Video: Darryn de Souza Is Bringing Broadway Back to Brampton
Oct 11, 2024
Darryn de Souza is back in Brampton this fall to curate 'This is Brampton: Re-Imagined: A Theatre Concert'. In this video, watch as Darryn gives an extra special sneak peek into what audiences can expect!
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Welcome to
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Welcome to Backstage. Welcome to Backstage with Richard Ridge
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Brampton on stage in Ontario continues their season with This Is Brampton, Reimagined, a concert
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curated by Darren D'Souza, which will take place at the Rose on October 18th at 8 p.m
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Darren has shared the stage performing alongside such icons as Celine Dion and Stevie Wonder
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and performing for world leaders like Barack and Michelle Obama. Please welcome my guest award-winning music director, band leader, and performer Darren DeSouza
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Thanks, Richard. Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be here. Well, first of all, how are you and where are you
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Well, I'm in Canada. I'm in Ontario, and I am doing wonderful
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It's been a wonderful season here. We've had tons of sun, and us Canadians adore the summer, because we know what's coming
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as you in New York know as well. So we cherish the sun when it's here, and we've had lots of it this summer
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So I'm in Ontario working away, building things, and looking for the next stage of my career
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as I work through these rebuilding times, and I'm happy to be here doing it
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Oh, I love it. You're about to kick off. This is Brampton, reimagined, a theater concert
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curated by yourself. How excited are you? Oh, my gosh. You know, one of my favorite things to do
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is to bring theater to the people around me in my community
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And I was lucky as a young person to have theater thrust upon me
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I went to a school for music from grade three, and I sort of came up with music right
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around me. Sometimes it was forced upon me. And I'm thankful now, though, as we all know
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sometimes we look at our parents and kind of go, oh, why did you force me to do that? So as I came
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up through it, I always had wonderful people around me. And as I became a professional in this
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industry, I found that I was inspired by those that I surrounded myself with. And so I conceived
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this idea because in Brampton, theater is a part of the culture, and we want to bring opportunity
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to the community to see what happens. You know, Toronto is a wonderful
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landing hotspot for theater. Things have opened here, ragtime, and mega musicals have lived here for years
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And so theater is part of Toronto's core. And so the cities around it, we try to make sure that
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we bring all that wonderful talent, that culture, all the wonderful concepts that come with
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theater. We try to make sure that we bring them out of Toronto and into the suburbs. And so
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Brampton has this wonderful program where they give me the space and the way, the means to
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to bring this talent to those people. And so I've done these concert a few times, and I get to bring
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people that I adore. It's actually a wonderful excuse to call voices and talents that I am just in love
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with. So I take the opportunity, and I bring people in. This time I have wonderful performers
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Robert Ball, who's a staple in and such a talent in Canada, Paige Foskitt, and new up-and-comer
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EVO tool, and myself, of course, holding them together. And then when I can, I kind of add myself
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because I love to sing. So I bring them in and we bring music that we've always known
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music that maybe we've never heard, and music that hasn't really had a chance to see the
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light of day. And I bring all of that around. And if it's a really well-known song
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it has a wonderful story or a lesson that's built in. And so I love to take the challenge
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of bringing a song to people and maybe reimagining the way that it can be performed
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Some stuff was written in a time when a specific type of music was at the forefell
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front and the melody may be golden, but it may be ripe for reimagining. And so I take voices
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I see what they have to offer as a style, as a talent, as a soul, and I try and meet them with the
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songs that we choose. So it's a really fun thing to take music, wrap it around into a new snowball
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and then see how it throws. So you curate this concert with the voices you have, right? You reimagine
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these songs with the wonderful singers you're bringing to this concert. That's exactly right. So I have a different set of singers every time I do it, and I try to be as open as I can
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I bring in many different styles of voices as I can because it kind of forces us in the room to come up with fresh concepts
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An example I can give you is Robert has one of the smoothest soulful voices that I've come across in Canada
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and I love listening to his voice just like ring over these long notes
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So I knew as soon as he said yes, that I wanted to find a way to have
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a part of any song. I didn't have a song in mind, but any song where I could just hear him
