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Hey everybody, what's going on? We're
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here doing some sort of podcast on Broad
0:05
Street Hockey. It doesn't have a name.
0:06
It doesn't have to have a name because
0:08
we just wanted to get out here and talk
0:10
some puck before the Flyers came back
0:12
from their Olympic break. But how's
0:14
everybody doing today? My name is Steve
0:17
Chico. I'm going to be your host. Uh I
0:19
almost said director of fun and games.
0:20
That is exclusively Bill Matz's title.
0:23
>> See, like I
0:24
>> I'm surprised that no one else has done
0:26
that.
0:27
>> No, it's it's all
0:28
>> you can't you can't do it. You you can't
0:30
>> no but like done like a done like a very
0:33
>> obvious impersonation of it but like you
0:35
know switch the word out
0:36
>> when I fill in for Bill I will call
0:39
myself the assistant to the director of
0:41
fun and games. Uh very Dwight Shrudy
0:43
kind of uh it was just like for some
0:45
reason like I was thinking something
0:47
along those lines. But uh yeah. Hey
0:49
guess what I'm hosting this crap so
0:51
let's talk about it. But uh joining me
0:52
today we're going to go around the
0:54
square here uh Brady Bunch style. We got
0:57
the host of the BSH podcast, Ryan
0:59
Gilbert. How you doing today, Gilbs?
1:01
>> I'm doing good. I'm doing enjoying my
1:03
last day before the Flyers come back to
1:05
hurt me again. I can't wait.
1:07
>> Oh, it's terrifying thinking about that.
1:08
And we're going to get into those
1:09
feelings. We got a lot of big feelings
1:11
right now. Uh Brucey, my dog over here,
1:14
gets big feelings and he'll bite like
1:15
one of his toys. And that's how I kind
1:17
of feel right now. Um, also joining me
1:20
from the BSH Pod, we got Joe Dear
1:22
Italian and Joe, Mr. Bean himself. How
1:25
you doing today, Joe? I'm doing great.
1:27
Uh, we got a bunch of snow, but it's a
1:29
snow day for me because I work in
1:31
education, so we're all at home today.
1:34
Yay.
1:35
>> I stayed home, too. I just said to the
1:36
boss like, "Nah, nah,
1:38
>> nah, no, no." Um, [laughter] and uh,
1:41
honestly, I'm a little excited for the
1:43
Flyers this week. Oh my goodness.
1:46
>> You're still You're still You're still a
1:47
young baby fan, Joe. You're still a
1:49
young fan.
1:49
>> Sick.
1:50
>> Ready to be heard again. That's Joe over
1:52
here.
1:52
>> I'm so jealous. And also joining us from
1:55
the great white north, it's Jacob
1:57
Russell. Jacob, how we doing today?
1:59
>> I'm just going to preempt this. Um, I'm
2:02
still not over the Blue Jays losing the
2:04
World Series. This hasn't like I'm still
2:07
I'm I haven't really I'm not able to
2:10
process this yet. Um, I'm still thinking
2:12
about Isaiah Connor Falefa. [laughter]
2:14
>> Um,
2:16
>> so I'm still think about Sir Anthony
2:18
Dominguez. If it made Well, I'm always
2:21
thinking about
2:22
>> I know it makes four of us.
2:24
>> Yeah,
2:24
>> Big Dumper.
2:26
>> Oh man, I
2:27
>> It wasn't even Big Dumper. It wasn't
2:29
even Big Dumper. I respect Big Dumper.
2:31
It's It Anyways, yeah. So, the Olympic
2:33
I'm not getting into the X's and O's
2:35
here. Okay. It's not going to happen.
2:37
>> If it makes you feel better, I'm still
2:39
processing the Phillies and the Blue
2:41
Jays from 1993. So, that's, you know, I
2:43
I don't forget anything like a bear. I
2:46
just don't forget things.
2:48
>> I Yeah. I just, you know.
2:49
>> Is that Yeah. Is that a bear?
2:50
>> And how how old were you? Were you like
2:52
seven,
2:54
>> my guy? I was 9 years old.
2:56
>> Were you? Oh, that that that's
2:58
>> I'm an old man. And uh I don't Yeah, I
3:00
guess a bear for I don't know. I'm I'm
3:02
completely scattered, but you know. Hey,
3:04
I don't forget things. Uh especially
3:06
hurtful Philadelphia sports memories. So
3:09
Oh, uh elephant. That's what I was
3:10
thinking of. It was a big
3:12
>> elephant. I was wondering what the bear
3:14
was about. I was
3:15
>> I don't know. I just threw a metaphor
3:17
out there and I'm getting them all
3:18
mixed. So,
3:19
>> who cares?
3:19
>> Doesn't doesn't forget anything except
3:21
metaphors.
3:22
>> Yeah, the bear just remembers hurt.
3:24
That's what it is. I I made that up. I
3:26
made that up just now. And that's my new
3:27
thing. I'm pushing it forward. I'm
3:29
making it a thing. There [laughter] we
3:31
go. Bears don't forget hurt. That's the
3:33
song I'm working on right now. But we're
3:35
already getting into nonsense. And uh I
3:37
don't want this one to get derailed like
3:39
a typical flyerbo, so we're not going to
3:41
get into that. But uh real quick before
3:43
we get started, uh thanks to our
3:45
sponsors over at FanDuel for sponsoring
3:47
this show. We do appreciate you very
3:49
much. And let's start. We're going to
3:51
start by talking about a topic that
3:53
Jacob is uh not going to want to talk
3:54
about too much. So if he just starts
3:56
playing 2K in the background or
3:58
something, uh please forgive him. Uh
3:59
sorry, not sorry on that front. But
4:02
we're going to talk briefly about the
4:03
Olympics because that's why the Flyers
4:06
haven't played in weeks at this point.
4:08
And despite whatever and we're going to
4:10
stick with the hockey, there's a lot. It
4:12
is a a true firestorm of controversy
4:16
right now involving our US Olympians
4:19
right now. And I could say a lot on
4:21
that. And if you want to pay me like
4:23
five bucks to say it on a Patreon, maybe
4:25
I'll do that. But I'm not going to say
4:27
it on our podcast feed uh because I
4:29
could go on about it. But we're going to
4:31
stick with the hockey and uh the
4:33
Olympics despite the lack of Russia in
4:36
there. Uh despite I think again the
4:40
firestorm element to it and despite that
4:43
really tiny rink that they had there
4:46
really just a itsybitsy hockey rink that
4:48
they built there game was a three on
4:50
three overtime.
4:51
>> Sydney Crosby's golden goal was four on
4:53
four.
4:54
>> Yeah
4:55
>> I Why are we playing four on four or
4:57
three on three? Five on five is good
4:59
hockey. We can play five on five. It's
5:00
okay. So, yes, to get into that, uh, it
5:03
was a heck of a gold medal game with the
5:05
US beating Canada, but there are
5:08
controversies about the fact that it
5:10
ended up being threeon-ree, but as uh,
5:13
Gilb pointed out, it was four on four.
5:15
When Crosby scored the golden goal right
5:18
there and regardless, it was a good
5:21
game. Canada missed a lot of
5:23
opportunities. Oh my god, they that I've
5:26
never seen a game of best on best that
5:28
has ever been that dominant in one way
5:30
and had one goal in it.
5:32
>> There there were there were a good
5:33
chance the states probably should have
5:34
had three or four on their own.
5:36
>> Yeah.
5:37
>> But Canada could have had seven. I mean
5:41
specifically I think the one that
5:42
everybody remembers is the Devonte goal
5:46
that goal that didn't happen where he
5:48
was
5:49
>> in post in post
5:51
>> McDavid breakaway celebrini breakaway
5:53
celbrini in the slot three in a row.
5:56
>> Taves though is as close as you can get
5:59
without scoring a goal. Like that is a
6:01
slam dunk saving chest in the crease.
6:05
>> Yeah, the boy was huge. I it is it it I
6:08
was watching that believing that there
6:10
is some divine presence that was present
6:13
in that in that arena. I like
6:16
>> I have no idea if like
6:19
made
6:19
>> he he is a choker like known choker
6:22
Conor Hellbuck
6:23
>> he was good
6:23
>> brought it out.
6:25
>> He was great. He was great.
6:26
>> That was one of the best performances
6:28
you'll ever see by a goalender in a big
6:29
game.
6:29
>> Yeah.
6:30
>> You want to call it the uh divine
6:31
presence. I think it's more the hounds
6:33
of Hella that really kind of saved him.
6:36
That paddle save was unbelievable. Like
6:38
what are you going to do?
6:39
>> That was unreal. I mean that's just one
6:40
where you just reach back and and I
6:43
can't blame really even blame TA about
6:45
it. You just the net's open. He just
6:47
puts his paddle in the right spot and
6:48
it's there.
6:49
>> Yeah.
6:50
>> Wow.
6:50
>> But it was a crazy game especially
6:53
waking up. Uh Jacob, are you on East
6:56
Coast time or are you uh
6:58
>> uh Yeah, I'm East Coast. I'm same as you
7:00
guys. Yeah.
7:00
>> Okay, cool. So, like it's a I had a
7:02
buddy who lives in Seattle who I was
7:04
like, "Uh, yeah, I don't think you're
7:06
waking up for that game in time."
7:07
Because it was an 800 a.m. East Coast
7:09
time. I barely woke up for it. Uh, I
7:12
started cooking a bunch of bacon and I
7:13
sat down to watch the game for 30
7:15
seconds and my dog jumped up on the
7:18
counter and ate all the raw bacon I
7:19
hadn't cooked yet,
7:21
>> Bruce.
7:21
>> Like, I sat down. I'm watching it and I
7:23
hear from uh the kitchen. I hear
7:26
[laughter]
7:27
>> what the what is that?
7:28
>> You got to take what you can get. You
7:29
got to take your chances.
7:30
>> I get up and he is slurping it down like
7:32
spaghetti. That raw bacon. Thankfully,
7:34
[laughter] he seemed to process it well,
7:36
but I was not happy. I was like, "Oh, I
7:38
was going to make eggs and bacon like on
7:40
potato roll sandwiches. It would have
7:41
been great. Had some Cooper Sharp. It
7:43
would have been delic."
7:45
But I had far less bacon. But it was
7:48
nice to watch some AM hockey, but I I
7:51
would have preferred it later in the day
7:52
for the stakes at hand. But what are you
7:55
going to do about that? But a heck of a
7:57
game, a heck of a goal from from Jack
8:00
Hughes over there who had taken a pretty
8:02
bad penalty earlier in the game. So, one
8:04
of those redemption stories right there.
8:06
And uh yeah, that chip tooth is an
8:09
iconic photo. And that's about all I
8:11
want to say on that gentleman right
8:13
there. But uh
8:14
>> I don't respect Jack Hughes. [laughter]
8:16
>> We don't
8:17
>> I don't respect the New Jersey Devils.
8:19
>> We don't respect the New York.
8:20
>> You don't have to. We don't.
8:21
>> I respect Quinn.
8:23
I respect the true talent in that
8:25
family. Absolutely.
8:26
>> Quinn, I wanted Quinn to score if
8:28
anybody.
8:28
>> I mean, Bennington had that great save
8:30
on him like a a minute. I mean, half
8:32
>> I thought that was I thought that was
8:32
the game. I thought
8:33
>> I thought that was the game, too.
8:34
>> And then
8:36
>> No, I was going to say you're right.
8:38
Bennington redemption arc. He was not
8:40
the problem with Team Canada. He is not
8:42
bringing him to Philadelphia and
8:43
continue that. Let's get him in.
8:45
>> Okay, let's get into it. Let's Let's
8:46
move on. Let's go. Let's go to the
8:47
Bennington train.
8:49
>> Okay. I want to I want I want to talk
8:50
about the three-on-ree goal and just how
8:52
just the the coasting on defense from
8:54
Conor McDavid not picking up Hughes uh
8:57
Maren McKinnon going over aggressive.
9:00
They had a horrible overtime.
9:01
>> McDavid going oneon-ree and against
9:03
Hleuck. Like take that around the net.
9:05
Be patient. Like it was just
9:07
>> I I do respect the teams for not playing
9:09
possum in overtime uh throughout the
9:12
whole
9:13
>> It was like it was great on three way
9:15
better than what we've seen in the NHL
9:17
at all.
9:17
>> Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have done that at
9:18
all. It's a lot more exciting than than
9:20
the average NHL three-on-ree overtime.
9:22
Obviously, it kind of makes sense that
9:23
it was. There's no uh Sean Couturier
9:25
minutes out there. [laughter] So, um
9:27
>> Well, you can't put Matt Vay Mishkov out
9:29
there. What are you crazy?
9:31
>> Yeah. Lugging that lugging that caboose
9:33
up and down the ice.
9:34
>> That old fat V over here, [laughter]
9:36
Roton man.
9:38
>> But, but yeah, McDavid took a lot of
9:40
really low percentage shots. McKinnon
9:42
did the same. I was actually with
9:43
another guy named Jacob. Uh we were in a
9:45
we were in a bar in uh Mont Trromblanc
9:47
like we're at the ski resort and um so I
9:50
was at a ski resort uh and there's all
9:54
Canadians in that bar and the other bar
9:55
since it is American reading week
9:57
there's a lot more Americans because
9:59
it's very inexpensive for them to go up
10:01
there allegedly I've been told. Not a
10:03
big into the ski culture. I'm not
10:05
exactly sure how that works but
10:06
apparently
10:06
>> I don't know anything about [laughter]
10:07
it.
