Inside BBI’s Draft Eve Special With Dave Syvertsen! #sports #football #nfl #draft

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all right well welcome back to another edition of Inside BBI with John and Eric i'm John Mcdev and with me as always
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senior editor of Big Blue Interactive Mr eric Kennedy and Eric for the second
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time tonight this week we have a guest immediately with us and joining us our one of our favorites i I want to say our
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favorite but then I'm dissing everybody else one of our favorites u from Arlad Scouting uh Dave Cyvers and and
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everybody knows you as Sai dave you've been everywhere uh lately you are in
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demand my friend so how does it feel right now leading up to this is like uh this is like the Super Bowl for for
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scouting yeah I'm I'm very much looking forward to to just the the sheer
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entertainment of tomorrow it's going to be a it's going to be a wild night i I think very unpredictable that's how I
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like it and but I will say I'm I'm getting a little mock drafted out because normally I I you know Daniel
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Jeremiah is doing his 800 PM mockdraft tonight we saw Peter Shraggger's this morning which I always pay attention to
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to both of those things this time of year but I'm reading it i'm just like kind of sick of it you know like I just
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want to see what happens and because you can come up with 10 scenarios of what's going to happen in the top 10 alone and
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it just trickles down i mean we're doing a seven round mock draft right now and I don't even know I have no idea what to
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do with Shar Sanders i have no idea so I'd like to do some stuff that's going to be a little outside the box so it's not get too repetitive but those are
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good problems to have it's it's been it's been um it's been a long long I would say 11 month process and to see
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everything kind of come bottleneck to to tomorrow night i can't wait uh just interacting with everyone and you know
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being happy being sad doesn't really matter this time of year it's just it's just going to be fun to see actually see what happens
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i'll let you go here Eric i know you got stuff yeah um big picture because I know
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where you were a month maybe two months ago and when approaching this draft as a
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Giants fan if you were looking at this draft and I've seen a lot of people probably haven't seen your comments on
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Twitter but where are you at big picture put the quarterback aside for a second
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what would you be trying to accomplish in this draft not from a specific player
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but in terms of what do you what do you want to do with this team what is your vision for the New York Giants in order
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for them to compete in the division with the world champions and the other team they have to compete with now is the one
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that was in the NFC Championship game i would put the NFC East right up there
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with the AFC North in terms of how physical this division is and every
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coach every GM every fan every player says we want to be more physical but I
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think that that's the macrolevel plan I would love to do is that you get you start building up from where they
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currently are to build a nasty big strong fast and physical team and I'm
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willing to give in some other areas if you can make me bigger faster more physical um I don't want to get too
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caught up into hey you need to have the best production ever in college you need to have the longest arms you know you
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you need to you know come from a power f power four program now I just want bigger faster physical and let that be
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an identity for this team the easy answer is to build the trenches offensive line defensive line which they
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should do in this draft especially this draft the easy answer is to get another running back that can you know help move
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the chains and keep the ball in their possession and keep the Eagles offense off the field keep Jaden Daniels off the
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field that's an easy answer but that gets specific and you need other things to happen for that to line up for you so
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I think the macrolevel plan coming in quarterback aside is to make this team
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bigger faster and more physical and to follow up with that too is so and it's a
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kind of a running joke on the website and between John and I I've gotten addicted to the draft simulators do you have
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but they're a great tool to show you the opportunity cost of doing certain things
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in the draft like going after a quarterback and I'm sure we're going to spend at least a decent part of this
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show on the quarterback conversation one of the problems I have and I know you had it a month ago and I and I want
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to see if your your views have changed is is I'm not thrilled with any of the
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quarterbacks in this draft and when I'm on the clock in the simulators and I'm
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looking at possibly drafting a quarterback and comparing them with one of these trench players that you're
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talking about bigger stronger faster I have a hard time passing
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on that those guys and in the back of my mind that I'm also worried about you know them trading away capital to move
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up into the back end of the first round which they may have to do to a quarterback to get a quarterback i know
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that you have talked in the past that you might pass on a quarterback in this
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draft have you has your have your views evolved since a month or so ago because
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I know at one point you were saying maybe we should wait till next year to look at the quarterback yeah I'm you
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know my wife calls me stubborn all the time so here I am i'm I'm gonna pull the stubborn card again and tell you that I
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I would pass altogether on quarterback unless you see a crazy value in round four round five okay the only scenario I
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can get behind though and I think this is going to be a surprise to some because in the effort to make them
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bigger faster and more physical is Jaylen Milroe it is to quote Daniel
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Jeremiah it's a lottery ticket those are his words not mine but that is the best
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way to put it you know your odds with him are a little bit better than winning the lottery so let's not dis make play
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into that too much but the one thing I like about Milroe is that there are so
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many different ways you can use him even if he's not your franchise quarterback and honestly you might even know that
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next year so if you take Jill Monroe you probably do have to do at 34 overall that is the issue but if you take him at
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34 and you're in a position to take a guy at this time next year you still do
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it unless Jaylen Mo knocks your socks off all year in meetings and practice
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preseason games maybe he gets some looks towards the end of the year and again that's what the lottery ticket does for
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you and even if you don't like him at quarterback I guarantee he's a weapon
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for this team for the long-term future and one follow-up question sorry Jen one last one on Milro am I making too much
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out of this when I see him interviewed when I listen to him speak I'm impressed with him i don't know if you get that
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same vibe but he seems to me to have a professionalism about him and so that
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that intrigues me as well nick Sabin loves him okay he's loved he's loved him since pre pre this season he's talked
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highly about him when he stepped in for Bryce Young when he got hurt two years ago and he did something that no one
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ever did in Alabama quarterback history throw three touchdowns in his first start ever and that was back in
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2022 um I think if I remember correctly he came in from Texas A&M he played well and he started last year and put himself
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in the discussion with not just his arm and uh sorry not just with his legs but
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with his downfield passing and his passing tape this season it was not good
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but he also suffered from drops down the field more than any quarterback in this
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class jaylen Milroe part of what gives him upside as a passer is that he throws
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dimes down the field he makes really highlevel deep ball throws consecutive
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seasons over and over against good competition and I'm telling you right now if those guys came down with those
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balls Ryan Williams one of his best receiver dropped multiple if they came down with some of his numbers are that
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much better and I think we're talking about a different statistical version of Jaylen Monroe if a few of those balls
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comes that down so to me I I believe that Jaylen Monroe is worth a roll of
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the dice if you want to roll the dice do I want to do you guys want to that's where these discussions get really
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interesting do you actually want to roll those dice because I've always said this about taking quarterback day too clap
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clap good for you i support your decision you're giving up the opportunity to beef up another area of
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the roster right true and we'll come back to Jaylen because I want there's more stuff I want
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to ask about him but I will say this the Eagles have a second round quarterback who took him to the Super Bowl won the
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Super Bowl the Cowboys have a third round quarterback so it's not unheard of within the division and we don't need
