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The Philadelphia Flyers' actions are louder than their words. They sent Samu Tuomaala down to the AHL as quickly as they could, so they clearly don't see him in their plans. Could a TRADE BE COMING?
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[Music]
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Flyers preseason is among us. We're
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three games in, but could they be
0:05
trading a player soon? Are there players
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on the way out even before regular
0:10
season starts or a couple weeks into the
0:12
regular season? That's the question that
0:13
we are asking right now because some
0:15
writing is on the wall. Honestly, I'm
0:17
joined by Ryan Gilbert of Broy
0:18
Hockey.com. I am Thomas Williams of
0:20
Broadstry Hockey.com. and Gilbert. I
0:22
think the the first player that comes to
0:25
mind immediately when we're talking
0:27
about players on the outs and players
0:29
that the Flyers might not want to
0:32
potentially see a future in or not have
0:35
a place long term is Simo Tamala, the
0:37
22-year-old winger from Finland, two two
0:41
seasons in the HL. What's your kind of
0:42
vibe check on what do you think the
0:44
Flyers think of Tuallo?
0:47
It it's really hard to get a grasp on on
0:49
how they view Samala. Or maybe we should
0:52
just actually take their actions as as
0:55
their feelings on him because he was a
0:57
part of the cuts on on Thursday which is
1:00
like the third round of cuts and like
1:01
the round of cuts with like the lower
1:03
lower level guys like so very surprising
1:06
to see him among that. I know we wrote
1:08
on that atrehockey.com because yeah he's
1:11
22 you know he he's coming off a so
1:15
year. uh 32 points in 46 games, a down
1:19
year from the year before, but also
1:20
played fewer games due to injury. Um I
1:23
don't I don't know what to think of him.
1:26
I've just always expected more, but that
1:28
might just be how he's kind of
1:30
presented, too.
1:32
No, exactly. Like I think it's basically
1:34
he's in a similar position that some
1:37
other like skilled prospects find
1:39
themselves in of like I'm either going
1:42
to be playing top six minutes that kind
1:44
of style or not playing at all because
1:47
they can no longer adapt to a bottom six
1:50
role. They they don't have the tenacity,
1:52
the grit, the whatever you want to call
1:54
it that that coaches like some players
1:57
having. Of course, there's like third
1:58
line players that are not like super
2:00
gritty like we know in in Philadelphia
2:02
with like Bobby Brink isn't like
2:04
crushing anyone anytime soon, but um
2:08
there's players that the Flyers already
2:10
have that fit that mold. So, I think Tua
2:12
is basically you are he would have to
2:15
fight and climb over the brink, the
2:17
Kknney, the Mitchkovs, Tippets,
2:19
Forester, like you already through a
2:21
bunch of wingers. And is he getting
2:24
better than any of them? No, I don't
2:25
think so. I think other prospects are
2:27
jumping over him. So I think Tua was
2:30
like it was surprising that he was part
2:32
of those initial cuts along with like
2:34
the AHL only players and then like a guy
2:37
they just traded for that's I think
2:39
scored nine points in the AHL last year
2:41
and Tucker Robertson like you're he he's
2:43
lumped in with these players in this cut
2:46
that's like oh I'm now just like in the
2:49
AHL even before the AHL training camp
2:51
started because that's starting this
2:52
weekend. It's It's suddenly you're he's
2:55
kind of lost in the system.
2:57
Yeah. You can't even say it like, "Okay,
3:00
maybe they're going to frame it like
3:01
this. Okay, we sent him down to get him
3:03
ready for Phantom's training camp. He he
3:05
wasn't on the roster bubble. We want him
3:07
to have, you know, a good a good season
3:10
start to the season in Lehigh Valley and
3:12
and they make that excuse." But yeah,
3:15
training camp hasn't started yet for the
3:16
Phantoms. they could have kept them up
3:18
for, you know, another game. Have them
3:20
get a game in Philadelphia, which I
3:21
think is important for some of these
3:24
prospects. You know, get let them feel
3:26
the energy even if it's just a
3:28
half-filled uh arena there. But yeah,
3:32
you know, bringing up Bobby Brink, you
3:34
know, it made me pull up his uh elite
3:36
pro prospects page because they were
3:37
both second round picks. Brink 34th
3:39
overall to Amala 46th overall. But
3:43
Brink, what two years ago? So 2023 24
3:47
was the year he he really impressed in
3:49
camp and that's when he made the team
3:50
out of camp. He got sent back down
3:52
during the year.