10:07
>> That's apparently a thing that they all
10:09
go up there. So, um, when when you're in
10:13
there, um, we were talking before the
10:15
overtime and he was like, I don't
10:16
actually want them to put McKinnon out
10:17
there because he's too much of a freight
10:19
train. And he just is like this
10:20
hard-headed guy. He's like, I'm going to
10:22
do it right now. And and it's the same
10:25
with McDavid, right? They want to do it
10:26
right then and there when like that's
10:28
not how you play threeon-ree overtime at
10:30
all. If you can do that at five on five,
10:32
right? If you can get, you know, those
10:34
shots at five on five and you have back
10:36
pressure that's available, um, then
10:39
maybe
10:39
>> I think someone pointed out after the
10:42
game that the ABS are like three and
10:44
nine in three on three
10:45
>> overtime. They're bad at it and they
10:47
have a bad power play, too, actually,
10:48
which is really funny.
10:49
>> Both McKinnon and Mar were on the ice
10:52
>> and Tae played, I believe, in the
10:54
threeon three as well.
10:54
>> Yeah, I think I saw him out there.
10:56
>> I don't think
10:57
>> Marty Nas is the real powerhouse on that
10:59
team. We all know it. Yeah, Nes is a
11:02
fantastic hockey.
11:02
>> He is really good. He is really Yeah.
11:04
Yeah. I think Tant Tes may have took the
11:05
opening face off or not like been out
11:07
there for the opening face off for
11:09
Canada, which was back extremely.
11:13
Yeah. You got to get out there.
11:14
>> Not to be too much of a Flyers homer
11:16
here, but like Travis Sanheim was moving
11:18
the puck really well.
11:20
>> He had a great gold medal game.
11:22
>> He
11:23
seinal too. Yeah, he was he was good.
11:26
>> Don't ask Thomas Durant, but he was
11:27
pretty good. Oh my god, that DR one
11:29
where he called him a defensive
11:30
defenseman. What are we talking about?
11:32
What are we Am I watching hockey the
11:34
same as other people are? I don't
11:35
understand.
11:36
>> Yeah, especially you call him that after
11:38
he has a first period in the Finland
11:40
game where he had multiple opportunities
11:42
at the goalfront where he was dishing
11:45
out great feeds that the guys either
11:47
couldn't finish or just good defensive
11:48
plays were made against him.
11:50
>> None of these guys are like fully None
11:52
of these guys are like fully defensive
11:53
defenseman. Like no, maybe Jacob Slavven
11:56
I guessman
11:58
but
11:58
>> the funny thing about is more of a
12:00
defensive defenseman than San is drafted
12:04
as an offensive defenseman who's turned
12:06
into a hybrid. I was talking with
12:07
Charlie Oconor about this the other day
12:09
and you know like he was drafted as an
12:11
offensive guy and he's turned into a
12:13
hybrid guy but he's got some real skills
12:16
on the offensive end. You just don't see
12:17
it all the time because he's playing
12:19
like 26 minutes a night. Yeah. So, when
12:21
he's only playing like 15 minutes and
12:22
he's got more energy where he can just
12:24
slide in there, he's way better. Who
12:25
would have thought?
12:26
>> I was just screaming. I had a beer in my
12:28
hand just screaming, "Activate,
12:29
activate."
12:31
>> While we're dragging uh Deon Taves, I
12:33
want to shout out Kurt Kurt R from Bro
12:35
Street Hockey. He had a great sket
12:37
saying that Deon Taves was basically the
12:38
Chris Kunits because he was he was only
12:40
there because Kale Macar was there and
12:42
yeah, and they were paired together and
12:44
like I mean you can argue Schaefer
12:46
should be there. You can argue some
12:48
other guys should be there, but Devin
12:49
Taves getting kind of walked there by
12:52
Matt Baldy making a great play on the
12:54
opening goal and not scoring there in
12:56
the crease on a great save from Malabuck
12:58
just that's got to stick in the minds of
13:01
uh the team building there for Canada.
13:03
>> Yeah. And I got to say that that's my
13:05
number one I didn't mean to cut you off
13:07
there, Joe, but I was going to say
13:08
that's my number one bone to pick with
13:10
the fallout from this game is everybody
13:12
acting like Bill Garin was some sort of
13:14
genius. by everybody. I mean, I saw one
13:16
athletic post and I was like,
13:17
>> he put together a team that got badly
13:19
outplayed in the gold medal game.
13:22
>> I saw baseball Canada like should get
13:25
[Β __Β ] on for this because Bill Garren
13:27
made some terrible decisions. Jason
13:28
Robertson 100% should have been on that
13:30
team.
13:31
>> Oh yeah,
13:31
>> he probably wouldn't have played just
13:32
like Kyle Connor. Like Kyle Connor would
13:34
Kyle Connor not playing
13:36
like
13:37
>> even not taking even not taking Mark
13:39
Schiffley. Guys like
13:40
>> listen, you got to play Brock Nelson
13:42
when you get the chance.
13:43
>> Brock Nelson's good. Okay. I I I He's
13:45
fine. I I I
13:45
>> unfortunately he is good.
13:46
>> He has 30 He has 30 30-ish goals this
13:48
year.
13:49
>> I regretfully have to admit that he is
13:51
pretty good.
13:51
>> Brock Nelson's good. Brock Nelson is no
13:53
longer an Islander, so we don't have to
13:54
hate him. But yeah, I saw JT Miller or
13:57
Vincent Troche. One of those guys was
13:59
like, "Oh, people were talking how we
14:00
should have made the team. Look at us
14:01
now."
14:02
>> Troch.
14:04
Maybe not Tro. No, Troek was out there.
14:06
He was a key penalty.
14:09
>> You guys got caved in. You guys got
14:10
caved in all game long. Your line
14:12
especially. Shut up.
14:14
>> Shut up.
14:15
>> You could say that to a lot of the
14:16
players. Shut up.
14:17
>> Speaking of players that Bill Garren
14:19
didn't bring,
14:20
>> the Johnny Gdro tribute was really nice,
14:22
but do we think Johnny Gadro would have
14:24
made that team USA?
14:25
>> We can't discuss. We can't discuss that.
14:28
>> Joe, he would have made the team.
14:29
>> This is like that's that's actually more
14:31
hater hater than I even went and I'm
14:34
like hate the actual hater.
14:35
>> Joe, we're not we we're not even going
14:37
to entertain that discussion because he
14:39
would have made it. He would have been
14:40
the number one boy. We love Johnny.
14:42
>> Correct. He would have made it.
14:43
>> He was in He's in the Kachchuck circle.
14:45
So he would have made it and he would
14:46
have played.
14:47
>> Morenski.
14:48
>> He's one of one of those guys.
14:50
>> Ken the Hughes and Larkin. Larkin Larkin
14:52
had a great great Olympics. He's
14:54
awesome.
14:55
>> He's someone who like Lin is a one seat.
14:58
Larkin is is the like like the one se
15:00
that people want. People
15:02
>> wasted Lin's career. Like it's not
15:05
they're there.
15:06
>> To this point they have.
15:07
>> Turn it up.
15:07
>> Yeah.
15:08
>> To this point they have. Larkin is a
15:10
great player. I love I traded for him in
15:12
an NHL franchise season because for some
15:14
reason Detroit made him available and
15:16
I'm like yes I will take Dylan Lin to be
15:18
my one seat. But yeah, Larkin was
15:20
fantastic throughout. There were guys
15:21
who really stood out and uh I was glad
15:23
Sanheim got to stand out a little bit.
15:25
Uh you know I think Risto, we're going
15:28
to talk about him in a moment. He really
15:30
had a great tournament. He did.
15:32
>> Before we get to that best games of the
15:34
tournament. So the US Canada one was
15:36
really good but [clears throat] again
15:37
there was that huge shot differential.
15:39
Canada should have won it. I agree with
15:40
Nate Mack there. Nathan McKinnon was
15:42
right. They should have won it. They
15:44
just couldn't bury it. But
15:45
>> I thought the US didn't really
15:47
participate in that many great games
15:48
outside of that. But the previous two
15:50
Canada games were fantastic.
15:53
>> They were very good games. Czecha um
15:56
brought it against Canada. They were
15:57
absolutely fantastic. Lucas was snapping
16:00
it back.
16:01
>> That was actually
16:02
>> the in terms of like the teams. Yeah,
16:05
that was more evenly matched. Radco out
16:07
there ending Cindy Crosby's career.
16:10
>> That was cra I I need Can I give give me
16:12
like 15 seconds? How is Radco
16:15
continuously allowed to do this?
16:17
>> How is nobody Nobody is
16:19
>> It was a clean It was a clean.
16:21
>> No, no, no, no, no. He knows what he's
16:23
doing. He hits and lands to injure. He
16:26
will roll like he's an alligator and
16:28
like wrap people up. I'm not saying it's
16:30
necessarily It's not necessarily like um
16:33
he should be suspended or anything like
16:34
that. like he got the penalty or
16:36
whatever later in the game um and then
16:38
that led to the to the goal. But I'm
16:41
just surprised that like as a punitive
16:44
justice system that the NHL purports
16:46
itself to be sometimes all these tough
16:47
guys Radco has been able to bash people
16:50
over the head with his stick, slooh foot
16:53
them, run through the goalie, hold like
16:56
the glove of a Leaf hold the stick of a
16:58
Leaf defender and then they win.
17:00
>> It's come back to the Leafs.
17:02
>> No, I don't I hate the Leafs. I hate the
17:03
Leafs. [laughter]
17:05
But but but I just surprised that
17:07
Radcoas is like still like allowed in
17:11
the league as like a guy that isn't
17:13
being targeted.
17:15
>> You know, you know the best part? He
17:16
does it all with a smile, too. And
17:17
everyone loves him. Everyone loves
17:18
Ratcoas.
17:19
>> He does it with a smile. He can't fight.
17:21
>> I love Radco. No, he can't fight at all.
17:23
He's a fighter. He has no balance on his
17:25
feet.
17:25
>> I was at the game where he got Superman
17:27
punch.
17:27
>> Was it BXA?
17:29
>> Superman, right? Yeah.
17:30
>> Yeah.
17:31
>> Oh, and that was before he got really
17:32
bad. Brad Kudas. I was at that game. I
17:35
was in the upper level
17:36
>> and I was like, "All right, we got to
17:38
fight like right nice and early. Let's
17:40
go." And he lines up and he goes down
17:42
with one punch and I'm like, "Did he
17:43
fall?"
17:44
>> Like, I didn't understand. And then I
17:45
saw the pictures later. I'm like, "No,
17:47
[laughter] he got knocked the [Β __Β ] out."
17:48
>> Yeah. Yeah. He There was a There was a
17:50
feature on Sportsnet recently with Kevin
17:51
Bexa for like a cross promo with the UFC
17:54
and he was talking about like
17:58
modeling his Superman punch off of off
18:00
of George St. Pierre and like he would
18:02
train at an MMA gym like
18:06
Radco can't stand up.
18:09
>> Well, here's the thing.
18:09
>> Like he could get pushed over
18:11
>> when somehow
18:13
>> Radco is a forever Flyer because he
18:16
injured Sydney Crosby. And if the Flyers
18:17
have any hope of getting back in the
18:19
playoff race, losing Crosby is one way
18:21
to make this Paul out of the playoff.
18:24
>> Joe, we're getting save that. Say that
18:27
one more one more Olympic thing.
18:29
Speaking of the Czecha Canada game, what
18:32
would the outrage have been if that
18:34
Czecha goal was the winning goal and
18:36
they had six guys on the ice for it?
18:39
>> They had six playing though afterwards.
18:42
>> Yeah, like
18:43
>> that was crazy. And the check
18:46
guys.
18:49
>> There needs to be like somebody watching
18:51
every game. Like pay someone 20 bucks an
18:54
hour. Watch every game. Check every zone
18:57
entry. Like have a ref not like an off
19:00
ice official that can actually make
19:01
calls.
19:02
>> I did that. They don't listen.
19:04
>> No, I know they I know you did that.
19:06
Like like if you if you can do it and
19:07
people like us can do it, they can
19:09
charge they can get officials to do that
19:10
cuz like
19:11
>> they should have the the video review in
19:14
this tournament. I hated it. The the
19:16
golden goal. I was like, "All right, let
19:18
me make sure this not wasn't off sides
19:20
or something like you can't celebrate
19:21
right away like the no go no uh video
19:25
reviews awful. Three on three in the
19:27
Olympics is awful.
19:29
>> And I would also say the pool play was
19:31
awful as well. There's no reason the
19:33
pool play did not matter whatsoever
19:35
because everyone got to the
19:36
>> quarterfinals. It mattered a little bit
19:38
because who
19:40
>> the states had an easier route than than
19:41
Canada did. Not until until the Swedes.
19:44
Until
19:45
>> who had to play an extra game? Finland
19:47
or no Sweden did. Sweden had to play an
19:49
extra game.
19:49
>> Yes. Yeah.
19:50
>> And like that that those minutes add up.
19:52
They had to play backtoback going into
19:53
the quarterfinals, then three and four
19:55
for the semi-finals. Those add up. I do
19:57
want to say the USA Sweden game was
19:59
pretty good as well. One thing until the
20:02
final minute. People like highscoring
20:03
games, but
20:04
>> you look at these Olympics, it shows why
20:07
lowcoring games can be just as exciting.
20:09
>> Yeah.
20:09
>> Yeah. Absolutely.
20:11
>> It's so tight. You don't have any space.
20:12
And on the smaller rank, you really like
20:15
>> Yeah. The
20:17
>> It's fun. Like the the Fins
20:20
I you say that Canada had a tougher
20:23
route. They made it tougher on
20:25
themselves against the checks and the
20:27
Fins like the last but they're better
20:31
than the Slovakian.
20:32
>> I just Yeah, I just think the Slovakians
20:33
with with with Clavage in net and like
20:37
not really like them being in the
20:38
semi-finals. Credit to them, but it it
20:40
is just kind of one of those where
20:42
you're like, uh, there should be another
20:43
team here maybe that would have been
20:46
part of the field.