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him to come in and start i love what you've said i've said it all along his athletic ability i I I know the
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comparison of people go flip out but it is a true comparison it's just he's this further ahead he's he's kind of Taesm
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Hill in that he can do all those things Taesm can do but your potential as a quarterback is there where Taesm's
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really not but his athletic ability is so much further ahead his body size allows you to use him for other stuff by
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the way if I draft him I might make him the second quarterback sometimes in games knowing my emergency quarterback
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if somebody gets hurt I'll worry about the next week and bring Winston in to be the starter and Jaylen because I can use
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him to run things that Justin Fields did for the Steelers when they had Russell Wilson that being said let's pretend for
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the moment right we don't know what the Giants are going to do at 34 so I don't want to stick to the quarterback at
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three we kind of have an idea at the moment we have Hunter we have Carter before we talk about those two
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specifically I want to ask you what would it take for you to move off from three what would you need from somebody
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else to say you know what that's worth it for me to do that uh 2026 first is
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the first part of the conversation uh no question about it and even if you're coming up from five right or six it's
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got there's got to be a first because you're giving up Abdul Carter that's what you're doing right it's not hey the
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draft value chart says it's only worth uh 600 parts in points in margin no no you're giving up Abdul Carter the number
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one or number two player on the board uh even uh no matter who you are he he's at
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the top of everyone's board and that's the start of the deal the other
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component and this is based on how far down the draft you're going I would want another day two pick if it's if you're
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going down pretty far like Carolina at 8 Chicago at 10 San Francisco at 11 you're
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talking about a day two pick this year and next year in addition to the first round pick if you're going down to six
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or five you could probably take just one like a third rounder this year but it's got to be two picks they have to be what
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I call premium picks meaning top 100 i'm getting a starter that's the goal include and then a first and next year
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because the reason why I would take a trade down and pass on an Abdul Carter
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is with the quarterback in mind that's the only reason I'm doing a a trade like
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that is to make sure I go into the 2026 draft with more ammo to trade up if I
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needed it or one of these teams is terrible and I get their first round pick kind of what happened with Chicago
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Carolina last year right is there with those two guys in mind Hunter
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Carter depending on because we don't really know yet still the rumor is Hunter Carter's available but but it
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might not be does that change for you the if you're the Giants the likelihood
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of a trade meaning if it's Hunter that's there is there more of a chance that I trade than if Carter was the guy that
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was there or is it pretty much even as far as what you think i would say even you know I like Abdul Carter for this
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football team more than I like Travis Hunter but I do think Travis Hunter is a better prospect because of his
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legitimate credible two-way force but I still don't know what your plan is with
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him and this that the Travis Hunter is a fantasy and I he is my number one player
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in this draft so I don't want to talk down on him or anyone that wants to bring him in but it's going to be a
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circus no matter what in terms of what what room does he go to when it's
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position meetings right receiver corner what when you get the group together is
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he in the offensive room or defensive room and I know everyone thinks he can do it on both ways at the next level but
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we are also talking about something that's literally never been done before and if he has a bad stretch at wide
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receiver six weeks in are you going to pull the trigger quickly and move him to the defensive side of the ball i mean
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there's just so many things that are going to be really unstable i almost don't want to deal with it if I'm a team
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if someone's going to trade up and offer a huge ransom that gets me that future
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first I actually think I'm more inclined to trade down if someone wants Hunter than I am Carter if that makes sense
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that's you personally you don't think do that yeah and I brought up the same point so it's like again people don't
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think of the logistics of just the meeting rooms right he can't be in both rooms at the same time and that does
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matter you can't This is not a video game you can't just you know play both sides of the ball and not be prepared
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and he's he's pretty raw from what what I've read as a wide receiver on both sides yeah so I mean he he needs to grow
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so it's it's a really good that was a really good question John i thought that you know that's something to think about
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so do you have you heard personally from I know you're probably
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getting more contacts i mean I'm trying to still figure out what Cleveland's doing do do you think Cleveland I'm not trying to put you on a spot here but do
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you think Cleveland is sticking and picking because there are some people that think that they're shopping that pick i I think they're staking and
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picking a Travis Honer what they're doing with their 33rd pick is what is
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really interesting to me i think they're in a very if not identical position at
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quarterback as the Giants right and everyone's like you know I I see it on BBI i see it on Twitter hey draft Abdul
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Carter get Jaylen Milroe all right draft had dual Carter trade up for Jackson Dart browns are trying to do the same
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thing exact same thing and right now I mean I'll give you guys a little spoiler my seven round mach Jaylen Noro is going
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to Cleveland at 33 no and I don't do trades i don't want to deal with trades in a mock draft just I spend way too
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much time thinking about it but that that is that's where I see the Browns going and they're in this it's like the
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same exact discussion is you're not going to be rushed you can put him as an active 50 uh active on game day with
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Cleveland with Joe Flacco and Kenny Picket playing quarterback and just say "Hey he's he's in our backfield he's our
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he's our Taesm Hill he he's a he's an offensive weapon all season and then
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we'll see where we're at at this time next year." It makes more sense for them in my opinion than it does for the
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Giants because of the division they play in and what Cleveland has struggled with on offense and I I I believe that Jaylen
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Monroe is very much in the scope for the Browns at 33 or via tradeup
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but I don't think I don't think they're shopping too and that's the problem for the Giants because as you mentioned
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they're they pick back to back and so they're in the identical position they have the same similar draft capital i
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think Cleveland actually has more lower picks but they basically so they so it's almost the Giants have to try to
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anticipate what Cleveland might do and vice versa and is there going to be sort of a bidding war and if you're a team
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picking ahead of them late late in the first round you're gonna play them off each other so yeah and and this is where
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the conversation goes to the next level and we've talked about this a few times not only are you using that asset on
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that position but you're now going to give up more assets that are premium that you need to build the rest of the
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roster and now is it is the lottery ticket worth that price um you know it
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it's a fascinating situation it I mean this circles me back to the end of the year where you didn't know if they were
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going to get fired or not Shane and Dable but specifically more Dable right and then I'm I'm driving today i played
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my first round of golf today and the entire time I'm just thinking like got a little sunburn now that I'm just looking at myself the um it it it was the entire
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time I'm thinking how much does drafting a quarterback help Brian Dable's cause
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to and you know why I was thinking about this i was listening to you guys with uh with Jordan Renan mhm and this kind of
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came up it's like self-preservation mode it's a natural human trait the guy is thinking about his job he's not only
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thinking about winning games and right if they win seven games this year with Russell Wilson better quarterback and
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have a quarterback in the scope that they're trying to develop it's a no-brainer he's coming back next year he
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might even get a new contract we improved and we have a young quarterback so does that impede this team's ability
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to use this draft to build up the rest of the roster that's where I start to get a little you know quote concerned
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right and I wouldn't get personally get involved in a bidding war for Mill i I would I I would take it I'm I'm I'm with
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you i He's the one quarterback in this draft besides Ward that I would probably
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take a shot at there but I'm not bidding against Cleveland for him and losing
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more picks down down the road because I think there is this there is this thought process i've seen it on BBI and