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ooh, just like long phrasing. And so we talked a lot. And one of the songs that we came across
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is you'll never walk alone. And this is a classic song. And it's also been, of course
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recorded and thought of in many different ways. But with that soulful voice, I just thought to
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myself, I'm going to give you an example. Do you mind if I give an example? Oh, our audience would love it. So I am not Robert Ball, but the soul only goes up from here. So
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I thought of this vibe. This is where I started. And I just loved this sound
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It was soft and it was calm. And it gave him a chance to do this
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When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high. And it had this beautiful soul
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And we went through the song. And as we got towards the end, we had that monumental moment
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We come out of a piano. solo. Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart. And so that's a really great
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example of how we just sit down and we think of a song and go, how can we work this song to that
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beautiful nugget that's inside of you that I'm hoping to pull out? And it makes a very inspiring
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process because every time we come out of the rehearsal room, we kind of walk out going like
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I'm really excited about this. I want to do this like more. And so it's got this little life to it
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because all of the artists that I'm working with haven't done a number of the things that they'll do with me on
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this stage and so the true soul the true spirit of theater in my opinion is you experience it on
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stage i think that's such a wonderful opportunity for us to pass on communication and so they'll
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be on that stage and truthfully have never done some of these songs the way that we will do them
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and the other part about it is i spent a lot of time touring with that with a wonderful canadian
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group called the tenors they brought me on incredible journeys and we got to see so many great
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things during that time I wasn't one of the tenors I was their musical
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director so I was at the piano and and a lot of times I'd be sitting there
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playing and I watch singers and I have a whole conversation going on in my head I would totally do that oh I wish i could do that i want to i love how he does and that that is the the genesis of what the show is it now i get
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to say the things in my head to all these great singers and then bring them out and i spend so much
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time with that project that moving out of it without opening my mouth i felt like i learned
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so much about being an artist a musician and a unique voice in this community
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I had goosebumps just hearing what you played because of course there's nothing better than
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Rodgers and Hammerstein and you come to think about it that you know music can like you said be
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reimagined in so many different ways when you have a gorgeous melody and gorgeous lyrics it's
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all about that and then you can do a little spin on it whatever you want to do for someone's vocals
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and your arrangements and it just takes us somewhere else I agree with you totally and you know
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Richard, one of the things I really love about it is, like you said, a Rogers and
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Hammerstein melody is a special thing. It's written in some senses so simply that it can take
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on sort of the jacket of so many different styles. And that's a really wonderful doorway
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to many different listeners. In Brampton, we are very multicultural. We have lots of
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different people and some of them haven't had a chance to see theater before. And so they come in
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and they're going, oh, I don't know if I want this thing, or I don't know if I want, they don't know what they want
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And so we sit down and we meet them at a place that they know
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It's a cultural-based thing. Someone might be singing soul music, but it's a melody from the 30s and the 40s
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I just, it really does inspire me to try and find those moments
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See, that's what I love about Brampton on stage. I spoke to many artists over the years from up there
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and I just love that you have this diverse theater community where people just go
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there to see all these different things. Shakespeare, new work, reimagined music
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I mean, it's just this whole cultural area where people, you know, come and enjoy all this
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I'm very excited about that. So what are some of the other numbers that you've chosen that you've curated for this version of reimagined
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Great question. I have a couple of favorites. So things that I've done in a few of the concerts where I just feel so at home with them that they act as like that, what I call anchors during the show
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If I'm a little bit sort of scattered or if I've looked around and see. someone I knew and I haven't seen them. This brings me sort of back to a place that's in my
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fingers and it's in my heart. My favorite one probably is over the rainbow. Over the Rainbow is a
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melody that I've never heard someone say, you shouldn't sing that. It's just got such a gorgeous
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arc to it. And again, you can play it in many different ways. So I'll start with that one. So I kind
