NY Giants Win - The Sports Equivalent of Getting Socks For Xmas! #football #NFL #sports

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I'll take the box the Box you took the Box let's see what's in the
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[Music] box nothing absolutely
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nothing stupid you're so stupid
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all right well welcome to another edition of inside BBI with John and Eric
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I'm John McDon and with me as always senior editor of Big Blue Interactive Mr Eric Kennedy Eric we are recording this
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early on New Year's Eve so I only have a coffee I have it in my uh my parks and
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wreck mug with all the sayings from Ron Swanson so uh I'm just I'm just doing
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that this morning but uh so early happy New Year and uh here we are talking about the Giants as we end
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2024 yeah Happy New Year to everyone it's going to be 2025 which is kind of crazy we're going to be a quarter
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Century into the new century so getting old yeah but um John and I were talking
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about before we came on um very briefly because we didn't want to know where
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each of us was coming reacting to the last game CU I don't want I don't know
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so I don't know what Jo John's thoughts are on this he doesn't know what my thoughts are on this so we're going to
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maybe surprise each other so setting that a little bit now I'll say this this is the first time in it's it's a
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sickness it's the first time in a long time that I didn't watch the game at
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home I was actually out doing stuff and I was watching it on my phone and on the screens where we were at and then prior
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to we went to a uh uh Charleston's uh sting race um South Carolina sting race
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it's a hockey game it's a minor league hockey team for I believe the capitals is the minor league team that we're we're with so we had we had company in
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from Vermont so we went so I'm still watching the game on my phone and every time I'm like you got to be kidding me
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we're g to score 45 oh come on I don't know we'd have to add up all
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the recent games to see when how many games did we play would we have to play
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to get the 45 games I'm assuming four but I'd have to go back and look at it well we were averaging what 14 14 points
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a game yeah so I mean right away you're talking you know three three plus you
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know three into the next game and we know we don't score in the first quarter generally so probably three into the
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second quarter so so yeah so yeah I am curious let's let's start there because
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I know there is a lot of angst on BBI Big Blue interactive.com by the way there is a lot of angst about the Giants
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currently do not have the number one pick so I want your thoughts first on the game itself what ultimately happened
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and then the results for the Giants for what it means to them yeah before that I want to sort of Piggyback in what you
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said it's not just BBI it's all over social media the Giants the Giants are
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it's kind of funny if you look at their mouthpieces for the organization the Carl Banks's the Paul
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daos Etc again it's almost like state run media at this point and they seem to be
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irritated that the Giants fans are irritated and my reaction to that is is
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you created this this is your doing they broke the Giants fan base I feel like
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the the Giants a lot of Giants fans brains have fried um I don't mean that
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as an insult I just mean that people aren't are reacting very
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emotionally um I we'll get into the pros and cons of all of this but the giant
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that what is it 12 years of crappy horrible football where they've now got
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fans rooting for losses they created this mess so if they don't like it they
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shouldn't have created this that's that's their creation this is John mea's creation and again Tish owns half the
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team and if he wants to sit out running the operation that's on him too and he
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has responsibility for that but the ownership is responsible for breaking the Giants fan base and creating a
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mental health crisis in the fan base because that's what it is right now and giant fans are fighting each other
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there's a civil war in the in the fan base right now because losing does that
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and multiply that times how many years we've gone through this so I just wanted to set that up so yeah yeah I don't know
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what your reaction is to that but I feel like the fan base is like you know at each other's throats right now yeah it's
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it's interesting you you mentioned the the statun media mouthpieces basically who kind of you can tell where the
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information's coming from based on the narrative that they're they're kind of displaying in whatever whether they're
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posting it whether they're saying it whatever it happens to be you can see where that's going but you see the
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opposite all of a sudden now after the losses not from within it's from exterior Peter shreer um Adam schfer
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they're all basically saying the Giants probably have screwed themselves for the next three or four years I find that to
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be pretty oddly stated by people like that for for a couple of reasons which
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we we can get to in just a little bit but it is so odd like here's the problem I think you mentioned it most right the
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if if the Giants were a stock car essentially you broke something in the engine but you kept going the whole time
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you never took into consideration what it was we're just going to run it until it went and that was the Daniel Jones portion of this right we ran it until
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they said it can't work but what was what were you ultimately trying to accomplish it was
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almost like two different things two different mindsets we're gonna try to win we want to win with Daniel Jones
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we're GNA give him weapons but if he fails and I think this is the Joe Shane Brian dable side of things right I think
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the mea side of things is on the other side Joe Shane and Brian dble are on the other side going okay but if it fails
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then we're basically just going to go ahead and throw out what we can we're going to go through the season and we're going to do whatever that's where I kept
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getting the feeling that the way they talk is almost like they've been told they're coming back so you've got two
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competing mindsets the entire season you break fans because I you don't fans don't know whether should they should
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root for the new guys you drafted and we trying to win or I want to be happy that you're getting rid of the guy that
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really bugged me for years and we want to lose and now it's almost like oh [ __ ] you just won a game I didn't want you to
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win CU we I thought we were trying to lose cuz how many times did you hear
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soft tanking soft tanking soft tanking from fans it almost seemed like it was deliberate that we were the things we
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were doing guys kind of got nicked the next thing you know they're being thrown on IR at positions that we're really
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thin on already it almost seemed like they didn't care we were calling plays that were like that doesn't make sense
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but okay sure whatever and then you go out and you Domin offensively you dominated a game against
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a team that actually still had something to play for so that was weird yeah that was so yeah I I can see it I don't even
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during the game I literally there's I cheered a couple of times and here's why
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you know and I know you're not a fan of this I play lots of like fantasy football stuff I put in two different
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lineups into the million-dollar tournament on DraftKings just effing around hoping to win and you take
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chances by playing who you assume no one else is going to play so I played Drew lock and Malik neighbors and W Robinson
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and and then I filled it with other players they went off I was like way and
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then it just started my other players [ __ ] the bed so but I was like that was the only thing I was excited about
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during that game I I feel like I represent the fan base in that moment I
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was happy about like oh that's cool oh God I hate this I can't believe what we
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just did you don't know whether to feel good or feel bad yeah because I think you you hit the nail on the head because
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even people who we kind of look to for guidance on how the team
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is doing like Sai Who does these nice he's a scout for hour ads and he writes these things he's he came on our show
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and he thought the Giants were soft tanking plus stable and Shane are coming back so and he may and he may be right
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on the ladder we'll talk about that too um but the soft tanking there kind of
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went out the window and um I want to address that first too
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so God there's so much to talk about I don't even know where to start I want to start with one thing before we move on
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because I I know I'll forget it Daniel Jones because I don't want to talk about him anymore but except for one thing you
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brought him up how bad is was Daniel Jones that he
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can't he he and he couldn't do what Drew lock just did even remotely close to it
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and he had all the opport again he had the better offensive line he had all these weapons um last year deito threw
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three touchdown passes in a game right now you and I talked all preseason and
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going early in the season that all Daniel Jones had to do was throw short passes to these weapons and they would
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run after the catch and do what they did on Sunday against the Colts and he
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couldn't even do that so again those people and I got my last my last comment on Daniel because I I want
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to leave him in the re Mir but again no one's really talking about this but this is kind of what we were hoping Daniel
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could have done is just get the ball out and the Malik neighbors and Slayton and
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juell do all this run after the catch stuff and he couldn't even do that and if he was able to do that he'd probably
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still be here and he wasn't able to do that so I just wanted to put that out there so anyone's still Clinging On to
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Daniel Jones at this point here was another nail in the coffin here for that whole argument because he he just he
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couldn't even do what Drew lock did which is kind of sad even in his last thing even in his best
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game Vikings of 22 Colts of 22 we put up a bunch of points one was a
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defensive touchdown so that kind of matches our special teams touchdown like again we couldn't return the ball to
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save our life all year long but of course in this game we will return a kickoff for a touchdown um we had a
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defensive touchdown in that colt game back in 22 but Jones ran if I remember correctly he ran two in in that game
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against the Colts so he had a couple touchdown passes he ran them in he's never been a guy since the Washington
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game of 2019 where he threw more than three touchdowns in a game Drew lock had
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four plus and that was the last time we scored that this many points yes exactly and that was a game that actually still
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meant something as far as what would Daniel Jones become right that's the end
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of 2019 we knew we were going to be getting the coaches going everybody threw their hands up in the air because
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oh my God you cost yourself Chase young but again this is why I don't care so much about those kind of things but we
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thought okay maybe he's an ascending player we maybe this is a stepping stone and what we've learned is these end of
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the season you can't count earlier season games and say you shouldn't have won those games because you don't know the
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rest of the season but at the very end of the season the Giants have a habit of winning games that mean nothing and they
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end up making they win them in a way that you go hauh but if it's contrary to everything else you've seen then ignore
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it because I think the Indianapolis Colts quit yesterday defensively I think if you watch them they were horrifyingly
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bad defensively and they were they were Deontay Banks bad thank you let's put it
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that way I we get we'll get that in the SEC
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anyway that was it so before I talk about tanking because I want to talk
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about tanking the other thing that you said which influences everything is this narrative
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that's out there now that John Mera has not made up his mind so we've got that
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coming from multiple National reporters now doesn't mean it's true so everything John and I are talking about the only bu
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who really knows what's going on is John Mera and people John Mara talks to that
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he's told what his opinion is okay so we're just going off on what we're
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hearing from National reporters and also again people will
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either like these these comments or not like these comments from these rumor
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mongers these ass hats that we have that say they've talked to people in the organization or know people in the
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organization or connections who have said someone staying someone's going or