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I'm hoping the Giants don't fall victim that this that this draft will be a failure if they don't get a quarterback
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i don't believe that i think they've insulated themselves a little bit with their free agent acquisitions at quarterback and I get it these Russell
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Wilson and and Winston are not the long-term answer but I I don't want to blow a draft on on like you said a
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lottery ticket here and and that's my What would you But what would you say right so we say the process right that's
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what the Giants keep saying we're going to trust the process what we've determined from last year was the process was uh Williams Daniels and May
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were because of their position and how good they were were up here but once you got past those guys then they then there
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was the board and the board said Neighbors was their guy way up here that might have been somewhat forced based on
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a position of need but we'll leave it that that's what they did and they passed on McCarthy they passed on Pennix
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they passed on Knicks they went with Neighbors what if right now Hunter Carter at the top right absolute top
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ward was no was one of the number ones but in reality the Giants kind of knew they weren't going there the next guy
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number one quarterback wise to them what if it is Milroe what if as far as they're concerned Milro is better than
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Sanders he's better than Dart he's the guy we really want does that change your perspective on wanting to go get the guy
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if they have a conviction that's the guy we wanted yeah I I'm a believer that if Brian Dable especially him has a
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conviction of the quarterback and they're afraid you're not going to get him if you stay put at 34 I support that
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approach you know and this is always you know these conversations always goes "What would you do verse what do you think they'll do?" You know like right
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if he has conviction of Jaylen Moro I say you give him you let him go get him
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you let him go trade up i wonder what do you guys think about the fact that the Giants have two/3s one of them is at the
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end I know but does that make that pick just a little easier to trade away at least one of those thirds you know does
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it make it easier to trade away in a very deep draft that is loaded with just
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second third fourth rounders that list just goes on forever right is it easier for me to give that up if my head coach
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has conviction that he can develop a really talented Jaylen Row and in some
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cases a Jackson Dart my my answer to that question is if you believe in the
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quarterback then no price is too much yep i believe that but you better be you
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better be right because I think the Giants can address and I I I know you do because I've listened to a lot of your
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your your podcast i think the Giants can get well in a lot of places in this draft and so when you you're trading up
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you're giving up 34 so that's a natural spot to take an offense or defensive lineman there so that's off the board
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but then you you got to give up one of those other third round picks which is another natural spot for an offensive
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defensive line and when you run the mocks after that it really changes the rest of your draft you can still get
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guys but they're not as good so you're it's not you're not that you're reaching but it's just not the same quality and
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then you're not getting as many many people there's a big difference it doesn't sound like there's a big difference but there's a big difference
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between having a six player draft and an eight player draft when two of those picks are seventh rounders so that's my
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you so so I to answer your question a long-winded way yes I do it but you better be right because the rest of your
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draft might not be so so strong when you get when you trade up like this right
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and like you said that the mock draft simulators this is why it is a good lesson for everyone to take on not only
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do you miss out on some players that get drafted between your slots you just lose
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so much control right you know you only have so much control draft weekend and
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when you give up a pick and have now have 60 picks come off the board before
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rather than 30 you're doubling that that instability that lack of control and I
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do believe the Giants have fallen short in manipulating draft weekend with a lot of
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trades day three day two move up four spots move down nine spots trade a
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future five get a uh two years from now get a six the best teams that they're making trade I mean there's teams that
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make eight trades over the draft and it's not just for the player that they trade it up for you know they have they
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just have this like chess over checkers approach to the draft weekend where it's almost like a you know a beautiful mind
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where these numbers are just popping up on the wall and they know that they can trade these two get that the Rams do
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this at a high level the the Eagles the Ravens uh the Texans have started to do it
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where it you don't have to think about this in such a simple manner it can't it
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doesn't have to be oh we gave up 34 and 65 to move up for the quarterback why
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can't it be we gave up 34 and 65 but we also traded down at 99 and 103 and got
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these four picks and another third next year right that that's it's a deeper process than what some general managers
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are able or capable or even willing to do yeah I'm glad you brought that up because when I run the simulations the
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two natural spots to trade down are 34 and and the top of the third round in
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the top of and that 99 which is a is the um um sorry the last um third round pick
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um and you the Cleveland spot in the top of the
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second round is always a hot spot for teams looking to trade up and accumulate picks but I think the second spot is too
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so one of my worries again is when you do do the quarterback you also miss miss out on the opportunity to say trade down
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from 34 to 38 or 30 or 39 pick up another fourthrounder now I I tweeted
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out a a few days ago I thought I was being smart i said "Boy the heart of this draft is rounds two through four i
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would love to have more picks." And then then then about an hour or two later I saw you tweet out the re mans four
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through six you can really get a lot of good players in this draft so I don't want to lose those those later round
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picks that's my issue here yeah i mean two and three I would even say it's like
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two different tiers it's just that whole area of the draft and everyone is saying it now that after the first round
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there's just not that big of a drop off after the third round there's just not that big of a drop off and there's a lot
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of credible reasons why it's not just picking numbers out of thin air and just making up a statement the co co is still
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impacting the NFL draft and what what I think it is going to be a really
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interesting potential tradeown spot again think outside the box is at 105
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mhm the top of the start of day three where these teams they go home for the
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night they meet after the third round they look at the board they they just have more time to make conversation make
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some phone calls call up Joe Shane hey there's six guys we really like what are you willing to give us if we move up to
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105 and the Giants can move down to 115 to 125 and just start setting yourself
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up not necessarily for more picks this year unless you had to give up some to go get your quarterback or whatever you
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want to do but start setting yourself up for next year and I I I think Giant fans
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get frustrated with me in terms of I am trying to kick the can down the road but one of these years you have to do
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something like this and I know it didn't work out with the Justin Fields trade up and Giants ending up with Cadar i know
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it didn't work out at that point but that that is that is where I think the progress sustained progress of this
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franchise will be is you get your quarterback probably next year but you also start manipulating the draft at the
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start of round three round four to keep setting yourself up for the future and
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it it's easy to say because it's all theory it's all fake it's all make pretend you have to find uh a partner to
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dance with but I want to think deeper with drafts than just hey will I give up my second and third for to Pit so I can
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get ahead of Pittsburgh and draft Jackson Bart you know right well the other thing with the the concept of
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where people get upset right like oh you're good so I'll use Eric eric gets upset about possibly losing the guys at
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34 offensive or defensive line the problem is we are all we not you because
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you have your own stuff we are all relying on you and others to kind of
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tell us who's in that range the problem is we don't know who the Giants have because you could go back and look and
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you look at things like when when uh we got Josh Audu that there were other players that are
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more wellknown than that range but the Giants went and took Isudu at that point there's guys that I heard today we did a