3:53
But you know the year before that he
3:55
only had 28 points in 41 games in his
3:58
first full Phantom season. Uh obviously
4:01
he had higher point totals in college
4:03
than Tualla did in Lia over in Finland,
4:07
but you know kind of different styles of
4:09
play there and you just want Tualla to
4:12
impress at some point and he has not
4:15
since I think two years ago now he got
4:18
like concussed in the preseason after
4:20
having a good start, but since then it's
4:22
just been downhill.
4:24
Yeah. It's just like if you're not
4:25
adapting your game into playing a
4:28
certain way, then basically you have to
4:31
show something more. And I and he hasn't
4:33
yet. So I think right now he's at risk
4:36
of honestly the Flyers moving on from
4:38
him. like it it totally just makes sense
4:40
for
4:42
a team to potentially
4:44
like see what's up and like because the
4:46
Flyers have so many wingers that are
4:49
above Tamala in the depth chart and um I
4:52
wrote in the article at
4:53
broadstrehockey.com about this um that
4:56
basically
4:58
you Tumal is stuck in this middle ground
5:00
of like okay he's not forcer tippet that
5:01
are NHL regulars but then there's these
5:04
young wingers that are coming up the
5:06
Denver Bark he's making his NHL debut
5:08
um HL season kind of debut he's rookie
5:11
in there. Um you have your Shane Van
5:13
Sagis, your Jack Burags, you have your
5:15
players that fit more of the Flyers,
5:18
what they're trying to build. And
5:20
because Tuamala doesn't really fit that
5:22
right now in like a physical forcheing
5:25
way, then it's just like you should
5:27
probably move on from him when he still
5:29
has some potential like value. And I I'm
5:32
not saying he's like the most coveted
5:34
player in the world, but he's a former
5:36
second round pick. He scored 0.7 points
5:39
per game in the AHL last year and like
5:42
that's above pretty good prospects like
5:45
a Rucker McGordy or Dylan Duke or Owen
5:47
Beck Fabian Les like former first round
5:50
picks um that are under 22 and like
5:55
like I don't know it's just like it's
5:57
it's hard to see that point total and
6:00
not think that if he's a change of
6:02
scenery it's not something that we just
6:04
saw with J.R. Avon with like a swap for
6:06
Tucker Robertson. Um, it's something
6:08
that's above that and I think it could
6:11
potentially just do both the team and
6:13
player good. Like if Samala was like in
6:17
like if he was sent to Pittsburgh and I
6:18
I know it sucks that it's indivision but
6:20
like Pittsburgh he would get more
6:21
opportunity to potentially be that
6:23
player and like or if like even in like
6:26
Columbus or something or um I'm just
6:28
spitballing but like Calgary like even
6:31
like they have similar players like they
6:33
would they probably need more of their
6:35
just like offensive kind of prospects in
6:38
general. I I think there's just like
6:40
other teams that would see more into
6:42
Amala and they would just like give him
6:44
first line in the NHL and just see
6:46
what's up and you score a point per game
6:48
and then bring them up. Like I think
6:49
there's a road
6:51
to NHL success for Twala, but it's not
6:54
going to be in Philly at all.
6:57
I mean, you're listing off teams there.
6:58
I'm surprised you didn't list off the
7:00
the finish five. He could join them down
7:02
in Dallas. He can join
7:04
he can join the Fins in Florida and be a
7:06
be a player that Flyers bad. We're
7:08
talking about good NHL teams, though.
7:10
I'm talking about bad ones that
7:12
Well, you're No, I know. But I mean,
7:14
just that that's that's a type of team
7:16
that I think could be interested in a
7:17
player like Tua who hasn't got his
7:20
chance yet, is going to be cheap.