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their minds haven't been made up but we've heard repeatedly now that John hasn't made up his mind then we've also
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heard from a couple of people who heard gossip that um Shane is coming back but
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D's gone that this was before the game so we really don't know what's going on
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but based on everything we're going to talk about really changes based on whether dble knows he's coming back or
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he doesn't know he's coming back because it it it impacts this entire tanking conversation it impacts what happened in
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the game so so the real question is is does d has D been told is he's coming
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back he or is he safe or he's on thin ice or he's already gone I was getting
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the strong impression based on his press conferences and just the lack of um he
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just he just looked out of it he looked like he checked out that he knew he was gone now I'm not so sure um based on
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what we're hearing on the national media but they're not sure he's coming back I mean he's they have to still make the
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decision so that that affects all of this stuff so I want to put that out there so the tanking thing is
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this because people are arguing different things here and again I'm getting caught up in this too and I
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don't think I'm explaining myself well when I argue on the website and I argued a lot
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yesterday if Brian dable doesn't know if he's coming back or not he has no
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interest at all in losing that football game he wants to win that game cuz he's playing to either keep his job here or
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get another job someplace else so unless ownership has come up the D and said
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you're coming back no matter what he's not going to tank the players on the
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field are not going to tank for the very reason that I already mentioned in previous episodes and I use Drew lock as
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an example he's going to be a free agent so the players are not going to tank so everyone arguing
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saying teams don't tank because you don't because coaches players don't tank I don't disagree with you that's not
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what I'm talking about what I'm talking about are two things one the Giants spotted whether they were
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tanking or not before earlier before this they spotted themselves 13 losses so they came into this they they came
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into this game two and 13 with two games left to go it's impossible for a team to
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tank 17 games it is not impossible for a team to tank two games you can tank two
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games you right that's not hard to do now that being said isn't that contradict what I
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said earlier management ownership can tie the hands of the coaching staff and the team
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by making decisions for the coaching staff and the team and the perfect
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example is what giant grit brought up yesterday is Malik neighbors did not
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practice for much of the week he came into this game questionable he's been hurt all year with multiple different
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kinds of injuries when I do my game um season review at the end of the year and I have to do all the roster writeups I'm
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going to have to go back and catalog all the injuries he I can't even keep track of all the injuries Malik neighbors had
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but if you were going to tank this game you should have sat Malik neighbors and you had a reason to he was hurt coming
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into this game to the point where he wasn't practicing and you could have sat him down and if he doesn't play in that
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game they probably don't win could they still have won yes but they probably wouldn't won so what I'm saying is you
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can tie the hands of your own team and make it more likely that they're going to lose and teams do that
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people who say that the teams don't do that the Patriots may do that this upcoming weekend because they're saying
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that they may not even play May but we've seen that happen before where teams sit players either for variety of
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reasons either you know they want to protect protect players they're going into the playoffs or or they do want to
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lose and help their draft so that's where my issue is coming is this is
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there there seems to be a fly by the seat of their pants thing with the Giants right now and they were so close
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to being able to take any player they wanted into this draft and they blew it
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and now I'm coming out of this season going what the hell was it all we got out of the season was we finally got rid
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of Daniel Jones everything else to me has been a complete waste it would have been fantastic to at least have the your
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ability to either use the first pick or the second pick on a quarterback or use
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that to trade down and accumulate a bunch of picks and now that's been taken out of their hands and everybody who says that that that doesn't matter is is
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trying to convince themselves of something that's not true it does matter they they took they took something more
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valuable out of their hands by winning a game no one's going to remember other than the fact that it cost them that
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that opportunity because no one no one's talking about last year hey we beat the commanders hey we beat the Packers no or
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we beat the Eagles in the finale no one's talking about that cuz it doesn't matter and that didn't C and that didn't
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that didn't help us going translate there was no momentum there was no nothing good that came out of that so so
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two things can be true players and coaches don't tank but the but at the same time you can tank by creating
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conditions for the team to make it harder for them to win that that's my point so I'm going to do in Reverse I'm
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going to do what you just finished with and then I want to go back to something you had said earlier because I wanted to ask you a question on that so here's the
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part where I'm going to slightly disagree I'm fine with everything you said except for the LA the very last thing I was ex I think I even said this
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in the last show while I wanted them to at this point to keep that draft
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selection I was extremely concerned though that there was a picture being painted already you had Sanders pushing
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his agenda very clearly very clearly pushing his agenda I'm going to be
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number one and he's pushing the New York piece so obvious ly they they like the New York the idea of being in New York
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the media that stuff and the Giants at the time were you know towards at the
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top but I felt like that was going to force the Giants whether it's Shane which we
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believe it would be and and the the ownership to go that route to take that
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guy just because and I'm not sold on shadur Sanders and he played a a a bowl
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game which again you don't want to hold the bowl games because different players don't play and whatever but Colorado played most of their guys they were
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there no one opted out as far as I know Hunter played Sanders both the Sanders kids played I I don't remember anybody
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opting out so you're either gonna be forced to take Sanders or now you're gonna be forced to take Ward which I'm a
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ward guy but Wards what he chose to do in his ball game set a record and then
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sit the rest of the game that doesn't bother me as much per se but the mentality part does I don't you play you
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might as well just keep playing I realize you were worried about injury and stuff like that but you didn't worry about the injury prior to setting the
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record right you wanted the record and then you sat and you allowed your team to lose I that's a hard thing for me to
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swallow so what I was worried about is Shane then is boxed in they won't trade down they won't trade from one because
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the Optics there you need a quarterback so badly and that's what everybody keeps talking about it's why and forgive me I
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posted a question and I didn't go back to look at all the answers I was curious to see but I think most people seem to
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be up in arms because now you you don't get Sanders Ward are you sold on Sanders Ward do either one of those guys at
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number one well the thing is so Sanders showed
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people who are saying it's just the bowl game Sanders showed some tendency negative tendencies that he showed in
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other games running backwards when he's under pressure won't fly
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okay everything you said is is 100% correct I just it's to me it's right
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first I should say this it's one of the reasons I wouldn't bring back either one of these guys and I've talked about this
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is because the pressure on them to go to have drafted a quarterback
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now for the wrong reasons is there so the Giants are in are are in quarterback
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hell right now because now they may not even have a shot at the worst thing the worst scenario of all is this they trade
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up now for Sanders and give up future number one draft picks for a quarterback
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Who may not be all that and and I saw some comment from I think it was Skinner and Ryan Dunley retweeted it and said
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that I don't get why Giants fans um are okay with taking Sanders at number one
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but they're not okay with trading multiple draft picks away to trade up for the same guy yeah yeah I'm one of
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those guys because again no first of all no draft pick is a sure thing well and
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if you have to give up multiple guys for a guy that you might have some question marks about then you're really
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sabotaging your franchise if you give up one number one pick even if it's the first pick you can kind of overcome that
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you cannot overcome giving up multiple number one picks because then you're setting yourself back another five years
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at that point but that doesn't that that argument doesn't make any sense I mean for Skinner to say what he said is
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stupid there's a difference between I'm sitting here and my options are these guys so I take them then I'm sitting
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over there and I got to give up a whole bunch of things to go get this guy that I'm kind of like I'm taking them because
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I need a quarterback this is why I think we're in a better position than many people think I don't want to be forced
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to take one of the two guys at time and I like Ward I like Ward I don't want to be forced to take them at one keep in
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mind there's a couple things at one money is slotted the way that it is in the NFL draft but that's still the
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highest amount of money that you're going to pay to a rookie it's also four years plus a fifth year option I don't
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want to be tied to a guy that might be not that great just and forced to take him at one because I'm so bad at
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quarterback a little bit down I've played around with a number of different simulators it means nothing
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but I'm just saying I've looked at other people doing it I've done it and I've let it I let the system just run itself
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and multiple times I keep seeing uh milro keeps dropping well into the second and into the third round over and
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over again in simulations it just lets him drop Carson Beck drops fourth round
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in areas I would rather go get a veteran guy a Derek Carr maybe I don't want
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darnold because he's just going to be really expensive he's coming off such a great year there is a lot of talk that
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maybe the Vikings will trade McCarthy that would be really odd if we ended up trading to get McCarthy a year after we
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the Vikings Locker Room after the thing I don't think they're getting rid of darnold I don't think you can I don't
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think you can either I think they're stuck with darnold right now and then a and that may be a good thing for them it may be a bad thing but and I'm not sure
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they they might keep both they may do a Green Bay thing they may keep darnold and then just have McCarthy sit there
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for make as insurance in case darnold reverts the form so they may so people
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saying We we'll get one of the Viking quarterbacks don't count on that I I don't count on that so let me ask you a question if if and this is just
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hypothetical um wait before I get into that there was I don't want to forget no no no no no you're totally fine I don't want to forget the other thing I wanted
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to ask you um you had mentioned about Brian dall's um demeanor in a lot of his
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press conferences afterward giving the impression that maybe he was dead man walking right it was just kind of did to me he did did did your opinion
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of that change after the the uh the press conference where uh he talked
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about in the Colt game the difference that it makes when you get good quarterback play he used those words was
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that you picked the quarterback you picked it again we're living in Twilight Zone here Shane and DAV pick Daniel
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Jones when they redid his contract unless they didn't and that's I think they all right look there have been
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multiple people ass hats now who have said Shane and D were very much on board
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and driving resigning him and I think we would have heard by now from somebody else in the National media that I think
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DA's people would have let out or somebody's people would have let out that they were their hands were tied with with him I I look I'm not we don't
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know we're never going to really know but again they they they picked they