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mock draft eric and I did our own mock draft and I and I Eric admittedly thought I took him a little bit later
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than what he probably would go but we would both jump on him around that range and that was Aronte uh Ursery i heard
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today there's rumors that he'll he could possibly go at the bottom of round one yep so when you start thinking about
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guys that you're not you're projecting second third whatever they might go higher some might drop lower we're going
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by names because that's what we think in that area i think Jaylen Milro to bring it full circle the reason I keep trying
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to to keep why I keep trying to sell it you nailed it on on the head side is that he gives you a floor of it's not
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like I'm getting a quarterback and if he can't be the quarterback I got nothing this Tyler Tyler Shuck for example right
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this dude can come in he can provide stuff even in his rookie year when I'm not I don't want him to even throw the
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ball yeah we can play with him and Dal likes that running quarterback piece
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which you're not going to have with Russell Wilson he's older he's smaller he moves around but he's not running
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Daniel Jones runs we're not going to do any of that stuff but you could bring in Milro to run some of those things if you
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wanted to and the threat that he might throw deep still is going to keep you honest you can't just commit to stopping
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him to run the ball this guy has a floor his ceiling is through the roof if you can hit it but his floor is higher
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because at the very least I got a serviceable guy that I could use and like you said if I realize halfway
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through or at the end of this year like damn this dude is not going to be able to hit the broad side of the barn between 10 to 15 yards we're never going
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to have him as a starting quarterback i know I'm going to go draft a guy later but I still got my my third string guy
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or second string guy my Jeff Hostettler until he had to play in in 90 i got that kind of guy that will get me something
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else and that's why I'm okay if the Giants are committed i say jump back up and get him because we've wasted too
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many times of just kind of we're we're not gonna we're not gonna make that attempt right they took the Daniel Jones
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that wasn't an attempt we we waited at a spot and we overdrafted him we didn't move up to get him we overdrafted him
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and then we we assumed everybody else was going to jump on him they didn't nobody else really probably had him the
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way that we did yep this is different you've targeted a guy you've got something specific in mind and I'm okay
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if you take that swing and go for it yeah definitely okay with the swing the problem is I think there's going to be multiple teams thinking that to be
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honest with you right i I I think there's going to be some serious competition for him do you big picture
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again this first round any other teams kind of stand out to you that are looking to possibly jump up i did hear
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Denver Jacksonville top possibility uh jumping up all the way with with Jacksonville which would include a
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firstrounder next year some additional picks and wide receiver Courtland Sutton was was the the mention there there's
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been some talk of Dallas possibly and San Francisco possibly wanting to move up anything that you're hearing
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so the number one the most reliable thing that I've heard is that Green Bay is looking to move up and
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ironically a team that has not drafted a wide receiver in the first round since
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2002 they're targeting a wide receiver and they're willing to move up a lot and I I do think I've been mocking a wide
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receiver to them since January that they they keep on trying to play the day two game the problem is the these day two
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receivers they're all flawed and they're they're really hurting this Packers offense i mean I think they led the NFL
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in drops last year christian Watson gets hurt every some every time someone touches him every time he falls hard on
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the ground and I think those guys are great accessory pieces but they need someone to stabilize that room if you're
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gonna get the most out of Jordan Love so that's a team that I heard that was going to move up um I know that
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Pittsburgh is nervous about teams jumping ahead of them so they're in the tradeup talks um Carolina is the team
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that I heard is trying to move up high in this draft and I don't know if the
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Giants are have an offer from them all I know is that the Giants have an offer from someone that is very attractive and
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I went through the top 10 because I don't think the Giants are going i mean San Francisco maybe but I don't know
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what they'd be coming up for i mean they need they need a lot of help and I think it'd be foolish of them to jump up that
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high but Carolina is having an internal debate between Jaylen Walker and Shamar
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Stewart and Muel Williams you know very different kinds of players but defensive front kind of guys that tells me that if
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they can get their hands on Abdul Carter they'll move up and that changes the
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Giants plans let's say they move up that down to eight they get the 2026 first from a team that might not be good next year also get another day two pick what
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do the Giants do at eight nine seven like if they end up in in one of those ranges because that that changes
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everything and we know they have a relationship the two GMs yep right they do yeah they've already wheeled and
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dealed last year with with Burns yeah and you you had emailed me earlier in the week that you you thought that you
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know Giants are going to have an offer and and Shane has confirmed that since that they seems to have been calling
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them so y that that's interesting and it's not I just wish I wish I knew what the offer was like I wish like a strong
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offer what does that mean and and who and who is it i mean the Saints are being kind of weird right now um the
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ners are playing very weird games with all these guys that are up for new deals
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including their quarterback yeah pretty yeah yeah yeah and they they look at quarterbacks different that organization
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looks at quarterbacks different remember who they traded up for years ago trey Lance and they've had
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quarterbacks Brock Pury being one of them but even beyond him Nick Mullins
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has done well in that system yeah they they Shanahan I don't know if I would want to call him a QB whisperer i mean
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maybe he does deserve that label because of what he's done with Brock Pury but there's also a lot of people that also
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think Brock Purie is still not that good it's all Shanahan and if there is a quarterback in this draft that does fit
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into what Shanahan does in terms of ball placement accuracy mechanics plays the game the
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right way he's smart as Shadur Sanders right you know like and people are
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telling everyone is saying I don't know if it's I I this time this especially this week I don't know if it's all like
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click on my stuff click on my stuff all these but there are people saying it's going to be a wild top 10 and that would
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be wild to me that would be San Francisco moving up or Carolina moving up and and getting a Shader Sanders or
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an Abdul Carter that would be funny because I just saw a few days ago that somebody made the prediction on one of the networks saying oh it's going to be
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very quiet top 10 nothing's going to happen but in the last couple is exactly what you're saying we're hearing all
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these crazy rumor I heard today Chicago's trying to trade up and and so it's so well a guy I work with um the
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assistant GM he he's he does a lot of Chicago radio and he's got so many contacts in the league and he he doesn't
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even tell me stuff he doesn't trust me but he he he he's like he just gives me
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those like Chicago like they would move up like just like does that Chicago would move up and he does that publicly as well so I don't mind saying it but
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they're they're going for it and they're they're doing everything they can to give Caleb Williams like his window i
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mean I don't think I've seen an organization try to support their quarterback as much as them and are they doing it correctly i don't know but the
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one thing they don't have is they don't have that superstar running back and that that could take a lot of pressure so Gent that's the rumor that's going
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around today is that they're trying to get up to get Genty that's I wouldn't be surprised and I think Jacksonville is the natural spot for them to trade
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ugm yep so I So you've obviously recognized that you caught you're caught
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in between a domestic dispute between John and I about Milro so I apologize for that in a not against dra drafting
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him i just I'm not trading up for him i'm I'm not giving up that pick and I and I also apologize I misspoke earlier
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when I said 99 i meant 65 but you made an excellent excellent point that the
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where the draft breaks for the day the following day when everybody has a chance to think about their board so 10
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104 makes great sense for the Giants to trade down um obviously 34 is a great
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place for people to reset their boards and look and look and I also thought 65 i didn't mean 99 i meant 65 because I
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I've noticed that I if you trade down from 34 you can get you usually get
