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he got little funny things to play with too he would just come on and he would be like you know you're looking live and
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sold out giant Stadium you got to hit it again oh I do yeah
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everywhere with the hope of 2025 I don't [Music]
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live um I'm gonna post ask people if they can see us while you're talking one of us uh mentioned Eric the
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other day in BBI which is Big Blue inter active.com that it's been awfully quiet
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across the globe and the five that are currently watching right now we are live we have more viewers than Sheldon
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have no idea in my head I came up with something about Darius lton after a
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after a post earlier this week and my God Does it include the Big Bang Theory so thank you for opening that door
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so with flags here we go where we left off was you had mentioned it's been very
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quiet in in Gian Central we have not heard a lot since they they said Shane's
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coming back D Ball's coming back we're bringing a band back together what what are your thoughts
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right now on kind of what's going on it's been unbelievably quiet but we are losing some coaches it's really weird
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it's maybe I'm looking into it too much it's it's very very quiet and I posted
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earlier this week and this is a minor thing but they usually make a bunch of um res what they call Reserve future
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contract signings in January and they've done this for years and years and usually it's almost always they resigned
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the bulk of the practice squad plus a few players from um that weren't on the
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roster and last year it was 13 the year before it was 14 I went back and looked
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and this year it's five and that includes the European kicker that we have that who doesn't even really count
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against the roster so they're not even like I don't know what to make out of that so don't I'm not saying that oh
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this is a big thing it's just a little weird that they haven't done that and the
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Giants just so you guys know the Giants have done that in past even when they've made coaching changes and have not hired
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a new coach in GM yet so it's what's been weird is like even when before like
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Shane came in they somebody in the team was probably one of the one of the relatives of me were resigning these
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players and they haven't done that and so and then of course the coaching news has been fairly quiet the biggest thing
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which is really weird but great for the Giants is we they just announced our sixth coach is going to be coaching in
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the All-Star games which that is a big thing I mean when you can get your coaches can get your hands on these
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players in the allstar games in the meeting rooms and the practice field getting up to meet them up close and
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personal see how they re react to learning and criticism and all that stuff that's a big deal so we've got
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like both our coordinators are in All-Star games and a bunch and four other position coaches are now in Al
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including an assistant offensive line coach which is which is a big deal so so
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that's kind of what's been going on and so it's it's been really quiet yeah it's it's um it is OD because
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we have seen a whole lot in the past like you said there was a flurry of last
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year I think Isaiah Hodgins was signed to the Futures again like we got these guys that were signed to go
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forward you didn't see any of that right now um I don't know if it means anything
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per se just you know may maybe they just haven't bothered to say anything and some of these guys are signed who knows
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no they would have announced it they they always do it they I mean it always comes up on their transaction page it's
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they just haven't done it they got two they resigned two centers and two defensive tackles that's basically all
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that that they've done so and people are gonna say so what these are these are Nob buies they're Camp bodies yes kind
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you're largely correct it's just odd that they haven't done something that they do every single year they done so
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that's weird a little weird to me I I I was saying to you earlier when we were talking kind of offlines that it it was
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it was quiet that we hadn't heard anything kind of like from the the Brain Trust um since they
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decided that they would bring you know both both guys back we nice thank you we
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hadn't SE get a new toy we hadn't seen we hadn't seen anything years we hadn't
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seen anything from from the Brain Trust that you know I don't want to see double
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down on it but sort of conveyed this thought of we're all in line this is
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what we're look we toing the offseason and pl starting to come we going to be all we heard was there would be some
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meetings that took place which they obviously did we got rid of Henderson the the DB coach and then there's really
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been nothing like we haven't heard anything about even what they might be looking at we supposedly hired as you
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mentioned uh earlier a DB coach that they haven't really officially come out and said that they've hired just yeah
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that's got that's really big too because they haven't even confirmed well when I say really big I mean really big
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relatively speaking but they haven't confirmed that they signed that they hir HED the new defensive back coach which
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which makes me believe a little bit that they're waiting on some other things so
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they can announce everything at once or why would they not why would they be waiting to announce this because
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everybody's everybody's already announced it except the Giants they've never haven't made it official so are
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they waiting on the cumings and go because there's a few coaches that have left um no one major other than you know
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the one that we knew the the the Jerome Henderson leaving um but have been some defensive assistants that have left too
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but are they waiting for something else before they make the announcement I don't know I think so but I don't know
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is in your mind I guess we won't really know because we don't have the other half of
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the question here but in your mind could they be waiting on hoping that maybe
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Kafka gets the offer to be the head coach in New Orleans he was he was part
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of that he was interviewing for that that maybe they're kind of like because I still find it weird that we're almost
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holding Kafka hostage you know I'm like at this point you know you're not letting him do
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what he's supposed to do but you're not letting him leave either
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sorry that's I mean seriously in all I mean if you
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really think about it he's he's literally like he's like this guy who's
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who's kind of like middle management they took all his power away but they won't let him quit early leave either
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it's really weird it's like's the one guy please let me go and they won't let him I I don't think so it's I don't
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think that's what's going on I I think his opportunities have dried up again um
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unless something happens in nor wasn't isn't norleans leaning in who are they leaning rumor to be leaning towards
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wasn't there or or or did that fall through I thought there were something that they were or was that I don't know
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that they've had anybody in particular that it seemed like that was the guy for New Orleans they interviewed a bunch of
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people kfka was to have a second interview but then the weather interfered with his travel to that's right yeah and and then we I assume we
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all assume that that happened even though the the storms were really bad down there so we we assume that happened
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and that may not have happened um that would be a bad situation for anyone to step in right now oh man I wouldn't yeah
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because that's almost like that's even almost worse than the Giants at this point um because of the salary cap you
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believe it or not there might be a team at in worse situation than us um though
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we may end up with their quarterback who knows yeah we'll get to that we'll get to that
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um I don't think they would wait on announcing and they haven't done this in the past they I don't think they would
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wait on maybe losing somebody um unless they knew the guy was
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already gone and it's been a few days now um I just I don't know the the thing is
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is is this they kept Bing and they got rid of two of the defensive
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back coaches which suggests to me I don't know if it suggests to you there was a difference of opinion in
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philosophy on defense between Henderson and Trier the safeties coach in Bowen
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it's That's What suggests to me I it's still remember this is a coach that not only did dble retain from Joe judge's
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staff he promoted last year to defensive passing game coordinator and he and he
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was also interviewed for the DC job before Bowen got it so it's a little
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interesting to me that they promote him and then the next year by you're out of here unless Bowen says I I need somebody
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else I can't work with them that's what I don't know if you feel that way but that's what no I I I I'm I would say
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this uh you and I talked about this in the last podcast
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I personally feel again this is 100% opinion I have no way of knowing if this is true they supposedly meet before the
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last game of the season at that point in time it seems to be of an understanding
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at least if you you know read the T leaves that Shane was coming back he was already coming back the meeting was
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clearly about de ball whether he would be back right and to lay out his plan
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going forward I've got to assume that as they were we going through that since we didn't see anything happen to Bowen even
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though even though John mea made a very big point after announcing they both
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would be back to really throw the defense under the bus yes so if that's
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the case somebody on a defense was going to get backx and it seems like you your
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assessment is probably pretty accurate there was a disconnect and it did seem
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like Henderson had no problem calling out Banks and yet D ball didn't really
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want to call people out by name they punished them later they punished them in game sometime by pulling them off the
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field and it was a partial benching it wasn't a full benching wasn't it agree but he doesn't really call players out
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by name he just doesn't and Henderson did and I have a feeling that that juxa
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position of of uh how we handle things just what came to the loger head and
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Bowen to me is a guy that I don't see him the more I look back at hardnox the less
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I respect Bowen as as the coach he seems to be more of a tell you kind of what he
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you know how just sort of feelings the big point I made over and over again was talking about Isaiah Simmons when he
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wasn't even on a team at that point in time which means you had already decided you're going to have him on the team but
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he wasn't signed and then when you do bring him you didn't even use them I don't make a big deal out of that and I
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haven't addressed this too much before but you know when they added Hard Knocks they probably went through every player
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on defense in that in that meeting and and they took a clip from Isaiah Simmons