20:47
>> Yeah. And US that was the one team the
20:49
US really wiped the floor with because
20:51
it was such a mismatch. whereas like
20:52
>> well yeah and they're tired too at that
20:54
point as well it's been the whole
20:56
tournament
20:56
>> like Finland had a very good team like I
20:58
I really
20:59
>> I think Finland beats Canada with
21:01
Bararkov
21:02
>> I was I was going to say the same thing
21:03
I was going to say the same thing. Yeah,
21:04
I'd absolutely 100% agree with it there.
21:06
>> The the Fins, I love watching those
21:09
European teams play cuz they know there
21:11
is a bit of a talent disparity between
21:12
the US and Canada, but they play such a
21:15
structured and disciplined game. And it
21:18
is kind of beautiful to watch like how
21:20
synchronized those European teams are in
21:23
these international competitions because
21:24
they have to try and like contain these
21:26
star players on from the North American
21:29
teams. It's
21:30
>> and they're
21:31
>> they're the ones that really I think had
21:33
the biggest problem with the ice not
21:35
being full international regulation size
21:38
cuz the ice was even smaller than NHL
21:40
size which is wild because international
21:42
is supposed to be wide open. It's
21:43
supposed to be a huge rink and you could
21:46
see it in the back of the goals like you
21:48
could see it in the area behind the net
21:49
because it was teeny tiny. Sydney
21:51
Crosby's office was just like a hole in
21:53
the wall.
21:55
>> Yeah.
21:56
>> Yeah. And and you can go ahead Gilbert.
21:58
>> I was shrinkflation. Shrinkflation.
22:02
>> It's even even I was looking at the
22:03
checks though, right? And and we're
22:05
talking about the talent disparity. The
22:07
checks in a lowscoring game and tight
22:09
ice. You got Camp, you got Sedlac, you
22:11
got all these like grinder guys, Kasha,
22:15
>> and then and then and then you got the
22:18
top three of Nous Pastnok and uh oh my
22:22
god, who's the third guy I was thinking
22:23
of like two seconds ago?
22:24
>> Hurdle.
22:25
>> Hurdle. Yes. Thank you. And on their
22:27
day, I take Thomas Hurdle off over a lot
22:30
of guys in the NHL, right? Um
22:32
>> Do Stall is a good goalender.
22:34
>> Stall is a very good goalender. And if
22:36
Dost Stall's not there, we got, you
22:37
know, Darth Vadar behind him and he's
22:40
also, you know, just as good, right,
22:42
this year. So,
22:43
>> not in the one game he played.
22:44
>> No, [laughter]
22:45
he played bad.
22:47
>> What? He had like a 700 save percentage.
22:49
>> He's better than Jeremy. Better than
22:50
Jeremy Swayman though. Better than
22:52
Jeremy. Swayman
22:54
was rough.
22:55
>> That Swayman goal that he allowed, I
22:58
totally get it. The boards were dark. He
23:00
lost the puck in the boards and they
23:01
they made a change on the fly to make
23:03
the boards lighter so it was easier for
23:04
the pucks to be seen. Like I get it.
23:07
>> No, you got to save it though.
23:10
>> Save that puck.
23:11
>> Just got to get in front of it. Lean
23:13
over. If you can't see it, you just got
23:14
to get in front of it. All right.
23:15
Listen, that's if you're in the outfield
23:16
and the ball's coming at you,
23:18
>> you know, and you losing the sun, you
23:20
just got to
23:21
>> get in front of it. You got to get in
23:22
front of it. Yeah.
23:23
>> I think it deflected off a leg, too. You
23:25
could kind of see I want to replace on
23:27
that. I don't know. I don't know. He uh
23:29
It makes Steve Mason look less bad. So,
23:31
I [laughter] I'm all for it. I I love
23:33
Steve Mason.
23:33
>> It takes a lot. It takes a lot. It makes
23:36
Steve Mason look less bad. Listen, I
23:38
think Steve Mason is one of the more
23:39
underrated flyers in history, but uh he
23:41
definitely didn't help himself
23:42
sometimes. We'll just say that much. So,
23:44
we mentioned how good Sanheim was in
23:46
this tournament. We got to talk about
23:47
wristtoid because he was a big part of
23:49
the fins uh being a tough team to play
23:52
against and he was legitimately hard to
23:54
play against in this
23:56
>> and he got that bronze medal. You know,
23:58
a great tournament. I think Risto put
24:00
himself back on the market with this
24:03
performance. You know, people are
24:04
buzzing about him now. Uh you're seeing
24:06
headlines now about teams being
24:07
interested in him again and this seems
24:10
like a real opportunity for the Flyers
24:13
to maybe make a deal here. This is
24:15
probably, you know, one of the benefits
24:17
of like having the Olympics again is you
24:20
can rehab Bristol's value.
24:22
>> Like you couldn't have done it if it
24:24
wasn't that if the NHL players weren't
24:25
there.
24:26
>> Yeah. Before the break, I wrote like the
24:28
flyer on broad street.com. Like and
24:29
subscribe. Uh the Flyers don't have much
24:31
to sell. Like I said, if you can get
24:33
better than a third round pick for Risa
24:35
Linen, you might have to take it. And I
24:36
have to walk that back because like I
24:38
was just overreacting like this. You see
24:41
how good playoff ris can be. He went in
24:44
a fin a finished system where he was
24:46
able to play well. That reverse hit on
24:48
Tom Wilson is going to be playing in
24:50
GM's offices. Like
24:52
>> and teams are going to pay for this.
24:53
Like you can't rely on him to stay
24:55
healthy, but he was healthy through the
24:57
Olympics. Got a bronze medal. He got two
24:59
cracks at the playoffs. Now Brett Brett
25:02
Koulak got uh Sam Gerard in a second
25:04
round pick or whatever today for the
25:06
Penguins. So wrist lining, you can get a
25:09
first round pick from from these teams.
25:11
These teams don't care about their first
25:12
round pick. They want to win a cup this
25:14
year. Like especially Dallas, Edmonton,
25:17
like they have to go all in. So
25:19
>> yeah,
25:19
>> hopefully it's not just Charlie Brown
25:21
with football again with these wrist
25:22
line trade rumors, but um I'm but
25:25
there's also no one else to come up and
25:27
take his spot. That that's the thing
25:28
we've been discussing too.
25:32
>> I mean, whoever
25:33
>> there are guys, but I don't think
25:34
there's anybody with that physicality,
25:36
but also it doesn't matter. And that's
25:38
one of the things I wanted to talk about
25:40
today was just the fact that,
25:41
>> you know, you're going into this last
25:43
stretch of the season. And before the
25:46
month of January, you are talking about
25:48
the Flyers like a potential playoff
25:50
team, a likely playoff team. And then
25:52
January was just atrocious for this
25:54
team, just absolutely horrible. And now
25:56
they're 61 points in 56 games played.
25:59
They're eight points out of a wild card
26:00
spot and eight points out of third in
26:02
the Metro. So they have a pretty big
26:04
hill to climb. And it's looking very
26:06
unlikely that the playoffs are likely.
26:08
So if you're writing off the playoffs,
26:11
which you're gonna find out in a So the
26:13
trade deadline's the sixth. So you're
26:15
about what, two weeks away from the
26:17
trade deadline at this point. I you got
26:19
to make a decision pretty quick. And I
26:21
if I'm Danny Brriier, I if I get any
26:25
sort of good order offer for Raasmus
26:27
Risto Linan, you have to take it because
26:30
what future does this guy in his early
26:32
30s have with this team by the time the
26:35
Flyers are ready to be competitive
26:36
again? Risto is not going to be a part
26:38
of that. He's also way too injuryprone
26:40
to rely upon. Like I think you have to
26:42
ship him out. And if you have to deal
26:45
with Noah Jules for the rest of the
26:46
year, so be it. I hate his guts, but I
26:48
don't hate his guts, but I don't enjoy
26:50
[clears throat] watching him uh play.
26:51
>> I forgot about Noah Jules.
26:54
>> God damn it. He's right there, guys.
26:55
[laughter]
26:56
>> He's slow. You might have missed him,
26:58
but he's right there.
26:59
>> This week is going to be so make or
27:02
break. Like, I was looking it up on
27:03
Money Puck earlier. If the Flyers win in
27:05
regulation against the Capitals, their
27:07
playoff odds go from 10 to 15%. If they
27:10
lose in regulation, they go down to like
27:12
7 and a half. like this week against the
27:15
Caps, uh, the Rangers and the Bruins,
27:17
like they if you want to make a case to
27:21
Dana Breier, like we can put this
27:22
together, we can get it together and
27:24
make the playoffs. If they lose out this
27:26
week, it's done. Like they've got no
27:28
shot.
27:29
>> If they did, like I am on Joe's side
27:30
here. If they won three in a row coming
27:32
out of the break, they actually would be
27:33
like kind of like back into it. But if
27:36
you're Brier Yeah. like Risto at this
27:39
point, I don't really know what he
27:40
serves. And the injury portion of him,
27:43
like that that part of him where he just
27:45
hasn't really been able to play a full
27:47
season. I think that just makes the
27:50
decision so much easier. Like if he was
27:51
healthy and he'd played, you know, 50
27:53
games up to this point, that's one
27:55
thing, right? It might be a harder
27:57
decision to make because he does have
27:58
some usefulness and we saw it. Um if
28:01
he's playing well, especially on the
28:02
smaller ice, I think that definitely
28:04
helped helped his game.
28:06
>> Um
28:07
I like if he if he can trans transition,
28:11
you know, into playing like that the
28:13
rest of the season, yeah, that'd be
28:14
something you could think about keeping
28:16
around. But he's just too he's too
28:18
injuryprone to really really bet on him
28:21
in any sort of future capacity. And
28:24
yeah, like I I don't think trading Risto
28:29
is is the same thing as doing the Shawn
28:31
Walker thing again. Um, but
28:34
>> you can still compete if you trade cuz
28:36
they're not as They played so much. They
28:38
played so much without him already.
28:39
>> Yeah.
28:40
>> Yeah. And you're also not in the
28:41
playoffs as they were on Shawn Walker.
28:42
Shawn Walker they were relying upon for
28:44
big time minutes and their most reliable
28:47
guy. Whereas Risto, he plays second,
28:49
third pair. He is tough to play against,
28:52
but he's not a guy that they rely upon.
28:55
You know, Sanheim is who they rely upon.
28:58
York is who they rely rely upon.
29:00
>> Just just for like a little bit of
29:01
perspective here, the Flyers are 5'8 and
29:03
four since January 1st. Risto was only
29:06
back in the lineup like a week or two
29:08
before that. They have like a deeply
29:10
losing record with Risto Lining in the
29:12
lineup. They were in the top three in
29:13
the Metro without him. If anything, if
29:16
the Flyers get a really good offer for
29:18
Risto and they win these three coming
29:20
out the break,
29:21
>> you might be able to have your cake and
29:23
eat it too, right? Like just like
29:25
>> the bronze medal. What's the bronze
29:27
medal if not second loser, right?
29:31
>> Yes.
29:32
>> Yeah. and you have these three games and
29:34
then you go up to Toronto who you should
29:36
be able to beat. Then you host Utah. You
29:38
got five games before
29:40
>> Matthews is guaranteed two in that game.
29:42
So you got to hope that the Flyers score
29:45
more than two.
29:46
>> Whatever you got, you got five games
29:48
there. If you get eight points, eight
29:50
points out of that somehow seven points
29:53
maybe. I don't think it's going to
29:54
change their perspective on what they do
29:56
for wristalan. Maybe it gives them just
29:58
more leverage in in trade talks. But I
30:01
want Rristtoellinan trade to look like
30:03
the Braden Goburn trade where you got
30:05
Raicho Gutis and a pick. Get a
30:07
defenseman back for Rristtoinan. You can
30:09
replace him in the lineup and get a
30:11
first or second round pick. Something
30:13
like that. Even if it's a bad contract,
30:15
that's fine. Like I feel like that's
30:18
what Brier might be looking for because
30:20
he knows no one in the AHL is ready and
30:23
I'd rather have them down there to
30:25
develop.
30:25
>> I like that a lot. I I'm into that kind
30:27
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some big games headed up for this team.
31:07
But I think regardless like you have to
31:09
trade Bristol Light and you're never
31:10
going to get more momentum than having
31:12
this big international nationally
31:14
broadcast showcase where the entire
31:16
hockey world was watching.
31:18
>> Yeah. I think like if you don't do it
31:21
now, it's never going to happen. Um,
31:23
>> like like Gilb said, I think you might
31:25
even be able to take maybe a lesser
31:27
pick, maybe a second instead of a first,
31:29
and then try and grab somebody who you
31:32
might think has has some potential in
31:34
the league, maybe or or could at least
31:36
fill in in the spot that that Risto uh
31:39
leaves behind. Like, you know, there
31:41
there are a couple different ways you
31:43
could go about it. Um, but I I think
31:46
it's time. I just think that like
31:49
Risto's never going to have more value
31:53
to a playoff team than he does right
31:55
now. Um I think maybe maybe there were
31:58
some spurts last year where heading into
32:01
the deadline that he he might have been
32:03
really appealing to teams, but but this
32:05
season I think this is this is it. I
32:08
don't think next year he'll have the
32:09
same value. I don't think, you know, the
32:11
year after that it'll it'll be anywhere
32:14
near what it is right now. And that's
32:15
even uh if he stays healthy, right,
32:18
which is not a guarantee. So I I think
32:20
you got to do it now. You got to pull
32:21
the trigger now even if it's not
32:23
>> the most maximized package coming back.