7:22
And you know, a team I think for a Tua
7:25
trade is going to be a team coming to
7:27
the Flyers asking for like Bobby Brink
7:29
in a package and they're like, "Okay,
7:30
how about we give you two Mala and a
7:32
later pick instead?" Like, cuz I feel
7:34
like they could end up being very
7:36
similar players. love my boy Bobby
7:39
Brink. He's three inches shorter. So,
7:41
Tualla probably does have more value uh
7:44
around the league. And that's maybe what
7:46
the Flyers have to do. If teams came
7:48
calling about Bobby Brink, maybe they,
7:50
you know, go revisit that for for a
7:52
defenseman for Tamala, especially how
7:54
the blue line has looked uh so far.
7:56
Yeah, like so far this preseason, we've
7:59
seen that there's a definitely like
8:00
basically a whole uh a whole canyon in
8:03
between the NHL defenseman that are
8:06
capable of playing and then like you
8:07
have your Noah Jules, Helga Grons, uh
8:11
Adam Jenning. Like I think the the
8:14
Flyers need someone maybe to like just
8:16
bring some a little juice, a little
8:18
youth to uh the system, the
8:22
organization, a little a little young
8:24
juice. Um Okay.
8:26
Like just to uh like Oliver Bon's
8:29
coming, but like someone just like older
8:31
than them. Like basically Tua Aala on
8:33
defense, but like big and strong.
8:36
They need defenseman Nikita Gbankin is
8:38
what they need. Someone fun, someone
8:40
that'll be happily play third pair of
8:42
minutes, have great quotes. That's what
8:44
they need. That that's what they need.
8:46
So who's like uh
8:48
a Russian defenseman that's just like
8:51
22? Honestly, there's there's a guy uh
8:55
oh, I forget his name in Vancouver. He
8:58
was playing in Abbottzford.
9:00
Now I'm just looking up stuff. But um
9:02
anyways, there
9:03
Yeah, I mean I mean two of us I mean
9:06
Jacob too are probably the sickos that
9:08
know the most NHL players. So like I
9:11
feel like we have to be able to think of
9:12
of somebody that could uh that could
9:15
fill the
9:15
Yeah. I mean I mean in if we're talking
9:18
about Vancouver specifically, there's
9:19
Victor Manchini who is they got in the
9:20
GT below trade.
9:22
Victor, that's a great South Philly name
9:24
there.
9:24
He's his little name is Vtorio. That's
9:27
his actual first.
9:27
Victoria Manchini.
9:29
Yeah. Um right shot deed 23 years old.
9:32
Big and mean and physical. Um, like I
9:36
think if you add to Amala and like a
9:38
third, could you get like we're just
9:40
throwing stuff out there, but like I
9:42
think Manchini is someone that like the
9:44
Flyers could potentially look for as
9:46
like just someone that's under 24 and
9:50
like just looking for a new lease on
9:52
they just got Manini. I'm sure like the
9:53
Conucks love him cuz they just acquired
9:55
him. So, it's not going to be him. But
9:57
like talking about prospects that are
9:59
just like on the cusp, but they're
10:01
blocked a little bit and like there's a
10:03
real big opportunity to basically be a
10:05
Knicks dealer replacement potentially
10:06
down the road like that kind of player.
10:08
Um I
10:10
I don't want to go too far off on a
10:12
tangent here, but like what what is
10:13
Buffalo doing on defense? Like could you
10:15
give them to Amala and someone else? And
10:18
like I mean they're not trading Dene or
10:20
Power. Like
10:22
maybe you take back No, you don't want
10:23
Samson's contract. Like that be
10:25
No, that's good. Oh, that's you know
10:27
maybe maybe you somehow get Bo Byum and
10:30
you do Tamala and like another big
10:32
prospect and a
10:33
No, I think that I I think that's way I
10:35
think you're overhyping you're
10:36
overhyping to There's Ryan Johnson. So
10:38
Ryan Johnson is a left hand shot 24 year
10:42
old um 61 194 but he was playing um he's
10:48
played some games in the in the NHL.