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and they mentioned oh it was that defens an Anderson that the guy that didn't even
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make it out of Camp there there was that defensive tackle that that we had that they didn't even make so so I don't make
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too much out of the wasn't on the pimus wasn't on the team he was not signed at that but yeah and and and again but I
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just I don't it would have been more interesting to me if they had gone through and said what do you think of
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Mark of of uh mcfaden or what do you think of banks that would have been more
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interesting to me that stuff they left out so to me the Simmons thing could have been not just a throwaway to me too
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it was like we might have seen they might have left out if we bring back Isaiah Simmons how do you envision him
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and we saw part of that so I I this didn't get this didn't get your motor running hold on Eric did he's he's
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13th in in in red zone defense they were second in points I'm like what the hell
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you had to get it out and show Shane he didn't know already before you interviewed him yeah no yeah and we've
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talked about that before yeah yeah so I think you're right I think there was a disconnect and
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obviously Henderson was Henderson was the was the Daniel Jones of the coaching staff he made it over multiple staffs it
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if if you're going to go down with your ship the captain's going to want everybody that's on his side on that
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chip and maybe Henderson wasn't yeah let's step back a bit and look at the big picture here the big picture of this
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is the Giants are in a PR nightmare of Epic Proportions you are dealing with
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not only one of the worst seasons they've ever had plus the Barkley situation and the
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Xavier mckin situation ation looks terrible the Hard Knocks thing now looks like comedy and behind all of this is
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the worst NFC Championship game that could have possibly happened for the Giants you've got the eagles with
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Barkley there and you got the commanders who everybody thought was going to be
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worse than the Giants way worse than the Giants with the quarterback that they
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could have had had Tommy DeVito not gone on his little run there had has them in
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the championship game this is just a nightmare it's almost like we and We've
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joked about it GI have joked about this somebody has somebody's paying for their
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debts of their prayers during you know during the Super Bowls about gez if you
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just give us this win I don't care what will happen we've got some kind of curse on this team like right now and it keeps
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getting worse it's unbelievable the worst thing that could have happened and and you saw it on on BB
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people were lost their minds with with the commanders in the Eagles being in the in in the NFC championship and it's
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understandable I don't want to watch that game who the hell do you root for in that game I'm rooting for the bills
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right now but the bills are the bills are going to probably you know they can't get past the Chiefs so we're going
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to be condemned to Tailor Swift crap for the next couple of weeks and then on top of that you've got you've got you got
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the either probably Eagles if an eagles Chiefs Super Bowl oh God God help me
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help us now I mean what don't you think this is a nightmare a PR nightmare of Epic abortions I
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mean I don't really care about the mcken thing per se it the Barkley thing is the nightmare because John mea made that a
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very big at no point in time did John Mara say I'm gonna be really sad if mckin goes and really takes off because
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we we invested so much in him it was 100% Barkley and he went to the very team that he did not want to to go to
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the team that Shane tried to say I think they're out they're they're not they're not in it he thought he was going to
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Chicago thought he was going somewhere else that's the nightmare um him running in the snow now
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in slow motion it's all a sudden it's oh my God
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I I don't know it's bad this is really a bad S I mean I don't know John this is I'll say
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this um and I know I I know how this may sound in a way it sounds kind of petty
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and I and I get it I fully admit it but hearing that Daniel Jones was was
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in at the game in a box for Barkley and stuff and I'm thinking and I think
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Slayton might have been there too if there is a is it the Cowboys had
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aan Smith and Irvin that was their Trio right well we we just saw what was our
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Trio for a number of years Jones Slayton and Barkley and you know what they accounted for nothing nothing we didn't
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win [ __ ] with any of those guys so I don't Pine away for Barkley I couldn't
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care less about SL it's it's the way they let him go it's they could have got
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they could have we should have traded him but I will say this there's a number of fans that would have bitched like no
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tomorrow if the Giants did trade him and that's the problem that mea has that
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listens to those things too much and it's a pattern that has led us to where
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we are you just said people saying prayers for the Super Bowl and now we get the curse because here's what I'm
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willing to give up to win the Super Bowl yeah sell your soul here's I don't actually see that what I see is a series
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of unbelievably poor choiced or poorly
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timed decisions that might have worked two years before or might work two years
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later later but because of when you did it it didn't work right it started with
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the ignoring and I again you and I don't know this nobody else really knows this we've only heard the rumors but it
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started with McAdoo supposedly wanting momes so badly and the Giants are just
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like nah we'll take Evan Ingram because God knows what that led to and then in 2018 you have a chance again now again
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fans put aside Josh Allen for the moment at no point in time do we do we know or
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have heard that the Giants were interested in Josh Allen there was all the rumors that they liked Sam darnold
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so if the Giants had gone darnold we I doubt they would have gone Mayfield if he had not gone first so you can forget
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that if they didn't go darnold then the next one is probably Rosen before they
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go to Josh Allen based on the way the Giants operate if that's the case we're
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were're even worse than we were a trade down made so much sense you could have
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moved a few we could have gotten Quinton Nelson we could have locked up the old line and picked up more
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picks let's say that okay we didn't do that that's fine but we had and you you
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can confirm this for me you've heard this too the Giants absolutely loved
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Justin Herbert but he didn't come out so they go in the next year and they take
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Daniel Jones so now here you are in 2020 picking at the top of the draft and
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you got a quarterback that did okay but there were a lot of flaws in his game but enough so that I think
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you had a tradable commodity if a smart business person sitting there going you know what we loved this guy and we can
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get him this guy did enough that somebody below us who can't get one of these
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quarterbacks up here they might be willing to give us a first this year and maybe a first next year for the guy to
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get a Kai that they could no what did we do we take an offensive tackle that
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needed time to develop at left tackle while our quarterback who was probably
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maxed his ability already but we wanted him to stop turning the ball over so guess what he stopped turning the ball
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over he also stopped scoring he stopped passing I mean everything stopped and but we at least we had an offensive
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tackle so all those decisions every single one of them always fell like to to retroactively fix the the year before
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problem versus the think ahead well that's why I'm a little scared right now with where we're at because the team
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again you credit to John C the wackamole approach the reacting late approach that
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type of thing um throwing the pr thing that I've talked about they're in a bad PR
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situation are they going to overreact here and reach for a quarterback either
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in free agency slash trade slash the draft
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here that now they're doing things for the wrong things and again a year too
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late so I'm all on board look we we need a quarterback I think um DeVito is going
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to be an exclusive rights free agent so he'll be back but he'll be the only quarterback under contract so we need to
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get a quarterback I'm a little bit Afra afraid right now that they they're going
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to bring in their their version of Craig Morton or Norm Sneed at this point oh
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you know so like again the son seems to be channeling the bad era of his father
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we seem to be sort of repeating history a little bit so is he now going to go we got to bring in the quarterback and it
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doesn't matter hence you're seeing a lot of names out there that don't really Inspire again we I don't people are
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talking about David Carr right now because renan dropped his name I don't know if that was just more opinion or if he actually knows something ran I think
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sometimes his his opinions get sold as as something he's heard so I wouldn't
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put too much stock in that but I don't want to lock into a quarterback that
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just isn't going to get it done not in this division moving forward we've got to play against the commanders in that
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quarterback for the next decade plus now unless he tears his knee and gets permanently damaged which you know
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that's sort of morbid to count on but you're going to be we're going to be dealing with that the Eagles don't look
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like they're going to be fading anytime soon so we got to think about getting a quarterback in here that's going to be
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able to compete with those teams so Carr's not gonna do that
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um with you saying that sorry with you saying that what do you think I'm your opinion first and then I then I'll say
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what I think right I think we're no no wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what do you think that day ball said to
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explain what he was going to do he had to give a plan so if you were D ball what based on what we've seen of him
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what do you think he said because ultimately John Mera hinted at two very different things and the one thing that
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he hinted at more than the other is what stood out to me and the two hints were that obviously we need a
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quarterback you there's two ways of doing it you could go to the draft but we could go free agency we could go
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trade they made sure to say that Shane also said that which told me that that's been discussed so what do you think day
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ball laid out for his plan oh I think they're going to get a veteran I I and I think people better be prepare for that
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because I think it's going to be largely you said a long time ago you said this like more than a month ago that they're
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going to need somebody in here to save their neck and a rookie is probably not going to do that so um you can't count
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you can't count on rookies and plus now if say you're the guy the only guy
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that you were really high on is is a camp Ward he's May might be there but probably isn't going to be there I God I