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another fourth round rounder if you trade down from 65 you can usually get another fifth rounder and in this draft I think that matters but let's let's
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assume the Giants either miss out on the quarterback because they went earlier
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the Giants couldn't trade up and they and they're sitting there at 34 let's assume that they don't trade down and
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everybody is I think in the BBI Giants community but I also seen this on X
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there a lot of people are looking at the same positions the same you know offensive line defensive line it seems
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to be a It seems to also fit with what might be out there donovan Jackson might be there tyler Williams might be there
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we may even get lucky i don't think this is going to happen because it sounds like he's moving up boards but I've seen
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Grant people maybe Grant might be there i saw one mock for instance that Grant was there um there might be another
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offensive lineman that might be there is there any position besides those two if
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somebody falls at that spot you would go hm you know what I'm going to wait on
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the lines I've made the case for I bua if somehow he's he gets to them that he would be a good compliment to neighbors
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but is there a wide receiver a tight end any other position even even on defense that you would go hm you know what I
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can't pass on that yeah I mean every time I do these position previews for the Giants like I do like you know the
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summary from my report and then I write a little italics just like Giants BBI type and I I feel like I've said the
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following words like five or six times like hey if this guy ends up being there like it's just hard to they're just hard
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to pass on because I am a believer and just keep drafting the best players you can all right and I've even softened a
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little bit to pick the best players available at a position where you have a
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spot right um example there's a few safeties I like what Can I draft a
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safety in the second round probably not you're three deep there you have two starters you just drafted one you just
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signed one belton's a solid backup he'll probably be gone next year but second round's a little rich there so I would
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say you you probably shouldn't take a second round safety in this draft uh but tight end I mean there's a couple guys I
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really like in this draft that are might be there in the second round and Terrence Ferguson he's like one of my
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guys draft i have him and Coloulston Lovelin graded essentially the same right and Coulson Lovelin is being
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talked about as a potential top 15 pick to the Indianapolis Colts yep and I I think Ferguson is right there with him
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and I got encouraged when I listened to Daniel Jeremiah a couple days ago saying that when he went to scout Loveland at
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Michigan it was against Oregon he walked the other side of the field and and like Ferguson he was like "This guy might be
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better than him." And I that's what I see on tape as well he would be a hard guy for me to pass on at too especially
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consider and I'm a guy that likes Theo Johnson i I still do i believe in his upside but he's still a project he's raw
37:49
you could still see it on tape last year but he's freaky like he does literally have Gronowski type ability so and I I I
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think the coaches they both especially love him as well so but that's that's a guy that I would have a hard time
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passing on that's an out of the box position um another one is wide receiver
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you know I'm all about this team adding playmakers right you know it they don't have enough right now and I do think
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Giants fans sometimes look at Darius Sllayton Malik Neighbors Juan Dale Robinson Jaylen Hyatt and say "Hey we
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have a good young players." Well if you go look at and spend time looking at every depth chart around the league the
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Giants are way below average in terms of just how many playmakers do you have so if an Acha Ibuka drops to them and and
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and you like him enough you go for it um if you go Hold on yep okay i just put
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you on guys in full screen mode um the slot receiver next year I don't think
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Juan Dale Robinson has earned a long-term contract and it's not because I don't like him but I'd rather not pay
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him what he would get on the open market so Jaylen Null from Iowa State I have a
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first round grade on it's a late first round grade on him but if he's there at the top of the second round I think that dude's a special player and it's just an
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an easy exit insert doesn't have to play right away he adds the return game and
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then the running back conversation keeps coming up as well um there's going to be a running back
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there that's it's hard to say no to i I probably will still say no to him you know go for the trenches get a guard get
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a dtackle but there are running backs are going to be there in the second round guarantee there's going to be at least one running back there in the
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second round that you are would fantasize about and you know I I do I
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I'm fearful that this regime that just drafted a Tyrone Tracy that just drafted
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a Malik Neighbors and signed um uh Darius Sllayton and drafted Juan Dale Robinson that they're in their heads not
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even going to look in that direction and I I'm a little concerned that that might be the case at 34 well the only thing
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I'll I'll and I agree with you and the thing is is that people have noticed they've brought back 10 of 11 starters
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on an offense that only scored 16 points a game so as Jordan was talking about but we've talked about before they seem
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to be blaming every blaming the quarterback for all of that which is probably not wise but um I I agree with
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you so I think they got to look at you know these other positions and then if you do get another tight end you're not
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replacing Theo Johnson no in 12 personnel you're making your you're
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making your offense very interesting at that point if you have two tight ends like that so I think people need to
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think about like you just said think about weapons too on offense that make
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not just quarterback how are we going to score more points variety and depth guys
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people get hurt every year and I know like but some of these guys like it's just inevitable someone big is going to
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get hurt and the best teams have plan B plan C plan D right now I don't even know if the Giants have a plan B for for
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any of these spots on on offense so I go into the draft saying you got to find those guys right now well and one
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follow-up question John I'm sorry so 34 the obvious where everyone's thinking is
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offensive defensive line yep um are you thinking about the same names
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everyone keeps coming up with the Donovan Jacksons the Tyreek Williams or are there other people that you're
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you're looking at there are there players that people aren't thinking about like I'll give you an example um
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for some reason all these simulators think Alfred Collins is going to go will be there at the top of the third round i
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he's the kind of guy that I could see go higher than that given his length and his size um and his potential maybe I'm
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I don't know how what you feel about Alfred Collins but there are there players there that we're not talking about that or that you might think on
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the offense and defense again we don't know who's going to fall but maybe players that people should also be thinking about just along the along the
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lines yeah just along the lines either either lines just at 34 i mean I see because to me and John when we were
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looking at it it seems like the same it's it there seems like it pretty obvious who the the guys that should or
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could be there and who the Giants again it's it's the Donovan Jacksons it's the if Booker some is there it's um somehow
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um if if if uh Grant falls there um if Tyreek Williams obviously is there it
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seems like the same play norman Lot was my guy yeah I saw that yep yeah is there somebody there on the lines that we're
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not thinking about or fans aren't thinking about or not giving enough respect to that might be there or is
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that pretty much the the the names that you're looking at if that makes sense it's it's pretty much his name the one
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name I don't see anyone ever talk about that I don't think will be there in the third so therefore he's it's not a reach
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to take him in round two is Azie Trapillo from Boston College um swing
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tackle tackle only so I don't know if that actually hurts or helps his cause but if you're really making a full-time
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move of Evan Neil inside the Giants are now thin at tackle james Hudson h you know like I I'd like to get someone in
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the building via the draft to fill that swing tackle role and the Giants were
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all over him at the Senior Bowl you know I know Chris has that connection to Boston College so maybe that was why
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another name that I saw him just watching very closely was uh Savania from Arizona i don't think he's going to
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be there in the round in the third round either i think he's going to be somewhere in the maybe the back half of the second round if I had to predict so
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to me he'd be worth taking at that point um is he I don't want to go there is he
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a swing guy or would you project him more to be a guard versus a tackle guard
43:34