10:50
He's played 41 games in 23 24 and then
10:52
just three last year but he's like 63 66
10:57
games 13 points like he's not a point
10:59
producer but uh University of Minnesota
11:02
product like I think he's played world
11:03
juniors a lot for for USA um like that
11:06
kind of guy where it's just like I don't
11:09
think he's getting a lot of leeway in
11:11
Buffalo. I think he's kind of blocked as
11:13
a left-hand shot. You have your Byum
11:15
Dalene power already there. Um,
11:19
you could do that swap and I wouldn't
11:20
think twice of it. I think he's clearly
11:24
I think he's ultimately just like way
11:26
better than the options that they have
11:29
from what I've seen Ryan Johnson. Like I
11:31
think there's just more
11:33
potential there than GR or something
11:35
like that. So I think that's what you're
11:36
talking about. I think that's the kind
11:37
of swap like lowlevel
11:39
like elevated a a level of just like AHL
11:44
swap of scenery. um is what you're I
11:48
think what that level you're talking
11:49
about. I don't think you're getting any
11:51
any like
11:52
guaranteed I was saying as part of a
11:54
package. I know you're not trading to a
11:56
malo straight up for any any of those
11:58
guys unless it's Yeah. And maybe you
12:00
know maybe you try to find a team out
12:01
there that has you know a center that
12:03
you're trying to trade and then you have
12:05
somebody that maybe you know they're a
12:08
year or two older and they can be that
12:09
guy that you can call up if there's an
12:12
injury to a top six center because they
12:14
don't have that right now. Like
12:16
especially if they send Luchenko back
12:17
like you're not putting Rodrigo Ables on
12:19
the second line. Love him but but you're
12:21
not doing that. Like so maybe you look
12:22
for you look for someone like that.
12:24
Yeah. I I think I think they're just
12:26
like if they're moving to Amala I think
12:30
they're just looking for someone
12:31
basically just like him. So, it's just
12:33
like it it it becomes just an
12:35
interesting conversation of like do you
12:37
move on from the player this early and
12:40
or do you see like I could see a world
12:43
where it's just like the Flyers are fine
12:45
with just leaving him down there and
12:46
seeing what they have after this season.
12:48
Just like play him with they need
12:50
someone to score goals especially if
12:52
like Barky and and the other kind of
12:55
rookies and Carson Dor don't like hit
12:57
off like crazy and it bumps in the NHL.
13:00
if uh like the Brent kids in the NHL,
13:03
like I think there's someone just needs
13:05
someone there with AHL experience, but
13:06
is younger. Um they just keep him there.
13:09
But I think moving on from him could
13:12
potentially like entice some teams and
13:15
they're probably they'd be smart to take
13:17
calls on him. Like that's basically what
13:19
I'm saying. They'd be smart to be like,
13:20
we have no use of this player, but he's
13:22
kind of sick.
13:23
Yeah. Yeah. Fast and
13:25
whatever.
13:25
Yeah. We're going way too long on toala
13:27
here when we other players get to. One
13:29
last thing here is like does it hurt to
13:32
keep him and see if he can turn around
13:34
this year? Like there there's no there
13:36
should be no rush to trade him. So yeah,
13:37
maybe you go out and look for a
13:39
defenseman that can be NHL AHL ready and
13:43
fill in better than these guys we've
13:45
seen out there. But give him a time.
13:47
Like you don't want to give up on a
13:48
prospect too early.
13:50
Yeah. I think I think the main thing of
13:53
our feelings of Tuala or what I'm
13:55
thinking right now is like
13:57
this
13:59
this cut clearly shows that the Flyers
14:02
don't love him. This his preseason
14:05
performance and rookie camp and all this
14:08
stuff in development camp or whatever.
14:09
He wasn't at def camp but rookie camp.