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hope they don't trade up and give away future picks um future first round picks
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but I think they're going veteran based on what you just said I think the owner kind of telegraphed it I think the coach
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kind of telegraphed it I think they know their necks are on the line that's why I'm I'm I'm having these visions and I
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wasn't I was alive but I wasn't watching the Giants and that's why I have visions of this Norm sne Craig Morton stuff it's
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like get the veteran in here try to stabilize the ship kind of crap um you
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can do that and they're going to need to bring in a veteran but I just don't want to give him a huge contract I don't want
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to lock get locked into some guy like like Daniel Jones we got locked in for two years two years right now in the
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NFL's in eternity we found that out um people said well it's only two years boy
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it's been a long two years though um and he didn't even make it for two years yeah and that was I mean I don't want to
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go through that again I would rather the John the problem is this is
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who's the quarterback in the draft that you would get if you're not crazy about
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Sanders and um you think Ward's going to be gone so everybody else is kind of
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like you're going to have to hope you get like another kind of Jaylen Herz situation whereas you get somebody that
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falls into the second round or the bottom of the first round or that kind of thing so that's the real awkward
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situation you know and and I don't want to say Sai is the end all Beall but he's been talking about this for a while now
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he he said you know this this draft class isn't great and it might be
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worthwhile kicking the ball to the next draft class and getting help at other
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spot Giants have problems everywhere and maybe maybe address those other problems but I don't know if Shane and and Deo
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can afford to think like that I don't know if they that's the problem with bringing them back is right they're they
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may do something stupid because they they're desperate desperate people do dumb
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things and this is one situation where we might want somebody in the mea family to say whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you're
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not going to do this because that's crazy um I I I suspect that's already in
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place I I I think what again clearly stating I think I don't know I think
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whatever they laid out mea had to agree with it and if agreed with it I'm sure
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he agreed with it with a this is what I expect to how you're going to handle this particular thing you're not going
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to go out and you're not gonna sell the farm to go get a guy to try to get seven
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wins in a season that's not going to save your ass do you think he did that though you I do I actually do because I
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think I think overall he want he wants him to stay he wants him to succeed he
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doesn't want to change coaches again that seems pretty obvious it's not just he doesn't want to for this particular
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year because what difference would it make if it's this year or next year I think he wants it to work he saw what
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happened in 22 they all overestimated how they got there but maybe the belief has come back around
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that you created a system that worked and we misunderstood it to be the
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quarterback that we had made it work and he didn't so now I think overall they're
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looking at this and I think what's going to tell and I mentioned this in a post that was on the site what's going to
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Telegraph where they're going is kind of what they do here in the offseason a little bit in some free agent signings
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or a trade you've mentioned we were talking offline together you mentioned if they go Fields then they're probably
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goingon to go a Young quarterback because Fields is clearly just designed to get them to a certain point if they
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get a different guy if they go darnold which just throwing that name out there for the moment if they go darnold now
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you're kind of more trying to win more immediately like that you're really Des so now you got to fix that I think it's
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a little less about The Who and it's about the kind if you get a Fields who's
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mobile then I think Jaylen milro becomes a Target in the draft and you're GNA build an offense that you can easily sub
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that guy into the guy you brought on fields you can sub him in in a short
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amount of time because your offense is built the same you can't have one quarterback who okay for instance two
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years ago three years ago whatever it was now so long ago drives me nuts we had Daniel Jones but then you had Mike
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Glennon they were so fundamentally different that the second that Jones was
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hurt your offense had to completely change you couldn't have the quarterback running around he wasn't going to be
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able to do any of that kind of stuff he was a statue back there you have to have a quarter back and you have to have a
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backup that can use and play the same system it's why you don't see Lamar
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Jackson with a backup like Joe Flaco they have another mobile quarterback because their offense is completely
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built around how you play if you're smart well if you're smart there is that
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and by the way we're live here we should take questions too so so
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I want a couple things uh so Damen Pierre has been posting things in here couple things he he mentioned one thing
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and I want to go back to because oh you're reading that where you're yeah I'm well I'm doing it in the in
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stream cool um you mentioned whoever we get at quarterback
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is going to be battling the other quarterback and I and I didn't say anything at time but I totally disagree with that they're going to be going
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against them but they're going to have absolutely nothing to do with how well or not well that other quarterback does
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that's going to rely on our defense needs we need to have a good defense defense going forward or we need to have
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such an exceptional quarterback to even be in games we can't rely on just one side or the other it h we do need to
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build and what was was the question what was the question so his his piece was in
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order to battle people like Jaylen Herz in order to battle at Jaden Daniels we've got to beef up our trenches we've
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got to improve our defense and this is where somebody like an Abdul Carter at three if he's sitting there makes a
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whole lot of sense because he fundamentally changes the Giants defense
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so it's things we have to consider Beyond just quarterback to really improve this team you know what I always
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fall prey to with the draft is I start I'm so damn greedy with the draft so I'm
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like everyone Carter everyone's talking up Carter lately so I'm like yeah yeah but now I'm like oh man he's gonna go
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before us and then now people are really been talking up Hunter in um lately to I
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mean they were doing it before too but um you know people are making a very convincing case and you and I have said
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otherwise but and again I want to take a deeper dive and all these guys soon but you know Hunters now you know
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generational talent that type of thing and then of course we've talked about Ward so the Giants are in a decent [ __ ]
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decent place right now in this sense that they will probably get a good should get a very good player at a
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position of need Carter can help us Hunter can help help us Ward can help us
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there are a lot of people Graham can help help us the the other Corner can help us there are a lot of there are a lot of play people that that are going
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to be there at three some two only two players aren't going to be there so we can get better and if they don't if
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they're not crazy about the quarterback that's going to be there say Sanders is there and they're not crazy about him
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don't force the pick just get get the guy that you think would is going to be
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a Difference Maker so I I do agree in this sense that um we
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have so many needs and and it's going to be the Giants are not going to compete for anything next year they're just
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trying to get save it save themselves another year and and again try to try to keep building this forward so you want
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if you can get a guy like a Carter and Carter's here for 12 13 14 years and and eight of those he's he's a pro bowler
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that's going to help your team so I I'm a trenches guy so and but I will say
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this we've learned this if you don't have the quarterback look what to happen to the Comm the commanders are just such
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a perfect example right now look what happened to the commanders just because they have the quarterback I mean that he
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he's he is he has inspired he's lifted that whole team that roster still isn't
35:49
they've got more sacks now the commanders have more sacks now than they did when they before they traded all
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those defensive linemen away remember last year when they they did their fire sale and they sent all those guys there
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there's an example too by the way that you can get rid of people that are supposedly good and end up being better
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anyways so so at some point the Giants have to get
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the quarterback and the question is is where and how they get it I'm sorry David Carr's not going to do it Fields
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isn't going to do it they placeholder but all the names that are being talked about right now they're
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not going to get it done they're they're not going to go they're not going to go into the NFC Championship Game and and
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get get this team over the hump we're going to have to get a quarterback someplace so all right um there's a lot
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of things in chat going through um yeah and we got a lot of question on BBI right now well so I'm gonna pose this to
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you it's kind of it's not no one asked this question so I'm gonna ask it and I'm curious of what people in chat um
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think and is what I want what you think we're sitting there at three okay it
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doesn't matter to me in which order these two guys go but let's say they Ward goes and then Carter or Hunter goes
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right Sanders is still there at three okay your Joe Shane your John Mara and
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your whoever else gets to have a say the phone rings it's Carolina Carolina says
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I want your pick I'll give you our first round pick I'll give you our second
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round pick and I'm making the picks up doesn't really matter I'll give you our second round pick and maybe a first in
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our first next year and Bryce young to move up do you
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take that trade if next year's number one is in there yes with the Panthers I would take
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that trade unless Shane and T are absolutely
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convinced Sanders is the guy so remember this is my biggest problem with the
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Giants right now is this is the same regime that look
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at the guy who's in Washington right now and said oh my God I trade up for him
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and I would get him right the same same group that said I want to double down on Daniel
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Jones so so it's kind of like how can you be so different on evaluating quarterbacks
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how why were these guys I don't think see I know you're gonna go back to meor again I yeah this is the part that I
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have a real problem with people in BBI and Beyond I mean we're we're a BBI as well but they you you
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have to separate this thought process that says everything is the same thing it's not the same thing they clearly