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didn't draft him but they resigned him they own that I mean so anyone who keeps
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saying that let them pick their own quarterback they did pick their own quarterback and it was a disaster that
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Tri that argument drives me crazy they they brought back Daniel Jones I still
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believe that and and again the thing that you just said is a million percent right I can't prove any of this I still
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think the driving Factor was the saquon Barkley thing that that they said that mea said you cannot you can't let him I
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don't care if you don't want to give him the contract but he's not leaving so you better get it done with Jones and
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franchise Barkley you're not g to use the franchise tag on Jones and let Barkley just walk I think that I mean
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that's the only thing that makes sense for the amount of money that we threw the reason it went to the last possible
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minute if the Giants were sold on Daniel Jones they could have got that contract done early and then turned their
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attention to Barkley and what can we do to either get him signed work our work whatever we can till the last minute but
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it was really last minute on getting Jones so they could franchise Barkley again doesn't matter it's revisionist
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history but that being said when he said that when D ball said that I'm like well that's really weird up until this point
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you have not made a comment like that at all you're just like oh plays were there we just got to be better I got to coach
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better and all of a sudden this is what you get when you get confident quarterback play Drew lock by the way
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we're talking Drew lock a guy that you skipped over for Tommy DeVito when you
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when you dropped Jones in the first place so I'm I there's something there that to me says either that was his
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message I know I'm still gone and that's the jab at at mea and Shane and those
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guys you know hey if you got me better quarterback play this is what we would have been doing or he's coming back he
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knows it and he's letting people know this is what we can with better quarterback we won't know until next
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Monday well that I want to say this there's so much to talk about and I don't want to go long I'm not trying to
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get us off right now I go long because I want to keep these shorter so people will watch them but there's so much to
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talk about this is so complicated and there's so many layers to this if the I if if John mea has not
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decided he's an idiot you have to decide nothing that happen happens in the last
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two games should influence what the team does at
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GM and head coach it should have been already decided so nothing that happened against the Colts and nothing against
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the Eagles should change anything because these games are relatively
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meaningless right now what happened before this and what happened last year
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is what matters and what happened in the first year is what matters the whole ball of wax and we're seeing Giants some
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Giants fans are are falling PR this too I couldn't believe my I couldn't believe I guess I could believe it after the
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game we had people going there were threads on BR we need to keep dable now
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because of what just happened in the Colts game we there is even some people saying maybe we should keep lock based
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on Lo what um there you know there were this reaction to what happened in
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the last game is something that's been building and building and building for years with with the national media with
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ESPN of the world and stuff like that fans overreact to what happened in last the last game doesn't matter win or lose
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it's what's happened up they lost 10 games before the last game that's what should be the overriding thing here so
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if John Mara is still making up his mind and this colors what you're talking about you might be going why are you
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bringing this up please but this colors colors the Dil thing has John maror really not decided what he's going to do
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with d because if he hasn't he's dumber than I think he is well how can you decide
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how could these last two games make up your mind they shouldn't even be that much of a factor here and so if and this
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influences the tanking thing so if D's playing for his job and Co I'm sorry coaching for his
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job then his press conference makes a lot of sense from the perspective that you just said about see what I can do
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when you give me a quarterback I can make I can have my team score 45 points now I think that's a little disingenuous
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in this sense I I kind of agree with what Sai and people haven't seen it Sai
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wrote a re um his game review and he did not put Drew lock as a stud in that game
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which kind of caught my caught you know when you can score five touchdowns in a game you think you're going to be a stud
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um but lock through passes a lot of short passes that the wide receivers did
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the damage after the catch so in a way as you can say that lock benefited from
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the the the rack yardage so did dble dble looked D D's offense and Cap's
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offense looked great yesterday because the receivers there was combination of two things the Colts I don't know what
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the Colts were doing they were tackling against Deontay Banks bad secondary we'll get into that again so
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um and then also they the run after C they were they were cool plays I mean the the the thing the one thing about
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this game I want to State some people isn't there anything positive that was a cool game if you're aan F watching that
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game and you're scoring 45 points and your receivers are going off like that that was fun get a kickoff return for a
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touchdown to seal it with a couple of turnovers that was a fun game okay but
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John Mera should not be W and he's done this this is the people who say oh come on he won't do this but he has done this
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we've seen him do this he'll react to the last few games played in a year and go aha we're we've turned this around we
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we're going to fix I mean we're headed in the right direction and he takes the wrong lessons from from this and so now
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we're in a situation if they do bring these guys back what you talked about they may be
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forced to draft a quarterback in order to save their own necks but you're also now arguing which you could be right
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that maybe it's a good thing that they don't have the number one pick because now they can't do that in other words
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they may be forced to take the best player my big question is and I don't I'm throwing a lot out there is now what
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do we do at quarterback because now you're stuck with the drag Justin Fields
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um um uh Wilson you talked about Carr um
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I mean who are we going to get who are we going to get a quarterback next year I mean you can draft somebody in the second round or maybe trade back into
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the first round and people are talking about mil roll already we don't even know he's going to be in the draft that's true until stop the stop the mil
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roll threads people because the other shoe that drop any day now is MIL roll says he's going back to college and then
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and then where are we at then we're talking about back I mean I think I I think a couple things
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um the Vikings with Sam darnold have created a path for other teams to go
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maybe we need a compet a fairly competent veteran quarterback with a
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coach supposedly that can coach quarterbacks and players and if you've got other weapons as long as that
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quarterback is you he just needs to be able to attack he might not be the greatest he might throw some interceptions but
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he's got to be able to attack Jones was the opposite of that he's a guy who just didn't attack he he just constantly did not attack and he didn't he didn't
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maximize the things that could have happened I don't want to talk about Jones F but that was one of the biggest problems that we had darnold attacks now
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I've seen him make some pretty bonehead plays even with the Vikings where you're just like oh he got really lucky on that one so quarterbacks you talked about
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Fields Wilson are going to be out there uh Carr is obviously going to be out there because the Saints have to cut
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salary they are way over the cap so he's he's definitely going to be be available
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Stafford do you trade for Stafford I don't think the I don't I don't think the Rams I don't think Stafford would pick
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the com to the Giants now where they're at in the risky situation that they would be in but I would love it if he
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could get him you could probably turn things around pretty quickly but I think cousins is going to be available whether
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it's via trade but I doubt I don't think anybody do you want cousin I I don't but I'm just I don't want any of these guys
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but there is there is a guy I I'm okay with with Carr as long as you draft
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somebody that you're basically we really want a one-year groom the guy just like
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the Chiefs had Alex Smith Mahomes for all those who keep going you got to get a quarterback Mahomes did not play until
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the last game of the regular season his rookie year he didn't take over till the following year they let Alex Smith play
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through we need we need an Alex Smith a guy who could just settle things down make some plays while we can while our
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young guy is learning behind the scenes we get him in a game or two even Eli didn't start right away so I'm thinking
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a car the mcaffrey thing interests me only if we do this I don't want to give
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the first round pick away I'll flip it with the Vikings to take mcaffrey plus
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your first round pick but you got to give me something else you mean McCarthy McCarthy sorry McCarthy you flip it and
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give me something somewhere else I'm not giving you four for like 27 who knows
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what it might be with the Vikings I'm not doing that if they're if they win let's say they won a Super Bowl they're
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picking last I'm not doing that you you can I'll take mcaffrey but you you're you're not getting anything better than
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maybe my second round pick uh of that would it shock you to see Shane do that
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sh would would absolutely like for for him yes because they they just let him
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go right on by they didn't seem to be we but if they're desperate to save their own
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necks at this point but I see if you're so here's my worry if they are desperate
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that way then I think the the trade more likely is back up and the Patriots scare
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me at one because there is not a number one player I know Sai is on board with
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Tai with h with Hunter I I'm not on board with Hunter I I I think Hunter he's yeah I I agree with you I don't
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think there's a clearcut number one in this draft I he he's a he's a really good player but he's an average physical
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size I I really don't I don't want a guy who's kind of you know he could make plays but if you've got nothing up front
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that quarterback's going to be exposed I don't care if you play him at wide receiver he's a he's a average siiz wide
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receiver at best so I don't he's not a number one guy he's not a Dion so I'm
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not doing that for a corner at one it makes me nervous that he's a dual player dual position thing because sometimes
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you overrate that too and and who did they play right why do we knock why do we knock some of the other guys in in in
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different conferences but we're building Colorado up who did they play Yeah
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remember when Simons came out though too when Isa Simmons came out they one of the things that they said why he was
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going to be such a valuable draft pick he can do all these things well he he
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kind of can but he doesn't do them very well he's a unbelievable there are guys that are unbelievable athletes in
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college and they do super well in college but it doesn't project to the pros I think Hunter projects to the pros
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well just not if you looked at him in any other year pick well he's not Rod
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Woodson he's not Deion Sanders yeah so that would make me nervous Hunter would make that's my that's my fear is that
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they overpay to go back up I would rather move down get a couple of things
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pick up a big D lineman as we move down get a couple extra second rounds or a second and a third now you could go now
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you've got milro Jackson Dart is going to be out there Beck is going to be out there I am not as down on Beck as
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everybody else is I just don't want him in the first or second round but if I can if I can develop him behind a
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veteran Let's Take a Shot worst case scenario draft two
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I go go turfs draft two and back could end up being the better Pro so we don't
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know don't know a couple things God there's so much there's so much going on in my
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mind this could still all work out for the Giants there were I got a couple a shout out to Brennan out there one of
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the moderators who emailed me a couple of people have email three people have emailed me this week saying I am so down