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of have this vibe where I kind of try and set a tone
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Somewhere over the rainbow, blue birds fly
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Why then why can't I? And I love working with melodies. Somewhere over the rainbow skies, skies are blue
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And the dream will come true
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They really do come true. And so I bring it to this place where I feel like this train is chugging along
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And that rainbow has just shown up. You've seen a rainbow before. It shows up and it goes as quickly
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Just as you have time to go like, that is the most, gorgeous thing I've ever it's just sort of fading already and so like for me I think of over the
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rainbow and I think of like this sun sunrise kind of vibe so I bring the whole tone of it back and then
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I play a little bit side and I trust that that melody will will hook the ear and heart of the listener
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and then I just play and and I love I grew up as a choral singer and so in in choral music we have
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four parts we have soprano alto tenor and bass and so sopranos of course is the
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top and then alto's the middle. Tenor is sort of a lower range that's at the top and bass is at the
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bottom. Well, I grew up as an alto. And then when I turned into what was meant to be a tenor
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my choral guy would always come and say, you know what you need to be. I need you to sing alto still because we don't have enough altos. So I spent a lot of time singing. And I mean
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again, I did not love it when I was in grade 11 or 10 doing it. But little did I know that it opened up
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and strengthen the part of my voice that I didn't even know was beneficial to me
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And so when I'm singing all the way up there and delicate, I feel a lot of that
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There's resonance in my whole body, and it's just a full body experience. So something like Over the Rainbow gives me an opportunity not only to perform something I love
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but also to just have it in me and just enjoy. And so I think that when those two things come together, it's a win-win
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you know, we can enjoy it in the audience, but also I am moving through it going
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this is so great. I love this. Listen, that song was written in 1939 and so many incredible artists to this day continue to
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you know, reimagine and reinterpret that number. But again, it's the melody and the lyric
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I mean, very few people nowadays write melody and lyric. I mean, that's why you look back at, you know, the great creators who created songs
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pop songs and show songs. I mean, that real singers can sing that are not screeching to, you know, whatever
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I mean, I call screech singing now a lot. And people write for screech singing
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And I don't understand it. I love the people who continue to write for the voice
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Yeah, it's a skill set. Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, one of the beautiful things about Broadway is that it's, I've always believed that it's a mirror of the time that it lives in in a lot of those moments
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And so we look back at it. And actually, we're looking back at the lessons of our generations past
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And someone will look on this music in 20 years. And there will be an overarching reason or thought or belief as to why people
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wrote in that direction. And I'm cool with, don't get me wrong, I'll sing Passing and Paul all day
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I love it. But I also agree that if you're a baritone, it's going to be hard to sing Passac and Paul
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because they write for tenors. Meanwhile, you could take Old Man River and what we just played, you'll never walk alone
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and you can find a way for any voice to find beauty
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And I think there's something to be said for that classic treatment. So I'm on board
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I love melody. I think it's an important, and in some ways, classically, certainly
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a bit of a lost or rediscovered art. We're trying to find it back
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But you're absolutely right. They don't write them like they used to
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See, I know everybody writes for tenors, but like I said, give me a bass baritone anytime
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the day. And I'm like, that's my wheelhouse or whatever else. Now, you started your career at Brampton
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on stage right at the Rose Did you begin your career there Tell me about that and what you learned from that Absolutely So in fact the Rose Theater which is this crown jewel in Branton a beautiful performance space
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It's top of the line. Everything is beautiful in there. What predates that is a place called the Heritage Theater
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And it's where the basics, the beginnings of that arts and culture spirit was
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And that's where I started. So I'm older than the Rose. But when I was at the Heritage, we were doing shows
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One of my first shows was working on projects like, I Love You, Your Perfect Now Change, Songs for New World, shows that I had never heard of some of those shows before I had come to this content
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So Brampton was very forward-looking. Even back then, they were very forward-looking at putting content in front of people
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And I started as both a musical director and a performer. I was musical director for shows like I Love You're Perfect Now Change, and a funny thing happened on the way to the forum