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identified three players that were within a certain range of top players right okay they obviously did not
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include Nicks they didn't include pennx and they didn't include McCarthy in the top five range right John mea said if
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they have a guy that they feel very strongly about if they that's what they
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feel they should do they can move up but I suspect that that conversation had already happened that said it could be
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this guy Williams this guy Daniels or this guy may but how do we know how do
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we know mea said that though well think about this right he keeps talking about the process behind the scenes he
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believes in Shane's process what did Shane do when he laid out that board he laid out where players were going and we
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saw that we don't know where they had Nicks where they had um where they had
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pennx and where they had McCarthy if those guys are in the 15 16 17 range
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there is no way that you're GNA convince the guy who you just told that this is how we want to rank players that we
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should just draft that guy at six just because of the position when you're paying a quarterback 40 mil if that
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quarterback you think is okay enough to get you by which is what they kind of
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already felt based on a stupid contract I can see where that happened I don't
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agree with it I can just see where that happened that being
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said now you're in a whole different ball game this year you don't have a
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quarterback so thus any ranking you have of a quarterback I got to expect is at least four to five slots higher than it
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would have been in a comparable year because you're now going to put more emphasis on that position right so if
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they think Sanders is the guy sure but if you don't yeah and I saw somebody
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Damon Pierre said uh he takes that trade I absolutely take that trade uh Pete says the same thing well if you throw in
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the number one for next year and it's the Panthers I think you have to take that trade unless again
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unless you love Sanders unless you have well that's what I'm saying gops here
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full bloom love if you have full bloom love for Sanders then you don't but I
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can't believe that you would I well the one thing is this is right again it's
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people have said it's lying season there are a lot of people talking blowing smoke out of their ass all this other
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stuff you still seeing tidbits here and there that the Giants supposedly like
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Sanders I don't know if that's true but but I'm we don't know if that's true or not but SLI but we can't discount if it
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is we can't discount it so true they could now the thing that scares me about Sanders is this it's not me evaluating
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them because I haven't even really looked at these guys yet but there are people but like Sai and like the
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franchise guy on YouTube who I like and other people who have looked at him and who have
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said I'm not really sure why he's getting as much hype as he is other than the fact that he's his last name is
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Sanders and um that scares me a little bit so um the flip side is this is
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people are terrible at predicting how a quarterback so all I know is this this
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is gonna sound really obvious duh we need a quarterback and we
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need a quarterback that's not another Daniel Jones I don't care how they get that guy if it's Sanders at three I
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don't care but if that deal like you just mentioned was offered and I wasn't
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full bloom in love with Sanders if you're telling me they're throwing in next year's because because
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what I'm thinking is this is next year's quarterback class is way better and if
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I've got two picks cu the Giants are AR going to be real good next year two high
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picks next year I'm either going to get a quarterback by standing Pat or now
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I've got the ammo to move up to get the guy that I want so say you're one of these Archie Manning guys or bus you
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have a legitimate shot maybe getting Archie Manning in that situation provided the team that has that pick
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doesn't desperately need a quarterback at that spot so yes Dan longwinded dancers yeah you got to listen to that
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deal you got but I don't know if Shane D will do because right now they're like I
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gotta win right now or I'm screwed but again I'm and I'm I'm discounting whatever might have happened in free
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agency and all that stuff so for now just a draft okay that's option one
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option two the phone rings same scenario Sanders is at three and and I understand
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the full-blown love for the moment pretend like you don't know in either direction and you're are those guys of
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the next one the Raiders call we want to flip we want to go and I have a weird feeling that they really want
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Sanders out there they want to flip with us to give us some picks but they also
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throw in Aiden o Connell and M and Michael Meyer the tight end do you take that if you get picks
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and and two guys to help Philly R oconnell could be a backup he could play he could be a starter if you needed a
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guy just to play and again I don't know what happened in free agency do you take a deal like that if
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you get the future pick and some picks in this you keep throwing out these scenarios and you could keep going over
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you you go down down it comes down to what the
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Giants think of Sanders if giants think Sanders can be it no you take him but if
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you're not sure all these scenarios you're painting are are wonderful for the Giants so I
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think what the cut to the chase I think what you're suggesting is this and a lot of people have suggested I get emails in
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my inbox this week saying the same thing trade down Giants I've got have people
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email me say trade down and and I I've always been a trade down guy um but
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they've got to get the quarterback if the quarterback isn't there I think they've got they've got to listen to all
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options it's gonna be interesting to see what people really think of Hunter you know because like the titans this week I
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think the tit Titans are posturing a little bit they're trying to trade yeah they're they're like generational talent
44:54
and you don't pass on that and but that tells but it's kind of interesting that they they must not be the 100% sold on
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cam Ward either or why would they be doing that unless they unless they think they can trade down with with a team
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like the Giants and maybe still get him or maybe see here's the thing right all the talk about the draft and even what I
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was just doing is really an exercise and futility at the moment because so much
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of the landscape is about to change there are quarterbacks that are going to be free agents and they're going to go
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somewhere there are a number of teams that have got to drop salary the Saints is one of them so let's let's turn to
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that real quick because that was one of the talks here a lot of people are worried that because renan said the
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Giants might trade for car and all that stuff that now they believe that's a deal that that John Mera they could see
45:44
John Mara forcing that deal do you want Carr on the team though I mean do you let me I'll start with this I would not be disappointed well no I shouldn't say
45:52
disappointed I would not be surprised or too upset if the Giants get car I don't
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want to trade for him and here's why I told you this offline the Saints are over the barrel there is nothing they
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they're in saler cap hell they can't possibly dictate terms on anything they are so far over and their roster is crap
46:14
their receiving core is crap olave's got concussion problems they are legitimately crap their offensive line
46:21
is a disaster they have absolutely no cap space they are so far over over the
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the cap space and they're going to take a massive hit even cutting some of these guys is not really going to free up a
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ton Carr is gonna go one way or another there's no way that he's staying on that team what the hell are the Saints
46:40
thinking though I mean be pointing fingers at anybody I think they thought were close and they
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you know jamus Winston wasn't a guy that they really wanted to Hitch their wagon to you know further they thought they
46:53
were close they thought they could do a thing using T why would they think they were again I as a Giants fan I shouldn't
46:59
be pointing fingers at all here but it just it aounds me it's like when the the Giants said well were we just need
47:05
Barkley to put us over the put us over the hump you so I think car I think Carr's gonna end up being out there for
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free I think the Saints are hoping somebody might but if they do it if they do trade it's going to be really low
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picks and the Saints are going to have to eat some of that contract but the whole point of getting rid of him is to
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get rid of the contract so I think he's going to end up being a free agent I think they're going to let him go he's
47:29
going to have some options cuz one Carr has a good arm Carr is not horrible he's just a little bit
47:35
unreliable and you can count on him getting hurt at some point in time that does
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sound but he is a little bit better and there is a connection with his brother I would take him as a free agent if I can
47:49
get a really low deal because we have nobody we have no cor oh we got to get some but the thing is is they're going
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to they're going to sign somebody in free agency and they're going to probably draft somebody someplace in the
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draft so again big picture is what we've talked about then we should move on with
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this is the Giants are in an unfortunate position that what they do in free
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agency is going to largely probably Telegraph what they do in the draft at quarterback so if they go after Sam
48:20
darnold and give him a ridiculous Daniel Jones type contract I have a hard time
48:25
seeing them taking quarterback in the first round or trading even trading back up into the first round and taking a
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quarterback because you're locked into Daniel I mean um here we go Freud and slip you're locked into Sam darnold um
48:39
for the foreseeable because Sam darnold if he leaves if he does leave the Vikings he's not gonna sign a bridge
48:46
deal with anybody he thinks he's gonna try to he's going to try to um you know
48:51
he really torpedoed himself at the playing poly as he did at the end of the season and and that may hurt him and and
48:59
maybe I'm being a little bit too harsh but I but I think he's I know I think eag Eagles get involved and I think some
49:05
team desperate team will step up and Giants are one of those desperate teams will step up to the play I I I do not
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want if if we're we're having a podcast in March we we should do live podcasts when
49:19
free agency starts you know oh the first day yeah that would be we should do that
49:24
we'd be on here what the [ __ ] did they just I'm have to bleep some of this stuff out you gotta be [ __ ] me we
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just gave milon we only allowed a couple of f
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bombs before we might get nailed so let's we want to keep those kind sorry sorry yeah no no it's good I it's a
49:44
little different when it's live because it's being it's you're running it through you know YouTube could just go
49:49
whoops and then we're in trouble um I'll say this I know can I cause our first strike are we in trouble I know people
49:57
hate it but I I would be okay if we signed if we
50:02
at a decent cap friendly deal if we signed Aaron roders
50:08
um especially since we are you're gonna have to win games I know you keep saying
50:14
we're going to be really bad they can't go into the season that way or they're out of here and they know it that
50:19
doesn't mean you you risk the farm but there are ways of making changes we have talent on the roster we don't have a
50:26
very deep roster but we never were able to take advantage of some of the things that we do have because the guy that we
50:32
had behind the center was so limiting that you can't do those things and that
50:37
really it showed up in the first Washington game it showed up in the first Dallas game it showed up in the
50:43
Cincinnati game if those three games are different this season may have ultimately been different not great but
50:50
a lot better than it was but we saw in that moment this is a guy that just
50:55