32:26
But
32:26
>> I mean it reminds me
32:27
>> it's absolutely not a guarantee that
32:28
he'll be healthy. That's for sure.
32:30
>> Yeah. [laughter] It kind of reminds me
32:31
of Scott Lton. Like Danny Breier could
32:33
have traded him the deadline prior when
32:36
Shawn Walker got shipped out, but he
32:38
didn't because the demand wasn't there.
32:40
His price wasn't there. He waited until
32:42
Scott Lawn brought back a first in
32:44
Nikita Grabben, which is insanity, which
32:47
is just crazy.
32:49
Like this
32:51
holding on to Risto to this deadline
32:53
might be the next in that line. Like we
32:57
have this price in our heads. You have
32:58
to meet it. And nobody's met it until
33:01
now. And after this Olympic performance,
33:03
people are like, you know what? Yeah,
33:05
he's worth it. We'll pay it. Cap's going
33:07
up. a $5.1 million four five defenseman.
33:11
We can stomach that.
33:14
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, you can wait till
33:15
the off seasonason, but then you lose a
33:17
crack at the playoffs as one team does,
33:18
and you risk him getting hurt in the
33:20
final month of the year. So, this this
33:22
is prime time to solve still.
33:24
>> Yeah, exactly. Well, if you listen to
33:26
Anthony Demarco over at Daily Face Off,
33:29
there's half a dozen teams interested in
33:32
Raasmus Risto line. And so, somebody out
33:34
there wants that playoff risoto. Danny
33:36
Brier, let's make a deal. I was looking
33:38
over the Oh, wow. How about that? Yeah,
33:40
I was looking over the roster and like
33:42
there's really not that many guys that
33:44
you would sell, per se. Like there's
33:46
guys you'll trade, right? Uh and I don't
33:48
want to trigger Gilbert over here and
33:50
mention Bobby Brink's name, but Bobby
33:52
Brink's a guy that comes up. Owen
33:53
Tippet's a guy that comes up, but if
33:55
you're talking about straight up selling
33:56
guys, like, yeah, we'd love to just dump
33:58
Haway off on a team because uh great guy
34:01
in the locker room, but he has not been
34:03
anywhere on the ice this year.
34:05
Deloreier. Yeah, great. He plays five
34:07
minutes and he's in the box for 10. So
34:10
cool. And Jules is again the slowest man
34:13
in the world, but who the hell wants
34:16
him? Who wants him? Carl.
34:19
>> Was it you, Joe, that added Carl
34:20
Grundstrom to the sheet?
34:22
>> Yes, our boy Carl.
34:23
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's time for
34:25
Joe's big stretch.
34:28
>> Wait, what? What? What about Carl?
34:30
What's the big stretch with Carl?
34:32
>> Teams want him to trade for Carl Gstrom.
34:34
Oh, he's a perfectly effective like 13th
34:37
forward on a playoff team probably. Like
34:40
if someone He scored eight goals this
34:42
year, didn't he?
34:43
>> So are like 300 other people though.
34:47
>> But he's an expiring UFA. I don't think
34:49
he'd bring back more than like a fourth
34:50
round pick. But you know, if
34:52
>> How mad would you be if Danny Brier
34:54
randomly in two years trades for Carl
34:57
Grundstrom as the 13th forward for a
34:59
playoff run?
35:00
>> I wouldn't be happy. [laughter]
35:02
I would just be like, why why are we
35:04
doing that?
35:05
>> I I will agree with Joe that it's one of
35:08
the only players that they could sell.
35:10
If you're saying sell, but I also agree
35:12
that any team trading for Carl
35:15
Grundstrom at the deadline is really
35:17
stupid.
35:18
>> You could maybe trade him back to LA. He
35:20
he started his career there for a while.
35:21
Maybe maybe he wants to go back there.
35:23
But like
35:24
>> with FIA out too, they do need some
35:26
wingers coming up
35:28
>> for Andre KMO again. Well, you want
35:31
[laughter] to talk about you want to
35:32
talk about players that knew just how to
35:34
fall on somebody to injure them IN THE
35:36
OLYMPICS. TOM WILSON struck again with
35:39
poor Kevin Fiala there. Like it looked
35:42
very innocuous, but I don't know if Tom
35:44
Wilson's involved. I am inclined to
35:46
believe that some foul play happened
35:47
there.
35:49
>> Yeah, I I I could I mean Tom Wilson then
35:51
you had the uh the Brad Marshian barrel
35:53
roll over the goalie as well.
35:55
>> That was Bennett. Was it
35:57
>> Bennett? Okay. one of one of those awful
36:00
hockey player. Just just useless. Just
36:03
absolutely have no material use on the
36:06
ice at best on best hockey. Brad
36:08
Marshand or Sam Bennett. Like they they
36:10
just might as well put me out there.
36:12
>> Jacob is so right about this and it is
36:15
what was so frustrating about the roster
36:17
construction at the Olympics. They were
36:19
building them for playoff style hockey.
36:21
Playoffs are best of seven. If Sam
36:23
Bennett commits a stupid penalty in game
36:25
three, but it fires everybody up to win
36:27
game four, who gives a [Β __Β ]
36:29
>> Joe? You considered he's clutch. He's
36:31
clutch. Khan Smith's winner.
36:33
>> Over over a seven game a serious
36:35
>> Sam Reinhardt out there looking like an
36:38
actual [Β __Β ] player. Not talking that's
36:41
that's the class of player. That's the
36:44
level of hockey. I want to make that
36:46
clear.
36:46
>> But he like he he scores a goal. His
36:49
stick's just out there. It hits him.
36:50
almost knocks his stick out of his hands
36:52
and goes in. I'm like, "Oh my god." This
36:54
is just sums up what the Panthers do.
36:56
>> It's best of one. It's a best of one
36:58
format. And you can't bring a line of
37:00
Wilson, Ben, and Marianne. Like, that
37:02
doesn't work in a best of one.
37:04
>> It worked for one game. It did work for
37:06
one game.
37:06
>> Wilson was a star, baby. Oh, he was on
37:09
camera constantly. They were
37:10
interviewing him every chance they got.
37:13
Come on.
37:15
>> Face of the league. I saw so many uh on
37:17
the NBC broadcast of the gold medal
37:20
game. I saw zero Austin Matthews. I
37:24
didn't even they didn't even show Dylan
37:25
Larkin on the bench. Brady Kachchuck,
37:28
not even Matthew. Brady was on there
37:32
constantly,
37:33
>> you know, just like they just showing
37:35
him doing features and stuff and I'm
37:36
like he's not even in my top nine
37:39
>> and he's got a face for radio. Like
37:42
[laughter]
37:42
>> I don't need to get into that. I I I
37:44
have a lot of things I can say about
37:46
>> I will say on the the marketing on the
37:48
Peacock app, Austin Matthews face was
37:50
everywhere. They were using him in a lot
37:52
of the marketing.
37:52
>> That's why I'm surprised.
37:53
>> For some reason, they weren't showing a
37:55
lot on the broadcast and Matthews had a
37:56
good tournament for the most part.
37:57
>> It was good. That also I want to circle
37:59
back actually about the the future flyer
38:02
thing. I'm starting to think with
38:04
between Mner and Matthews, it might just
38:06
be the Leafs entirely. Like it just
38:08
might be
38:09
>> coming around. You might be coming
38:10
around. He was pretty damn good. He was
38:13
all right. So like if Martin going or
38:16
winners
38:17
>> like anything can happen now, you know.
38:21
>> Maybe maybe he just needs different type
38:23
of abuse.
38:26
>> Also, let's go.
38:28
>> Shout out Nick Suzuki for what what a
38:29
shift that goal. That's the type of goal
38:31
I love. Like everyone's like the Marner
38:33
highlight reel that Nick Suzuki
38:35
hardworking for check get in there get
38:37
the net. I love that. I love that. Also,
38:40
I want to shout out love Nick Suzuki.
38:42
>> We didn't do this at all. Shout out to
38:44
the women's team for winning gold as
38:46
well. That Megan overtime goal was a
38:51
thing of beauty. Cuz the big concern
38:54
with threeon-ree overtime is that the
38:56
goals are going to be some stupid broken
38:57
play where someone just gets a like
38:59
>> like it's just a block shot, breakaway,
39:02
done. But Megan Keller, oh my goodness,
39:05
dangles through the defense and just
39:07
like squeezes it past the goalender.
39:09
What a beautiful way to win gold.
39:11
>> Just awesome goal. Like just the way she
39:14
jump like oh the way she just deaked and
39:17
like jumped over the oh the stick. Like
39:19
it was fantastic. One of the best like
39:21
winning goals period I have seen. It was
39:24
really just fantastic.
39:25
>> I felt like had the the men's and
39:27
women's tournaments run more parallel.
39:29
>> Yeah. I didn't like that it was like
39:32
three days before
39:33
>> early. I like when it's like gold medal
39:34
game women's and then next day gold
39:35
medal day men's or other vice versa.
39:38
>> We're lucky we had one rink to play on,
39:40
let alone two. Okay,
39:41
>> honestly we had an interesting time. It
39:43
was not nearly the size it should have
39:45
been.
39:45
>> They're going to be playing on the
39:46
Batlon course.
39:48
>> I had just happened to take off the day
39:50
when the gold medal game was for the
39:52
women. I was like, "Oh, this worked out
39:53
great." But like if I didn't just happen
39:56
to take off, I wouldn't have seen it. I
39:58
hope they have a great time in Las Vegas
40:00
with FlavorFlave.
40:01
>> Flavor Flave. Fantastic. I love that
40:04
Flavor Flave invited them out there.
40:05
That's awesome. Yeah, they speak rinks
40:07
though. I saw something that in the
40:10
French Alps in 2030, they're going to
40:12
use some sort of like soccer rink that's
40:14
like h soccer field that has like a dome
40:16
or something. Jacob, you saw this?
40:18
>> Yeah, I did see that. I'm not exactly
40:20
sure what they're going to do, but it
40:22
looks very very ambitious. I did not
40:25
know they were going back to Paris uh
40:28
again until I saw that. But yeah, it's
40:31
going to be a really strange rink. Um I
40:34
don't exactly know how to how to
40:36
describe it. Um
40:39
>> well, if it's supposed to be like A
40:40
SOCCER FIELD, THAT'S SOMETHING that was
40:43
going to have like two rinks on the same
40:44
field and I don't know how that how that
40:46
>> Yeah, it's it's like it's like a big
40:48
complex and I think there's two rinks,
40:50
but like I I I don't know. No arenas
40:53
where you can just set up a regular ass
40:56
hockey rink. Like, can they just start
40:57
having places with
41:00
>> They do have a rink. They They had a
41:01
recently built rink somewhere in France.
41:04
May have been Paris. May have been maybe
41:06
Nice or Lion or something, but like
41:09
>> I'm not lying about that. I've read
41:11
about
41:12
>> Leon. Leon.
41:13
>> Leon. Leon. Yes. The the rinks in Europe
41:16
are gorgeous, too, cuz they have like
41:17
that wood trim ceiling and stuff. Like
41:20
they look like an actual barn in a way.
41:22
>> Oh, a real barn.
41:24
>> Oh yeah.
41:25
>> Oh yeah.
41:26
>> Don't you know?
41:28
>> They look like a real barn over there.
41:30
>> There's the HC Davos one is my favorite.
41:32
If you've ever seen that, that's a looks
41:34
like a cathedral in there. It's
41:35
beautiful.
41:36
>> Love that. Instead, we just get a
41:38
regular ass
41:40
>> jumbotron. We need a bigger jumbotron.
41:43
>> Oh yeah. Well, or we need to make it so
41:46
it's like a weird shape where nobody
41:48
>> don't need it four sides. We need to
41:50
make it concave.
41:52
>> One more thing about the Olympics. How
41:54
nice was it to have like basically
41:56
advertisement free hockey? No board ads,
41:59
nothing on the ice, nothing on the
42:01
jerseys. It was beautiful experience.
42:03
>> It was beautiful.
42:04
>> I just couldn't get into it without like
42:06
rotating ads on the boards. Like I I
42:08
don't know. And and NBC also had no
42:10
commercials for the um well, no actual
42:13
commercial breaks. So, we're still some
42:14
like picture and picture stuff,
42:15
>> but no no commercials turned on.
42:17
>> When they would show the Zamboni during
42:19
the intermission, I was like, "Oh, this
42:20
is just like I wish I could just have
42:22
that on my TV all the time, to be
42:24
honest."
42:24
>> Yeah, I was very I was very very lost
42:28
with uh how many minutes there were left
42:30
to play in the period, but the Rav four
42:32
minutes to play.
42:33
>> Oh,
42:35
>> so I didn't really know how much time
42:37
was left. So, that was a little um that
42:40
was a little annoying. Don't let anyone
42:41
don't let anyone um
42:43
>> like convince you that that isn't a
42:46
nuisance or that doesn't just make the
42:47
overall product much much much worse.
42:50
Like it's just so much better to watch.
42:52
The intermissions felt shorter. It was
42:54
like 15 minutes of an intermission. You
42:56
had like 5 to 10 minutes of people
42:58
talking at the desk which you don't need
43:00
more of. It's just a quick concise hit
43:02
and then you get back and that and
43:04
there's there's nothing on the boards,
43:06
nothing on the ice, nothing on the
43:07
jerseys and it's very mean. People try
43:08
to gaslight me into going like, "Well,
43:10
the jersey ads aren't that bad. I don't
43:12
EVEN NOTICE THEM." I NOTICE THEM EVERY
43:14
TIME. THEY'RE ANNOYING AS [Β __Β ] The
43:15
helmet ads. The helmet ads don't even
43:17
worse.
43:19
>> You know what else really helped the
43:20
flow of the game? No kicking out centers
43:23
on faceoffs.