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on this team it's hopeless I I I can't stand it anymore and I said well let's still see how this all plays out because
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kind of getting to what you're saying is this is look I think what happened was bad
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for the Giants this last week and I I do but I it still can work out for them um
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just by chance you know things they might end up backing into the right player that kind of thing we've seen
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that that happened before the whole Chase young versus Andrew Thomas thing people love the bringing that up we'll see let's see how this plays out L first
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before we before we get all we get all nervous but my big concern here is this is looking at the quarterback position
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is I look at it at it strategically other than the Eagles um who are loaded
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all over their roster and and so they can not they can actually win a Super Bowl without an elite quarterback
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the league right now has what four or five guys that are MVP candidates at quarterback that are really really
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really good I mean sure right you agree with that right like Jack we're talking about Jackson and burrow and Allen and
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momes those are the me if you have one of those guys you're always going to be in contention now for a Super Bowl that
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didn't used to be true when you and I were watching football when it was Dan fs and Marino you could be elite back
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then but if you didn't have the rest of the team you had to have a defense you had to have more than that but now if you've got that guy you can go on an Eli
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Manning type run um like Eli Manning carried the 2011 team and then they got
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into the playoffs Eli if he gets in the Hall of Fame it's going to be because of those two playoff runs not because what he did in the regular season right but
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if you got that guy you're goal I'm worried we don't have that guy right now
40:20
we're talking about having fallback guys that just as you said steady the ship cuz we're so beaten down as a fan base
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to us going 9- seven would be like paradise right now but the goal isn't to
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be 9- S the goal is to get to the Super Bowl so what I'm afraid of is if we're getting a fields or a car to hold down
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the fort while we have a second or third round we again we missed out on the ward
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maybe Ward is Ward may not be that guy but Ward could be that guy and we're
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missing out meanwhile Jaden Daniels was in Washington now and people say well he
40:56
he may not last he may not last but what we've seen right now he looks like the real deal he looks like a guy that if we
41:02
were if we were commanders fans we would be a static right now going sure holy crap and this is his rookie year and
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he's doing this imagine what he's going to be five years from now so that's what I'm bummed out right now is I'm like
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okay what where are we going to get the quarterback that's going to get us another ring that's what I'm really and
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but we're still beaten down other fans are like God we just got to get somebody so we can just at least score
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25 points in a game and maybe have a nine- win season to me that's kind of a loser mentality but that's so that's
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kind of that's where I'm at with this and I know it's a lot of people aren't going to agree with me on that you
41:40
that's what quarterback hell is to me you have to to really be an elite team you got to get that that guy and and
41:46
Washington's got that guy and Drake Mays and with the Patriots right now and and
41:52
now look what Nicks is doing and and right now it feels like we're going to miss out on that that guy again unless
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we get a mill roll and he's you know he's not Richardson and he ends up being something other than that but you know
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how s talked about that if you draft milro you got to sit him because he he is got the same type of background as as
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a Richardson where you can't just throw them to the walls so there's there is a there is a pattern there is a history if
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you look at it for the Giants um it's not always going outside sometimes it
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was inside you had Phil Sims we drafted Phil Sims he went through a number of years of being injured we and there was
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there was a thought people a lot of people don't remember you can go back and look it up the Giants were flirting
42:34
with trying to figure out how they could get Warren Moon from the CFL Warren Moon ultimately went to Houston so and then
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Phil Sims has his 4,000 yard season in 84 that kind of changes the trajectory
42:46
of his career it changes the trajectory of the Giants overall and it was parcel's kind of his change too but he
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had been injured and and all this other stuff then you go from Sims move on
42:57
right and we we kind of we have hosler who was there for a while but he really didn't take it over Sims kind of took it
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back again we drafted another guy number one and that guy flamed out he was not a great quarterback so we went through a
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couple of guys and then we got a Reclamation project in Carrie Collins he leads us to it did he win the Super Bowl
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no did we get to one yes but he kind of steadied the ship but then the ship kind of was falling apart at the coach and
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they need something different so we go and get a new coach and we draft the quarterback we get another veteran to steady the ship right I mean if they
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left CT Warner as the quarterback there's a good possibility the Giants make make the playoffs as a wild card team we were strugg we wereing four I
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think when they benched him we were struggling a little bit but we had games against Bad teams coming up that we just
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we didn't win those games uh I'm doing these off top of my head but Atlanta Chicago those were two games that we
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ultimately lost with Eli at quarterback but could have we got blown away by the Ravens we played a Eli had one of his
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better games people don't remember we didn't win the game but thank you right there to a wide receiver that my God if
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only he didn't have a bad knee right away that dude uh we had like two long touchdown PES I think his Taylor was his
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last name I'm trying to remember oh yeah Jonathan Taylor yeah right so it's Jamar or something like that something Taylor
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but we had two long passes from Eli and I I know this is going Arlington will know because he remembers all these guys
44:19
so so so he you know Warner steadied the ship this is where I'm at right now because you have two competing thoughts
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there's what you said which is getting that guy to build on and whatever but the problem is it's
44:32
like taking um getting yourself a really great amazing engine and then dropping
44:38
it in a freaking Ford Pinto and go okay it's not ready yet but what if I got a
44:44
decent engine but I kind of did a lot of work on the on the on the frame I did a lot of work on some of the other stuff
44:49
so that I can then put a really good engine in a year later Daniel Jones was never going to be
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that guy so we don't need to worry about that he was already drafted one he was the guy that we're trying to get away from and we see that so now you need a
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steadying thing so here's one thing to look at right you you've mentioned it and I'm looking at it right now the problem that I have with all these
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people talking about what the Giants just did to themselves there are seven teams in the top 10 in the draft that
45:13
need quarterbacks I'm throwing Carolina in there I'm assuming they're going to still try to go from from Bryce young
45:19
but I we don't know that but let's Cleveland so you've got Tennessee Cleveland the Giants yeah Carolina the
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Jets the Raiders and the Saints those are the top 10 right now they all need
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quarterbacks there's only two that are being considered first round picks milro
45:37
maybe but that is really building him up on pure athletic ability and putting him
45:43
on a bad team it's not the same as Lamar Jackson going to the Ravens the Ravens weren't a bad team it's similar it's
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similar to the Colts and richardon it's similar to that and there's another team just outside the top 10 I got to assume
45:57
they aren't happy with the way Richardson goes about his business the coach clearly wasn't because the coach
46:02
said he had soreness turns out that he supposedly had really bad backs spasms did he or is that what the company line
46:08
now wants to be because they're really pissed off at the coach and they're going to let him go and the coach is mad at the quarterback who knows so now
46:15
you're talking there could be eight teams in the top 12 and I'm not even I mean San Francisco they've got a brock
46:20
pretty problem because they're going to have to sign that dude to a huge contract if they want to keep him do they so you've got that's another
46:27
interesting thing is P's not looking as good as he did so yeah you so this is
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what this is the Dilemma that I think a lot of people need to understand right now I think you have to really consider
46:42
we're trying to be good consistently not swing for the fences we
46:48
got to win a Super Bowl we can't even we haven't won more than five games I mean we did six the year before but there so
46:55
let's say six we haven't won more than six games outside of 22 in Forever it's bad it's terrible so playoffs in 11
47:02
playoffs in 16 playoffs in 22 the gap between the seasons are stretching so if
47:08
we really want to turn this around you've got to we've got quality young players M neighbors actually showed why
47:14
he was drafted in this game he did play injured and I know I've been a little tough on him and I know you came out and
47:21
said something on the site and I and you're not wrong I don't think he's dogging it I just think he's very
47:27
selective on choosing Fridays I'm not going to practice and all of a sudden new injuries are listed I'm not saying
47:33
he doesn't have them it's just a bad look especially with the way he talks sometimes after games but he's been
47:40
pretty he's been pretty steadying and this game he showed what he could be if
47:45
you hit him in stride you a lot of guys did a lot of gu this was what the offense was supposed to look like you
47:51
and I talked about this this isn't us talking to hindsight we talked about the run after the catch stuff
47:58
back in August and September I mean we were saying oh just get these guys in
48:03
get the ball in their hands when they're in motion and they'll do the rest and they did exactly what we thought they
48:08
were going to do now 45 points was again what part of that was a kick return but that's what we were hoping to do but
48:14
juand Del Robinson looked he had that one drop but other than that Rond Del Robinson finally got down the field um
48:20
Slayton did what he did and hayatt didn't even get into the game yet and but this is the kind of track team stuff
48:26
that we expected to see from them and but this is what I'm worried about with
48:31
mea going there it is but not but again can you roll that back with the same coach
48:38
but there's a lot of guys in the game you're right Malik neighbors look great but so did other guys right right yeah
48:44
it was it it was very odd to see a number of the things that happened in
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that game which tells me I think I I think there's more negative with the Colts than you can say totally positive
48:56
with the Giants I think for a team that was still kind of battling to possibly make a wild card which they were cuz the
49:03
Broncos the Broncos lost though the door was still open for the Colts to to get in for you to show up and play as badly
49:10
as you as you did in a game against a team that looked like they were mailing it in that's not that's not good so
49:17
they're secondary defending those short passes I mean let's be honest it's really cool that Malik neighbors and W
49:23
Del Robinson and Slayton did what they did but they secondary didn't T make those tackle they should those plays
49:29
should not have gone for what they did if they had been reversed if we were if that had happened to us we'd be furious
49:35
with our secondary we would have been like Jesus Christ you know on a Slayton plane in particular there was nobody
49:41
with him over the middle then he breaks a tackle and gets into the end and he stumbled he stumbled on his way still
49:47
made it in I'm like okay and this will be one of those things where people like you got to bring Slayton back no we
49:52
don't we don't need to bring Slayton back this is you don't bring a guy back see where Slayton though would fit and
49:59
if this was a good Giants team and Si has talked about this too you can see how he's a really good option on a team
50:07
it like if you if this team was going to if this team performed like it did against the Colts on a regular basis you
50:15
could see why him as the third receiver is very dangerous because because he can
50:21
do what he did so but like you said he's probably going to be you know he's going to hit free AG and and you can't I mean
50:29
do you sign to a big deal I I don't know well you got to you got to manage the
50:34
the salary cap we have space so people go oh we got space the problem is we manufactured that space by getting rid
50:40
of a guy so we do have dead money and we just have space but you have a huge gap at quarterback we have no one we have no
50:47
two and even the three is a restricted free agent so in reality we have nobody
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at quarterback going in once this season ends um I don't want Drew lock back so you got so do you spend extra money and
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if you hear dogs in the background I apologize if you it's one of those things on it today I was like
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God um we're getting a delivery when I wasn't expecting it hear so good yes um
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so but I mean do you do you spend extra money on a guy he again I I this is something I said and some people got mad
51:18
when I said it and I'm still gonna stand by I don't really care about resigning guys who've been part of a losing system
51:24
what do I care you haven't won anything don't I don't care that you're not the only reason why but Slayton is the
51:30
epitome of of the Giants over the years we're always that close you know oh almost caught it oh you know like d you
51:38
know and and yeah I accumulated stats in a season that equated to four wins I don't care like we we need to build
51:45
around you've got neighbors I like wal Robinson if you use him the way he should be used he can't be he can't be
51:52
the second guy you know when you after he scored his touchdown and they're showing him walking away and the other play come around him Jesus he looks like
51:58
Kyler Murray if you put him with the other quarterbacks he's just how do your how does your but I still see I still
52:05
think he's better than he's shown because again look a lot of people have dropped passes with the Trans I don't
52:11
know what what happened this year with our hands but the but you can't discount
52:16
the hands thing but I still think there are people on this team and I said this before with Hyatt but I Slayton and and
52:23
juanell and the Johnson and and all these other guys I think they're they
52:28
they're better than they've shown because of the quarterback position so I agree I mean you mentioned
52:34
lock are you completely 100% sure that they won't resign lock now I I I think
52:40
he's gone but what if this is why I don't I wouldn't bring back dble I can't
52:46
get over again still the hard knocks thing where they said so we're going to bring back the same quarterback crew
52:51
this is before Taylor signed remember they didn't they wanted Taylor to come back they before he went to the Jets and they were okay with it so what if they
52:58
say all right we're okay with with Tommy and and and Drew coming back and we'll
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add a third guy and I'm like I don't like that quarterback room either I don't I don't think I don't see any way