can't get it done so if you bring a Rogers in it opens you to get a Carter
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at three uh maybe Graham is a little high for me at three I'd want to move back a little bit because you assuming
51:09
first two picks are a quarterback and one of the two Defenders or two quarterbacks then you've got two BigTime
51:16
Defenders at three so somebody's willing to probably give you a lot if you don't want either one of those guys you want
51:21
to come down get more picks everything you're saying makes perfect logic but I'm in a very dark place right now oh I
51:28
got you but because what I'm thinking along these lines is this is right say Rogers does come here and he's got a
51:35
little bit of juice left and the Giants somehow manage to get seven wins or
51:40
eight wins next year now you take yourself out of the quarterback hunt in
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202 yeah I don't believe in that I don't I I know you don't I know you don't but I I'm still what I'm think I'm still and
51:54
I again I'm you're again you're talking to the guy who said you can't count on you can't game plan to get Archie
51:59
Manning there's no way that you can like tank a season you can tank a the reason
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I say that for one second the reason I say that is you can't even count who's gonna be in the draft exactly and you
52:10
don't know if who's gonna tear a knee or no I'm just saying the nil has changed nil has changed everything did you see
52:16
Hunter's response to to the nil money that ERS is getting he was like he was
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really pissed off so um yeah I so I so I hear you wait wait
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wait did you say eers eers he turned it down didn't he I thought he's coming out oh is he yeah it's
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um thinkg you're thinking of Beck from Georgia Beck be I'm sorry back I'm sorry
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my bad I mean that by the way that dud that dude's getting nil and he's getting a little horizontal stuff uh from that
52:48
that chick in in Miami as well so there's a there's a little extra there this is inside this is uh inside BBI
52:54
unplug after in the Red Zone but it might not be on the field anyway wait
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wait wait wait damn it oh too late
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so all right yes yeah so it was it was definitely Beck that's my see that's my
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thing for next year if you plan on next year you're always planning on next year
53:17
I agree I agree I just don't know where they get the quarterback so the the nice thing
53:24
would have been that the cool thing would have been and it could still work out this way they love a quarterback in
53:31
this draft and they get him and he and he he's the real deal and we have a
53:36
great new rivalry with the commanders and it's it's like the old days and we go back and forth that would be great
53:42
that could still happen because Sanders could still be the guy Ward theoretically could fall into the Giants
53:48
lap I don't know if any of those guys are the real deal or not I don't and nobody does anyone who says they know if
53:53
they are they don't they're don't I mean the the same people told us that Sam darnold when he came out and Josh Frozen
53:59
were sure things people don't know um I mean I did have word on my list when we
54:05
talked to s in the summer you remember that when he was talking like ward he was like No milro And I'm like well I'm
54:11
already looking at Ward but I I remember the day when they people weren't sure Payton Manning was the best quarterback
54:16
coming out you know so I mean people don't know I mean they they think they know but they don't know so they got to
54:22
get a quarterback it's where they get the quarterback because and they can have all the other parts even if they do
54:29
and they don't but if they even had all the other parts if you don't have the cour the one thing I'm a little worried
54:34
about before we move on and we should try to answer some questions um is the I
54:42
I'm going to call it the Minnesota Viking syndrome thing that Giants have
54:47
with you always have Minnesota remember no win has probably done more damage to
54:52
the Giants than that Minnesota game because it gave them this horrible impression of a different alternate
54:59
universe that just didn't exist I'm a little bit worried about the Colts game kind of being that right now where like
55:06
you said what did dble tell mea going back full circle to what you said what did D what if mea bought Hook Line in
55:12
syn or they see what I can do if I can get decent quarterback play We light up the scoreboard without considering the
55:20
fact that the Colts laid down like dogs that day and couldn't tackle their mother um so I'm a little bit worried
55:26
that the Giants organization is is way overring what happened against the Colts
55:32
this year saying this is a team that can can compete with anybody if we just have
55:38
a halfway decent quarterback so yeah maybe if we do have Derek Carr in here
55:43
we'll be right there with everybody else I hope that's not the lesson they took away from the Colts game but I'm
55:49
definitely afraid that that's that's I can I can see why I mean I can see why you would I still lean towards the first
55:56
half of the season the rumor that you heard which was the guy that I kind of
56:01
want I wanted them the Stafford bit the fact that they were thinking that then they thought they had a better
56:08
team and they were being held back by the quarterback and and quite frankly again as I if all things were equal
56:15
right so nothing else was different except for the fact that you pluck Jones out of the situation and you put Matthew
56:21
Stafford on this team this team last this past season is probably a seven eight nine win team because you don't
56:29
know what would happen with injuries if you if you had been a different team earlier things start to pile up very
56:34
quickly when things go bad they were in games they could have won games we couldn't score to save our lives we
56:42
played a Washington team that did not get into the end zone and yet we scored
56:47
three touchdowns and ended up with 18 points because we couldn't have a kicker and then we couldn't score at the end of the game because we couldn't even play
56:53
for a field goal at the point and our quarterback while he did make a good pass to our big time receiver who
56:59
dropped it still missed a number of other plays during the game that could have turned the game the Cowboy game I
57:06
said all along and I know people didn't like it he didn't lose the game but he
57:11
was the reason we didn't win he could not make the plays when they were there he didn't turn the ball over that that
57:18
caused the game to go in their favor but when there were opportunities he just couldn't make them and then the Carolina
57:25
game The Season's already over at that point and your cat loves it and the SE I
57:31
know I saw your face I knew shut up buster at that point in time you just
57:37
saw the fact that every the Carolina game was a microcosm of Daniel Jones's
57:43
entire season up to that point there were opportunities to be made and he just could not do it and that is where I
57:50
think they're looking it's probably not the end of the year because at that point everything all things are just not
57:56
equal anymore but if you go back to the beginning of the year and you change that quarterback we're looking at a different
58:03
season we're we're looking at by midpoint a team that could still be in it it might be struggling some but their
58:11
quarterback is keeping them in games where we just weren't even at that point we couldn't we couldn't score we
58:16
averaging 14 points yeah I I don't know that's I want to think that and I've
58:22
said that and I want to believe that and I hope that's the case but I know John meor I'm afraid John Mera thinks that
58:29
you know that's and maybe we'll find out maybe maybe we'll find out I
58:35
just this team has misjudged where they are repeatedly for the last 12 13 years
58:41
they've thought they were this close and if they just filled this hole filled
58:46
this hole they would be gold and and it you could sort of defend them if we were
58:53
anywhere near 500 but the problem is is we've been on the other end of the spectrum awful so I'm a little bit gun
58:59
shy right now sure I you know contrary to what popular belief I'm not the
59:04
internal pessimist on the site I I've tried to be be balanced with
59:10
this stuff but I've just I'm a little gun shock I'm a little Shell Shocked right now with with the Giants I'm a
59:16
little bit like until you they prove otherwise I'm a little bit like I'm not going to buy this until you you prove I
59:23
mean we go into next year we're going to be doing this podcast I'm going to be like prove it to me I'm not going to I'm
59:28
not going to make any wild predictions anymore I'm not going to and I did it I did cuz I was you got me motivated I had
59:35
my beer back in September what did we predict we predicted 10 wins is that what we or I don't I think I went I I'm
59:42
not doing that anymore yeah I I I think I did too I think I went 10 and seven you had him winning the division did I
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well I think that's because I I was at the end of my year I will say this for a little while we were right the Eagles
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had kind of come back even though the record was still pretty high they were beatable and didn't look so great until
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they played us we and and then we' played the and we've done that with the Eagles a few year a few seasons where
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the Eagles haven't looked good and they get well against us and they their season goes on a different completely
1:00:14
trajectory after after we what really helped though the one thing that we were 100% right on was the Cowboys they came
1:00:20
way back to the back you were more right than I was on the Cowboys um I didn't them but but you were really you were
1:00:27
much more down on them than I was um but here's the thing here's the thing with none of us at the commanders none of us
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right well here's the thing with the commanders though we should have no but that just wait a second
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though we should have beaten them in week two so they would have had one more we should have beaten them they would had one more loss they should have lost
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to Chicago I don't know what the hell Chicago was Tak I mean they they've won two playoff I mean they're going they're
1:00:53
a little bit reminiscent of the 2007 Giants right Cowboys in a situation where you're like how the hell did that
1:01:00
happen right this team is playing well now but
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they they skirt The Edge their talent is not great they have things that though but in 2011 and 20 and 2007 we did that
1:01:13
we Edge my point to that is though a better Giants team a better quarterback
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early might have actually kept them in the games so one of the things you mentioned what you mentioned this a
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little while ago and I wanted to make a point of it but we kind of got sidetracked you talked about the Redskins and or I just did it you talk
1:01:34
about the commanders and their pass rush yeah and all of a sudden they're rushing the quarterback now and they don't their
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talent isn't what it used to be no no it's not situations
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create different outcomes the Giants have not been in a situation to take
1:01:51
advantage I think we have a better pass Force than Washington we have two guys on the outside that are better than the two guys that they have on the outside
1:01:58
when Dexter Lawrence is healthy he's easily the best defensive lineman on their team we have the ability to rush
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the problem is we almost never put anybody in an obvious pass rush situation they ran the ball on us very
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easily the score generally was in their favor they never feared our offense so
1:02:17
you could be a little bit more uh conservative in how you attacked because
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you didn't have to worry about it and so so if you go back to like the 880s and I know that's going way back you go back
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to the 80s you go back to the' 07 right when we had the like the the NASCAR
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package in ' 07 the 80s team when you had Taylor on one side with Marshall you had Martin but we could bring if we
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wanted to we could bring Banks we could bring Pepper Johnson up the middle we had the ability to get after you no
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matter what you were forced to do certain things because you also knew our
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offense even the 80s offense they would pound you we would get the running game
1:02:58
going we would hit some passes on you you better hope that you're scoring against us or you're GNA be in trouble
1:03:05
so you dictated terms the Giants don't dictate anything constantly reacting
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everything and those 80s teams what they did is they made other teams completely one-dimensional they took away the run
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and and and and so teams didn't even got to the point where they didn't even try I mean even the even the Washington
1:03:24
Redskins of John Riggins and the Hogs couldn't run the ball on us and and they
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were a machine running the football so when you made somebody onedimensional you do dictate to them and that's where
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I'm I I don't think we'll ever get the NFL will ever get back to those days but I miss those defensive days where the
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teams like the bearers and the Buddy Ryan Eagles and the bill parcel's Giants and those those even the 49ers don't get
1:03:50
enough credit for the defensive play but those teams were able to shut down the run and make you onedimensional and get
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after you so well I would say I would say you you need to include the Chiefs in that their run right now of you know
1:04:04
multiple Super Bowls being in many Super Bowls defense their defense has been
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very very good though when they need it Mahomes does momes thing ABS but that's
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the that's the funny thing is if you look at what he's done this year he has not been the same guy as in the past
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years at critical moments he is right and last year too and it was the same thing with last year as well
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their defense is Rock that's why am that's why and I know people are disagree with me that's why I would have
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hired um spagnolo um this off season I would have I think he's right for
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another Redemption um but that's that's that's neither here there but I would I would
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have gone in that direction with and I know they've got way better talent but I I think he's a good coach so the then
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before we take questions too one thing that you said the the point thing with the Giants is just so alarming with the