43:24
>> That helped the flow a lot. That's
43:27
something the NHL needs needs to needs
43:29
to take from that.
43:30
>> Like, oh yeah, I just want to see this
43:31
wing take the face off.
43:32
>> Awesome. Like why if if both guys are
43:35
jumping the gun because the refs like to
43:37
pump fake for some reason uh when they
43:40
go to drop the puck. If they're both
43:41
jumping the gun, how do you determine
43:43
who you're throwing out? Are you just
43:44
picking a guy?
43:46
>> Whichever guy Whichever guy you like
43:47
less, whichever guy's
43:48
>> whatever guy has the worst faceoff
43:50
percentage like I don't understand. Is
43:52
it just Michael Misa just gets kicked
43:54
out every time now? It's just like
43:55
>> Cludoo Clud gets kicked out every time.
43:58
>> Constantly.
43:59
>> Yeah, because he goes down to one. I
44:01
don't like that. I love that this has
44:02
turned into, you know, what really
44:04
grinds my gears about [laughter] about
44:06
the NHL game these days, but it was a
44:09
great showcase for what hockey could be
44:11
and should be and instead we have to go
44:13
back to what we're stuck with. So like
44:15
it feels like such a massive downgrade
44:17
to go from this just beautiful
44:19
tournament to watching Flyers hockey
44:22
again.
44:23
>> Jesus.
44:23
>> Well, and I was going to I I was going
44:25
to bring this up too as well. I kind of
44:27
forgot um until now, so that's good. But
44:31
like you watch the Olympics and even you
44:34
see some of the bad teams and you're
44:36
like, "Oh, I don't I don't know how
44:39
close these guys are to actually being
44:41
anything like even remotely close to
44:45
winning something, you know? Like they
44:46
just don't look like they're on the
44:49
level like are the Flyers beaten
44:50
Switzerland?"
44:52
>> No.
44:52
>> No. Like
44:54
>> I don't think the Flyers beat Slovakia.
44:58
>> They're not really going to test the
44:59
goalie. Yeah, like I don't think the
45:02
Flyers are beating half those teams in
45:03
the tournament like
45:04
>> you know, so like that's that's the
45:05
thing.
45:06
>> Slovakia power play was very Flyersesque
45:08
having all five players on the outside
45:10
with with the uh US box in the middle.
45:13
>> Oh god. And it's so funny that both the
45:16
US and Canada had the last two the
45:19
current Flyers coach and the previous
45:21
Flyers coaches assistants.
45:22
>> Yeah.
45:23
>> Yeah. And uh Yeah. I mean,
45:26
[sighs and gasps]
45:27
how do we feel about Tors being the gold
45:29
medalist? How funny is that? Like a good
45:31
>> funny honestly. I think
45:33
>> if he doesn't get a medal, coaches don't
45:34
get a medal.
45:35
>> Yeah, coaches still don't get a We found
45:36
that out. Yeah.
45:37
>> Yeah. I don't Why is that the case?
45:39
>> It's stupid. I don't know. Are they run
45:42
out of the funds for three more people?
45:44
Like,
45:44
>> well, if Well, how many coaches get it
45:46
and then like do do like the how many
45:48
assistants get it? Like, it's just like
45:49
let the players get it. It's the players
45:51
played. Okay.
45:51
>> Yeah. But let everybody get it. You're
45:53
the Olympics. Print more. make more.
45:55
>> You just print your own with a 3D
45:56
printer. Like I'm talking
45:58
>> There you go. We can all be gold
46:00
medalists now.
46:02
>> Exactly. Exactly.
46:03
>> I'm the I'm the gold medalist.
46:05
>> All right. Let's let's let's get
46:06
>> Look at me.
46:08
>> Let's get back to talking about the
46:09
unfortunate thing that we've come here
46:11
to discuss today and that's the
46:12
Philadelphia Flyers. And for the last
46:14
portion of this show, we got to talk
46:16
about the thing that's been beaten to
46:18
death, resurrected, and beaten to death
46:20
again. Matt Vishkov versus Rick Taki.
46:22
because we got a fresh round of quotes
46:25
courtesy of Charlie Oconor today. I'm
46:27
going to read these quotes and we can
46:28
get into it for the last portion of the
46:30
show. So, Mishkov was talking via his
46:33
translator uh Slavakus off today. Uh so,
46:37
here are a few quotes on his
46:38
relationship with Rick Tockett. Very
46:40
common relationship between player and
46:42
head coach. Everybody has the same goal,
46:44
the coaches and the players to win. So,
46:46
we've been working that way. Mishkoff
46:49
what he's learned from this season in
46:50
the NHL. There's nothing new in the NHL
46:52
and the NHL is hard work. If you take a
46:55
four months break, it can reflect in
46:57
your game. You have to concentrate on
46:58
hockey all the time and you cannot even
47:00
take a month of break or even a month of
47:02
break. Misheoff if he paid attention to
47:05
the pre-bake pre-break media chatter
47:07
about him. What's happening in the
47:09
media? He said with a smile, it was
47:11
clarified at his full response. I'll
47:13
play as much time as I've been given and
47:15
I have to do my job. That's the only
47:17
thing I care about. Mishkoff on getting
47:20
shifted to left wing this season and
47:21
that's and how that's went for him. I
47:24
was always playing the right. I was
47:26
always there. Now I'm playing on the
47:27
left. It's a new role. If the coaches
47:29
see me there, I have to adapt as quick
47:31
as I can. So for the most part, very
47:34
diplomatic responses from Mishkov, which
47:36
is much more than you could say about
47:37
his head coach who basically came out
47:39
and said, "Yeah, old fat there isn't
47:42
doing so good. He needs to lift some
47:43
more weights." But uh Mishkov, nice
47:45
diplomatic answers. I really like that.
47:48
The one part where you can see a little
47:50
bit of frustration is the left wing
47:52
versus rightwing because you can tell
47:55
from number one just watching him out
47:57
there, but also just he wants to be on
48:00
the right wing and I think he likes
48:02
having that shot, you know, from the
48:04
right side and he just likes playing
48:06
there more. And you even see when he
48:08
plays with Brink sometimes they'll
48:09
switch it up once they get into the zone
48:11
and everything. Just play him on the
48:13
right and have Denver Barky on the left.
48:14
Doc, what are we doing?
48:17
Yeah, it just seems like Matt Vy is
48:20
taking it in stride right now. Um, I
48:23
don't think there's much he can do. Um,
48:26
I think he understands that there he he
48:28
bears some responsibility for what's
48:29
going on. Obviously, it's not like it's
48:32
just the uh the coach's fault or
48:33
anything of that nature. So, um, he's he
48:37
he is being diplomatic like you said,
48:39
but that's kind of what you want to
48:41
hear. Um, it's not really much to to
48:44
take from it other than that. It is kind
48:46
of funny how different it is from what
48:48
talk had said and like you know I just
48:50
couldn't have said that as well. It
48:52
would have been nice if you just could
48:53
have left it kind of at that but I guess
48:55
we have to just make everything into a
48:57
podcast. Um so that's good for us maybe.
49:01
Uh but yeah the the whole Mishkov thing
49:05
on the left on the right I mean the
49:07
stats show he's better on the right. He
49:09
looks more comfortable on the right.
49:12
It's hard to fit him in because you got
49:14
a lot of right wingers, but he is the
49:16
right winger. Like if if there was going
49:18
to be a guy who you want to project to
49:20
be the topline right winger, it's it's
49:22
it's him. And maybe maybe tip it,
49:25
>> right? I could see it. But
49:27
>> a team that's struggling for goals and
49:29
you have a guy who was a proven goal
49:31
scorer last season and you're not trying
49:33
to put him in a position to score goals
49:35
seems insane to me.
49:36
>> Yeah. It's
49:37
>> not playing him in overtime,
49:39
>> you know, that that's a that makes
49:40
sense. not playing Mechov in overtime
49:42
when you need to score a goal
49:44
>> and and the power play not not putting
49:46
Mishkov and Zerris and all your top
49:48
players on the same unit on the power
49:49
play and have a historic horse
49:52
historically bad power play yet again.
49:53
>> It's just it's just frustrating.
49:55
>> It's so frustrating because you you look
49:58
at it and you think those are the times
50:00
where would put him on is in overtime is
50:03
in is on the power play. Like
50:04
conventional wisdom says like you get a
50:06
guy going like that by playing him in
50:09
the advantageous situations to create
50:11
offense. Not playing him with, you know,
50:15
Carl Grundstrom and Noah Kates on a
50:18
Dzone draw or in the neutral zone,
50:21
right? Like in a two nothing deficit
50:23
game where you're already not moving.
50:25
That's
50:25
>> I'd forgotten I'd forgotten how
50:27
frustrated this team makes me.
50:28
>> We're so fast. It's fast. I told you. I
50:31
don't know why you're so I mean I guess
50:33
you can be excited. that you're supposed
50:34
to be excited. I'm not very positive
50:36
about hockey right now to be honest with
50:38
you.
50:38
>> I I don't blame you.
50:39
>> I can't I can't imagine very negative.
50:42
>> It's been a very negative year. Like I I
50:44
was watching and it's just annoying. It
50:45
just annoys me. [laughter]
50:47
>> I want I almost want to continue and
50:48
make the shadow podcast for uh the real
50:51
sickos on Patreon or something like
50:53
that. Get get the the BSH shadow podcast
50:55
on Patreon where we can air our true
50:57
feelings on certain things. But uh we're
50:59
not going to do that today.
51:01
>> Grievances. I I I just want to commend
51:04
Matt Vay Mage Golf for just talking
51:05
circles around Rick Tocket. Rick
51:07
Tockkins in the media, everyone loves
51:09
him. The one thing What the one thing
51:11
Matt Vy didn't I want to know about Matt
51:13
Vy is does he go down swinging or not? I
51:15
think that's the one thing I need to
51:16
know is does he go down swinging like
51:18
Rick Tocket? Because Rick Tocket made a
51:20
point of that. Like that's just all I
51:21
want to know.
51:22
>> Yeah. And Jacob mentioned it. Shout out
51:24
to Slava, his translator, for like
51:26
perfectly threading the needle of nuance
51:28
to get these like ideas across. Um, also
51:32
we mentioned it earlier, uh, Meichov to
51:34
score a goal against the Caps. I think
51:36
he has a pretty good split against the
51:37
Washington Capitals. Like when he plays
51:39
Oveskin, he shows up. So like he might,
51:42
that's a pretty good bet to make. Mechov
51:44
goal tomorrow.
51:45
>> Well, and he had a working vacation,
51:47
right? Cuz we saw the pictures on his
51:48
Insta and he's out there uh doing
51:50
crunches and hanging out with beautiful
51:52
women and uh tossing the basketball
51:54
around, you know, like what more
51:55
>> that's that's the type of guy I I don't
51:57
want on my team.
51:59
>> You got to play multiple sports. All
52:00
these kids are are just so so focused.
52:02
>> Yeah. I can't be a monosport athlete.
52:03
Yeah. You got to be a hybrid athlete.
52:05
>> Play some basketball. Play some beach
52:06
volleyball. Get out there. Get out
52:07
there, man.
52:07
>> Oh, man. Just like top That's called the
52:09
Top Gun regiment that he's doing right
52:11
there.
52:11
>> That's the Top Gun circuit. [laughter]
52:12
Yeah.
52:14
>> Exercise plan.
52:15
>> Beach volleyball is like really
52:17
difficult because the like
52:19
>> for your legs, it's a really good
52:20
workout for your legs because the sand
52:22
shifting under your feet is like you
52:24
have to compensate for that. That's
52:25
really really tough. Every summer
52:27
Olympic when I see those beach
52:29
volleyball players, I'm like, "Good
52:31
lord." Like, they're just the most like
52:33
ripped people in the world because of
52:35
how in shape you have to be TO PLAY
52:36
THAT. I can't even walk on the beach,
52:38
let alone play volleyball.
52:41
>> It hurts.
52:42
>> I'm out there with my cooler like, "COME
52:44
ON, LET'S GO."
52:45
>> YEP. That's me, too.
52:47
>> Yeah, it's horrible. But yeah, like and
52:49
by the way, like that's one of the only
52:51
summer Olympic I love the winter
52:52
Olympics. The Winter Olympics are so
52:54
much fun. Damn. Summer Olympics. I'm
52:56
like, "Yeah, I guess volleyball and
52:58
basketball."
52:58
>> I like the discus.
53:00
>> You like handball. You're not a handball
53:02
fan.
53:02
>> I forgot about handball. Handball.
53:04
>> Handball's good.
53:04
>> I feel like handballs are kind of like
53:06
the curling water polo.
53:07
>> Everyone loves Everyone loves those.
53:09
>> We got flag football this year coming
53:10
up. The next
53:11
>> flag football. You got three three on
53:12
basketball too, I believe.
53:14
>> Threeon
53:15
and three on three hockey is going to be
53:17
fun when that comes into play.
53:18
>> Is that a thing in the
53:19
>> It is coming apparently.
53:20
>> Oh, lovely. Fantastic.
53:22
>> Threeon-ree hockey maybe. I would love
53:24
if some of the guys like like Shane
53:27
Gostas bear like the more like
53:29
offensive-minded defenseman could get on
53:31
those teams like uh maybe Matthew
53:33
Mishkov if uh Rick Tocket learns to play
53:35
him in overtime at some point.
53:36
>> No, he has no experience.