53:09
possible that that's the way you're GNA go now is it oh I do I I I don't think
53:14
it will but if you bring back dble and Shane um then you don't because the you
53:20
you you made your bed earlier in the year when you put Tommy DeVito in before
53:25
you put in Drew lock that that that thing is done you cannot you can't go
53:30
back and be like oh we love Drew lock now you you showed your true colors already you didn't want them doesn't it
53:37
feel like everything's been chaos like there doesn't seem to be any plan to
53:42
this it seems like again they're been fly by the seat of their pants let's play this guy let's play this guy let's
53:48
do this let's do that nothing seemed we we again we I don't want to go back and rehashes but the whole Barkley Daniel
53:54
Jones thing they're coming they're going going they're coming back they're going and now this I mean everything just seems so chaotic and so sort sort of is
54:02
is D is dble and Shane coming back my guess and we talk about that my guess is
54:08
even before this game I it was starting to get it's starting to seem more and more likely Shane's coming back but dble
54:14
is going now my big fear and a lot of other Giants big fears is this is Marl
54:20
will not not only did the Giants lose the ability to have the first or second pick but they've also mea may may
54:28
convinced mea that Deo should should come back that that that don't pay
54:33
attention to the 10 losses right before this if they beat the Colts and they
54:39
beat a Eagles team that sits at starters and we don't even though we're paying a
54:45
bunch of backups because by default but if we beat the Eagles and it's not out of the question we beat the Eagles then
54:51
then then I very much can see meor going we're on the upswing we're to bring him
54:56
back and we're going to roll this out again that's my big fear right now so this is what I want to ask you when you said that all right so let's say Shane
55:03
is coming back whose decision is it on day ball is it Shane does Meritt go to
55:08
Shane and go do you want Brian to be your coach or is Meritt going day Ball's the coach so that's the question I have
55:14
see if you bring Shane back you you're basically saying Shane's the decision maker of what's going to happen with the coaching staff because you're the guy's
55:21
got to work with them if you're forcing the if you because they keep that's where the narrative that the two weren't
55:26
together but who makes the decision I think the most alarming thing I S I've
55:32
seen in the last couple of weeks was I don't know if you caught this who was standing on the sideline with Shane
55:39
during the ball game W was McDonald was standing he's right in previous years
55:45
we've seen um I always remember I can't remember it's that the guy that came from Miami I can never remember his name
55:52
the other the other guy that they grabbed um who was a GM down in Miami it's McDonald who's not that
55:58
McDonald hasn't been SP spotted with with Shane in the past in previous years
56:03
but right now it kind of gets back to what you were saying speculating last week with brown being on the sidelines
56:10
kind of EAS dropping in the conversations on the players on the sideline I almost feel like and people
56:17
are gonna say Eric you're reading way too much and I maybe I am I almost feel like um um Shane's got a chaperone now
56:25
so you ask me who's going to make that decision I don't think Shane's going to make that I think they'll make him feel like he's included in that decision like
56:32
he feels like he has a say in that decision and but I think that that decision is going to be and I think I'm
56:38
basing this on again in the in the past the ownership has forced even Tom Coughlin to fire coaches and and get rid
56:46
of coaches I think ownership has much more say in in some of the things that
56:51
that fans don't realize they have and I think that this is one of them so I I don't think I don't think um Shane will
56:58
I think they'll listen to his his opinion but I don't think he's making that call that's my my take I don't know
57:03
what take well no I I I think Shane is gonna be neutered I've said this I think
57:08
I think the one thing that if Shane stays I think he's he's gonna lose a little bit of his power based on what
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happened with Barkley and the confirmation bias that mea and McDonald now have that you screwed up Shane by
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letting MCD by letting Barkley go to Philadelphia I think they're going to they're going to use that as in their
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own head is justification is yeah Shane's coming back but guess what we're going to have a little bit more we're
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going to we're the leash is going to be a little bit shorter on him where they gave him a bigger leash before then why
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don't then why why don't you just make McDonald the GM then because the Optics are so horrific it would it would
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confirm I think I think if I think if mea didn't have to worry
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about public opinion one of his relatives would be the GM I really do yeah yeah I think you're I in the past I
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would argue against it but I I think you might be honest I will say he defended he's this goes back way back like in
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2013 2012 there was a piece out there where he got real defensive about Chris
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yeah he said Chris is so respected around the league that he could be a GM with any other
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team in this league but but he wants to stay with this team that I mean it was delusional to me it was it was
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delusional and I've heard I've heard the same thing about McDonald um from um uh
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Charlie Weiss was on when he does the morning kickoff with Bob Papa that came up one time and he he basically oh he's
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respected across the league if he left the Giants he would be a GM somewhere and I'm like [ __ ] no stop stop this
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this like just you know blowing the horn of uh of everybody who's related
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there the bad part about the confirmation bias thing will be the Mera side of it McDonald was not wrong when
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he asked Shane the question the question was legit it's a legit question it wasn't it wasn't you should keep Barkley
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he he basically said so what is our identity on offense then and and Jane
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goes it's not to have a $40 million quarterback handing off to a12 million running back which is odd because we
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paid single ter a decent amount of money to basically not get the ball so ultimately that didn't make a lot of
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sense I think Shane's arrogance really kind of came back on him but I think he's buddies I think he's
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buddies with McDonald you saw McDonald right he didn't he's not just with Shane he went with brown out to Colorado the
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the the the previous time Shane went out to Colorado with brown and McDonald McDonald goes everywhere where any of
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the GM assistant GM staff goes McDonald's right there they're all together right so I do have a weird
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feeling that it's I think the consensus is probably already there that D Ball's going I think so too now here's I'm
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gonna ask you this this is kind of a just off-the-wall I'm going to look up you're talking I'm going to look up at the other guy I can't ever remember his
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name but yeah yeah I'm trying to remember I'm looking it up um you have a
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coach that's about to be a free agent after this weekend and the team he's with may or
1:00:18
may not try to resign him but it sounds like they they are interested but he's going to be a free
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agent do you have any interest in Mike McCarthy as the next
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head coach of New York Times I I I have never really thought that highly of the
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guy and part of it is because of my bias and that we've gone we when we
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went into Green Bay and we beat his team when they were 15 and one or whatever I
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always thought he was kind of overrated um I I I would not he would not be my
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first choice um I think there are other more interesting guys that and you've talked about you know I I would be more
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interested in Arthur Smith that you've talked about than him I would there are other guys that s has BR brought up um
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Ben Johnson I would be more interested in if he would I just can't picture he I can't picture him unless you're going to
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give him the farm and you kind of need a GM that is really aligned with him and
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meaning you're G to get me the kind of players I need because look at see here's another thing right real quick
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the Lions I'm just going to do the lions I was going to do the Lions the Bears
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and then yeah that's kind of funny but no so the Lions um the Lions the Vikings
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the Buccaneers what have they all done they went and got a quarterback that somebody else didn't want the Lions yeah
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pulled Jared Goff in because the Rams wanted Stafford so they get Jared gof
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the Vikings have Sam darnold the Buccaneers have um Baker Mayfield these
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guys have all taken guys who were kind of bouncing around or just hadn't done what they thought people thought they
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were going to do and did something with them because the rest of the organization was built around hey this
1:02:04
guy can play to a point we just have to which makes sense the way the Giants were thinking as like getting a dog but
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you didn't have the guy that had proven to be an attacking quarterback for a dog
1:02:16
you basically got a guy who's more of a here's the ball I'll hand it to you
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hopefully you you get it so I'm thinking there's other ways to get there AB Ben
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Johnson's not going to come here though if you're not going to get a bunch of the other players that he needs to BU a his offenses look at what but I think
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we've got some of those players with the receivers that we've talked about and plus the the Johnson thing I the big
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question there would be would he want to come to the Giants under Shane and the M owner the miror
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ownership and deal with the vacancy that they have at quarterback but their
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offense is is wicked I mean did you see some the plays they ran again I mean the oh crazy they're fun I mean that that's
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just I mean I again that coaching staff is I they would scare me to death in the playoffs and we're going to see again if
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they do something that bites them in the ass but they are different I mean they do things they're just having fun out
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there I mean it's it's really I don't know if they can overcome the injuries they had on defense they just get
1:03:18
getting but yeah so yeah but I would look I mean would you interview Ben Johnson try to bring oh absolutely
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I just don't think no I just don't think we would be his I don't think he would be as interested in us as we would be in
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him one of the things and SC talked about this you just talked about this and other people have noticed this is there is a growing Trend to have
1:03:39
Reclamation projects at quarterback where people that would say I don't want to have anything to do with this guy and
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but then they then they some coach gets their hands on them and sort of
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reinvigorates them a little bit so now we're having so there are some quarterbacks out there Christ I'm having
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cuz it's so early in the morning who's the guy that with they were're just bringing up the guy with the Jets that b
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flamed out and Z Zack Wilson Z Wilson so some people were talking about Zach
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Wilson well for I don't think you'd come back to the New York Market but Zack Wilson I when I watched him I thought he
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was horrific I wouldn't want to have anything to do with him but it's not out of the realm of possibility that if you
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got somebody who's really good with quarterbacks could fix him so um the guy who's a real quarterback Whisperer is
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the head coach of the Vikings he gets his hands on somebody and he and and and and and then you know cousins leaves and
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he Flames out but then darnold comes in so when people say bring back um D for
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continuity I still go back to what I've been saying the weeks leading up to this that you and I when we did our podcast
1:04:50
what has he done to make you think he's a good coach
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let alone everything else the other baggage you know he's playing you know do they have to draft a quarterback now
1:05:01
to get you know um but he you know they picked they picked to bring back uh Daniel Jones um his offense is averaging
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14 points a game average 15 points a game last year I'm just you can't just
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go well they scored 45 points against the Colts we need to bring them back that doesn't make any sense to me
1:05:18
because then you're ignoring the other 30 games where he I mean this game this team has won nine games since
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um 2022 I mean it's well and you said like don't use the last game use the
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last year the year before the year before that use those use those as things but see I think that's the one
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that's the one problem with day ball it's not about 22 that gives you the
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impression he's a quarterback Whisperer it's with the bills and Josh Allen but what would Josh Allen have been with
1:05:51
another coach we don't know you we have no idea what would have happened I can
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say he had Ken dorsy with him as well at that time who Ken dorsy now I believe is
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with the Browns I think yeah um I I think day
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balls this this uh the Mystique of him being the quarterback Whisperer is really tied to a Superstar athlete
1:06:17
Talent at quarterback versus anything he's done with any of the other quarterbacks well that's what it's
1:06:22
looking like and that's why I think they got to be very D it's a very dangerous situation because we talked about this
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earlier in previous episodes if they roll this back and they flame out in
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September of next year and fans are tuning them out then you've just lost another year because you're going to
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fire him and they may fire Shane next year and then you're then whatever they did in the draft doesn't matter at that
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point the new regime's going to come in so that's why again I'm like this is this is this is would you dip back in
1:06:54
would you be would you dip back into the Tyrod Taylor thing to bring him back as the veteran starter and get a rookie
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behind him he's done this multiple I discount it but the guy's a turnover machine too oh absolutely but yeah but
1:07:05
the the quarterback Market is so bad that I wouldn't discount anybody right now cuz you keep saying we don't have
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anybody on the roster unless you bring back Drew lock which I I wouldn't either
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but Drew lock actually may be one of the if this is why I'm this is why I'm
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worried so is John maror really thinking that
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dble comes or goes depending on the outcome of the Eagles game because first