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14 and 15 points is because those were historically bad numbers for the Giants
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in a on a team that when BBI was still in existence had Kent Graham Danny canel
1:05:15
Dave Brown at quarterback in other words those teams and that didn't have not
1:05:21
just the quarterback but didn't have the weapons were were more prolific at
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scoring points I mean that's how bad Daniel Jones and dull's offense has been
1:05:34
is is you can't win when you score 14 points a game you just can't you you're
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you're already gonna you're already condemned to a losing season especially in 2024 it's not 1938 you you're not
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going to win games scoring points like that and um they've made all these moves
1:05:52
in the offseason to fix that and none of it worked you know they they got neighbors they did all the stuff in the
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offensive line they they um got the tight end they they just it just didn't
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work so that's why I'm a little bit worried about um the coaching situation too is is they couldn't coach more than
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14 15 points right right do you um do you have the questions that were in BBI
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yeah and look those up real quick so I'm going to throw this out there uh PD 007 wide receiver won during that time was
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Chris Callaway I have question for you what was his nickname what was Chris Callaway's
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nickname who are you asking me it's for py007 in chat oh I won't yep I got it
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I'm just curious ESPN what ESPN gave the nickname to him yeah Neil Neil hickey
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jumped right in it's cab Callaway they always call C that's from Chris Burman isn't it then then he used to go but it
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became like constantly cab cway yeah nice job Mike from from SI wants to know why
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he continues to follow this franchise all right a real qu answerable question were the defensive issues against the
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run mainly scheme related in other words uh we weren't just playing enough D lineman tackles I hope so because we
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need more SL better Talent at literally every position on defense besides nose tackle and maybe you know this is a
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great question you and I have brought it up before um I don't know the honest
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answer to this question you you you talked about this more in our last podcast about the two defensive linemen
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and the ends really are the linebackers are really ends and they need to beef up on this I don't know what their scheme
1:07:36
is but whatever it is it's not working so I do find it and youve you said last week not to pay too much give too much
1:07:42
Credence to this given to where the win loss record and the teams we were playing but I do find a little
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interesting that after Dexter Lawrence was out the the run defense a little bit got better but not you know not not not
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not like miles better um all I know is under
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wink and under Bowen the depth chart
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which is the same depth chart in BBI because I mimic try to mimic what the Giants are doing out they show three
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defensive linemen but one of them is the outside linebacker and and
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so it I don't think it's working schematically what they're doing um but
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I also think it's related to what the defensive backs are doing as well too because when Andre Patterson repeatedly
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is asked about this the one thing Andre Patterson was the defensive line coach in the Giants every time that he was
1:08:38
asked about this he kept saying I'm paraphrasing it's not us
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it's someplace else and run defense is bigger than just the defensive line see
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he came as close to as you can to throwing other people people people
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under the bus and I got the strong impression he was throwing the secondary under the bus well I mean and that would
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bear fruit with the fact that you know we we fir the defensive backs coach I
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mean there I do think that the I don't know what's honestly as a person who's
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grown up I mean from a we lad very one-year-old there's pictures of me my
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dad's holding me I'm watching a Giants game I followed football my entire life I feel I know it as well as as anybody I
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don't really know what we're running for a defense it's not a 34 it's not a
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43 it's kind of a I don't want to say it's a it's a it's almost like the old Ram Eagle defense where they would play
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the two defensive lineman and Kevin green would be the standup outside guy and they had another standup guy and
1:09:45
they had another linebacker in the more today's era that other linebacker becomes a safety and you have three
1:09:52
safeties on the field I don't know what we're running quite frankly but I do think we need to get back to a bit more
1:09:58
traditional Bowen's defenses were more traditional they were three or fourman lines and they were they very distinctly
1:10:04
had Simmons was the main guy in the middle which that would be our Lawrence and they had a Herold Landry recently
1:10:10
and before that they had Bud Dupri that would be our Burns Tibido is the guy
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that I'm not really sure I don't really like Tibido quite frankly I've said this more than once this is why I'm really high on Carter I think Carter changes
1:10:23
everything but Tibido if he's going to be there he's going to have to B
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basically be a 4-3 defensive end he's not an outside linebacker he plays the run very poorly he's gonna have to be a
1:10:35
4-3 end right and one thing you said as I'm typing here because I'm trying to look
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up somebody I'm trying to get somebody's name here oh Jim Schwarz um one thing you said last time
1:10:47
we were on is you mentioned the wide n and when Bowen was in um Tennessee with
1:10:55
able I think Jim Schwarz was there as a consultant and I think I when I was trying to find out who Bowen was there
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was a discussion that Schwarz they adopted some of the wide N Stuff that Schwarz had so I wonder sometimes if
1:11:10
that might be part of the problem too is that the ends are way there's way too
1:11:15
wide way too wide I don't you know Mike it's it's a fantastic question I'm not
1:11:21
going to come on here and pretend to know what the answer is and make you think I'm not going to do that some
1:11:28
people will lie will pretend to know the answer I don't know what the answer is all I know is it's not working and it didn't work that and and if you have
1:11:34
Dexter Lawrence being as dominant as he has been it shouldn't be this bad it's it's
1:11:41
it's it's really weird and I don't get it I do know this and we've talk we talked about this
1:11:48
back in September that we knew they were going to get need a new defensive tackle
1:11:54
this year John and I talked about it we said next off season when we were in January 2025 and we said this back in
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September we said we're going to need a corner and we weren't thinking about Banks now maybe
1:12:06
two um and we said we really need a defensive tackle because even back then
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we weren't big uh newor roaches guys um he he just simply hasn't I mean he
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wasn't a huge contract but he just hasn't yeah he he's gonna get cut I think he's probably G to get cut but the
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um they do need a they need more beef up front schematically I don't I I agree
1:12:29
with John I I just don't know what they're doing and maybe that's part of the problem I I you know if they were
1:12:34
having success we we wouldn't even be talking about it but because they're not having success we're we're all we're all
1:12:40
going well is it scheme is it Talent whatever um I don't think they have
1:12:46
glaring holes at inside linebacker I don't think they have I think their Edge
1:12:52
guys are good enough to win I mean certainly Brian Burns is and K Tibido regardless of what you think of him he's
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not dog meat and it's not like we're seeing him getting slaughtered against the run like we've seen other guys so do
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you pick up his fifth year option we talked about that I think they
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will um but would you pick it up when do they have to make that
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decision is it it's before pretty soon before the league year starts before the league year isn't it yep yeah I I think
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I do because I think I don't know what's going to happen in the draft I think you have to um look the wor very wor very worst
1:13:28
scenario is tibal is is a above average player and there's some people out there
1:13:34
are going to say that's [ __ ] he's not a bad player he's just not what you want to get if he wasn't this he wasn't
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the fifth overall pick in the draft we wouldn't be have we wouldn't be
1:13:46
this upset with him it's the fact that he's so he was taken so high we're like
1:13:52
where the double digit sacks where the impact where are where are the plays that he did against the commanders on
1:13:57
National Television when he almost singlehandedly won that football game and maybe he did single-handedly win
1:14:03
that football game there's a um there's a piece going on in the in the chat so I'll share it real quick um the shock
1:14:10
treatment basically was discussing because you're talking about Banks I was talking about Banks and I'm gonna read
1:14:16
the the chat piece he put in uh it took Cory Webster a long time to figure it out he was helped by Madison McCords Etc
1:14:23
he wasn't thrown to the Wolves right away like Banks my response to that is this Corey Webster never dogged it Corey
1:14:30
Webster never G did business decisions on the field he got beat a few times he
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probably didn't play his best but he was also if I remember correctly he was a third or fourth round pick Banks is a
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first round pick he dogged it blatantly dogged it did not show any heart and as far as I'm concerned you can't teach
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that [ __ ] you cannot teach har and he was very disappointed I know you feel differently that he could what I'm going
1:14:54
to say is my least favorite player on this team and that is even when we still had Daniel Jones if there were two
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miraculous turnarounds in the 2007 playoffs one was Eli Manning people
1:15:07
forget that Eli Manning played like remember the Minesota game Minnesota game multiple pick six touchdowns I mean
1:15:13
we weren't even sure he was I mean it was like and then then Washington we
1:15:19
lost tot game and the times and we lost and
1:15:25
then all of a sudden it just clicked for him in the Patriots finale and then the
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playoffs he was a completely different player and he gets all the he should get
1:15:36
all the attention for that but the guy that flew under the radar who had the same Arc was Cory Webster Cory Webster
1:15:41
went from this guy that was couldn't even be inactive and to a guy that was a
1:15:47
different differen maker in the playoffs I mean he was he had a huge didn't even a huge interception in Tampa Bay in the
1:15:53
end zone I think he picked off a pass in the end zone i' have to go back and look I think so RW mcarter had a huge huge uh
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playoff piece for us he he played above his head there oh yeah he did I saw that play came up recently again the RW one
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that one I love RW just because of the the the um he did two things that he
1:16:14
recovered that fumble he caused the fumble I mean he he's the one who fumbled um but but getting that fumble
1:16:20
back in Green Bay and then there just the Dallas thing was something and he had that big punt turn in in Dallas too
1:16:26
so well that's another show we can we can do that on the uh on your screen on the right hand side towards the top can
1:16:32
you see a thing that says chat the chat's asking if you can't see it if you see where it says chat I don't see it
1:16:38
you don't you probably don't see it yeah so for for you guys I don't know that Eric's looking at the same thing that I'm using so I can't see it yeah so it's
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it's I'll relay it to him it's fine it's it's fine okay am I doing something wrong no no no I think I think I think I
1:16:52
have more of the control of that piece so that's bastard I got to watch my mouth or I'm going to get us another
1:16:57
strike um do you want me to read another question or not yet yeah go for it okay
1:17:03
um who this is actually really quick from the boss Oh but before I forget Franken Weezer if you're out there I'll
1:17:09
start giving you credit for things that you say because I keep forgetting you um the boss wants to know what do you say
1:17:15
to BB rooting for Philly Sunday and those who say they're rooting for him
1:17:21
but not the Eagles um I think he's talking about Barkley um I I think it's
1:17:26
simple all right I got cuz I don't get in trouble the
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Eagles all right you can imagine what that word was and include bark that
1:17:37
includes Barkley by association I can't root for the Eagles I hate St that team is the ray Hanley of teams I can't stand
1:17:44
that I can't stand that I can't stand the Eagles and that goes way way way back um oh yeah no no fans from other
1:17:51
teams that I can tolerate I cannot tolerate at Eagles fans the the only Eagles fan that I ever met that was nice
1:17:59
was Mike gfo I met him in person and he was the first Eagles fan but every other Eagles fan I've ever met in my life has
1:18:06
been utter complete like the guy that got in trouble in in um the stands the
1:18:12
other day yeah guess yeah I guess but I guess that was a setup too I don't you know that seems you people General suck
1:18:19
I I'll say this going to live games is not nearly as much fun as used to be
1:18:25
like You' used to be thrilled to go but you get surrounded by so many jackasses I I have a huge ass TV I'm kind of like
1:18:32
I I think I'm just fine doing this then dropping I think the last time when I
1:18:38