14:11
Um that shows that he's like he's not
14:15
blowing the doors off anytime soon. So,
14:17
I think his timeline has cut short. Like
14:20
his his leash and like road to becoming
14:24
a a flyer has suddenly been like, "Okay,
14:27
you basically have just this year and
14:28
that's it." Like, if you don't pop off
14:30
this year, then like by the time you're
14:32
23, you're probably out the door. Like,
14:34
I I think I think it's something like
14:36
that. Like, if you're you basically have
14:39
you could you if you're not a point per
14:41
game AHL player this season, then it's
14:44
just like you probably don't have a
14:45
future here. Like if if he showed up
14:47
preseason and was like one of the last
14:49
cuts in the in the preseason in training
14:51
camp, if he was like sticking around
14:53
right up until the end, then we could be
14:56
like, "Okay, he has like two years. He's
14:57
fine. It's chill. They're not moving on
14:59
from him. They like him fine." But I
15:01
think this just shows a more urgency
15:03
that he needs to have.
15:06
Yeah, I I think he needs to be given a
15:08
chance in the AHL here with, you know, a
15:11
decent coach behind the bench and like a
15:13
good team as well. felt like he can play
15:14
with better line mates because the
15:16
Phantom should be a good team. But yeah,
15:18
Tamala, he he needs to bring something
15:22
to to the to the conversation here with
15:23
with the Flyers winner group and he just
15:26
has not so far.
15:27
Yeah. Could you see them making any
15:29
other trades like within the next couple
15:30
months or so?
15:32
Well, I I wrote about it at brewery.com.
15:34
I think it was published on uh Friday
15:36
morning. Is that uh it's time for the
15:38
Flyers to move on from Nick Deloreier.
15:40
I'm not really sure how much
15:41
conversation there is to have about
15:43
where he could be traded to because
15:45
basically whatever team wants him can
15:47
take him. He's in it last year of his
15:50
deal. He's got a 1.75 cap pit. But also,
15:54
as I wrote, like Brier is not going to
15:56
trade him like he's not going to
15:57
blindside Delari. That's just not how
15:59
the Flyers operate. They can easily be
16:01
like, "All right, go play a few games.
16:03
You'll get banged up. You go on IR again
16:06
like you did last year." But the main
16:08
point is that there's there's these guys
16:10
battling for roster spots or trying to
16:12
with Luchenko Ables Grabbankin Bump Tony
16:16
Dick I'd rather have on the team than
16:18
Deloreier. It's just like he's he's worn
16:21
out as welcome here. He just has great
16:23
guy to have have around but I just don't
16:25
see a need for him.
16:27
Yeah. It's basically like if you're like
16:31
would you be comfortable in just not
16:32
being on the roster but you're able to
16:33
hang out and practice? Can you have a
16:36
player that's like not like a non-roster
16:38
player? Do you just like agree to that
16:40
just to be a non-roster player, but
16:42
you're just like hanging out? Cuz like
16:43
he's literally taking up a spot and
16:44
taking up a cap space.
16:46
Yeah.
16:46
But like I don't see
16:49
like do like I if I were to put an under
16:52
I don't think I don't think he's
16:53
touching 40 games at all.
16:55
I think I don't think he's touching 30.
16:57
Like maybe around there. Like
16:58
I'm looking up right now. He had 31
17:00
games last year. Let me look up his game
17:02
logs last
17:03
cuz when did when when did he get hurt?
17:05
He played through November 9th
17:08
down in Florida. Came back home and did
17:10
not play again till February 4th. So
17:12
yeah, that that that's fine there. Get
17:14
in five, seven games, you know, get a
17:17
bit, you know, get a few fights, excite
17:19
the crowd, get get a little bit banged
17:21
up and put you on IR and hang around the
17:23
team. That's okay.
17:24
Perfect.
17:26
Played IR.
17:27
Yeah,
17:28
I mean I I think that's really it. Those
17:30
are the two contenders really. Like I
17:32
don't think they're making any moves
17:35
like crazy soon. I don't think they're
17:36
going to be shuffling the roster right
17:39
now. Like
17:41
yeah, I think that's those are the two
17:44
real like strong like if they do
17:46
anything potentially like just to give a
17:50
change of scenery for a guy and then
17:52
also to just like clear up some space
17:54
and just like maybe even pay I don't
17:58
think they're pay to get rid of him, but
17:59
like just I don't know. I I don't see a
18:03
reason why he's hanging around really.