53:37
>> No experience. No, I'm sorry. He was
53:39
just the Flyers like overtime goal
53:41
winner last year. Sorry. You just got to
53:43
keep him on the bench, play him 10
53:44
minutes a night. No big deal. That was
53:46
when my breaking point was like I was
53:48
kind of puttering along a little
53:49
frustrated and then you can even see it
53:51
because I did the PHY post that day and
53:54
I was like
53:55
>> am I reading this right? Did he got 10
53:56
minutes? He got 10 minutes. I I you saw
53:58
me broke break right there. Like I broke
54:01
on camera and like that's what got me
54:04
and I think the treatment's been bad all
54:07
season but that's what really because
54:08
they they really have what's bothered me
54:11
is how much they've thrown him under the
54:13
bus. this guy who is the face of your
54:15
franchise, your fan favorite. All the
54:17
jerseys on the concourse are Matthew
54:19
Mishkov. People love him and want to see
54:21
him succeed. So why are you not out here
54:24
defending him? Why are you not like why
54:26
are you calling him out of shape and
54:28
encouraging all the trolls on Twitter to
54:30
which I will never call X calling all
54:31
the trolls on Twitter calling him fat
54:34
and everything like you're encouraging
54:36
this when you call him out of shape. So
54:38
if anything like you need to be bumping
54:40
him up. You need to make him just a
54:42
badass. And he wants to be a badass. Put
54:45
him in a position to win. This seems
54:47
simple. Give him some position to
54:50
succeed. Put him on the right side. Put
54:51
him on the power play. Put him in
54:53
overtime. One of those three. Give him
54:54
one thing that he does well and put him
54:56
out there for it. And Tak just refuses
54:59
to. And if he was on the left side with
55:01
like, you know, Zegris and Knee, like a
55:04
like a talent line like that, sure. but
55:07
he's with Noah Kates who is defense
55:09
first and defense only and Bobby Brink
55:11
who's a good playmaker but like it's
55:14
just not the line you want Mitchkov on
55:16
>> and I think the interesting thing with
55:17
Kates in particular is you saw how much
55:20
of his offense has come from Forester
55:22
because his numbers with Forester and
55:24
without Forester night
55:25
>> it's dried up dried up a lot for Kates
55:28
on the offensive end
55:30
>> and it it he is one of those guys who I
55:33
think on a great team it it does seem
55:36
like he's is a 4C like on a very on a
55:39
Panthers team like you know that's just
55:42
Lundelle Barov
55:45
whoever was on the third line
55:46
>> I feel very a winger more so but like
55:49
you know it's probably going to be him
55:51
on a 4C and being a great fourth line
55:53
>> Sam Bennett you forgot about Sam Bennett
55:54
>> oh yeah
55:56
Kates goes ahead of him and then Bennett
55:57
in the fourth line
55:58
>> I feel similar to Kates as I do to Ryan
56:00
Paling every team in the every team in
56:02
the league wants him you know every team
56:04
could choose a Noah Kates But the Flyers
56:07
relying on him to be 23C shows you how
56:10
crappy the Flyers are.
56:12
>> I wouldn't mind selling high on Noah
56:14
Kates. I think he ranks highly in the
56:16
athletics sulky rating thing. Like he's
56:19
26 by the time the Flyers are a legit
56:22
playoff team like contender. He'll be 28
56:24
29. He's on a good contract. I think you
56:28
could get a good prospect or a good pick
56:30
for him or both. Like I feel like he's
56:31
someone you're not going to miss. He'll
56:33
go to a good team and be a good 3C like
56:36
Colorado. He could be a 3C or something
56:38
like that, but he's not a guy you're
56:40
like, "Okay, he wouldn't have done that
56:41
here unless you give him two good
56:43
wingers." And maybe you wait for next
56:45
year, see if you give him like a tippet
56:48
and another one of those great like
56:50
Forester Forester Kates tippet,
56:52
something like that because you have
56:53
nine good or six good wingers to use
56:55
next season.
56:56
>> This is an interesting have three lines.
56:58
>> This is an interesting thing that I was
56:59
talking to Charlie the other day about
57:01
uh on PHLY. I was talking to him about
57:04
uh some of the prospects up and coming
57:05
and we we're talking about uh I always
57:07
get the pronunciation wrong but uh Hiky
57:09
uh Roonan
57:10
>> Ruin my boy Ruiner
57:13
>> the ruiner over there and Brent Flair
57:15
says they see him as a potential Noah
57:17
Cage replacement long term. So I mean I
57:20
know he's not
57:21
>> that's a weird way to put that. Why are
57:23
these guys talk like this? He's on the
57:25
roster currently. He currently plays for
57:27
the team
57:27
>> and he's only 26
57:28
>> and you're replacing him with a guy who
57:30
plays for Harvard currently. under
57:31
contract for what, like four more years?
57:32
Three more years.
57:33
>> Why is that? I I I'll see if I can find
57:36
that.
57:37
>> It's an interesting thing.
57:39
>> That's what he said to Charlie. But it's
57:41
uh but like the thing is that's
57:43
obviously a long-term view. But here's
57:46
the other thing. You just signed a guy
57:48
to a five-year deal that I know Gilbert
57:50
is about to walk out of the room about,
57:53
but you just signed a guy in Christian
57:55
D'vorak who can really play. I mean, he
57:58
should be playing like two 3C at most.
58:01
He ends up playing 1C on this crappy
58:03
team, but
58:03
>> he was a 4C on the Habs.
58:05
>> Here's the thing. Well, I think he's a
58:07
fine 3C. I think he's a fine, too. But
58:09
he's But that's the thing. He's fine.
58:11
Whereas if you ship Kates off, right,
58:14
and maybe you can upgrade somewhere.
58:17
That would be nice. Uh, you know, I
58:20
think D'vorak playing down in the
58:22
lineup's perfectly fine is I guess my
58:24
point.
58:24
>> Here's the thing about Kates. I don't
58:26
think you just trade him for another
58:28
prospect or a pick. He is the center you
58:30
send back as part of a larger package
58:33
for the topline center you're trying to
58:35
trade for. Cuz if you're if you're for
58:38
example, let's talk Robert Thomas. If
58:40
you're trading for Robert Thomas, you're
58:41
going to have to give up like a couple
58:43
of first round picks, maybe a topline
58:45
prospect, but they might want someone
58:46
who can play center. Now, that's Noah
58:49
Kates. Like he's not he's not a central
58:51
piece of a package trying to acquire
58:53
your onie. He's a peripheral piece to be
58:55
a like stop gap replacement uh down the
58:59
middle for the team that is trading away
59:00
their top guy.
59:02
>> And for I'm probably being too harsh
59:05
calling Kate a 4C, but like the the
59:08
thing about it is like you do need to
59:10
put good wingers around him. And if you
59:12
have D'vorak and if you have
59:13
Couttoriier,
59:15
you want
59:17
you're not going to play those three
59:19
guys in sequence in the lineup. If you
59:21
get another center, it's going to be
59:22
someone, God willing, who is better than
59:25
Couturier and and uh D'vorak
59:28
offensively,
59:28
>> God willing.
59:29
>> So, they would they would be playing
59:30
above Kates. That's just how the pecking
59:32
order would would break down. It's the
59:34
same how it would with Paling, even
59:35
though Paling like like we said, was a
59:37
very good player on the bottom on the
59:38
fourth line, but that's that's the
59:40
numbers game. And yeah, you could play
59:42
Kates with somebody good and and he
59:44
could get results again. Or maybe not.
59:46
You could reunite Forester uh Kate's
59:49
Brink again next year if you felt like
59:51
it and use that as your second or third
59:53
line. Sure. But I don't think that's a
59:56
necessarily a super high ceiling play
59:58
for the rest of the roster, especially
1:00:00
now that you have uh Ryan's favorite uh
1:00:04
3C.
1:00:05
>> Yeah, I I think I think I like the idea
1:00:08
from Joe using Kates as like the piece
1:00:10
to bring back a center if you're doing
1:00:12
that, but I think time might be running
1:00:14
out on that. Like no, Kate's already 27.
1:00:16
He just turned 27 earlier this month.
1:00:18
Like you have to do that this deadline
1:00:22
or the summer, maybe next season, but
1:00:25
like I know Charlie's talked about it
1:00:27
like Brier is not looking for a 1C right
1:00:29
now. They're going to wait. That's fine.
1:00:31
And I think I'm okay with that because
1:00:32
the more I think about Robert Thomas,
1:00:34
the more like he's not the guy.
1:00:37
>> So, and he's not like readily available
1:00:39
for a decent price. So,
1:00:41
>> right, he's a guy that you're going to
1:00:42
have to pay. You're going to have to
1:00:43
give up somebody you'd like to get. Like
1:00:46
you're 100% going to have to give up a
1:00:47
player you like. It's not just going to
1:00:49
be here's a bunch of trash, give us
1:00:50
Bobby Toms. Like not going to happen.
1:00:52
>> Yeah. It would be like Kates and
1:00:54
Forester and Lucheno in a pick or
1:00:56
something like that.
1:00:57
>> Yeah.
1:00:57
>> Yeah. No,
1:00:58
>> which I would maybe do, but I just don't
1:01:00
think the Flyers are ready to do that
1:01:02
yet.
1:01:03
>> And let's be honest, the only guy that
1:01:04
really would you would lose sleep at
1:01:06
night over losing in that deal is
1:01:08
Forester.
1:01:09
>> Yeah. Yeah. If we're talking
1:01:11
[clears throat] Austin Matthews, that's
1:01:12
a different story. But Robert Thomas, no
1:01:14
thanks.
1:01:15
>> Right now,
1:01:15
>> Austin Matthews is a guy who can score
1:01:17
60 plus goals. He's a guy I'll take a
1:01:19
guy who can score 40 plus. I'll take a
1:01:21
guy who can score 30 plus right now
1:01:23
because I don't even know if anybody's
1:01:24
going to hit that. Somebody's going to
1:01:25
hit him with this team.
1:01:26
>> I'll take one power play goal. I'll take
1:01:27
>> I'll take one power play goal. One
1:01:29
single Dale goal, please.
1:01:31
>> Jamie Dale scored a power play goal
1:01:32
right before the break.
1:01:34
>> Yeah, he's a defenseman.
1:01:36
>> Yeah, he's not a centerman.
1:01:37
>> Was that a power play goal or was that
1:01:38
was that six on five? And and but here's
1:01:41
the thing. Disresale is also a guy who I
1:01:43
like quite a bit, but he is a guy I mean
1:01:46
most of this roster are guys I'm willing
1:01:48
to deal. The only guys I'm losing sleep
1:01:50
over are Mishkov, Martone, and Forester.
1:01:54
>> Yeah. And and even with Dale, I think
1:01:57
>> I like Jamie and I think he's been much
1:01:59
better this year. And I I don't
1:02:00
necessarily believe that this is um like
1:02:04
as a net though, keeping him in the
1:02:06
lineup
1:02:07
makes it so Emil Andre is never going to
1:02:09
get back in and makes it so no Jules is
1:02:12
going to get in.
1:02:14
>> And that's the problem. It's not No, but
1:02:17
that's that's just how it's I don't
1:02:18
believe that like line of thinking, but
1:02:21
I just
1:02:22
>> that's what's going to end up happening.
1:02:24
It's going to knock no Emil Andre out of
1:02:26
out of town at some point because
1:02:28
they're not going to keep him as a
1:02:29
>> seven Andre they're not they're not
1:02:31
playing. They Andre's out of the pecking
1:02:33
order. Free him. Trade him in a package.
1:02:35
He's not He's not going to get the
1:02:37
proper
1:02:37
>> Andre is 100% a guy that they're going
1:02:39
to trade and probably regret in a couple
1:02:41
years.
1:02:42
>> Be like Rasma Sandine if Rasma Sandine
1:02:44
went from the league.
1:02:44
>> Another team will use him much better
1:02:46
than the Flyers, I think. And he's a
1:02:48
very talented guy.
1:02:49
>> It's very much like a Rick Tocket. Oh,
1:02:52
we got to get him in. We got to get him
1:02:53
in. Guess what, Rick? You set the
1:02:55
lineups. You set the lineups. You had
1:02:57
him sit for five games before the break
1:03:00
over.
1:03:00
>> WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR THE GUY WHO MAKES
1:03:01
THESE DECISIONS around here.
1:03:03
>> Hey, once I'm going to hold these guys
1:03:04
to account once I figure out who
1:03:06
[laughter] did this.
1:03:07
>> I am on I'm on the hunt.
1:03:10
>> Gee, somebody around here could do
1:03:12
something about this.
1:03:13
>> Maybe if Risto gets traded, it opens the
1:03:14
opportunity for Andre to be one of like
1:03:16
>> No, but I just did he leg surgery over
1:03:21
over this break. Unless he got if he
1:03:24
could play on stilts maybe.
1:03:25
>> Listen
1:03:27
is that he has that legal.
1:03:28
>> No, it's not Danny Breier though. Danny
1:03:30
Bre.
1:03:32
He's unfortunately I don't think unless
1:03:33
he forced him unless he traded for Sam
1:03:36
Gerard and said you have to either use
1:03:37
Gerard or Andre. That's who you use.
1:03:40
>> They're very much letting the coach set
1:03:41
the lineup and it's apparent.
1:03:43
>> Yeah, that's his job. But the GM sets
1:03:46
the roster like they
1:03:48
>> but the GM doesn't the GM also chooses
1:03:50
the coach and then the co they have to
1:03:52
live give the coach leeway. Rick Tocket
1:03:54
never would have come here as coach if
1:03:56
they didn't let him make that nightly
1:03:58
roster decision.
1:03:59
>> I I know but what I'm saying is like you
1:04:01
had Lane Peterson up here for playing 4C
1:04:03
for a couple games and then Briier is
1:04:05
like nah he like send him back down.
1:04:07
Albles is out. It forces Rick Taka to
1:04:09
play Ziggress at center for a couple
1:04:10
games because there is nobody else to do
1:04:13
it. If you trade Risto and Peterson
1:04:15
SUCKS. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT?