you know his game is very similar to Illuminar you know Luminar might be a little bit of a better athlete but I
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would want Savania as a guard but I would consider crossraining him in time
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not for 2025 though like it's very rare for a guy that's going to move from tackle to guard but you say "Hey just in
43:52
case we might move you outside." It's just it's a lot it's a lot for these guys to learn uh but in a pinch I mean
43:58
you could do that over signing you know Chris Huard and Justin Pew to play left tackle i mean that you know you'd rather
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have that in the building but I I like Savania i just think he's he's not
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athletic enough to play the outside i just don't trust that you you can hide some of his issues inside and he's he
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tested very well that surprised me he was one of the surprises of the of the combine and proday circuit for me cuz he
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athletically tested at a very high level um I'd like to get a guy that has some
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tackle guard flex but I also believe that a lack of swing tackle on this
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organization has hurt in big ways in recent years i mean it's destroyed the Giants so Trapillo could be a surprise
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name well I had him going at the top of the third so that doesn't look like that's gonna happen it'll be He'll be It
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wouldn't shock me Eric i I think some of these guys are gonna fall like that's why whenever you do these mocks you
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don't know you don't need to know who specifically is going to drop but what I do think does help to know is what
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positions are going to have guys that drop right and there I'm telling you there's going to be an interior
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offensive lineman and there's going to be a defensive tackle there that you like it will happen i just don't know
45:09
which one's going to be there well that was my next that was a perfect segue to my next question is so and I saw this
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and I this has just been was tweeted out by somebody in the in the draft community he felt that the offense or he
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had heard that the offensive lineman will go earlier than a lot of people think in this draft yeah at least the
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tackle types because of there aren't a lot of them y and so the question is is
45:34
do you does that affect if you were running things does that affect what you do at 34 knowing that the defensive
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tackle class is deeper and so you try to get your offensive lineman earlier knowing that the you can get your
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defensive tackle or do you say you know what my defensive tackle is so good there at 34 and I don't want to pass him
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off yeah I I would go if if I had guys created
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somewhat equally or even somewhat even a DTackle slightly above the the offensive lineman I'm going the line offensive
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line right um I thought you'd say for two reasons the deta the defensive line group is it's deeper so you can play
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that game a little bit but I also think in terms of roster construction and
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scheming it's easier to hide an issue at defensive tackle which I don't want i
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don't want an issue there but it's easier to hide that than it is on the offensive line you know defensive line
46:31
is naturally a rotational position look at the players are available in June and July like oh there's some good players
46:37
there along the defensive line i I would be more confident you can scheme around that than having a gaping hole at right
46:45
guard and with where the Giants are with their current personnel at right guard and their options you know hopefully one
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of these guys sticks i mean I think it's a three-man race between Van Roen Neil and Ezu um you can correct me if I'm
46:58
wrong but I don't feel good about any one of those i I just don't and and that can that can really hurt the offense in
47:05
a big way especially if you're trying to get the ball down the field more often now with a quarterback that can actually
47:10
throw the ball down field so you know the only guy that keeps popping up in my
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head and I think Eric I think you like him but I am also a little concerned it's It's Derek Harmon from Oregon
47:23
there is a medical on him i don't know what it is though i just know that there's a medical on him that said it might make him drop so if he is there at
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34 it's like you know and this is where we have to kind of check ourselves and say "Hey I don't have all the information that's necessary to have the
47:38
100% credible opinion on it." But what is the injury how big of a deal is it at
47:44
that point i don't there are maybe five guys eight guys that I would take over
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Derek Arman i mean he's really high up on my board right if he's there at 34 on
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a team that needs another defensive tackle I I'm taking him but the risk is
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is there a medical that is really that bad and that that's that concerns me a little bit so So the question is you
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take I would take a Derek Harmon over a Donovan Jackson probably right and and when when when I run my mocks and he's
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if he's ever there I immediately take him yeah it's tough that's I go back and forth on those two it's a coin flip with
48:19
those two i mean Derek Harmon and Donovan Jackson it's it would be a really tough call right now I'm still
48:25
kind of like talking myself in and out of that okay so let's um because we're you know we're we're trying to keep some
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time in in line um let's kind of do a little a little game of uh kind of what we were doing with Jordan but not not
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about you know fans and what they say about you we're not going to go that route we want to throw out some things
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or not we're going to throw out some things draftwise different players uh team
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stuff whatever uh it will kind of take turns going back and forth just to get your opinion so I'm I'm going to start
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before I do that I just want to say uh if you haven't seen Steve Mcichael did pass away um he he did they had they he had moved
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him to hospice but he he passed away uh roughly about an hour ago um so rest in peace to great great defensive player
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and was a big-time pro wrestler after the fact too i mean he he had the guy had two major careers um that being said
49:14
uh we were going to throw some things out here so I want to start first real quick what are your thoughts on the
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statement that uh Todd McShet threw out there that said the Giants will not
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draft Shadur Sanders not just at three that he's not their guy he's not the guy
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that they would draft do after all that we've seen all year long the amount of time that they spend in Colorado is that
49:37
smoke is there truth to that or is or do you believe there's like a divide within the scouting staff and the coaching
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staff maybe having different uh interests and they're not lining up yeah I mean I for a long time I said Giants
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should is a sure thing and um because I kind of bought into the idea that that
49:56
Dable wants the swagger he wants uh he wants to have some personality some confidence back there after watching a
50:03
deer in the headlights in Daniel Jones but I've always at the same time I've always said he's not a first round
50:08
quarterback he's just not he he never has been and it's kind to me you know
50:14
not that I'm not like I have I've had some misses at quarterback and and I'm trying to work on that and change my
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process i've changed it a lot since I've gotten all the access to the tape and basically it just comes down to you got
50:25
to watch more and you got to watch more from different angles and I've never saw with him i just I don't think how I
50:31
can't fathom anyone saying he's definitely a first round quarterback so I could see them saying he's out they're
50:38
out for the reason that he's just he's not physically that talented and if you look at some of the quarterbacks that
50:44
Brian Dable has had success with there's a lot of physical talent there and Shadur's biggest weakness is that there
50:51
isn't anything about him that is standout talent he's a good throw of the
50:58
football he's got the name on his jersey he's tough he can drop the ball in a bucket from a far from from a far
51:04
distance away but his arm is average his athletism is below average his body is a
51:10
uh below average in terms of size metrics that it would not surprise me at all to say that they're they're out on
51:16
him after but they have put so much attention in onto him dating back to last year um so I I the Giants are very
51:25
good at keeping their cards close to their chest i don't think McShane knows
51:31
i think it's it's interesting i'll say I've said this about Sanders before if you swapped out his name plate and you
51:38
didn't know who his dad was Yep he plays for Colorado your big interest is going that guy was pretty good playing with
51:44
the guy who won the Heisman Trophy right we've seen quarterbacks put up ma massive stats at at Georgia uh we've
51:50
seen them even with Alabama where they're surrounded by other talents and they weren't considered top tier
51:56
quarterbacks you looked at all the talent colorado didn't play anybody he
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he h he's not a bad quarterback but I don't see a huge difference between him and Drew Lockach i coming out of college
52:07
i mean there there's there's some similarities the difference is his name is Sanders and his dad brings a lot and then he brings a lot so I it's it's it's
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a tough one i just don't think I agree with you the Giants have spent a lot of time on him though i mean they were
52:21
they've gone to Colorado so much that somebody in that organization is really interested everybody went too it wasn't
52:29
just the whole whole clan went and multiple times and I don't know i I
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think I I think there's real interest there i I still think that the Giants are very interested in him
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um and I think it'd be less crazy or less unpredictable for them to pick them
52:47
in the first round high than it was Daniel Jones in 2019 one one weird one weird followup I know
52:53
and I know you can't make a statement to this like yeah I know this to be true but I'm just going to throw this out
52:59
there is the likelihood that if he fell into later in the first round more that
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the Giants would trade up to get him if it was Hunter that fell to three and the Giants took Hunter and then traded back
53:12
in to get Sanders and match the two back up again to make it Boulder of the East you know there you go there you go i
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mean the social media accounts would like that i mean that that's for sure that would be the biggest winner i don't
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think that would make any difference i think the Giants that that's a fantasy to me like that i think the Giants would
53:30
be above that like I don't think they would draft Hunter like I don't and pursue the and actually pursue Sanders
53:37
because they have Hunter right right right um I've thought that other teams
53:42