went to I saw the Giants play to Falcons um few years ago when they played on a Monday night game in Atlanta and the
1:18:45
amount of money I spent on those tickets and we were we were four rows back from the field but I'm like it was no fun
1:18:51
with some of the people around you and just some of the things that were being said said and we're you know I was I was
1:18:57
there with with uh with my stepdaughter and uh we were we were respectful we weren't yelling we were we weren't
1:19:02
really even yelling anything we were yelling at the Giants for being stupid but we weren't like you know in your face or saying anything we were just but
1:19:09
people are just if they see you even wearing a jersey of the other team they're just ripping you to shreds it's
1:19:16
not fun it's just not fun yeah it's and I can't even imagine going I've been
1:19:23
asked to go to Lincoln Financial Field I would I would never do I would never do
1:19:30
that I can't IM that's not fun me like you said it's fun uh they're [ __ ] I
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mean I'm sorry you got [Music] itate you can't beep it after
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you I need more beer D you like the anti- delay I know I know that's the
1:19:50
that's the delay um all right are there any rumors that the Giants are still trying to trade uh for Stafford with the
1:19:56
Rams that's from giant blue or any other quarterback rumors out there that you know of um no not I haven't heard
1:20:03
anything directly um and um but I suspect they are going to look at
1:20:09
trading possibly trading for a quarterback um I would not write that out I I would not be shocked I I think
1:20:17
um they've G to get somebody a veteran and it just matter it depends on how
1:20:23
they get them and I wouldn't be shocked it's that's what I'm a little bit nervous I don't want to give up a high
1:20:28
pick for a quarterback right now I would only kind of consider it like what John was saying before if you swap first
1:20:35
round picks with somebody like the Panthers and maybe take Bryce young I might consider that where are the
1:20:41
Panthers picking again I don't remember I believe they are sixth I think six or something like that so they're either
1:20:48
six or eight one of the two what do you I mean I mean I haven't been following Stafford situation is see
1:20:56
still see the um Sean McVey came out and said he would like Stafford to kind of
1:21:03
tell them what he plans to do much sooner in the process than he did this
1:21:09
past year because there were rumors that he was thinking about retiring this past year and if he's like thinking he wants
1:21:16
to walk away the Rams want to know that earlier the other thing with that too is
1:21:21
that they've got a they have some space they have some cap it's amazing by the way they're actually better than we are
1:21:28
um but they have to kind of because they do have some big numbers in Stafford going forward and you don't want to keep
1:21:34
that there if he's not gonna be there um so that they want to hear that I'm
1:21:39
curious there's not a lot of veterans that can be had that wouldn't really
1:21:45
wrex the team trading them their salary cap like I had mentioned previously
1:21:50
maybe a Trevor Lawrence with Cohen going there now there's no way that the Jag would even think that it would kill
1:21:55
their cap if they did the Chargers are an interesting one because I'm really
1:22:01
curious where that might go that would be a hard one because boy there are
1:22:10
times when he looks great and there are times when you're like where did that
1:22:15
come from but I'm not even thinking for us as much as I would like it to be I'm thinking the Vikings make a whole
1:22:23
lot of sense if they were to ship McCarthy to the Chargers along with some picks to get
1:22:31
Herbert if you could put Herbert Jefferson and hackinson in a
1:22:36
dome but the but the cap money is huge but the flying the ointment is that too is Sam darnold's playoff performance and
1:22:44
how he looked down the stretch so that would have been easier to to do I think
1:22:49
for the Vikings if they were more confident in darnold as well too I don't think it Darnell's a free
1:22:55
agent yeah but what I'm saying wait you wereing you weren't talking about Herbert going to Minnesota you were saying McCarthy going to the Oh Oh I
1:23:03
thought you were saying because McCarthy would be going there then then they would be free to trade Herbert and some
1:23:09
anywhere anywhere else too so I thought he technically anywhere but I'm thinking there's a connection with McCarthy and
1:23:17
with with harau but remember before darnold's sort of implosion he there was
1:23:24
the vibe was you know what they they may resign him and he may be the future for
1:23:30
a while even with McCarthy there and then the question was then going to be was is McCarthy going to be like the next love in Green Bay and be like
1:23:38
sitting on the bench for a while or would they trade him at that point now I think that's kind of gone out the window
1:23:44
but under your scenario you're talking about you're talking about them getting Herbert yeah I'm talking about McCarthy to the charger for Herbert yeah exactly
1:23:51
but but it would be interesting if they got McCarthy and Herbert had to go some place else then then has Herbert become
1:23:56
available to anyone but again the cap the cap implications for the Chargers is is massive so there really isn't there
1:24:03
aren't really a lot of other veteran quarterbacks to be traded for it there is cousins but he's kind of similar to
1:24:10
um to the car situation the Falcons are pretty much over a barrel you're not
1:24:15
going to get much for him because his contract is so big so if you want to move them and you want to get rid of
1:24:21
that money you're probably going to have to cut them or going to take really low like Pennies on the dollar to get rid of
1:24:29
them and you're going to have to eat some of that contract who the hell is going to be our quarterback I I mean this is where I'm at right now I think
1:24:35
right now Carr's gonna be I Carr's gonna be a free agent Rogers hasn't told
1:24:40
anybody what he's gonna do but the Jets have to do something with him because he's 25 mil on the again again I just
1:24:46
don't and I I don't discount from the talent perspective I just don't see meod signing off on on on him do you well
1:24:53
again I'm labeling who's out there okay you've got Winston which I can't imagine if you won't sign Rogers you're definely
1:25:00
not no see that every name that someone mentions I'm like [ __ ] no that's what I'm saying like so jacobe brassette
1:25:06
there's a few others there is one name that I've mentioned before and I know you practically gag the second I say it
1:25:14
no no no you're not gonna say the guy from Atlanta you're not gonna say um what's his face cousin the Vikings
1:25:21
cousins cousins you're not going to say cousins I just mentioned him no oh no okay the one guy that you gagged the last time I said
1:25:27
it if you could package a deal and it could allow this team to move up I think
1:25:33
Kyler Murray is on is is on the Block I think the Cardinals are willing to move
1:25:39
Murray to get what they really want ultim million quarterback I believe that I could see
1:25:45
that because I don't think they're 100% sold on him boy that would be that' be a
1:25:51
little scary um I still remember that one interception he threw that was even worse than Daniel Jones that one in the
1:25:57
end zone there um was that for the that was in a playoff game too wasn't it that
1:26:03
you know the one that was right near the end zone and it was like what are you doing um yeah let's get to next next
1:26:11
question but of course everybody else is mentioning same you've already talked Justin Fields is everybody's kind of
1:26:16
earmarking felds to the Giants I don't really understand why there's this huge love for that he is I don't think it's
1:26:22
love I think really Daniel Jones part two I think what people are trying to
1:26:27
do and I've done this too they could even beat out Russell Wilson they're trying to find a quarterback that can
1:26:34
hold down the fort that won't cost a fortune I think that's what they're trying to do and Justin Fields might be
1:26:40
that guy um is none of them are none of them just
1:26:45
sound good they just don't what you want to Drew do is the the good news is this
1:26:51
is that there's been a number of reclamation projects in in in recent
1:26:56
times with quarterbacks that you thought negatively and then they went on and
1:27:01
they they've sort of redeemed themselves a little bit so maybe the Giants will lock into that um with the quarterback
1:27:08
Whisperer that is Brian dble because we know he's the quarterback whisper so maybe they'll do that I I don't mean to
1:27:15
sound down guys I just as a as a problem salver I'm trying to think where the hell do we fix this problem where do we
1:27:22
get the quarterback that's why I'm I'm sort of like um don't forget d Ball's backup
1:27:28
quarterback at that time in the last year was Mitchell trabis yeah I don't
1:27:34
want him but but so but if they get somebody like him in and that's their free agent
1:27:41
move that means that tells me they're drafting somebody they're not going to go into
1:27:47
the season with with with DeVito um triski and uh fifth round
1:27:55
third round quarterback if they do that they're if they do that type of free
1:28:00
agent to me that tells me they're going to get someone in in the first round or trade up back in the end of the first
1:28:06
round or do something in the second round that's what that tells me I I I don't see that at all whoever they get
1:28:14
is got to be somebody that can get them some wins or there was no reason to bring day ball back
1:28:21
period well this is what and he's he's been kind of active and I always want to
1:28:26
say Uber Alis but he's got Uber Alias which is a clever plan words he has
1:28:32
brought up before what we talked about earlier is is Mea having a I don't think
1:28:38
this is happening but it I wish it would does he have a more um darker mellan
1:28:45
strategy here to basically use dable as a throwaway right now because he knows
1:28:52
their Giants are going to stink and this he's thinking strategically and
1:28:57
I hope I'm getting that right Uber my problem with that is I don't see John mea being the kind of guy that throws
1:29:04
away a season I don't think you and I would think strategically like that not
1:29:10
saying we're right but you and I would think a little bit darker about that like you know what I know it's going to
1:29:17
be bad so D sorry you're we're and if you and maybe you you luck out and you
1:29:23
do say your neck but I'm I'm playing for for the following year and I think Uber's talked about that and and I
1:29:30
wanted to bring that up because he's he's been asking about that I agree with him but I don't think John not you John
1:29:37
Mera thinks that and I don't think you think John's gonna do that either I I I I don't think he thinks like that at all
1:29:44
I think if anything behind those closed doors the answer was you here's your shot you were
1:29:51
you were coach of the year did you did did you sell me a a you know a false set
1:29:56
of goods you were coach of the year the last two years have been crap okay some of that's my fault because I kind of
1:30:03
pushed you to to get that deal done with Jones to keep Barkley again you know how I feel about that so I'm just gonna
1:30:08
pretend that's what happened and we had the agreement that if you couldn't get your guy and I only
1:30:15
let you pick the three if you couldn't get one of the top three you had to get the best player on the board to help
1:30:21
Daniel and if Daniel didn't make it through we would come back now the season got a little
1:30:26
ugly but you're coming back so what's your plan I think it's gon to have to be somebody better then it can't be it
1:30:33
can't be a it can't be a trabis it it it could be a Jimmy garoo because of the connection to dabs
1:30:41
back to New England before he's a bit a better veteran he is a a more of a higher completion kind of guy but you
1:30:47
also are looking at a guy who gets injured so I don't I don't know if that's the case either I don't have anything in here that can that has can
1:30:54
have a boo I'm going to give you this I don't want those quarterbacks I
1:31:01
I'm leaning on a couple things I think it's going to be a guy that they can build if it were me right let's forget
1:31:07
everything else I just said if you were me you just said this if it were me this is what I would do one I gotta get a guy
1:31:12
that can can take the offense right now even if I don't think he's gonna be there long term I need to know that if
1:31:18
my next part of the plan doesn't work I can run with this guy for a while so that's going to have to get me
1:31:24
somebody like it's going to have to get me somebody like Rogers it might be cousins but he's pretty immobile so that
1:31:30
goes against what I really want um it could be a Carson Wentz kind of have to go with what I can
1:31:37
get but I need a guy that can run my style of offense I sit at three I don't want Sanders I don't care I don't want
1:31:44
him if the if if Carter's there at three I take them but if if there's a question
1:31:50
and somebody's offering me multiple picks I'm dropping back a little bit want to get at least one really stud
1:31:56
defensive guy I'm going to go back in at the bottom of the first and I know a lot of people aren't going to like it but
1:32:01
I'm risking it I'm gonna come back in at the bottom of the first and I'm gonna take Jaylen milro I think he can be the
1:32:07
guy longer term as long as he doesn't have the play immediately then I use the extra picks
1:32:13
from there I'm gonna get a corner probably two corners and I'm gonna get another defensive guy my free agency is
1:32:20
going to be I'm signing T Higgins I need a big time wide receiver on the opposite side of neighbors and I'm going to get a
1:32:26
couple other strategic plays probably premium you would have to pay on Higgins to have him come here though with this
1:32:32
team G mess you'd have to pay such a premium to get Higgins Higgin I'm getting a quarterback I Gotta Throw to
1:32:38
somebody I know but oh my goodness you'd have to almost get like an Aaron Rodgers
1:32:44
to exact by the way if you get Aaron roders here's the deal look at over the
1:32:50
cap if they cut Rogers they actually incurred like a loss of 29 million on
1:32:56
cap space but if they get rid of Devonte Adams they gain back 29 28 and a half
1:33:03
million so essentially it's a wash if they get rid of both guys if you get Aaron roggers I guarantee you you're
1:33:09
getting Devonte Adams now you don't need T Higgins yeah but could you imagine T Higgins going from burrow to the Giants
1:33:16
quarterback situation unless there's somebody well he wants he wants money I know that but it's also going to be
1:33:22
about numbers too you don't want to look he he played with with Chase so
1:33:30
he he would have his version of Chase with neighbors that's the appeal there but we don't have the Joe Burl that's
1:33:37
the I I know I get it look I know it always comes down to money but somebody's other teams are gonna with a
1:33:42
lot more cap space are gonna offer T Higgins money let me let me let me ask you this question how many teams in the
1:33:49
NFL would you say have a quarterback even within 15 to 20% of a Joe burrow oh
1:33:57
God Joe I only think there's like five quarterbacks in in the league that are that are in that strata and yeah so that
1:34:05
leaves 27 teams that don't have that right so then now you go to the next step yeah we're we're I understand that
1:34:13
we don't even know who we have yet but what I'm saying is from we don't have Dave Brown but what I'm saying is from
1:34:19
your perspective though T Higgins can't just decide I'm gonna do that he wants
1:34:24
to get paid oh I know that but he can get I what I'm saying is I think he can get paid plus get a better quarterback
1:34:30
situation I would I look it's not that I'm saying how how old is he by the way
1:34:35
he's got Higgins he's probably 27 26 oh he's still that young I thought yeah
1:34:41
he's pretty young okay well I won't completely discount it I know a lot of Giants fans this this is his first
