leader or a
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four years as a technical leader or a technical person in any form or fashion
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technical person in any form or fashion
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technical person in any form or fashion start reading leadership and management
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start reading leadership and management
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start reading leadership and management books they help you uh a hell lot in
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books they help you uh a hell lot in
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books they help you uh a hell lot in terms of how you communicate how you
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terms of how you communicate how you
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terms of how you communicate how you work on yourself and and and become a
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work on yourself and and and become a
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work on yourself and and and become a better person in general even you know
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better person in general even you know
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better person in general even you know with your personal relationships these
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with your personal relationships these
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with your personal relationships these these these books teach you a lot not
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these these books teach you a lot not
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these these books teach you a lot not just how to run an organization in
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just how to run an organization in
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just how to run an organization in general but how to behave and how to uh
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general but how to behave and how to uh
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general but how to behave and how to uh uh openly have very candid conversations
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uh openly have very candid conversations
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uh openly have very candid conversations with people and and and and and and make
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with people and and and and and and make
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with people and and and and and and make them understand uh what you really want
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them understand uh what you really want
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them understand uh what you really want versus what you're saying in general
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versus what you're saying in general
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versus what you're saying in general right right I like that a lot that's
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right right I like that a lot that's
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right right I like that a lot that's lovely yeah yeah so yeah that that that
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lovely yeah yeah so yeah that that that
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lovely yeah yeah so yeah that that that that'll that'll you know 5x or 10x your
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that'll that'll you know 5x or 10x your
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that'll that'll you know 5x or 10x your your your success rate or or or you're
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your your success rate or or or you're
21:47
your your success rate or or or you're go so as as sort of a a final final
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go so as as sort of a a final final
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go so as as sort of a a final final thing here for this episode what what's
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thing here for this episode what what's
21:52
thing here for this episode what what's next for you where where are you going
21:53
next for you where where are you going
21:54
next for you where where are you going now like guess it's uh I guess you can
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now like guess it's uh I guess you can
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now like guess it's uh I guess you can guess where everybody's going today
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guess where everybody's going today
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guess where everybody's going today right uh but yeah I I have two things
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right uh but yeah I I have two things
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right uh but yeah I I have two things that I'm uh uh passionate about one is
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that I'm uh uh passionate about one is
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that I'm uh uh passionate about one is giving back to the community in general
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giving back to the community in general
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giving back to the community in general that's probably why I've been awarded
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that's probably why I've been awarded
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that's probably why I've been awarded that
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mvp right and actually I I I got that
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mvp right and actually I I I got that
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mvp right and actually I I I got that program because of global lure boot camp
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program because of global lure boot camp
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program because of global lure boot camp you know so I I ran that for a couple of
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you know so I I ran that for a couple of
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you know so I I ran that for a couple of years in my city and the CPM noticed me
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years in my city and the CPM noticed me
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years in my city and the CPM noticed me and they're like oh you should be in the
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and they're like oh you should be in the
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and they're like oh you should be in the MVP program because you you run those
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MVP program because you you run those
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MVP program because you you run those times Community is the best man thank
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times Community is the best man thank
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times Community is the best man thank you thank you so much for starting that
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you thank you so much for starting that
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you thank you so much for starting that you know so you you were the guy you
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you know so you you were the guy you
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you know so you you were the guy you were the guy running the the events so
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were the guy running the the events so
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were the guy running the the events so you know you I know I know I know but
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you know you I know I know I know but
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you know you I know I know I know but still uh if you didn't put it out there
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still uh if you didn't put it out there
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still uh if you didn't put it out there I wouldn't have picked it up either
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I wouldn't have picked it up either
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I wouldn't have picked it up either right so very cool though like it yeah
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right so very cool though like it yeah
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right so very cool though like it yeah in in general just you know uh uh never
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in in general just you know uh uh never
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in in general just you know uh uh never stop growing and never stop learning and
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stop growing and never stop learning and
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stop growing and never stop learning and for me the next thing is uh I I I'm I'm
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for me the next thing is uh I I I'm I'm
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for me the next thing is uh I I I'm I'm really passionate about security as well
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really passionate about security as well
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really passionate about security as well right so I'm trying to figure out ways
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right so I'm trying to figure out ways
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right so I'm trying to figure out ways to marry Ai and Security in ways that
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to marry Ai and Security in ways that
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to marry Ai and Security in ways that have not done before so let's see what
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have not done before so let's see what
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have not done before so let's see what happens next that's that's the idea so
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happens next that's that's the idea so
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happens next that's that's the idea so if you if you're listening and you you
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if you if you're listening and you you
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if you if you're listening and you you want to work with a with in a company
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want to work with a with in a company
23:08
want to work with a with in a company with good growth and about security and
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with good growth and about security and
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with good growth and about security and so on and so forth and there we go I
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so on and so forth and there we go I
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so on and so forth and there we go I plugged your business see if you can get
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plugged your business see if you can get
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plugged your business see if you can get some more people to join you exactly
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some more people to join you exactly
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some more people to join you exactly absolutely all right well listen it's
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absolutely all right well listen it's
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absolutely all right well listen it's been so nice to talk to you uh and and
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been so nice to talk to you uh and and
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been so nice to talk to you uh and and what an interesting fascinating Journey
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what an interesting fascinating Journey
23:25
what an interesting fascinating Journey you have had uh throughout your your
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you have had uh throughout your your
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you have had uh throughout your your career and I think a lot of people here
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career and I think a lot of people here
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career and I think a lot of people here for example in in India and elsewhere in
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for example in in India and elsewhere in
23:32
for example in in India and elsewhere in general uh would would be uh you know
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general uh would would be uh you know
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general uh would would be uh you know good to to hear your story and and see
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good to to hear your story and and see
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good to to hear your story and and see your passion and and your journey so I
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your passion and and your journey so I
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your passion and and your journey so I AB very much appreciate you being on the
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AB very much appreciate you being on the
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AB very much appreciate you being on the cloud show today I it was lovely talking
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cloud show today I it was lovely talking
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cloud show today I it was lovely talking to you Yash we we we could talk for
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to you Yash we we we could talk for
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to you Yash we we we could talk for hours about all the things I know but
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hours about all the things I know but
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hours about all the things I know but anyway we can't so thank you thank you
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anyway we can't so thank you thank you
23:53
anyway we can't so thank you thank you so much Magnus take care and and um
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so much Magnus take care and and um
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so much Magnus take care and and um thanks audience for watching the cloud
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thanks audience for watching the cloud
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thanks audience for watching the cloud show and uh next week we'll see about
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show and uh next week we'll see about
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