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of all again the Eagles are going to sit their starters and then if we do win
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that game we could drop down to 10th in the draft and which not only affects the first round as giant grit has been
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pointing out very smartly intelligently as I botch English
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language er um we will lose the top pick in the every
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round so the SEC the first pick in the second round is incredibly valuable
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because not just because you have that pick but you can trade it every it seems
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like every draft we go through teams are begging to get that first pick in the
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second round after after the second day of the draft and they they give up the farm for that pick often times so we're
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not just losing the first pick in the first round we're losing the first pick in subsequent rounds too and they do if
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the records are the same they do rotate but but not when you drop the 10 so but
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see but think how crazy this is is that if mea and again we don't know this but this is the this is the word on the
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street if mea is actually thinking about keeping dble and you would think that if
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they if that's true then this game against the Eagles is really important in mea's
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mind it would he's going to keep the coach that put him in this position but
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only keep him because he won a meaningless game where the other teams set their starters and ultimately it hurt the Giants Big Time hurt the Giants
1:09:05
draft position so this is the this is the hell we're in and this is why I think Giants fans are going crazy with
1:09:12
each other because I think even the ones who who know who are rooting for wins because it
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feels good it's a sugar high as people keep saying they know in the back of their head that this isn't good and
1:09:26
they're put in this really really uncomfortable situation that the thing that you love you kind of want to root against
1:09:33
because in the long term it's better for them but some people can't process that still some people can't understand that
1:09:40
sometimes bad things have to happen in order for you to get better and it's those people that that are going haywire
1:09:46
right now because they're like they they're so mad at the other Giants fans who think that way because they're saying this is our team you don't want
1:09:52
them to fail why do you want them to fail because we want them not just to get out of we we don't want them just to
1:10:00
win a meaningless game in December that improves their record to the you know have five wins instead of three we want
1:10:07
them to get back to the Super Bowl that's the ultimate goal and so that's where the people that are saying it's
1:10:12
better if we lose this game guys are coming from but that tension is driving fans crazy so the way I look at it is
1:10:19
this and I could be I could be wrong so I'll say that right off but this is how I feel if come black Black
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Monday if D ball is the head coach the Giants have decided that they
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are going to get a veteran quarterback and take a quarterback probably a lower
1:10:37
in the draft to develop right which is which it looks like more likely this that's going to happen because you you
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can't bring day ball back and draft a quarterback really really high when day
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Ball's on thin ice because if they don't win you're gonna get rid of them and now you got a
1:10:56
rookie and you're gonna he's going to be on his second head coach with a whole new offensive scheme but they can do
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that they've done that before they can do that but it doesn't make any sense to it doesn't but they'll do that but they
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I don't but I don't think we have done that we did that with when they drafted D they stuck Daniel Jones with both Joe
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judge and dble they did right but no no but that's different Jones was already here right we drafted
1:11:21
Jones with Shermer the with the Shermer was the coach right but we still had Eli so you
1:11:28
drafted Jones to be with you were hoping Eli would have another two years and you got your guy they didn't want to play
1:11:34
him two weeks into the into 2019 that was not the plan right this is different
1:11:40
if you your point was you're sticking the new coach with a quarterback he didn't draft right but what I'm saying
1:11:45
is you wouldn't go get a rookie at the top of the draft with a coach that might not be here next year you might as well
1:11:51
just get the new coach to be with that rookie quarterback that's my argument that's my argument if you keep day ball
1:11:56
you're going veteran which is now kind of like shermer's situation Eli was the veteran
1:12:03
the quarterback came after the fact he he was there but he wasn't there to take over he was there to ultimately assume
1:12:11
the range down the road it just was much faster than anybody thought it would be well those of us who thought Eli was
1:12:17
already done probably knew that but I'm saying if you go and you've got nobody your cover's bear and you're
1:12:23
going to get a rookie quarterback you got to give him a coach that can at least have a year or two with him not
1:12:29
he's one year and if you don't start winning early that coach is out now you're quarterback you've probably
1:12:34
[ __ ] his growth completely because of the I don't know if I'm allowed to use that word I didn't mean it in a bad way you you've stunted his growth
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because you put him so I'm if it's me and I say d Ball's coming back then I
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want a veteran and then a rookie second third fourth round guy that I can develop because maybe I'm getting a
1:12:54
different quar back in 2026 anyway but maybe I get if if you're the quarterback Whisperer do it with a veteran a car
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John you're making complete s you're making you're making complete sense but I the
1:13:08
Giants and they they're gonna get look you and I want to have a lot of guests on this show we've we're alienating
1:13:13
everybody so I don't know if we're going to have any more guests um and and and um we do want to have Skinner come on so
1:13:20
I I don't want to be too harsh I just didn't agree with him on that point I didn't agree I don't know if Paul dintino come on I don't know if Carl
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Banks is going to come on now but you're making complete sense I know mea's not
1:13:32
come on but they don't they're not SM they haven't they've done this stuff before I will make I think this is a
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certainly possible scenario now so say the Giants beat the Eagles and fall to nine or
1:13:46
10 I could see them drafting Carson Beck or milro at nine or 10 with with dble and firing dble next
1:13:54
year I could see that because they've done stuff like that before and right
1:13:59
now so people were saying why are you so upset at losing the number one and number two draft pick because there is
1:14:04
going to be a tremendous pressure right or wrong on this team to draft a quarterback in the first round because
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they don't have a quarterback the fan base is is livid and um
1:14:18
um that they may reach for someone that they might not have done before like you
1:14:23
said you've talked about earlier Shane going to be tremendous pressure on Shane if they had had the first or second
1:14:28
round pick to do something they still May so people who say no Beck's not
1:14:34
going to go Nicks flew up Nicks wasn't supposed to go in the first round first round either and I know people are going
1:14:41
to still say that there but Beck before the season started Beck was considered by many to be the number one quarterback
1:14:47
in this draft but he is he is injured though he is coming off an injury so I think that's gonna that's going to drop
1:14:53
him down he's well it could we just have to see but the Giants are so desperate I would not discount any any possibility
1:15:00
of them doing something that they normally wouldn't do and that's the danger to me rolling everybody back and
1:15:06
in a way it may be a good reason it may be there may be a good thing for
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McDonald and and Chris mea to be more involved this time because maybe they
1:15:17
these guys do need a leash at this point but to me that again it's like then why bring anybody back why don't you know
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continuity I understand the continuity thing it just I dble did not impress me
1:15:30
this year um any way shape or form if there was something he did if they were if they were what I'm seeing Giants fans
1:15:38
doing is is this well he didn't they didn't quit on da well we've they didn't you know we we
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that's not an argument to keep a coach they didn't quit on him that's talking about lowering the bar I want a coach
1:15:51
where you go wow we really out coached the other team even though we were under and we saw glimpses of that in previous
1:15:57
the previous two seasons not enough in 2023 but a little bit towards the end of the year but we've got one game this
1:16:04
year that that and the other the other thing I want to throw out too is um one of the big big big reasons I don't want
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dble back right now is he can't pick defensive coordinators I we haven't talked enough about the Colts game oh my
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God we gave up 33 points to Joe flacko I don't know what's going on with
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Deontay Banks but he's he's looking like Jeremy Lincoln out there all of a sudden I mean it was awful that was an awful
1:16:30
and I've defended banks on this podcast that was our secondary play against Joe
1:16:35
flacko and and can someone cover Alec Pierce I mean what the hell was that that was absurd how bad our defense
1:16:43
and i i people are going say well we're playing with all these guys the guys that were disappointing me were was our
1:16:49
first round draft pick it wasn't it wasn't Garcia playing defensive tackle it was the guy Shane traded up for in
1:16:56
the first round and all of a sudden he can't cover anybody playing with all these guys only mean something in the
1:17:04
concept of the of the of a team piece whether it's the defensive
1:17:10
team the offensive team overall in a one-on-one situation which is what we're
1:17:15
talking about Deontay Banks can't seem to figure out where the football is ever
1:17:20
he's getting worse worse he grabs and tackles or pulls arm and he acts like an
1:17:26
idiot afterwards like I don't understand what you call it you don't you suck I've seen fourth string Corners in preseason
1:17:33
games be less grabby than he was and Banks wasn't like this last year but it was a knock on him though coming out of
1:17:40
college that he was very handsy but he's getting worse he he had no confidence in
1:17:45
that game yesterday the one where he had the long the long pass interference you saw he panicked oh absolutely he had no
1:17:52
idea where the ball was no he never and he's regressing and everyone keeps
1:17:57
talking about Jerome Henderson being all all that and maybe he is but deont Banks
1:18:03
isn't getting better and and this defensive coordinator to me I I still don't know what they're they're kind of
1:18:08
trying to do um actually the defensive line has been playing better since Dexter Lawrence has left against the run
1:18:16
so um there was that one awful run that we gave up the touchdown run but um but
1:18:21
it has good I'm not saying it's been the run defense has been good I'm just saying has been better with the with the back the third and fourth string
1:18:27
defensive lineman so anyway he picked wink marale had to get rid of him I don't think there's a lot of Giants fans
1:18:33
who want Shane Bowen back roll him back probably too so that's part of my thing
1:18:39
with dille too is I don't I'm not real high on on other elements of this coaching well I think that's the other I think that's the other reason you get
1:18:45
rid of dball you've already got you know we've seen this we we've seen this in the past
1:18:50
right Tom cofam was basically forced to move on from different coordinators or you weren't going to be here so he did
1:18:56
and that worked out dball has gone through coordinators he's gone through assistant coaches he's had an offensive
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coordinator that he basically relegated now to being nothing more than a a clip holder a guy who kind of talks to him a
1:19:08
little bit CF cf's got to want to get out of here now yeah Absol doesn't want to be here now so you've gone through
1:19:14
these guys you've given him his chances to replace people and it hasn't worked out it's another reason why you get rid
1:19:20
of the head coach we can also get rid of the staff and is any defensive coordinator if they get rid of bowlan
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going to want to come here because D comes back if D comes back because he's he's a Oney at best maybe it depending
1:19:34
on what happens so I know someone's gonna say because of what I just said a minute ago about you if you're G to get a rookie quarterback High you might as
1:19:41
well have the new coach and and well what about neighbors and what about those guys you drafted
1:19:46
them and now you're gonna have new Co that doesn't matter other position players do not matter it is the
1:19:52
quarterback matters and you draft a quarterback and you say here's your coach here's his offensive system and
1:19:59
then you fire all those people right after that first year and go here's your new coach here's a new system this guy
1:20:06
we're hoping rookie quarterbacks fail at an alarming rate we've done every in that scenario you would have done
1:20:12
everything possible to have him fail so as John Mera said before we did everything to screw this kid up that's
1:20:18
exactly what you would be doing with a draft pick if you bring them in high and you keep the coach that you're kind of
1:20:23
like I don't know we're probably going to fire him after this year if things go bad it would have to be really good for
1:20:30
D Bal to stay any struggle he's gonna be gone so you got to go new coach or you
1:20:36
get a veteran quarterback and now things are a little different I just think you get rid of day ball and your Lo logic
1:20:43
makes complete sense your logic makes complete sense it does so but we are
1:20:48
talking and if that if that rumor that I had heard is true that they were trying to trade for a veteran before for the
1:20:55
trade deadline was accurate and that's a big if then that jives with what you're saying that it's like we need to get a
1:21:02
veteran in here because we can't rely on a well to save our kns and it fits what
1:21:08
what D ball just said there's a reason why he's after all the time where he
1:21:13
could have said stuff like this when he had Jones struggling what did he always say he's gives us the best chance to win
1:21:20
he never once said if we just got competent quarterback play we would have won that game
1:21:25
but that's what he just said after the Colts game this is what you get when you get competent he used the word competent
1:21:31
he didn't say great he didn't say you know just spectacular competent play at
1:21:39
quarterback that was a dig I think at the fact that he was probably forced Jones through where he didn't want to up
1:21:46
to a point you know he wanted to get away from him but I think you and I've talked about this I think whatever was there was there that said you're going
1:21:52
to go to this point if you're not winning at that point and Jones just isn't getting done now you can move away
1:21:59
from we'll let you which that's that's got to be a Mera thing then because or it's a Shane thing it's one of the two
1:22:05
but that's got to be the thing and that's probably why D ball was dead man walking so you're you're John Mera
1:22:10
you're sitting there and you're actually contemplating this scenario Shane stays
1:22:15
dble stays Bowen stays we're going to roll out Russell Wilson as our starting quarterback next year are you excited
1:22:22
about that I'm not I don't know how already like Jesus Christ and I don't know how you can because you already
1:22:28
told Russell Wilson before when you if you came here you couldn't compete wither the name there Justin Fields
1:22:34
Derek Carr I'm not excited about any of that I'm not looking forward to that season and I know people are going to go
1:22:40
out there Eric you can't keep changing quarterbacks you can't keep changing GMS I don't want to do that either but this
1:22:46
didn't work this isn't working people are going well Shane's 2024 draft looks
1:22:51
great his 2023 draft looks like [ __ ] the 20 the 2022 draft with two top seven
1:22:59
picks one is May one has already been a bust and may have to shift the guard to
1:23:06
even remotely redeem his career and the other one Tibido even Sai now is saying we might
1:23:12
have to draft our first pick may have to be an edge rusher to replace Tibido so right after we drafted Tibido at at what
1:23:19
F was it five five so yeah again so Shane would
1:23:25
what why would you beable what do we so when you say we got to have continuity
1:23:31
here you got to have competency and continuity and that's where where I and
1:23:37
then when you roll in all the other things that you've talked about about it forces your hands because you got to