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This is in the early 2000s, but I also got probably my most cherished memory with Brampton is I got to play the part of Man One in Songs for New World, which for me was a dream role. It's the part, quite frankly, that brought me to theater. And I'll tell you that story. I'm going to give you a quick one. So in the early 2000s, my older brother who works at the Shaw Festival in Niagara on the Lake, which is a major part of Canadian culture, they had a Saturday thing they did when all the artists would just kind of come to the basement
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It was a very speak, easy feel. And he called me one day and he said, hey, what are you doing tonight
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Nothing? Get over here. I'm not even going to tell you. Just get over here and be here for 10.30
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10.30 p.m. I thought, who does? There's no theater show start. Anyway, so we went over and I sat in the basement
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And at 1055, the lights went down. And a pianist came over and sat down and then four singers stood in front of me
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And it was the Toronto cast of Songs for New World. And they started and finished that show over the next 100 minutes or so
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And I had never heard of it. My brother purposely kind of set me up for it
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And when King of the World hit, which is maybe song 10 or 11 and in a 13 or 16 song cycle
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oh my goodness, I'd been hit by a cultural freight train. I didn't know what was up
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And that was the moment that I chose theater. And so these connections, so the connection of Branton taking me to the connection in Niagara
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and finding the show, these are all connected to the way that I found myself, quite frankly
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here today. I always knew I wanted to be in theater. a part of theater, be a part of bringing those lessons. But when I look back to the sort of
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you know, the line we all live as we find our way to the present, I just could have never
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guessed that a show like that would show up for me, that it would stick with me. I still
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if I see that performer, Tom Allison, Canadian royalty, if I see Tom Allison, I immediately think
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right back to being seven feet away from him as he performs King of the World. It's incredible what
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theater can do for us. Yeah. You know, you shared the stage performing with so many
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iconic people from Celine Dion to Stevie Wonder. I mean, what did you learn from them performing with
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them? I'm sure those some big pinch me moments when you're like, oh my gosh, I'm on the bill with
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them. Then all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, that's Celine Dion, that's Stevie Wonder
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What did you take away from them? That's a great question. I think the major thing that I always was
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so surprised by is that they're human beings. I thought of them for ages
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as eight feet tall statues of these legendary people, and they are absolutely
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But what it showed me is that we all have some part of that wonderful opportunity
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So meeting Stevie Wonder is probably the crown jewel of my professional life
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He is the person that I've looked up to since I was just a child. And I knew it was Stevie because actually I wasn't told he was Stevie in advance
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I actually was given this job. So I was going to do the gig. and there was all these, the show American Idol had a tour on the road
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And so they had five or six of their contenders coming in, and we were going to music direct a round of Lean on me
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And so they said, hey, Darren, you're going to be in with the boys. Can you spend a couple hours, make an arrangement, get it ready
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and then just deliver it as the musician to all of them? Absolutely
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So I spent two or three days getting charts and figuring out the names of people and how their voices fit
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and put it all together. And the day before the gig, I got an email. And they said, hey, thanks for all the world
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you've done, we don't need it anymore. We're good. We're actually going to cancel the set
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I was heartbroken. And I wrote back and I said, it's cool, but here's some of the charts in
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case you found someone that fits the bill better. And I just got an email back that said, actually
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we canceled you because Stevie Wonder's coming in. And I went, if I'm going to lose a gig
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I'm cool to lose it to Stevie Wonder. And so I lost the gig to Stevie Wonder. And then the next day when I
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saw him and got a chance to spend a few minutes with him and see what he does, I just thought
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we are amongst people that changed the world, you know, what's around them, the projects
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they build, the songs they write, the culture they bring along with them are things that you
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could never control the amount of human beings, the amount of souls, the amount of spirits that
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they touch. And that was the biggest takeaway is that there's an opportunity in the arts to be
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one of those people. You may not be Celine Dion, you may not be Stevie-1
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but you can certainly strive in the general direction, and that is a positive outcome
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Well, that leads me into talk about your passion as a mentor, educator, and how COVID
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reignited that passion for you. Thanks. Thanks for asking. So I was on the road for 10 years leading up to COVID