1:34:46
contract this is his first contract and I just have a hard time seeing some people going boy I want to be a new York
1:34:54
Giant right now with dble on the hot seat and and no quarterback and we'll
1:34:59
see what happens in free agency that but it would have to be a if the Giants land somebody in free agency it's going to be
1:35:06
it's going to have to be in the first night or two at quarterback don't you think it's going to be like they will
1:35:13
have targeted somebody right or wrong they're going to Target somebody and at
1:35:19
midnight we're we're they're going to sign him and I I would think because everything's going to depend they're not
1:35:26
going to go a week we're not going to go a week in a free agency and then then they sign their quarterback it's going to be like I think it's gonna be a trade
1:35:32
I think it's gonna be or trade or trade right it's gonna be it's gonna be um one
1:35:38
of either free agent write off the bat or a trade soon don't you think and if and if and if the rumors that you heard
1:35:43
were true and they were interested or at least they were considering and I've got to assume they reached out too to see if
1:35:50
there was even a path the Rams backed off from where they were when they beat the Vikings on that Thursday night if
1:35:56
they had lost to the Vikings then they're they're pretty much out of things at and I had heard right after that game that that thre a monkey wrench
1:36:04
and so if they've reached out feelers I've got to assume because again John
1:36:10
Mera and Joe Shane both mentioned trade in a weird way that you normally don't
1:36:17
say that quarterback in a trade option they've got to they've got to have feelers out there already I'm kind of
1:36:24
thinking that's the direction they're going to go in yeah but who that's the question that's all right we're not
1:36:31
gonna get through all these questions Qui yeah we wrap it up there's one Kaufman who's a big fan of the show
1:36:38
um has a good question about um besides the quarterback we keep talking quarterback quarterback and caufman I
1:36:44
think you as you know we have to because it's everything centers around it what's the strategy for the other key areas
1:36:51
like wide receiver defensive line and corner back and I think everything's on the table for all of them and you hit
1:36:56
the you hit the you hit the big spots that I think they have to hit defensive
1:37:02
tackle Corner maybe two um and wide receiver because they they don't have a
1:37:08
lot of wide receivers under contract and depending how you feel about you know slayton's probably gone Hyatt certainly
1:37:15
hasn't lived up to it so if you take Hyatt out of the picture then you're you're left with Ford weaton neighbors
1:37:21
and Robinson they're going to really need need to get a wide receiver here so free I see I see them doing things in
1:37:29
free agency and the draft at all of those positions and we talked about that in the last broadcast I think they're
1:37:35
going to double have to double dip at each of those spots because you you're only going to have so much free agents
1:37:41
resources and you're only going to have so many draft picks but I think they've got to get a couple defensive linemen
1:37:47
they got to get a couple corners and they've got to probably um get a couple wide receivers in here so would think
1:37:54
free agency and they don't all have to be T Higgins they don't have to be big pricey guys but they gotta be somebody
1:38:03
that can start or or compete for start that's where I I don't know where John feels but yeah no I I I kind of I'm with
1:38:11
that I would think um I know everybody keeps talking about Graham but uh don't forget Grant as well from Michigan they
1:38:19
they might be able to get him if it was bottom of one if they went back into bottom of one or maybe the top of too
1:38:24
that if he's sitting there he's a big defensive tackle that I think actually has a bigger ceiling than than Graham
1:38:30
does just because of Graham I think Grahams maxed out his his he's a good
1:38:36
he's a great player but I don't think he brings a lot elsewhere where I think Grant certainly can he is a big dude and
1:38:42
uh putting him next to a Dexter Lawrence would be huge I I want us to one of the biggest things that I have a problem
1:38:48
with with the Giants and we talked about it in so many different areas but it's throughout the entire team what are they
1:38:54
what is your identity smart tough Dependable is just an STD and we it
1:38:59
doesn't mean anything on the field it doesn't mean anything on the field what I want to see is I want to
1:39:06
see us to get decide what you're GNA be defensively right what is your scheme I
1:39:12
think if you depending on what you plan on doing then you've got to get players that fit the scheme I think we need some
1:39:17
Corners with some size we don't have big Corners they're small they're a little bit shorter or they're very thin when
1:39:24
you put flat out there I mean it looks like you know it literally could be dental floss you need somebody a little
1:39:31
bit bigger on the outside I would like to see a 62 63 corner I want to see a little bit of size physicality if we're
1:39:37
going to be a tough physical defense I'm okay giving up a little bit of of Flatline speed when we're just
1:39:44
physically dominating people and I think we need to get bigger on the outside yeah that's my issue with the coaching
1:39:51
staff too is is side talked about you've talked about I've talked about other people have talked about what's the
1:39:57
identity what are we who are the New York Giants what are we about what are
1:40:03
and again some of that goes hand inand with winning when you don't hear these kind of complaints when you win because you don't hear anyone say who the hell
1:40:10
are we we got 11 and five record and you want to hear that when you're losing so I get that but it's it's we've said it
1:40:19
before we don't really know what we're trying to do on offense we don't know what we're trying to do on defense and
1:40:26
so that was part of my re reason why I thought the coaching staff was probably on the way out because I didn't feel
1:40:32
like they they created an identity and they created something that we could believe in so it's a really big stating
1:40:40
the obvious it's a really big year for these guys to like they know it they they're not stupid they've got to be
1:40:47
some of the guys that got that left that are leaving and the coaching staff have got to probably feel like they're getting out when the getting's good good
1:40:53
I hope we're a year from now we're going oh what a miraculous turnaround we had
1:40:59
and and what a great year we had and I hope it's like that but right now it it
1:41:05
it looks like a train wrecks coming um and part of it's because what it's not
1:41:10
just we got to get these players to get better the quarterback the wide receiver the defensive tackle the cornerbacks all
1:41:16
these stuff think a lot of the guys that we drafted that were supposed to fix these problems aren't being the guys that we thought
1:41:23
Evan Neil's not who we thought we were Cen tibal is not who we thought he was going to be Deontay Banks is not who we
1:41:29
thought he was going to be so those things haven't pan Jaylen hot these guys haven't panned out J um Schmid's at
1:41:35
Center so now we got that on top of the the coaching coaching of the Year guy
1:41:41
disappeared in the last two years so I want to hang my hat on something and
1:41:47
go all hope isn't all hope isn't lost right now but I'm having a hard time
1:41:53
doing it and I want to be like that because we we have a podcast and again we don't want to be Sheldon Cooper's Fun
1:41:59
With Flags we want to have oh man I had that thing and I didn't even get to it God damn it tuning into to us but it's
1:42:06
like we can't be we can't lie we can't come on here and and be like you know
1:42:11
Baghdad Bob and say it's going to be okay guys you know we're going we give
1:42:16
us something the hope so we'll see in March we may know before March like you said if we trade I mean when can we
1:42:23
start trading is the trade deadline is there tra I guess I have to look up when we you can actually start making trades
1:42:29
um but I technically you can agree to them it nothing is finalized until but
1:42:36
we saw trades last year were announced even prior to the Super Bowl this team's gonna be doing something and it sounds
1:42:41
like that's what's gonna happen they they don't like to steal Thunder from the Super Bowl so I suspect you won't
1:42:47
start hearing that until afterwards but nothing can be finalized until the league year begins
1:42:53
right so who are you rooting for in the NFC championship game you got it's got to be the command yeah you know my my
1:42:59
neighbor super nice guy wrote this really cool thing to me uh at Christmas brought it over to us we hadn't been
1:43:05
able to get together in a while and his his dad had just passed and he's a huge Washington fan I
1:43:11
think I told his story before when he moved in my neighbor before that who I got to know really well and was friends
1:43:17
with he was a Bears fan so we got to commiserate together a lot about which team sucked more so when the when when
1:43:23
my neighbor Mike moved in I met him we talked a little bit we talked a little football and I I had mentioned you know I'm a Giants fan and he had he had
1:43:30
mentioned he was a washingt fan and we just talked a little bit and then one day I'm sitting out on my back patio and his his yard is not not far from mine
1:43:36
and there's a fence between our two yards and all a sudden I'm sitting there going what the hell what is that noise
1:43:41
where where am I hearing this music coming from and as I got up and I walked a little further over I'm like holy [ __ ]
1:43:49
who the hell is playing Hail to the Redskins that's what he was playing on the side so that's how we kind of got to
1:43:54
know each other but so I'm rooting for Washington only because they're the one team I just don't hate as much in the
1:44:01
division because we we've had such success with them and I like Jaden Daniels he seems like a really good guy
1:44:09
and I don't think they're gonna win the whole thing so I'm okay with it I hate the Eagles I absolutely I can't stand the Eagles I don't like the Redskins
1:44:15
commanders either I can't stand that I'm in that area so that's part of the problem is the one funny thing tell
1:44:23
you fans disappeared and now their shirts are back out again you I wear my hats everywhere all the time still I go
1:44:30
to the gym or whatever I'm still wearing my Giants hat those those those Redskins
1:44:35
slash Wasington football team commanders pair felia was gone until until year now
1:44:44
that's back so but I'm I'm rooting for Buffalo and if Buffalo loses then I'm run the roof for Kansas City because I I
1:44:51
don't want anybody in the East to win the Super Super Bowl but I just can't stand watch I mean
1:44:56
every I I've never seen anyone in in my life get as much attention in a football game is Taylor Swift it's like will you
1:45:03
stop showing her I I know I'll say this sing I mean the other thing it's really
1:45:10
weird it's it's really weird in a time so when we saw greatness when we were
1:45:17
growing up right you didn't really know the greatness part until later but we
1:45:22
were we were watching it as it was happening with Joe Montana right Joe Montana and the 49ers and it became
1:45:28
greatness and he was one of the greatest of all time in terms of being successful leading his team winning games yeah but
1:45:36
you don't really know that until later we saw Dan Marino again you're watching greatness but you don't know it until
1:45:41
later when their career is coming to an end of just how great they were right you're watching Patrick Mahomes do
1:45:48
something that Tom Brady just did and you were like wow it's going to be a long time we see another quarterback
1:45:54
string together successful year after year championship after Championship
1:45:59
he's appeared in multiple Super Bowls it's unbelievable what Mahomes has been able to do he winning more I mean he was
1:46:06
that close it's it's crazy to think of to see it do I want them to win no but I
1:46:12
will go it goes Buffalo Kansas City Washington then way down after the
1:46:17
entire league collapses then Philadelphia the Eagles are Satan you can't
1:46:23
can't root for them hate them hate the other thing is I know I know Barkley
1:46:30
isn't is been um he's pretty much handled this with class but oh my God if
1:46:36
if they they win and he's holding up the MVP at the Super Bowl might you might as
1:46:41
well oh I don't know I people need to stop with the whole Giants Barkley thing
1:46:47
he NE he never did these things with the team and I understand but that's not it I mean it's an emotional reaction and no
1:46:54
but what I'm saying is people are complaining like oh we should have kept he was part of a losing how many games
1:47:00
was he have two more wins tops maybe right now but how many games when he was
1:47:05
with the team how many winning games was he a part of by the way he missed a [ __ ] ton of games so don't even
1:47:13
think the biggest story is not just the numbers he's put up he stayed healthy
1:47:18
this year right right because that's what we talked about we said you and said back in September he's going to
1:47:25
have a great year for the Eagles if he stays healthy and if he stays healthy
1:47:30
he's going to put up huge numbers and that's what's happened um but but four of the six years he was here and people
1:47:37
are going to say that's because because the Giants are awful that that's not why he got hurt he got so if you go back and
1:47:43
look at the place where he got hurt on some of them were like he was near the sideline and in Chicago it was the
1:47:48
sidelines he jumped up came down on on the sideline T his Neo yeah it wasn't like he was getting pummeled in the back
1:47:54
field and somebody twisted his leg around or something you know what's even worse about all that he if depending on
1:48:00
what he does in the next two games he could set the record for most rushing yards in a
1:48:05
postseason I mean all the things that you talked about for Mera they're just like that's what I mean it's just some
1:48:11
kind of curse so on that happy note yeah we should probably wrap up the first and
1:48:17
we will try to do these um in the future with fun things like the draft the draft might be fun to
1:48:24
do free agency you mentioned it I think you're right I think we should do that yeah I know I don't know if they'll do
1:48:30
something right at midnight and I don't know anyone will be watching at midnight maybe on the west coast they will well
1:48:35
they don't they can't do they can't do anything until noon on the opening of
1:48:40
when they are they're allowed the tampering begins at noon yeah that's true too because there's the legal
1:48:46
tampering period where where I'll just have to take that day off and just be ready to go we'll go live and just uh
1:48:51
we'll just do that yeah but so we'll we'll have more shows next week they'll be back to our I think I
1:48:58
don't know if we'll do another one live right away I want to see how this one worked out Eric and I are going to try to work out talk about a number of
1:49:04
things that we want to do uh going forward but it's worked it worked so
1:49:10
we're good I hope it looks like people are are seeing us I think I don't know so that worked out
1:49:16
well but so yeah with that uh again if you could please share with other Giants
1:49:22
fans if you know like subscribe that stuff it makes it a lot easier if we have a thousand subscribers on YouTube
1:49:27
it makes it easier for us to to monetize to do other stuff well yeah and the other thing too is if we're going to do
1:49:32
more live things you'll get notified when the live is happening so I I you hear these people on YouTube all the
1:49:38
time say like subscribe notify whatever and it kind of goes in one ear and out the other and I I I'm guilty of the same
1:49:45
thing but if you want to know when we're live you've got to do that so right so
1:49:51
so with that uh we're going to call it close uh and uh appreciate everybody joining us live and we'll catch you
1:49:56
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