1:23:42
save your neck what I've talked about in terms of what do you have to hang your hat on what have they done I just I
1:23:48
don't see a big argument I will be more okay not thrilled if they bring back Shane bring in a new new coach new
1:23:55
defensive coordinator um and and go from there and and try to get get a quarterback but to
1:24:01
me right now and I hope I'm wrong if they bring back dble and he has a you
1:24:07
know the Giants have a Renaissance next year then I'll be on here going I was
1:24:12
wrong I was wrong I was wrong but I I don't have a good feeling about well we can we can go through the different
1:24:17
coaching scenarios coming up you know in other episodes too but I'll say this because this is what you just you just asked the question would you be excited
1:24:24
I'm not excited but let's let's for one second let's assume that's what's going to happen Shane no just just just for a
1:24:32
second I know I just don't want to go through let's say Shane comes back and day ball comes back in my scenario you
1:24:39
have to get a veteran regardless you can't you can't draft a rookie quarterback really high you have to get
1:24:46
a you got walk well no I I don't think you you can't do that because you I mean
1:24:52
that's the Optics on that are so bad you skipped lock and then that would really that would sell the fact that you relied
1:24:59
everything on this one stupid game if you bring lock back so just for now let's just I don't really care it
1:25:05
doesn't even matter who but let's random names Carson Wentz is a guy that could be a Reclamation project if you wanted
1:25:11
to he's backing up in Kansas City right now Derek Carr um God there's really not
1:25:17
a lot out not a lot out there so right now I'm gonna assume Derek Carr kurk cousins Carson Wentz
1:25:25
I know I know just but just the hell they're in I don't but for shits and giggles purposes let's just
1:25:32
say this is true so what somebody some veteran somebody this is this is now
1:25:37
this is where anybody please this is where I'm at though this is what I would do if it's me this is what I would do
1:25:44
regardless is what I want to do I want to make some trades I'm going to trade back a couple of times they don't have
1:25:50
to be huge trades I just want to trade back a couple of times I want to get a couple extra picks I'm going to nail a
1:25:56
defensive lineman probably fairly if that's the case I'm going to get one of the best defensive lineman available whether it's an ed I keep saying Mason
1:26:02
Graham if they're gonna they're gonna pick in seven Mason Graham's now a candidate but if I can do that by
1:26:08
dropping back a couple so if let I've seen a couple scenarios where Hunter makes it to four if we're at four I
1:26:16
don't want Hunter try down a quarterback's not going to change my team right now because I've got two I've
1:26:23
got two holes at quarterback right now because Banks is Banks is a whole just by being on the field and then I don't
1:26:28
know what you have on the other side yet Phillips is really the slot guy he should not be a starting corner so we really need two so I don't want I don't
1:26:35
want Hunter there because you can't maximize the return on that guy so I want to drop back a couple I want to
1:26:42
then take either Graham or I'll take Carter if he's still there I want a defensive lineman or an edge guy I'm
1:26:48
also okay with trading Kon Tibido if somebody wants them they may need a corner now cuz Banks blows abolutely
1:26:54
Banks blows but I've and you hired a defensive coordinator the banks doesn't play well with I mean you get a Zone
1:27:01
guy Seattle a few years ago nailed their Corners now Witherspoon was a high pick but they nailed other Corners uh Woolen
1:27:09
and and a couple others by going a little bit you need to figure out who you are we talked about this you need an
1:27:16
identity what are we on defense I don't know I don't know what we are so get an ident why bring back D if D cannot and
1:27:23
after three years has not formed an identity with this team and Shane then what are we doing and these are the
1:27:30
decision makers and that's and that's so that's the where I'm coming from so now I'm I'm I want an identity so I want my
1:27:37
Corners to be a little bit bigger I want them to be a little bit more physical I'm okay with a little bit of lack of
1:27:43
speed if you could be more physical you can overcome that scheme I want my defensive line Dexter Lawrence is never
1:27:49
going to be a guy I'm sorry I I I everybody loves him I think he's a great player on Dexter stop not picking him
1:27:54
but he a nose which is what he is is never going to be the dominant player on
1:28:00
a team to lead them anywhere if you don't have anything next to him you but they they're working on getting the guys
1:28:05
next to them Ryan Burns is having a good year and he's not next he is not next to him that's the one thing I disagree with
1:28:12
you I don't look I would no one's on this team is safe but Dexter is a way better player than I didn't say get rid
1:28:18
of Dexter what I'm saying is you can't build around him if you don't have other stuff what would Fletcher Cox be on the
1:28:26
Eagles if he didn't have other defensive tackles what I'm saying is you build around Dexter more or you get trade them
1:28:32
but what but what I'm saying is they haven't done that that's what I'm trying to say so you can't just say we've got
1:28:38
Dex we've got Dexter L but they're not you threw guys out on the edge our run
1:28:43
defense what was George Young's big thing besides the dancing elephants you build up the middle right we have one
1:28:50
guy if you eliminate that one guy you've got nothing else in there right and I
1:28:55
said since August I've said that the biggest thing that they didn't interest was defens tackle and you said asan was
1:29:01
their biggest loss asan Robinson yeah so if you get a Graham right or we get a guy in the second round we need another
1:29:08
big guy in the middle or the edges don't matter somebody else posted this I loved it the fact that they said it you went
1:29:13
and got a guy who wins at a pass rush rate of you know probably one of the better pass rush rates in the league the
1:29:19
problem is we never put anybody in obvious passing situation that's a huge thing and that's why that's why actually
1:29:24
K on Tibido and Brian Burns's numbers aren't what they should be is because we're never ahead in a game where we're
1:29:30
pass rushing them and I do like what you said about the corners being bigger because you've got to play in order to
1:29:36
make the playoffs you have to win your division games and we're going to have to deal with Jaden Daniels for the next
1:29:42
decade and we're going to have to deal with the Eagles still running the ball for foreseeable future with or without
1:29:48
saquan Barkley That's just their system we got to have corners out there that can that can that can play The Edge that
1:29:55
can play outside perimeter and the run and not just cover people so so I agree
1:30:01
with you on that but that's gets back to the again the guys that are there are the ones that are supposed to create the
1:30:06
identity the defensive coordinator supposed to create the identity this is why I'm so down on this
1:30:12
coaching staff right now is there's I keep saying there's nothing to hang their hat on there's I what are the what
1:30:18
are what's the positive right now from these gu they won the Colts game that's not it that's not enough for me that so
1:30:26
I I was thinking and the reason I was bringing up where I was going with it is I was thinking back to earlier in the season and if you take D ball words that
1:30:34
he just said to have deeper meaning than just that particular game then it goes back to the beginning of the season I
1:30:41
think he thinks feels that they would have won more games if their quarterback
1:30:47
just had made a few plays not Jake down the field Play Even though that's they would have I think but that's what they
1:30:53
wanted to because we just you know there were some passes that were just off so the you said we had a lot of drops but a
1:30:58
lot of them were like off Target throws that you want a good receiver to make but I they it shouldn't be the staple of
1:31:05
every pass that you throw to them they should be able to make catches and move and we we weren't doing that I think
1:31:11
he's looking at that and then but the other thing too though I looked at it and go we lost to a Cowboys team that we
1:31:17
we only gave what I think we gave two touchdowns in the game we couldn't score
1:31:22
points but the problem is is we also let them gash us on the ground which then
1:31:27
allowed their drives to last a little bit longer they could take chances they were kicking long field goals later if
1:31:33
you had a decent defense that stopped some of that stuff maybe we get a few more chances with a shorter field we
1:31:40
didn't get that so you were we were hamstrung on two sides of the ball yeah so we can only fix really one side at a
1:31:47
like completely fixed one side at a time you can do the quarterback but you still got to he's got to be integrated that's
1:31:53
going to take time our defense we can make changes very quickly with a much more aggressive
1:31:59
better physical defense and then you get by with competent quarterback play that's kind of where I'm looking at
1:32:05
right now get a veteran get a young guy to learn if it's a Jackson Dart you might be able to get him later in the
1:32:10
draft if it's Beck I'm okay with that because I want to hope that maybe his
1:32:16
his junior year or sophomore whatever I can't even tell anymore what years are what his previous year was more
1:32:23
indicative of where is than this year maybe there was too much pressure Georgia wasn't as good by the way this
1:32:28
year as they had been in previous years so maybe there's some of that who knows but you get a development guy and we get
1:32:35
a veteran but build that defense up the Giants were built around defense and tell me the last time you felt we had a
1:32:42
but Shane Bowen's not the guy to do that no I I agree I that's why I still am okay d d gonna fire fire another
1:32:50
defensive coordinator here that looks bad so and know technically wink wasn't fired but we know what happened there so
1:32:56
do you do you think okay let's we don't want to take there was one thing that you said Oh you talked about the Cowboys
1:33:04
so Cooper Russia's Cowboys get slaughtered by The Eagles with their backup quarterbacks for what is it 41
1:33:11
to7 but Cooper Russia's Cowboys in the last two years are 2-0 against the
1:33:16
Giants that's the that's the level of Gap that we have talent play Gap
1:33:23
right now we can't beat Cooper rush and but the Eagles slaughter them without
1:33:28
Jaylen Herz so that's I mean it just this team we keep that's why I'm so down
1:33:35
when people say keep keep keep the continuity going it's like but why we're
1:33:42
not we already we lose we lose we lose and and and um we should wrap this up
1:33:47
like I want to hear what you had to say but the other thing I I keep wanting to bring up and I keep trying to find a spot is it's it's kind of ironic that
1:33:56
um Malik neighbors's new best friend um shadur Sanders they were
1:34:03
playing ball in the street in New York City his performance may have just you know probably knocked him out of the
1:34:09
picture so in a way in a way that's the competitive juices that people are saying PE people don't can't tank
1:34:15
because athletes are professionals and they go out there and they try to win I I wonder if if Malik woke up on
1:34:24
Monday and realized he just cost the Giants a shot at at Sanders I'm not advocating for Sanders I'm just saying
1:34:30
but I I think I think based on their their interaction with each other I think Malik wanted Sanders on the Giants
1:34:37
he he almost single-handedly knocked him out of the picture which is kind of ironic so so does okay so um real quick
1:34:45
then we'll because we'll keep it a little bit tighter um which we didn't do we didn't but that's fine no but that's
1:34:51
fine that's fine because I think I mean there's so much more we could talk about so much more to talk about let's so I'm
1:34:56
gonna I'm gonna we'll do a couple of real quick questions so we'll keep our answers to to
1:35:02
short in your mind let's let's
1:35:07
just if you're John Merritt does firing day ball like trying
1:35:12
to figure out what's the best route keeping him or fire him does it depend on where you end up in the draft meaning
1:35:18
if I'm in the top three I know my I know one of the teams which is New England at the moment
1:35:24
doesn't need a quarterback so if I'm in the top three I'm guaranteed of getting one of those two quarterbacks does that
1:35:30
mean you know what I'm I'm gonna go ahead and and we're gonna just gonna get I want a coach that's gonna come in with
1:35:35
his own quarterback or if you fall out of that and you're four five six seven do you go
1:35:42
okay we're not getting one of those guys I kind of want to keep things and I will bring a veteran I want to keep it does
1:35:48
it matter to you where we because I think you make your decision on whether you think you have the right coach or
1:35:53
not right okay so I don't I think I don't think it matters where you draft and that's my problem with it the the if
1:35:59
if the reports are correct and maror is still trying to make up his mind the absurdity you know how we started the
1:36:06
clip the show you're so stupid you're so stupid why would it
1:36:12
matter what the Giants did against the Colts and the Eagles whether you kept your kept da or not it should be completely immaterial it doesn't right
1:36:19
and but if he's basing it on that I don't I don't understand there's no to me someone's going to have to explain
1:36:24
that to me because that doesn't make any sense but that they're continuing to play hard that again lowering the so no
1:36:30
not no no difference and for and for those folks real quick if you're wondering why I have a picture of Daryl
1:36:36
from The Office behind me Germaine illuminor made a comment about uh telling fans the fans deserve this and
1:36:42
that's a that that's an image from an episode called PDA and it was the opening part of the episode where Pam
1:36:48
brings in a card to Daryl because his grandmother passed away but when they passed the card around the office
1:36:54
everybody thought it was Daryl's birthday so there were like different comments and one of them said hey keep it up big guy you deserve this so he's
1:37:02
got tears coming out of his eyes that's kind of the way I felt when I read illuminor was coming like what do you mean we deserve this nobody was rooting
1:37:09
for a win okay so of the of the thought okay let's say
1:37:14
then D Ball's fired do you have a preference a defensive head coach
1:37:23
offensive head head coach we should probably spend a whole episode on this um that's that gets complicated I just
1:37:29
want a coach that knows what they're doing I just want I just want to win I'm
1:37:34
so tired of changing coaches some of this is selfish too I have to go back if
1:37:39
they change the coaching staff I've got to go back into the coaching section of the website and change every coaching
1:37:45
bio that I have in there and I don't want I don't want to do that so I have a vested interest in not having the Giants change your coaches but I can't go
1:37:53
through this anymore I'm not getting any enjoyment out of following the Giants right now anymore and look I had the
1:37:59
same Sugar High against the Colts I thought it was really cool when Malik neighbors ran for 59 yards for a touchdown I was actually going wow
1:38:06
that's cool I mean I was but then I'm like [ __ ] like and then the Colts are coming
1:38:13
back and I'm like damn it we're gonna lose this game but then I'm like wait we want to lose
1:38:19
this game that's the that's why I think people are having me mental health issues with the Giants right now is
1:38:25
because you're having these conflict you know it's like that old thing where you have an angel and a devil on your
1:38:30
shoulder like that but that's what's going on right now and that's why everyone's going haywire so so I just
1:38:36
want to coach you and I have talked about it defensive coach would make sense because it I think that's one easy
1:38:41
way to create an identity I think defensive coaches have a way to create an identity but the way the league has
1:38:47
gone right now it seems like if you have a really good offensive coordinator he's going to leave and become a head coach some so there is an argument D was
1:38:54
supposed to be the guy that we got that was supposed to be the the quarterback Whisperer awesome Innovative head
1:39:00
coach that if we lost our offensive coordinator like kfka it wouldn't be a big deal because dble was the guy and he
1:39:08
would just Elevate somebody like Shay tyy to be the next guy and we'd be good but it didn't hasn't worked out that way
1:39:13
we've averaged 15 and 14 points a game the last two seasons they picked Daniel Jones to come back they they went into
1:39:20
the season with this stupid plan at said we don't really really believe in Daniel
1:39:26
Jones but we're going to surround him with weapons but if we doesn't work out we're going to get rid of him and we're
1:39:32
going to be stuck with Drew lock and DeVito and that was our game plan and and easily predictable it turned into a
1:39:39
disaster and they finally get in position to get the first round draft the first overall pick they just got to
1:39:45
tank the last two games and they couldn't even do that they couldn't they could I made I made a comment earlier
1:39:53
about word playing the one half sets the record and then sits down assuming to
1:39:59
not be injured because he's going to be a hyra piic in many ways that is exactly
1:40:05
what the Giants did with this season we kept playing Daniel Jones until you felt like you weren't going to be able to
1:40:12
salvage a winning season and then you go oops we don't want him playing anymore because he might get hurt so take him
1:40:18
off there so you were okay that he might get hurt to here
1:40:24
but once you got to there you're like I don't want him to get hurt here's a question for you we haven't discussed this and we we got to get off here's a
1:40:31
real we we have not just discussed this do you think Brian dble was okay with
1:40:37
benching Daniel Jones think about the ra think about the
1:40:43
ramifications of that did so did Daniel did he say Daniel Jones is so bad that