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And like everyone in this industry, I have a specific kind of moment that I know COVID
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started for me, and that was the week before Canada started shutting down a lot of
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its borders. And that was a show we were going to do in Vancouver at a hospital. And the hospital
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canceled because they had some unfortunate numbers that they were finding. And they didn't feel
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in good faith, doing a concert and announcing these things. And so I got that call. And then the next
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several months, like many artists, was four walls. It was just four walls for days and weeks and
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months. And when I was down in the depths of, like, what am I doing? What am I doing? I don't even know
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I've been playing music every day for 10 years in this beautiful frenetic pace
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What am I going to do? I got a call from an old friend, which speaks so much to the importance of the people we surround ourselves with
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And this is a friend I hadn't talked to in a decade, not regularly. And this friend said, you know, I have this theater company, and there's 30 children who are used to coming into vocal lessons every week
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We can't do it. We don't have the means. We don't have the technology. you're a musician but you're also techie
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Could you figure it out so that you could meet them every week on Zoom and do a thing
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And I thought, oh man, I didn't know if I was ready to get back to this
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But this is the present that we're in. So I did one, and that's all it took
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I did that one and I saw these kids how they were pining for music
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how if I played a little, you know, all of a sudden they were lift
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Oh, I know that song. So I immediately changed my mindset. to how can I be of value in this time, you know, and I found that we had so many people
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myself included, that were doing things like Instagram concerts and, you know, fundraising on online
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And I was doing it as well because it fed us. But doing this with young people gave me an
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opportunity to trust that I was pushing out some positivity and I was hooked. I had done it
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years ago and I forgot about what it felt like and I had done all these wonderful things that
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filled my cup and I felt ready. to be the pouring instead of the receiving And I just I went all the way and I found children You know I heard stories from my students over the next two years of positive value that
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I could have with them. Things like kids having hard times being locked in rooms and looking forward to those 30
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minutes they got to spend with just hearing and singing. And the value of music just skyrocketed in my mind
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I couldn't believe how valuable the arts and culture were. I had seen it from the other side
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being on a stage, you know, with 14 or 15,000 people in an audience and hearing the love and feeling the love was a very satisfying thing
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But hearing one child or one parent even come on one day and go, you know, Kay hasn't had a smile on her face for six and a half days
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And she's been so sad, you know, and I'd like to see her find her way back to having a good day
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And you found a way, I don't even know what you did, but she came out of the lesson happy. And I thought, that's something I could get on board with
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And that led me to start what I call the Gratitude Project, which is I like to have children doing projects that they can be proud of, projects that they can put out
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And so we did a few of them in the pandemic where they weren't even, they had spent a minute with each other
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They were filming at home and doing home video style and we were putting it together in a project
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And they had a purpose. And I carried that through. And that's the beginning of what I started to think like, we can take art and put an education in it
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without educating. Actually, I said that backwards. We can educate people, but not make it feel like
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education. That's what I meant to say. And I found real value in that. And Maria imagined takes that
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what gratitude project started, and it kind of gives me an opportunity to put wonderful, positive
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stories and experiences, hardships that led to, you know, real important decisions, putting some real
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life backing behind what it takes to succeed, what it takes to feel like failure and find your
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way out of it, and wrap them in arts and culture, which I think all of the things we've been
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talking about, you know, education, reimagining music, finding the stories and lessons in
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Broadway. These are all things that I'm proud to kind of put in front of me and push at whatever
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pace I'm able to push it. I love it. Now, I know you have a lot of future projects. I know you have a
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big one coming up, which you may not be able to talk about, but would you mention one of your future projects? I sure can. Yeah. So for me, of course, the Roe, the Reimagined concert is a
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beginning of a project. I look to shape it. With Mrs. Brampton, we're given the space
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artistically to give it some time to figure itself out. Sometimes you don't know where the soul
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or stories lie until the audience can take them. And so that's the process I'm doing with