18:05
Yeah. Do you think there's any players
18:07
the Flyers could lose on waivers? You
18:10
know, here before before the season,
18:12
these GMs don't want to upset each other
18:14
too much and everyone has their their
18:16
same kind of level of players that they
18:18
want to get through, but like do you
18:20
think like a Jenning or Gr or Tony Dick
18:24
or or uh one of the veteran defenseman
18:26
they signed could uh potentially be
18:28
waved and claimed?
18:30
I don't I don't see anyone like
18:33
maybe
18:35
like Gron's you could potentially just
18:37
say because of the age and like the like
18:40
draft status
18:41
right hand shot. Yeah.
18:42
Big right hand shot 23 former second
18:45
round pick. If you just had that as like
18:47
a vacuum as just an archetype without
18:49
anything else without a point total
18:51
attached to him without any like what
18:53
he's done I think that's like enticing
18:55
for a lot of teams. Um, this is his
18:58
first year needing waiverss, so that's
19:00
the thing of like, but also he's not
19:02
banging on the door, so I think he's
19:04
gonna get waved no matter what. And like
19:06
Anthony Rashard is like an interesting
19:08
one if like it's a really bad team and
19:10
they liked what the Flyers saw on him.
19:13
Like I could see a team liking him more
19:17
this year than they did
19:19
before last season. You know what I'm
19:21
saying? like
19:22
I could see them just like see him with
19:24
the Flers and be like, "Oh, that's kind
19:25
of an interesting player to have on your
19:27
fourth line. I would like that." And if
19:28
you're sending him down, I would like
19:30
San Jose. I'd rather have that than like
19:32
whoever they're throwing out there. Um,
19:35
so yeah, I I I think it'd be like, man,
19:37
could you see could you imagine Anthony
19:39
Rashard like just like Florida fourth
19:40
liner take over
19:43
go down to Tampa Bay like Yeah, it could
19:46
be and say I'm looking back last year
19:48
when they waved uh Rashard. It was
19:51
October 4th and then um February 7th and
19:56
he cleared through both times obviously.
19:59
But yeah, he's a guy that I would rather
20:00
have on the roster than Deloreier. Like
20:02
I think the Flyers should use all 13
20:05
forward spots. Like keep Luchenko,
20:08
keep Rashard or Obles, keep Gbankin, and
20:11
just rotate those whatever three guys
20:13
make it in the two spots on the fourth
20:15
line with Haway. Like see what works.
20:17
like no one's going to be sitting on a
20:19
lineup for more than four games because
20:21
this team's not going on a four game
20:22
winning winning streak. So that he can
20:24
constantly mix things up.
20:26
I mean, I'm I'm predicting it now that
20:27
Anthony Rousard is a Florida Panther,
20:29
but um
20:33
me or a hurricane maybe Carolina could
20:37
take him too
20:38
because they have Tyler Mott, Daniel
20:40
Walcott, Noah Greger, and Josh Lepina on
20:43
a PTO.
20:44
I would take Anthony Rashard over all
20:46
those players. Maybe no. Greor's fine.
20:48
Like he's whatever.
20:49
Yeah.
20:49
But like come on. Like you're I would
20:54
put Anthony Rashard at least even with
20:55
those players and then you already have
20:56
them signed to a contract. You don't
20:58
have to do any paperwork. You just have
21:00
play like you just get a player.
21:03
You get a pissed-off player who who was
21:04
waved and now he joined a team.
21:06
I mean I would I would be pissed off if
21:08
I was going to Phil like South Florida.
21:10
I guess not. But
21:12
yeah,
21:13
I'm the I'm the Alex Barov replacement.
21:16
I'm Anthony Rashard.
21:19
That'll be good.
21:20
Yeah, I I think that's I think that's
21:22
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21:25
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