1:04:17
>> THEY WORK THEY WORK hand in hand though.
1:04:19
Like Breier wasn't like, "Oh, I'm taking
1:04:20
away Lane Peterson, so you can't play
1:04:22
him. You gotta put Zagris at center."
1:04:24
No, that was a discussion that that I'm
1:04:25
sure all three of them had.
1:04:27
>> I'm sure it just seems it seems it seems
1:04:30
like to me
1:04:31
>> that the world where you play Cam York
1:04:36
and Dale and Andre for Rick Taka team. I
1:04:40
just I don't think
1:04:42
>> for the final month of the season for
1:04:43
like
1:04:44
>> I don't think he's going to do it. I
1:04:45
don't think he would have if you give
1:04:46
him any other option he's going to do
1:04:48
that cuz Noah Jules is one of the worst
1:04:50
defenseman in the league and he's going
1:04:52
to choose that option.
1:04:53
>> Well, what if you trade Jules too? Risto
1:04:55
and both
1:04:57
>> they'll bring up Hunter McDonald and
1:04:59
play him. They'll bring up Merchesen and
1:05:01
play him.
1:05:03
>> Oh yeah. bump back to bump a few goals.
1:05:06
>> They'll play Max since
1:05:08
>> Max anybody.
1:05:10
>> Yeah. Any GM that would trade for Noah
1:05:12
Jolson should be fired on the spot. In
1:05:14
fact, the Flyer should be fired for
1:05:16
bringing him in in the first place
1:05:17
because he sucks.
1:05:18
>> Well, I understood because
1:05:21
No, he was so bad though. Like Vancouver
1:05:24
fans think he is the Antichrist.
1:05:26
>> It's one of those like there's literally
1:05:28
anybody else like I would rather have
1:05:30
the warm body of Hunter McDonald in
1:05:32
there. I would rather have the warm body
1:05:34
of Justin Braun in there than Noah Jen.
1:05:36
>> No, Matt Niskin.
1:05:38
>> Bring bring Keith Yandel back.
1:05:39
>> Oh, Matt Niskin
1:05:42
and
1:05:42
>> I have a serious beef with Keith Yandel.
1:05:45
>> Eric Johnson,
1:05:46
>> what's your beef with Keith Yandel? I
1:05:48
hated how much he whined about that
1:05:52
stupid [Β __Β ] streak and now he just
1:05:55
and now now
1:05:56
>> and now he's now he's like in the media
1:05:58
and he's like this like he's like
1:06:00
talking and he's like ribbon people and
1:06:02
it's like I remember what you were doing
1:06:05
Keith. You were praying so they would
1:06:06
give you these pity games at the end of
1:06:08
your career as you're getting turnstyled
1:06:10
by like fourthliners and AHLers on a
1:06:13
sheltered third pair of minutes buddy.
1:06:15
It's honestly very funny
1:06:17
>> player at the end of his career.
1:06:18
>> Keith Yandel came here and had the worst
1:06:21
year of his career. Eric Gustoson too
1:06:23
came here had the worst year of his
1:06:25
career.
1:06:25
>> Vinnie Lavalier was garbage here.
1:06:28
>> Oh, Vinnie Lavalier was one that it I
1:06:30
think the first year we all saw he was
1:06:32
bad but he put up 20 goals. So we're
1:06:33
like I guess I could deal with this. And
1:06:35
then
1:06:36
>> then he fell off the [laughter] cliff
1:06:37
even worse. And we were like well great
1:06:42
too. He was one of my favorite players
1:06:43
growing up and I
1:06:45
>> I hated
1:06:46
>> I was so excited to see him.
1:06:47
>> I hated his guts because of the ' 04
1:06:49
Flyers, but
1:06:51
>> I saw him I saw him fight a Ginla in the
1:06:54
04 finals and I was like, "Oh, I love
1:06:56
hockey."
1:06:57
>> Yeah,
1:06:58
>> 04 finals. I just was praying for death.
1:07:01
Like I Yeah, that was miserable. I've
1:07:04
had this thought regarding the talk at
1:07:06
Meech Goff stuff over the past few weeks
1:07:08
and it's probably not good to bring up
1:07:09
over an hour into a podcast that we want
1:07:11
to end soon, but do you guys think
1:07:13
there's a And Steve, you might know this
1:07:15
more because you're in PHY, you see the
1:07:17
comments and stuff.
1:07:18
>> Do you think I try to avoid them for the
1:07:20
record?
1:07:20
>> Yeah. But you have you have to read the
1:07:22
super chat. So like that's
1:07:23
>> I do. I do.
1:07:24
>> Yeah. Yeah. So
1:07:24
>> that's the only reason I knew people had
1:07:25
a giant beef with Sean Couttori was
1:07:27
super chats. I actually had no idea
1:07:29
because I'm completely off Twitterx.
1:07:32
just off.
1:07:33
>> Yeah. Do you think there's a
1:07:35
generational divide between the people
1:07:36
that grew up watching Tocket play and
1:07:39
the people that grew up watching Brier
1:07:41
play in the Rick Tocket verse Mitchkov
1:07:45
or even just liking or disliking Taket?
1:07:48
Because I feel like younger fans,
1:07:50
they're like, "Okay, we we like Brier,
1:07:51
we trust him." Older fans, they're like,
1:07:53
"Okay, we tal we saw Tocket play. He's a
1:07:55
grinder. He goes down swinging. He's won
1:07:57
some cups." Like, I feel like that could
1:07:59
be something. And it's also just a
1:08:01
generational mindset thing. But
1:08:03
>> I think it's more that. I think it's
1:08:04
more of that. Especially because old
1:08:07
school guys, they very much like, well,
1:08:09
you got to grind out there. You got to
1:08:11
work hard. Whereas they grew up with the
1:08:13
bullies, too. They grew up with, you
1:08:15
know, also '8s hockey, which is very
1:08:17
physical. '90s hockey is very physical.
1:08:19
It's only in the past 25 years and I
1:08:22
would even say like maybe 20 to 15 years
1:08:24
where the game's really become the
1:08:26
speedy game that it is now because it
1:08:28
was that clutch and grab era in the late
1:08:30
90s. It was funny because I was
1:08:32
revisiting this watching the Olympics
1:08:34
and like just thinking about some of the
1:08:35
insane rules we used to have because for
1:08:37
instance, you know, the two-line pass
1:08:39
was a rule back in the 90s which Joe as
1:08:42
you're the newest hockey fan of the four
1:08:44
of us, do you know what the two-line
1:08:46
pass is? You couldn't pass it from your
1:08:48
zone to like the opposing blue line,
1:08:52
right? Like that wasn't that wasn't
1:08:53
permitted, right?
1:08:54
>> Yeah. So, if it went over two lines,
1:08:56
they would blow the whistle.
1:08:57
>> Yeah. Like an offsides kind of thing.
1:08:59
Where did the where was the face off?
1:09:01
>> Like an icing face offer in the center.
1:09:04
>> You know, I'm trying to remember. It's
1:09:05
been a while.
1:09:06
>> Probably wherever wherever the pass was
1:09:07
made from, right?
1:09:08
>> I believe that's And they used to also
1:09:11
just drop the puck wherever, not on the
1:09:13
face off.
1:09:14
>> That was wild. That was crazy.
1:09:16
>> Yeah.
1:09:17
>> But the two-line pass was just one of
1:09:19
those infuriating things. And it was
1:09:21
also on top of that, you've got guys
1:09:23
that are, you know what I was thinking
1:09:25
about it? I was thinking about it
1:09:26
because I watched the Michigan State
1:09:27
Notre Dame game the other day and one of
1:09:30
the Notre Dame guys basically held
1:09:32
Porter Martone down to the ice behind
1:09:34
the net.
1:09:35
>> Didn't get a penalty. Then Martone got
1:09:37
up and like basically smacked the guy
1:09:39
around a little bit and then Marton got
1:09:41
the penalty, which I thought was insane.
1:09:43
And it reminded me of stuff that you
1:09:44
would get away with in the 90s. So just
1:09:47
think about that clutch and grab stuff,
1:09:48
but you had to be more physical back
1:09:50
then because you could do [Β __Β ] like
1:09:51
that. So I think the people who think
1:09:53
that you have to be a grinder, you have
1:09:55
to be physical, you got to give 110%.
1:09:56
They also Flyers fans in particular
1:09:59
never really liked or watched European
1:10:02
or Russian players because the Flyers
1:10:04
wouldn't draft them. They wouldn't sign
1:10:05
them. There were few exceptions to that.
1:10:08
So, for the most part, especially Bobby
1:10:09
Clark, who grew up uh in the league,
1:10:11
basically taking out the ACL's of
1:10:13
Russian players, you know, on purpose,
1:10:16
like those guys, I don't think
1:10:19
appreciate a lot of the nuances of
1:10:21
Mechov and they don't want to let this
1:10:23
like Russian guy really cook. Whereas
1:10:26
guys from the Briier era, guys who grew
1:10:28
up with Briier as a player, they grew up
1:10:30
with a faster game and they've grown up
1:10:32
with Sydney Crosby torching the Flyers
1:10:36
with uh Evenny Malin with uh you know
1:10:39
Alex Ovetkin. The rest of the league is
1:10:41
just zooming around the Flyers while
1:10:43
they're signing Darien Hatcher out there
1:10:45
to be like come back.
1:10:47
>> Mike Rafi
1:10:48
>> Mike Rafi who played like 10 games for
1:10:50
the Flyers and was hurt for like 15
1:10:51
years.
1:10:52
>> Adam Oats is a Flyers legend. Adam.
1:10:55
>> Oh man. Adam Ootes, man. Adam Ootes is I
1:10:57
think we did a a fly verbally under
1:10:59
quarantine a few years back. Obviously
1:11:01
during the quarantine and I think we
1:11:03
talked about like the we made a the best
1:11:07
Flyers roster we could out of like
1:11:08
ineffective like one-year Flyers or
1:11:10
something like that. Like
1:11:12
>> Adam is the greatest player to have a
1:11:15
shitty year for this team. I think
1:11:17
Howard Chuck's up there too, but
1:11:18
Howardchuck at least was a a component
1:11:20
from that 97 cup run, whereas Adam Oats
1:11:23
just was just like a drop in the bucket.
1:11:25
Like 14 games of [Β __Β ] and they gave
1:11:28
up good assets for him. So I yeah,
1:11:31
that's a cursed name in my household.
1:11:33
But uh yeah, I think there's definitely
1:11:35
a generational divide with this, but for
1:11:37
the most part, it feels like people are
1:11:40
frustrating
1:11:45
him like Fat Bay and stuff are just like
1:11:48
>> Twitter hanger honors that are just
1:11:51
bitter about everything to start with.
1:11:52
Yeah.
1:11:53
>> Overall, I feel like the fan base, like
1:11:55
if I took a poll, I feel like 80% of the
1:11:58
fan base would be on Mishkov's side in
1:12:00
this dispute. I think I think there's
1:12:02
definitely
1:12:04
>> a um there's there's a component that's
1:12:07
like the Twitter trolls and just the
1:12:09
agitators and the guys who are in the
1:12:11
replies and stuff and in the comments of
1:12:13
like um the PHLY, you know, post games,
1:12:17
whatever, who are just trying to dunk on
1:12:19
Matt Vy or dunk on whoever's good on the
1:12:21
Flyers when the team is bad, right? Um,
1:12:24
and then there's also a component like
1:12:26
you said kind of generation
1:12:28
generationally
1:12:30
um, who who I think hold on to like that
1:12:33
the that that team beating the USSR and
1:12:36
the Red Army and like leaving the ice
1:12:39
and they were so tough and so mean that
1:12:42
that they literally, you know, kicked
1:12:43
the Soviets around and and all of that.
1:12:46
Like I think that's one of those
1:12:47
memories that sticks out uh in in the
1:12:50
minds of like a fan from that era. And
1:12:53
as we're going, you know, into this
1:12:56
future with Mishkov as as one of the
1:12:58
figure heads of the team and talk, but
1:13:00
but with talkett still as the coach
1:13:03
still as, you know, one of the main
1:13:05
players um and I guess you can extend
1:13:07
that to torts as well.
1:13:10
I don't think that if like when you give
1:13:13
those guys the the more traditional fan
1:13:17
um a guy like Rick Tocket who says, "No,
1:13:19
no, you guys are correct. like this guy
1:13:21
needs to work harder. He needs to be
1:13:23
better. He needs to do all of XYZ or
1:13:26
else he's not, you know, going to be
1:13:29
good enough. You know, I I don't even
1:13:31
think you'll ever I don't think Mishkoff
1:13:33
will ever really get those guys back.
1:13:35
You know, he could have 60 70 point
1:13:37
years next year or something, right? I
1:13:39
don't think that changes the the mindset
1:13:41
of of those people like like that you'd
1:13:44
need like a 95 point year where he looks
1:13:47
dominant and stuff like that and the
1:13:49
team is actually good. also to boot. I I
1:13:52
think that's what you need to get people
1:13:53
back on his side and I think that's
1:13:54
probably, you know, one of the things
1:13:57
that
1:13:59
I I'm not sure how you can deal with um
1:14:02
right now cuz that's why you can't stoke
1:14:04
the flames. Like it's not even about uh
1:14:07
whether you're right or not. Like it's
1:14:10
none of this is about whether you're
1:14:12
correct.
1:14:12
>> No, it's no one cares about facts. No,
1:14:15
>> no, no. It's it's just saying it out
1:14:17
loud in the internet era, in the
1:14:20
internet age, and starting the
1:14:21
conversation again and again and again.