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reimagined. It's something that I think we can really find ways. to communicate with multiple audiences, whether it be in Canada, there's potential for us going outside of Canada
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But there's also some new music that I'm a part of. You know, I have a couple of projects. One, I can't give you tons of details about them. I know it's so cryptic, but I've gotten into composition and writing over the last number of years as well. And after writing some content, I really realized that I have something to say. And so the real challenge when you're composing, when you're writing, is finding people that you can collaborate with the
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that the mold can continually change, but you have that wonderful thing in the middle
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that you believe in. And so the cryptic side of it is, I'm finding people in Canada that are sensational at what they do
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And it gives me the opportunity to chase that sensational feeling. And that's what my 2025 will comprise of
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is surrounding myself with people that I couldn't believe I get an opportunity
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to be in a room with and create content that when it pushes out, it will feed things like
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I love my classical background. I love the piano as an instrument
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but I also love creative instrumentation. You know, when you watch something that you didn't realize
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that that instrument was so important to you, I love that creation
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And so 2025 will bring me an opportunity in theater to write
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to create a piece with someone, with a couple of people, actually, that I'm super proud to be even in the room with
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And when those names come out and I get to see my name beside them, I really feel like I'll be like
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that's what I worked for, to have people like that support and work with me and let me support
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them in the creation of new content. I also have, so my son is very musical. And who knew that
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some of the most creative stuff comes at a single digit kids? He's been writing and he loves
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he loves things like Minecraft and YouTube. And he has such a wonderful
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mind and who knew that he could write music? Who knew? And so we have a project that we're actually
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working on together where we write content. And he is so young that he has no idea how to record
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things. And he has no idea how to do these things. But that's where I come in. So I get to tap
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into his genius and find a way to put those things in the works. And the first two that we did
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I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that they came out of his mind. We listened to these
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songs, these demos, getting them from like, you know, seed to studio. And we thought, I don't
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know if this is going to work. And he just kept going, Dad, you know, this is not what I'm trying to say. I want to do this one, you know, and so we wrote, and it's actually really accessible to
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young people. And it's something that I'm really proud of because as we spoke about, education
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is the beginning of everything. And to be able to do that with my son is a fulfilling thing
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and at a, well, obviously at a DNA level, but also in my bones. I just feel the positivity come out of that
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And then his little sister gets to be a part of it as well. So that project, who knew that that project had legs, but it does
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and we'll have some legs that we can actually be proud of and work on in 2025. And then, of course, Reimagined has a sound that we're trying to develop
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And so capturing where they come above water and we want to have them be representers
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or lighthouses for the rest of our concerts. That's the last part of my project
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And so we'll have, excuse me, we'll have an EP coming out in the next year or so
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but it's writing already and the demos are going to be out by the end of this year where we can see how does this fit
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And when Robert, for example, sings, you'll never walk alone. What does that bring out
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Can we extrapolate that a little bit? And so all these incredible artists, excuse me
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we'll have a chance to reimagine these songs and bring life to them
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And then I'd love for those things to be something to, you know, find legs that someone might find later and go, oh, that's exactly what I was looking for
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That's the goal. I love that. Yeah. Thank you. No, I love it. We're just about out of time
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But I want to say once again, Darren D'Souza will be performing his new show
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This is Brampton, reimagined, a concert curated by him, which will take place at the Rose on October 18th at 8 p.m
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For tickets, please go to Tickets.brampton.ca. Jared, do you want to play us out
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I absolutely do. How about one of our favorites? 525,600 minutes, 525,000 moments to play
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525,600 minutes. How do you measure the life of a woman or man
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In the truth that she learned, or in times that he cried
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and the bridges he burned or the way that she died. Thanks, Richard. I appreciate you so much
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Thanks for everything you do here. Thank you very much, everybody. We'll see you at the theater and go see his show
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Take care, everybody, and we'll see you at the theater
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