would do like you know re reigniting um Joe Burrow with Jamar Chase like that that made sense to me because for a lot
53:49
of different reasons but that one it wouldn't make sense to me and hey like I don't even know what side of the ball Hunter's playing on so what what if he
53:56
plays corner i mean hopefully Sugar Sanders wouldn't be throwing the ball to Travis Hunter that often if he's playing corner but um Well unless we play
54:02
Cleveland yeah no I hear you i'm curious because it's come up it's come up before and you
54:09
just wonder like we spent so much time there is there something that we thought we could pull but anyway I just thought
54:15
it was kind of kind of cute to throw that out there there's so much to think about now i mean that's that's like can the draft get here already but this is I
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every every time this this time of year comes around I'm always like man like I wish I had more time to do more work on
54:28
other guys there's always these possibilities and I think that's part of what makes the draft so intriguing is
54:34
that the the options are limitless it's infinite in terms of what can happen and every time you have a new thought in
54:39
your head it changes everything right um Sai you write all these wonderful
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reports for years on previewing the positions thank Thank you thank you thank you they're one of the things that
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everybody loves and you stack your players i read all of these things i've
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always been under the impression and you can tell me if I'm wrong that when you you stack them according to you what you
55:02
think but also in terms of kind of the conventional wisdom of where these
55:08
players are supposed to go but I also got the impression reading over the years that you have your personal favorites that even if somebody's like
55:15
number five or six on your list you kind of are rooting for him to be on your team even though he's you know he's the
55:21
fifth or sixth guy and not the top guy it's Yep i I'm going to throw out a some names
55:27
i'm just curious to see your thoughts on this so in one group grouping that might go in the same area okay alfred Collins
55:35
Darius Alexander Joshua Farmer are there any of those three there that you're like you know I'd really like to see
55:41
that guy more than the others um or you can throw in another name there on the defensive tackle side that that you
55:48
you're kind of rooting for if he was going to be drafted by the Giants yeah it it's interesting i mean I'm a human
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right i mean I can I have an algorithm and a grading system and it spits out a number and like every now and then like
55:58
I still kind of like that guy a little bit more you know like maybe I should change some of some of the inputs for his grade but you know those guys
56:05
they're very close closely graded between Collins Farmer Alexander i put Shamar Turner in there as well even
56:10
though he's a very different kind of defensive lineman those guys are big long physical but out of that group
56:18
I mean I like the security of Alfred Collins because I think at the very least he's a very solid player and Aan
56:24
Robinson type you know he's not going to be a star but he's going to help Dexter Lawrence get to his ceiling he's going to make other players better but Joshua
56:31
Farmer has the most upside of that group and if you want to pursue upside I think that guy's got it he's just doesn't
56:36
really know what he's doing they had two D tackles at Florida State the other one almost came out he made a decision to
56:41
return Daryl Alex um Alexander no not Alexander Jackson daryl Jackson both
56:47
just like mammothsized dudes really long really fast really physical but you
56:52
could tell he doesn't know what to do with his hands yet and is it bad coaching is it him is he just inexperienced and in this defense I
56:58
would like to I would like to take a chance on someone and if you want to take a safety net pick Yaya Black on day three and double up go for it but I want
57:05
I would like to see them take a chance at D tackles so Josh Farmer would be my guy there yeah because because some
57:10
people are all over the place with him with I mean some people have him go higher when I say higher I mean by like
57:16
around higher or lower and so I'm I'm I'm really curious where some of these guys go and and because of the depth
57:23
does somebody fall to that 65 spot that maybe might not normally fall in a
57:28
regular draft the other name on the opposite side of the ball that I don't see a lot of people talking about and
57:34
maybe maybe I'm overrating I don't know is Anthony Beltton the tackle do you
57:40
like I mean I know you've got him on your your list and he seems fairly high up on your list but is he a guy that
57:46
would be on your radar with the Giants or do you think there's just too many question marks
57:51
there's a question of whether or not he should be a tackler or guard right and he he's been on the radar for a couple
57:57
years now he was the guy that stepped in for Auanu and they was like "Hey he's next he's the next one and he's bigger
58:03
he's got more traditional tackle body but he is heavy-footed he gets over his toes." And the lack of body control in
58:10
space is an issue but he was probably the second or third most
58:15
dominant and consistent lineman at the Senior Bowl and I was sitting with offensive line coaches in the stands
58:21
watching the one-on ones and they just be like "He looks excellent right now." Obviously he made he made he made it
58:27
look easy he he stayed very under control he didn't overextend himself
58:32
which is those are the issues that we saw in college he got penalized a lot it was always for that same exact reason is
58:38
that he just simply from a technique perspective was overextending he was leaning from the waist and he just
58:43
caught himself off balance and he got really grabby he wasn't doing that at the senior bowl it's different playing in one-on- ons and when and and game
58:51
situations where game situations sometimes Evan Neil for example you just don't have the eyes you don't have the
58:57
feel you just don't you can't anticipate and you're not athletic enough to react and that's kind of where Anthony Belton
59:03
sits but maybe it was a matter of coaching because he goes to the senior ball and he looks like a stud and when he when I mean he can stop anyone i mean
59:10
you run into him straight ahead you try to bull rush him he's not he's not moving an inch and that's why some people like him at guard so Anthony
59:15
Belton to me Jaylen Rivers same thing from Miami probably a little bit later on those are two guys that if they are
59:22
there he could be there in the fourth round Eric and I'm I'm signing that i would sign for that right now if you
59:27
said that's the offensive lineman they're going to get and they're doing something else with these other picks yeah and that's what I do in a lot of
59:33
these mocks when he's there and I appreciate with with the Rivers comment as well too um and then and and one
59:39
other uh for me and I I'm sure John has a couple yep inside linebacker i
59:44
originally didn't think that this was going to be a strong group based on what people were saying i don't think it's a
59:50
terribly strong group but I don't think it's as weak on paper as as I I thought it was going to be am I crazy in
59:57
thinking that um Stzman or Cody Simon might be a good fit for the Giants if
1:00:03
again in the fourth fifth round area that that might be a little low for Stzman he might not make it that far but
1:00:08
I I again you watch all the tape of all the games what I do is I read all these reports and then I try to find tape not
1:00:15
just the good stuff but the you but for to me I I just like the way Stzman plays and I thought he'd be a great fit
1:00:21
because one of the issues this defense has in run defense it's not just playing at the point of attack but it's tackling
1:00:28
we need to tackle better and I think that's one of the reasons why they got the safety out of Miami is they want to
1:00:34
get a better tackler at the safety position but I think they need to get better tackling at the linebacker spot as well yeah and and that to me Cody
1:00:41
Simon is that guy um local New Jersey kid went to high school right near Metife so just you know that's a fun
1:00:48
story but I watched so much Ohio State over the past two years especially this
1:00:53
year 16 games which how many games these guys are playing now but he he just
1:00:59
every week him and Ransom the safety they're just making solid football plays reliable you know what you're getting
1:01:05
play in play out drive in drive out and he's really physical and he's a better
1:01:10
athlete than you think i love Cody Simon in round four and I think that's a bigger need also that's why I don't want
1:01:16
to give up all these picks they're right they might not have either of these linebackers next year if Okiki does not
1:01:22
step up he's just be he's just going to be overpaid you got to let him go mcfaden isn't free agent next year he
1:01:27
hasn't been the healthiest and he's missed a lot of tackles and Cody Simon to me would be a nice guy to get into
1:01:32
this system get him in here right away let him be that third linebacker this year he could eventually maybe replace
1:01:38
McFaten this season because he is pro ready five-year career not one penalty think about that you know missed tackles
1:01:44
are few and far between with him um again coverage is a big part of playing linebacker now because quarterbacks are
1:01:51
so good at taking linebackers and putting them exactly where they want to put them with their eyes and you know
1:01:57
Simon is going to be a little bit of a liability there but so is McFaden i mean linebackers that can truly play the run
1:02:04
and defend the pass at a high level are very few and far between right and Stusman is in the same discussion with
1:02:10
me he made a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage though and they did let him freelance a little bit some of
1:02:17
that was scheme dependent it was kind of engineered for him but both guys are guys you want in your locker room
1:02:23
excellent day three values and someone that can add what I started the the
1:02:28
episode off tonight they make this defense more physical day one and that's a spot where I think I want the Giants
1:02:35
to find their way again i want good physical fast linebackers if if Carter's the pick at three and
1:02:42
you're trying to get your best 11 on the field can he play inside early downs and
1:02:47
then kick outside to rush to later if you wanted to have Burns Tibs and and Carter on the field at the same time
1:02:53
absolutely i I think that's part of the draw to him to be honest with you because I know that question comes up a lot is if you're drafting what are you
1:03:00
doing with Kavon like they could be on the field together and with the rotations trying to get these guys to 75% snaps like do some simple math in
1:03:07
your head you know you don't need you shouldn't have all three of them on the field at the same time you have to
1:03:13
rotate these guys in guys get hurt you want to have that depth but if they're all healthy and you're in the fourth
1:03:18
quarter you have a four-point lead and you're matched up against Jaden Daniels i think his best role in base defense in
1:03:28
that kind of situation against that kind of quarterback is offball linebacker because you can spy him you know he he
1:03:35
is one of the very few athletes that could actually go chase down a Jaden Daniels he can go take down Jaylen Herz
1:03:41
it actually might be his best role kind of what Michael Parsons was in Dallas for his first couple years a lot of edge
1:03:48
a lot of edge rushing but early on he could do a few different things and absolutely it's you know that's a
1:03:54
question also if you can ever get Shane Bowen to come on with you guys you could ask him
1:04:00
he used that he was using that role at Penn State too he spied a lot oh yeah oh yeah oh he was all over the place at at
1:04:06
Penn State i mean well if you go back if you I mean I'm taking it way back you go back to and
1:04:13
Eric you should know this 85 86 87 88 who did the Giants use to spy Randall
1:04:18
Cunningham they moved LT inside and LT would be the guy to chase him from either side to side he didn't always
1:04:25
rush him from the outside when Cunningham now when when Jorski was back there it was just a free run from the outside to go kill him but when
1:04:31
Cunningham was the quarterback LT would move inside on obvious passing downs he would spy and run from the middle and
1:04:37
take him and basically eliminated Cunningham's biggest strength when you would move LT there you can go back and look 87 88 there are there are major
1:04:44
highlights lt pulled a hamstring chasing cutting him and stocking him short of a of a first down and he plays again the
1:04:50
next week with a really bad hammy you can do that with a superstar athlete and get them on the field but you're right