1:14:24
Who is it helping? Is this going to help
1:14:26
anyone's development? Is it going to
1:14:28
help Rick Tocket? No. Is it going to
1:14:30
help Mishkov? No. Is it going to help
1:14:31
the organization, Danny Brriier? No,
1:14:33
it's not going to help anybody. It
1:14:34
doesn't help anybody. It's not going to
1:14:36
help when it comes to, you know,
1:14:37
contract negotiations, when it comes to
1:14:39
his long-term future. So that's that's
1:14:42
the thing that like
1:14:44
it all does unfortunately come back to
1:14:46
talk it because he just handled it like
1:14:48
[Β __Β ] when it initially came up and I
1:14:50
don't think we're going to put like
1:14:52
Pandora's box kind of open on this one
1:14:54
where the criticism of Mishkov is that
1:14:57
that wasn't really present last year
1:14:59
because
1:15:00
people kind of knew he wasn't playing
1:15:02
with the greatest players which is still
1:15:03
you know a fact now. Um, and people knew
1:15:06
that he was young, which is also still a
1:15:08
fact now on a team that isn't expected
1:15:10
to be very good, which is all of those
1:15:13
things are still true.
1:15:14
>> Next season is it. Like, if Meechov has
1:15:16
the gang buster summer that he needs to
1:15:18
have, comes into camp, he's fit, he's
1:15:21
ready to go,
1:15:22
>> and he's still going through this kind
1:15:23
of [Β __Β ] treatment through most of
1:15:25
next season. You would you fire Rick
1:15:28
Tocket after two years as into a
1:15:30
five-year contract? Probably not. But
1:15:32
like you you're trying to resign this
1:15:35
guy cuz next year is his last year of
1:15:37
his ELC. Um it's also Tyson Forers's
1:15:40
last year of his bridge deal. Like you
1:15:44
you're going to have to pick one at the
1:15:45
end of next season probably. Like and if
1:15:48
if this just continues through next
1:15:50
year, we got a huge problem.
1:15:52
>> What do you mean pick one? Pick one
1:15:53
between Meechov and Tocket or Me and
1:15:55
Forester?
1:15:56
>> Yes. meet.
1:15:58
>> No, I don't I don't I think that's that
1:16:00
that might be the big stretch of the
1:16:01
week here from Joe.
1:16:03
>> Yeah. No, I'm saying like in a year.
1:16:05
>> The thing is he's also an RFA. So like
1:16:08
unless he pulls a cutter goier
1:16:11
there's not
1:16:11
>> Matthew did it.
1:16:14
Briier has made it clear that I mean he
1:16:16
has to say but he said Mishkoff is going
1:16:17
to be here and like you you pick the 23
1:16:21
22 year old superstar at that point over
1:16:23
correct
1:16:24
>> a head coach who
1:16:25
>> I also I mean as much as Mishkov gives
1:16:28
those diplomatic answers today but like
1:16:30
again from what I can see Mishkov is
1:16:33
proud to be a flyer and likes being a
1:16:35
flyer he every time the team wins he
1:16:37
posts the celebratory picks online and
1:16:39
stuff like that so I don't know like he
1:16:41
doesn't have to do all that So, my
1:16:44
perception is like he's not as unhappy
1:16:46
as we think he is, but I would very much
1:16:49
like the organization to do something to
1:16:51
up that ice time because it's
1:16:52
ridiculous.
1:16:53
>> Yeah. And and he's not unhappy yet. But
1:16:56
another thing I do wonder about is like
1:16:58
how long do you push this, you know?
1:17:02
>> Yes. When when does the the the
1:17:06
um the the threads start to wear thin on
1:17:09
this one? Because like or the treads
1:17:11
start to wear thin, sorry, on this one
1:17:12
because like he can he can do that for
1:17:16
so long. But if he's going to continue
1:17:18
playing with guys who just aren't going
1:17:21
to really they're not even really trying
1:17:24
to create all that much offense, right?
1:17:25
I mean, that's not really what they're
1:17:27
out there to do all all the time.
1:17:31
you know, if you go into next year and
1:17:32
you're still having these sorts of
1:17:34
situations come up, uh, that's what's
1:17:38
really going to matter. I think the rest
1:17:40
of this year, I think we've said it a
1:17:41
lot, but it's kind of just a write-off.
1:17:43
You just hope he can do his best as he
1:17:45
can and like if he went point per game
1:17:47
the rest of the way or something crazy
1:17:48
like that, then you're like, "Okay,
1:17:50
we're all back to square one." And I
1:17:52
don't think we have any complaints about
1:17:54
um what he's doing. But you need the
1:17:56
opportunity to be able to do that. And
1:17:58
at this point when
1:18:01
everything else hasn't seemed to really
1:18:02
work all that well, I mean, you might as
1:18:04
well just ride the horses that you think
1:18:08
can get you the furthest. I don't know
1:18:10
what it thinks that is, but um you know,
1:18:14
it is it is going to have to be Mishkov
1:18:17
at least as one of the top three
1:18:18
forwards.
1:18:19
>> Yeah.
1:18:19
>> Yeah.
1:18:20
>> Yeah. And I think it might just force
1:18:22
Briier to trade a rightwing this
1:18:24
offseason. Whether it's Tippet, whether
1:18:26
it's Brink,
1:18:27
>> maybe they talk to Kknney and move him
1:18:29
to the left side, but like you have
1:18:30
Marton who plays left side. I think you
1:18:32
have Forester on the left side. So like
1:18:34
>> you do have too many right wings and
1:18:36
looking at them, it's either trade
1:18:38
Tippet for like a 1C
1:18:40
>> or unfortunately trade my boy Bobby
1:18:41
Brink, but that that does make the most
1:18:43
sense.
1:18:44
>> Yeah, we'll see. Well, I mean, we got a
1:18:47
week or 10 days. 10 days till the
1:18:50
deadline.
1:18:51
>> Yeah.
1:18:52
>> Um Yeah. Yeah. So that's
1:18:55
>> right.
1:18:56
>> I I do want to mention here about how uh
1:18:57
Rick Tocket didn't come back and join
1:18:59
the Flyers in Vorhees today with Travis
1:19:01
Anaheim. I'm going to be joining the
1:19:02
team in DC. So just wanted to point that
1:19:04
out there. Uh maybe wanted to see the
1:19:07
Lincoln Memorial, man. Like you know
1:19:09
Jefferson
1:19:09
>> question your commitment to Sparkle
1:19:11
Motion
1:19:11
>> Washington. Come on.
1:19:13
>> Who Who doesn't want to be?
1:19:15
>> No. Who doesn't want to be in
1:19:16
>> I want to stay on vacation too.
1:19:18
>> I think that's what it is. That's what
1:19:20
it comes down to, right? Anybody else?
1:19:22
Travis Sanheim is coming back and coming
1:19:23
with with the team though. He couldn't
1:19:24
travel with
1:19:24
>> Sanheim because Travis Sanheim's a real
1:19:26
one. Okay. And uh a defensive defenseman
1:19:29
at that.
1:19:30
>> He is he is the steady defensive
1:19:32
defenseman we've always been looking
1:19:33
for.
1:19:34
>> We love We love Sne. Sy's a a good time
1:19:37
right here. And he had a a nice little
1:19:39
tournament for himself.
1:19:40
>> Better than the guy he replaced,
1:19:43
>> Ivan Proarov.
1:19:44
>> Oh. Oh, it fell. We don't need to talk
1:19:46
about that.
1:19:47
>> You say replaced, they played together
1:19:49
for like five years. Yeah,
1:19:51
>> he was always second to
1:19:52
>> pro. He replaced his minutes for sure,
1:19:54
but
1:19:54
>> he definitely did. He's definitely
1:19:56
become better than him as well, which is
1:19:57
not something I thought would be 100% a
1:20:00
certainty.
1:20:01
>> Yes, I would like to wrap this up, but
1:20:03
uh I will say it has been nice to see
1:20:06
Sanheim's career progress like it has,
1:20:08
but my one takeaway from the Olympics
1:20:10
is, man, I'd love this guy on the second
1:20:12
pair again because he did so well with
1:20:15
less minutes. And it just shows you like
1:20:17
if you could get a workhorse like true
1:20:19
like first pairing guy and let Sanheim
1:20:22
be like he's a great second banana
1:20:24
frankly I would love to see him back
1:20:26
there because
1:20:26
>> he is so dynamic with low minutes like
1:20:29
he can really just fly around and
1:20:31
activate in the offensive zone and he
1:20:33
can play more offensively minded. I
1:20:35
think we get deprived of seeing that
1:20:36
with the Flyers so much.
1:20:38
>> Yep. That I was thinking
1:20:40
>> totally [laughter]
1:20:42
good but he's not as dynamic.
1:20:44
>> Yeah. Get get one of those defenseman
1:20:46
out of Buffalo like like get a get a get
1:20:48
a buy him or a power or one of those
1:20:50
guys. trade him trade him before. Trade
1:20:52
Noah K and something for
1:20:54
>> I think I think Joe I think Joe what we
1:20:57
more so would uh would consider as like
1:21:01
the answer is playing San on the top
1:21:04
pair but getting a second pair where you
1:21:05
would be like we can throw the second
1:21:07
pair out on the PK as the number one PK
1:21:09
or we can throw one of the guys on the
1:21:11
second pair on the power play and we can
1:21:13
play the second pair sometimes you know
1:21:15
20 something minutes a night if if it's
1:21:16
need be. That's what the problem is.
1:21:19
It's the depth more so than what it's
1:21:21
what we've been talking about on the pod
1:21:22
for months is that uh defense is moving
1:21:25
more towards role players rather than it
1:21:27
is like the number one do it all every
1:21:29
situation 26 minutes a night guy like
1:21:32
the 84 games a season the playoffs
1:21:34
that's just not sustainable long term so
1:21:38
you you develop these like more
1:21:40
specialized role players deeper down and
1:21:42
if Sanheim's just a five on five guy
1:21:46
>> well Rick Tocket sure likes running him
1:21:49
into the ground because he's playing him
1:21:50
26 minutes a night. So
1:21:51
>> Tors did too. Tors did too.
1:21:53
>> Oh, for sure. But they're both from a
1:21:56
similar era right there. It feels like
1:21:58
nothing changed at all except for how
1:22:00
the coach treats Matt Fame Mishkov.
1:22:01
Awesome. And uh this one doesn't want to
1:22:03
murder uh Cam York every time he sees
1:22:05
him. So [laughter]
1:22:06
>> yeah, and that's another thing. Cam York
1:22:08
Cam York on the second pair is the one
1:22:10
you really need. Cam York on the second
1:22:12
pair would be very good. Yeah,
1:22:13
>> you need Sanheim to get a new partner
1:22:15
and then everyone shifts down. And even
1:22:16
if you had Sanheim exfisto
1:22:20
York or Daledale and somebody else and
1:22:24
you start to see more more
1:22:26
combinations there. Risto obviously
1:22:28
might be gone by the time.
1:22:30
>> Ultimate frustration with the Risto era
1:22:32
is Chuck Fletcher spends that capital to
1:22:34
get a guy who can't even play on the
1:22:35
first pair. And Risto is the kind of guy
1:22:37
you want playing like 25 minutes a
1:22:39
night. this nasty guy who hangs around
1:22:41
the goal and stuff like that who can
1:22:43
toss guys into the stands and he doesn't
1:22:45
do any of that [Β __Β ] most of the time.
1:22:46
So, and he's hurt all the time. So, it's
1:22:48
awesome. Um, all right, cool. Well, I
1:22:50
think this is a great place. While we're
1:22:52
all now fired up and angry and dreading
1:22:54
the Flyers coming back, we've gotten
1:22:56
ourselves fired up. We're fired up and
1:22:58
dreading life again. So, there we go,
1:23:01
>> folks. We're going to head on out of
1:23:02
here, but thanks to everybody for
1:23:04
joining me again, thanks to our sponsor,
1:23:05
FanDuel. Any parting words, uh, Gilbs?
1:23:09
Uh, one more hot take here. Servoski
1:23:12
returns to the Flyers this summer.
1:23:14
>> Oh my god, you saved that FOR NOW.
1:23:16
>> WHY WOULD YOU DROP THAT ON US? ALL
1:23:18
RIGHT, WE'RE GOING another hour. Screw
1:23:20
that. No, I can't on this right now. I
1:23:22
want to so bad. All right. Uh, Joe De
1:23:24
Moranny, what any uh parting words?
1:23:27
>> Go Flyers.
1:23:28
>> There you go. Beautiful. Jacob, parting
1:23:31
words.
1:23:32
>> Um,
1:23:34
I'm gonna start doing draft stuff.
1:23:37
>> Hell [laughter] yeah. Hell yeah. Can't
1:23:39
watch the games. I can't do it.
1:23:40
>> It's going to be tough to watch the
1:23:42
games after the Olympics, man.
1:23:43
>> Well, I'm going to be doing about a
1:23:45
million post games, so it's going to be
1:23:46
awesome. Great march. Great.
1:23:48
>> I don't envy the Flyers after dark
1:23:50
postgame losses at all.
1:23:52
>> Keep an eye out for Bronxford hockey
1:23:54
post games this week with us.
1:23:55
>> We will be on it. We will be on it for
1:23:57
sure.
1:23:57
>> Otherwise, they're not me.
1:23:58
>> Got to kick the Instagram up. Get that
1:24:00
going again.
1:24:02
>> There wasn't really anything to talk
1:24:03
about that's positive and I don't want
1:24:05
to do totally negative stuff. So,
1:24:07
>> I'm almost done. I'm almost done grad
1:24:09
school, so I'll have some mental
1:24:10
capacity to do more on the Broad Street
1:24:12
Hockey Network. So, be sure to like and
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channels. And uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank
1:24:19
you so much, folks. And until next time,
1:24:20
in the words of the great Jean Hart,
1:24:21
good night and good hockey.
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