1:40:48
anybody's better than him or did or did that was that decision made for him because of the financial Financial
1:40:55
things so I think it's two things I think you mentioned something that I I
1:41:01
think was probably coming from him and I'm wondering if he through his Camp
1:41:06
leaked it out that that they were thinking about somebody else I think he
1:41:11
wanted that veteran quarterback that that you were told about that I'm aware of um and that's the same veteran
1:41:19
quarterback that I wanted them to try I mention it was Stafford yeah it was it was it was St at this point it was at
1:41:24
this point it doesn't matter it was the rumor was that they were going to they were trying when and this is when the Rams were like three and six or
1:41:30
something right when if they hadn't beaten the Vikings on that Thursday night their season's probably over and I
1:41:36
think the Rams are dumping players and I was told right after that happened that win that it changed everything y so that
1:41:44
to me says everything I need to know right there that Brian deal knew he
1:41:49
needed a guy and Matthew Stafford quite frankly I think would have turned everything
1:41:55
around here completely not that we would have been a super Super Bowl contending team but we might be right now in the in
1:42:03
the thick of potentially making a wild card because he would have changed everything Malik neighbors would have
1:42:09
been attacking the ball look what he did just in a couple of plays he got down the field Stafford's throwing the ball down the field I mean he's not and
1:42:16
Stafford changes arm angle staff does so many different D comes back whether you agree with it or not if they have six
1:42:22
the have six wins or more DAV for sure comes back whether you agree with that or or not well if you brought Stafford
1:42:28
in and you suddenly were winning games or were competent even if you didn't win a ton let's say you win three four more games but the team is competitive and
1:42:35
the offense is starting to go you know that it was the quarterback that was ultimately holding it back and you're
1:42:41
going to bring him back and you're going to give him some more weapons now it makes sense because you've got the quarterback that being
1:42:47
said when they didn't go that route I think he probably wanted keep Jones in
1:42:53
there because he said it more than once he gives us our best chance to win because I don't think he believed in anybody else that's why he went to D
1:43:00
Vito afterwards I'm wondering if that was D Ball's choice and not Mara's
1:43:06
Choice like we're going I'm gonna play Deo play deito and that flamed out bad
1:43:13
who knows it's really hard to say but I we haven't talked about that enough because that affects again what we don't
1:43:19
know is was dble told he's coming back no matter what and it's all signs point he was not not told that because because
1:43:28
um he just doesn't seem like a guy to me that looked like he was terribly confident until and then like you said
1:43:35
he had this weirder press conference this last time where he was more expansive on if I had a quarterback and
1:43:42
that kind of thing I don't know if he talks that way if he was told I don't know I don't I
1:43:48
don't know what your if you're if you're well if you're coming back I don't know that you make those comments I mean
1:43:53
that's what I mean but do I don't know because well weird the com the comments
1:43:58
hint to the fact that this is what you wanted earlier in the year and you didn't have
1:44:04
it and because you could have said it at any other point you could have said if
1:44:10
we had competent quarterback play we would have won this game we were close passes weren't thrown that should have
1:44:15
been thrown it should have been made he says it here this is what you get when you get competent quarterback play and
1:44:22
if he's the one wanted Stafford that even that really intensifies I think he's gone I think I think I think Shane
1:44:30
probably won out his part of it and I think I think D Ball's gone but if he's
1:44:36
if he's here it's gonna be really they have to do that they have to tune out all the
1:44:41
noise if there's anyone from the Giants watching this tune out all the
1:44:46
noise and go with your gut and say do you see this coaching staff lifting a
1:44:52
little Lombardi trophy do you really see Shane Bowen's defense being able to deal with the
1:44:59
Philadelphia Eagles dealing with the Washington Washington commanders um dealing with I almost slipped again um
1:45:05
dealing with ar they gonna go They're gonna go back to the Skins by the way yeah they might go back to them then I then then I'll be okay um I'll stop
1:45:14
making that slip up um watch I'll call him the commanders then um but remember
1:45:19
this team is going to finish winless in the division if they lose on lose on Sunday they they will not have beaten
1:45:25
and and that Brian dav's record against the NFC East since 2022 will be it's got
1:45:31
to be the worst in franchise history I'd have to go back and look at like arnsberger and all those guys but but
1:45:37
this the division record is is got to be it's got to pretty abysmal it's got to
1:45:42
be abysmal because they he he's got a handful a couple of wins three or four wins against the commanders and that's
1:45:49
about it I think we upset the Eagles when they were weren't playing for anything but I think that's it I think we have four wins in three years against
1:45:56
the against the division none this year and quite frankly our previous poor head
1:46:02
coaches also had success against Washington but couldn't beat Philadelphia and Dallas so that's
1:46:07
nothing to hang your hat on that you were doing okay with Wasington we've had all our other coaches and now Washington's gonna you know if nothing
1:46:14
changes with the Giants Washington's gonna own us now because they have that quarterback I mean that that guy's going
1:46:19
to people keep saying you know it's it's his first year and they may be right but but holy hell if if janen Daniels was a
1:46:25
New York Giant right now I'd be doing back flips based on what I've seen that that team is not good and he's carrying
1:46:31
that team he's really really good well and I think too go back to hard KNX
1:46:36
Brian deall would you trade up and he goes for Danel he never said may he goes
1:46:42
for Daniels yeah definitely so he loved Daniels I think he really liked may they
1:46:49
were very good about not showing that too much about the name specifically they showed the name of the guy you
1:46:55
could you weren't GNA get because May was kind of in play but New England was how can how can this regime judge the
1:47:02
draft quarterbacks better than they dra they they they could analyze Daniel Jones who
1:47:09
they had their hands on for a year that's what to me I can't understand they had Daniel Jones under their nose
1:47:15
for a full year and they said bring this guy back which gets back to the your thing that maybe their hands were tied
1:47:22
tied but we'll never know well and and you know and the thing too I mean did you judge the quarterbacks well
1:47:30
because you went three and then the other three you apparently thought they weren't good enough so you went and got
1:47:36
a weapon for your guy if the so I'm gonna ask you this real quick and then we're gonna We we'll call it here I
1:47:42
asked the question on the site and I and I apologize I will go back and look at it and we will bring it up on the next video what everybody
1:47:48
said do you have a player if you if we're picking number one oh no I haven't
1:47:55
done this yet I you haven't done it yet it depends on where they're picking but like they're not going to pick number one it but but your point is if we were
1:48:02
picking number one you feel that we lost either getting the quarterback or the trade those two things we lost I'm glad
1:48:10
you brought that up and I'll do it real quick I the thing that drives me crazy about this is not just so there's some
1:48:15
people on the site that are saying um wait I was told BBI didn't really like
1:48:21
Sanders and orward and therefore why are you guys upset BBI isn't a monolithic
1:48:27
creature there are a couple thousand people that post regularly on the site everyone has different opinions and
1:48:33
there are a ton of people at least half the site wanted Sanders or or or a ward but even if you didn't I was leaning
1:48:40
towards Ward but I haven't done full di to this but we miss out on the
1:48:45
opportunity of doing what you said earlier which makes a ton of sense for this team is not just in the first and
1:48:52
second round but move around the draft and trade down and accumulate draft picks so if you were not sold on the
1:48:59
quarterbacks and you were not didn't want to spend a number one overall pick on a defensive tackle or a cornerback or
1:49:06
the Dual threat um Corner wide receiver trade down get another second round
1:49:13
draft pick maybe um maybe even a fourth round draft pick and then at the top of the second round trade down again and
1:49:19
again that first pick in the second round always gets tra traded and it always gets traded because you got like
1:49:25
six teams competing for that the the return on that pick is insane the Giants could have come out of this draft with
1:49:31
maybe like 12 draft picks and and and really changed their roster provided
1:49:37
they can draft I me again we the Shan thing but that's what I would that's why I'm upset so they took it took away the
1:49:44
options so I'm not mad right now going oh my God we lost this player I'm I'm mad that we lost the options the options
1:49:51
are off the table now I feel a lot of people are really pissed about the quarterback thing but then you're forcing the that's where I'm
1:49:59
worried then you force the pick and what I was really getting worried about is the Sanders Camp would seem to be
1:50:05
really pushing the first pick the Giants yeah what is with the Giants shoes in
1:50:11
the locker yeah and I'm like you know and I think if it was a different team with the number one pick that might have
1:50:17
been the same thing who knows they're not I'll say this the Sanders family is not stupid
1:50:23
they Dion knows marketing Dion knows what you need to do about you know
1:50:28
creating that Persona Dion can force things to happen without coming out and saying I'm for where he said I didn't
1:50:34
say anything about them not going anywhere but you can make things happen and what was happening I felt like the
1:50:41
Giants were being painted into a corner and it's one that they really worry about perception Mar is a big perception
1:50:47
guy that's stupid too I know I I agree be a man do do be a man by the way
1:50:53
godamn it make if you're G to make a choice say you made the choice I don't have a problem with it if I feel that's
1:50:59
what I want to do I don't agree with it but they should they should have said if if they want to bring back dble they
1:51:05
should have said it by now they should have said it by now which is why I think he's not coming back I think Shane is
1:51:11
pretty obvious he is you don't send him to all these different you going to see the two quarterbacks you're doing other
1:51:19
stuffff you don't put the assistant GM down on the side keeping an eye on things if your coach
1:51:26
is fine Shane's coming back I think that's obvious they you can say he's maybe been
1:51:34
a little better at his job than D ball has I I don't like d Ball's coaching
1:51:39
style period I think he just does things so inconsistently Shane's consistent
1:51:44
he's not always right but he's consistent in with what he does I'm okay with that part of it I just don't like
1:51:52
the results but again Evan Neil is that his fault no I thought Evan Neil was going to be a good offensive tackle I
1:51:58
just don't want to take a right tackle at seven I would have moved down and maybe get one of the other tackles and
1:52:03
accumulate some picks same as in 2018 I would not have taken Barkley I would have moved down and I would have taken
1:52:09
Quinton Nelson did you just the Giants do things too whack-a-mole we go after
1:52:15
one thing two years too late and then you create more stuff so anyway I think Shane's coming back I think dall's got
1:52:21
to go but we'll know next week uh when we do a show next week of where we're at with the coaches or at least we think we
1:52:27
will yeah um but yeah to deci side we going to do a show this week or not previewing the Eagles game we'll we'll
1:52:33
come up with that but in terms of when like how do the Giants win but whether
1:52:39
they win was the best way to lose the game so so I'll I'll say this pay
1:52:45
attention to the stories that come out the rest of this week oh yeah if there arew pay pension Paul Schwarz and ra
1:52:53
Ralph aano listen to those guys they they'll things if there's some stories
1:52:58
that come out like you know well there's been a little Strife in the coaching staff you know D ball and Kafka haven't
1:53:04
seen eye to eye you know D Ball's been disappointed in Bowen or there's been some hints that you know this this staff
1:53:11
really just didn't put the players in a best position that he's out of here that's just building the narrative
1:53:16
before Monday so that's only if you've already made up your mind but your fear
1:53:22
and I agree is that Sunday May play a role in whether day it does if this if
1:53:29
this is all determined on Sunday's game this franchise is in way deeper
1:53:35
trouble than we than we want to admit and don't tell me Giants fans out there that I'm making too much out of this if
1:53:42
they're basing their decision on Sunday's game the big picture stuff the big strategic
1:53:48
stuff um you might want to find a new want to find a new team I don't know
1:53:55
what to tell you because because we're becoming a team I used to I used to I
1:54:00
used to kind of cringe because I I like other sports too and you know but I don't I don't follow them as closely as
1:54:05
as I follow the Giants but I used to shake my heads reading the Knicks threads over the decades that bbi's been
1:54:13
on because I kept thinking nothing's going to change with the Knicks because the way that the team is owned and I
1:54:19
know they've had some some UPS late but again it's it I feel like the Giants
1:54:25
are in that in that chip right now it's like the the it's so rotten at the top right now that's why I'm really
1:54:32
concerned about this I mean John if you're listening or you have your minions listening out there
1:54:37
just let somebody get somebody in here that knows what they're doing and fix thing Washington Washington is a great
1:54:44
example because Dan Snider they finally got rid of him they get new
1:54:50
ownership and the D and everything immediately starts improving in the right direction and and um you know the
1:54:58
Cowboys started turning things around when when Jerry Jones stopped make getting involved in the draft as much
1:55:04
and they the guy that runs the draft down there who's really good you got to have good people in place to build build
1:55:09
a team and know what they're doing and then you have to have a good coach coach quarterback and and defense just get
1:55:17
those things in order and you'll be you'll easily be a 9 and seven team in the this league and because the team's
1:55:24
the League's awful look how many oh yeah three win teams there are right now the
1:55:29
I'm not sure before they beat the Colts I wasn't sure the Giants could beat any other team in this league um and yet
1:55:38
we're in a position now where we we we may have the 10th pick in the draft and that's that that's how bad the league is
1:55:44
right now the the the league is is very bad um there's a lot of bad football
1:55:50
right now so if you if you look I'll I'll say this too and then I'll end it you you mentioned Washington Dan Quinn
1:55:55
is is a great example of what the Giants potentially need to look at if they
1:56:01
interviewed him they wanted or they wanted to interview him remember when he was they were looking at wasn't he part
1:56:07
of the coaching cycle when he were they want to interview him when D came in I
1:56:12
thought they did they might have yeah I think they wanted an interview but where but where I was going with this is that
1:56:17
for those of you who keep crapping on the Vel thing right I've mentioned Vel and people go V never won anything you
1:56:23
know they they never could get over the hump blah blah blah blah blah Dan Quinn took a team that had a 28 to3 lead in
1:56:31
the Super Bowl and they lost they did not get over the hump in a very poor NFC
1:56:37
South many times they they were able to do okay but they should have rolled through with some of the talent that
1:56:43
they had they had Matt Ryan they had Julio Jones I mean they had a pretty decent defense you got a great coaching
1:56:49
staff they they didn't do anything sometimes it's just that next
1:56:55
place they go Tom Coughlin took the Jags to a point couldn't get beyond that Tom Coughlin then comes in he goes on don't
1:57:03
crap on the Rael thing I think Rael Rael is a guy now will he want to come here that's a whole different thing all John
1:57:09
so my wife just walked in the front door and she goes oh my God they're still on I know actually I gotta text a little
1:57:16
while she goes I thought you were gonna go fast and I was like well we are okay sorry for everyone who stayed with us we
1:57:23
just had so much to talk about so we'll we'll we'll get back together before the week's over we'll do something about the
1:57:29
Eagle game but more about just kind of where things are going so far and then some things to keep an eye on the the
1:57:34
big question will be does saquon Barkley play in that game to try to set a record I suspect he
1:57:42
won't because I think if it was in Giants stadium they might do it I know I
1:57:47
giant St metti whatever at home they don't want to risk
1:57:53
if Barkley were to get hurt at home in their own stadium knowing that they're they're going to be playing a playoff
1:57:59
game the next week no on the road maybe playing where he could do it stick it to
1:58:05
the old team that he was in maybe they let him play a half I don't think Barkley ends up playing especially let's
1:58:10
talk about well we'll talk about this next time we WRA this up yeah so with that being said like subscribe all that
1:58:15
good stuff and uh God we won a game and we're all sad yay you're so
1:58:24
stupid all right we'll catch up again appreciate you listening and uh have a great day and happy New Year
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