1:04:55
though there's also the point that you're going to try not to have all three on the field that keeps them fresh but there will be times if we are going
1:05:02
to put the best 11 that guy brings you that that much more of the quarterbacks that we've talked about right um Ward's
1:05:09
going to go one there's a huge assumption i mean they say he's going one but we haven't you know they don't do contracts or anything now so Ward
1:05:16
goes one but any of the other quarterbacks in I don't really care which one which one of the quarterbacks
1:05:21
it just in your kind of projection doesn't matter what team they went they go to that you think might actually end
1:05:27
up being a lot better than people are giving credit for and which one might surprise people that you think is gonna struggle okay good question um I'm gonna
1:05:35
I'm gonna stick with my gut on on the guy that I think is going to outplay his draft position is Quinn Users from Texas
1:05:43
and he it just he makes the game look pretty back there with the way his footwork his release the the way he can
1:05:50
manipulate the football he can play on time he he he got the ball out faster
1:05:56
than everyone over the course of their career i think it was under two and a half seconds three straight years which is uh that's that's hard to do and he
1:06:02
played in a very pro style offense at Texas he does have experienced play action under center um he just he just
1:06:09
did not play well this year and I I can't always put a a finger on why i do think that his receivers were not as
1:06:15
good as many people said they were um I think his offensive line fell apart a little bit he is a little frail he's
1:06:21
missed multiple games every year of his career but when he's on I trust him and
1:06:27
he can make a lot of throws short to intermediate and that's where the NFL passing game is living right now so
1:06:32
that's the guy that I think is going to or could depending on where he goes i love him in a McVey Shanahan type
1:06:38
offense um I think he could excel the guy that I just I don't see it with is
1:06:44
Tyler Shuck from Louisville and I don't know if that's cheating because I have a fifth round grade on him but every time
1:06:50
I go to Twitter someone's like he might be a firstrounder like who is spending a firstrounder on a 26-year-old seven
1:06:57
years seventh year senior that had one okay season that has some of the biggest
1:07:02
brain farts on TV from the quarterback position of all these quarterbacks i
1:07:07
just don't understand i mean he's big he's got a good arm and he's got a Joe Flacco type you know snappiness to his
1:07:14
arm but when it looks good it looks great but watch everything else i just don't see it there we have a couple minutes left with you so I want to give
1:07:21
it quick speed round on here let's do it make a hard question here for you so
1:07:26
after f first two rounds who are your top three favorite running backs in this draft so after the first two rounds yeah
1:07:33
after the first So someone who might be there for the Giants in the bottom of
1:07:38
the round third round top of the fourth round that that's where you're like a sweet spot that you might be thinking
1:07:44
running back damen Martinez from Miami right big physical guy that moves laterally better
1:07:50
than you think rj Harvey just reminds me of Bucky Irving in a lot of ways who I had a really high grade on last year and
1:07:57
I'm going to go Montreal Johnson from Florida he's a day three guy all day like a fifth sixrounder but he he
1:08:04
basically marched Trevor Etn out of town who went to Georgia and tested really well i've liked him for two years now
1:08:11
and um I just I trust in the way he runs i think he's a good NFL back and where do you think Scataboo goes man i think
1:08:17
he's gonna be day three pick i I do i think he's gonna be a fourth rounder just because he does he just does not
1:08:23
fit the profile of what right NFL teams look for at running back and he's so violent to a fault i'm I'm very curious
1:08:29
to see what he does and then real quick um Terence Ferguson's out of the picture
1:08:35
um Auroro is out of the picture are are you tight ends to me there seems to be some interesting especially if you're
1:08:41
looking for receiving tight ends that might be there mid rounds too is there anyone there that's p that that catches
1:08:48
your eye that you might think would be a good fit for the Giants i loved Jake Brenings Brenings Su's tape I drafted
1:08:54
him okay yeah from from earlier early in the year i loved this tape it had some Dalton Concincaid flavor to it did not
1:09:00
end up there with his grade but he's a natural receiver gavin Bartholomew was
1:09:06
on fire as a true freshman when Kenny Picket was his quarterback and they never found a quarterback after he left
1:09:12
but he tested really well and his tape is impressive um those are two guys thomas Fedoni from Nebraska was the
1:09:19
number one tight end recruit in the country over Brock Bowers when they came out of high school suffered multiple ACL
1:09:24
injuries but looked really good at the Senior Bowl he's back he's a straight line athlete doesn't turn very well
1:09:30
probably because of the knee but he's big and fast and his hands are enormous and they they swallow the football so
1:09:36
that's a that's a late day three shot you could take okay all right so I'll do the last one because then we're going to we'll roll you out we'll we'll wrap the
1:09:42
whole thing up um Jared Wilson uh Seth Mclofflin and Jonah Mheim of USC if you
1:09:49
were going to get one of those guys to be a center or center guard which one of those three would be your choice if you
1:09:55
if any so I mean Wil Wilson is obviously
1:10:01
just he's man I honestly because of where you're gonna have to get him in the draft right
1:10:07
because Wilson's a day two guy you're going have to use a day two pick on him and I I I like him enough to take him day two but I think the value is
1:10:12
Mclofflin from Ohio State because you could probably get him fifth sixth round and he's smart enough he's played at
1:10:19
Alabama he's played at Ohio State he was playing excellent before the injury this year um you know I that's who I would go
1:10:26
for but you know what another center name I want you to keep an eye on late out of the box remember Willie Lamkin
1:10:31
from North Carolina damn it because I was going to ask you i I have said I said this on another show i see Willie
1:10:37
Lanin ended up in Baltimore and they move him to the the uh fullback the Ricard pos that dude can move enough yep
1:10:44
but yeah interesting that you say that but I did get Mclofflin was in my mock draft that's why I was really glad you jumped yeah I'd be happy where'd you get
1:10:51
him um I had him I believe was it uh 154 i think I got him at 154 i'd sign for
1:10:57
that tomorrow did Slater from from is it Sacramento did Sacramento State yeah did he one of the All-Star games he in the
1:11:04
practices he did well too didn't he he was He was one of my winners from the Senior Bowl yeah okay he didn't lose a
1:11:09
rep all week he played center he played guard he tested really well i love that kid i I'm actually I feel like I'm alone
1:11:15
on an island with him i think he's like a round three round four kid and it reminds me of Chris Knee i'm telling you
1:11:21
like that's when I started to get into evaluating talent was during Chris N's career and he reminds me of him in a lot
1:11:28
of different ways yeah so I agree with you i think there are interesting guards in this draft later on in this draft
1:11:35
that they might be able one last name oh yeah we got a good situation for those
1:11:41
guards to come in because like I feel like you're going to run with this threeman show at right guard between Neil Van Roen and u and Ezu and if they
1:11:50
all three strike out then at least you have someone in the scope that you could maybe play i know some people like Kubis
1:11:56
i didn't I wasn't wild about him right but it's kind of like a a Kubis plus type guy that and you what you could get
1:12:03
in these day three interior offensive linemen and just one last name too um I don't think you were high on him i don't
1:12:09
think you were when you wrote your report but I've seen other people put him up there um oh shoot i'm going to
1:12:15
think Joshua Gray um I don't think the guard I don't think you were real high on him um but any comments real quick on
1:12:22
him i mean he's he's very old for Pro i think he's going to be 24 25 okay very short arms he did play tackle he's got
1:12:29
excellent body control and he just doesn't move anybody and to me if you're gonna be if I'm gonna draft you I want
1:12:35
you to have I want to have a lot of tape where you're moving guys off the ball you're displacing them you're not just you're not just latching on and kind of
1:12:42
staying square and hoping for the best which is happens a lot a lot of these guys come out of college they're just not that strong i remember I learned
1:12:48
that in 2019 from an offensive line coach that's with the Jaguars now and he said he says like so many of these guys
1:12:54
come out of college and they're just not strong enough and that what Gray is to me he's just not he's going to get beat
1:13:00
up so really short arms as well okay so we'll we'll wrap we'll wrap up the whole show uh like subscribe all that good
1:13:06
stuff s tell everybody where they can follow you especially tomorrow night where can people pay attention on what you're doing yeah I'm on X I will be
1:13:14
tweeting out every pick just a little short analysis i'll try to not keep it cookie cutter i'll try to give you
1:13:19
something a little different about every player or every situation that they're being drafted into um I'll be on BBI um
1:13:25
I'll try to comment are you guys going live tomorrow we will be live yep I'll be live i'll try to definitely be on uh commenting in there oh that'd be awesome
1:13:33
that would be awesome and um on BBI I usually make a pick um some people love
1:13:38
it some people hate it too bad either way the I do a draft pick for uh the Giants every time they're on the clock
1:13:45
and I just like to compare it six seven eight 10 years down the road um it's a fun thing to do so I I put my pick in
1:13:50
the BBI chat before the Giants pick is made and I like to compare them at the end but I think next week Eric I'll have
1:13:56
the uh the draft analysis done for you hopefully by Sunday night or Monday morning you you run with it well you get
1:14:02
right on that yeah you guys I always put I always put you guys first with that i have some other things I have to do
1:14:08
Monday Tuesday Wednesday but the um I try to get that done as soon as possible send it over to you Sunday night you do
1:14:13
whatever you want with it and uh but I will I'll try to be as active as I can both in your chat and on BBI because I'm
1:14:19
here with the TV if you're in our chat that would be awesome um I'm going to ask you to do one minor thing here
1:14:25
public service announcement people respect your opinion on the draft way more than me and John can you please
1:14:33
tell people that when we get into the seventh round and if the Giants draft somebody that they've never heard of to
1:14:38
not lose their minds please can you Yes do not lose your mind anywhere on day three to be honest with you right right
1:14:45
but every year if the if if they get there and here here it is the the hour draft if if the seventh round if their
1:14:53
seventh round pick is not in prominently listed in this guide that does not mean
1:14:59
the player is necessary it's a fail yeah i I would say just uh just for the
1:15:04
sake of because I know this time of year we we can all try to come across as experts and and I I think um all of us
1:15:11
myself included and anyone reading and watching we don't know what's going to happen with any of these guys' careers
1:15:17
and I think this is uh you know take it for what it is you know you do the work we we we write we research we watch tape
1:15:24
but at the end of the day none of us really know what's going to happen so I think any really strong reactions in any
1:15:30
direction not never going to tell a grown adult what to do in that but you try try to keep the opportunity to have
1:15:38
some egg on your face away by oh my gosh I hate this pick and he ends up being an allp pro so um you know there's I have
1:15:47
more faith in this front office than I did in the previous and I I I believe in what their system is but they have yet
1:15:54
to really prove it so we will see what happens with them and uh but at no point
1:16:01
do I ever want to come across as as I know more than others i just know the time I put into it and I like sharing
1:16:06
the information and that's and that's it that's all it is perfect and if you're going to lose your [ __ ] over a seventh round draft pick I say you reassess the
1:16:13
importance of your life every year so So with that being said we're gonna we're going to wrap it up like subscribe all
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that good stuff and we will see you tomorrow night live at the draft thanks all
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