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Good-Bye Bye Week For Giants, Devito In Jones Released! #nfl #sports #danieljones #football
Nov 25, 2024
John and Eric are back after their own bye week off. Good-Bye Bye Week For Giants, Devito in and Jones Released. The Giants have moved on from Daniel Jones and that creates a TON to talk about.
John and Eric cover the week that was for the NY Giants. What led up to the moves of the week and how the release was handled by all involved. The Giants may have had this all planned out before the bye. Hearing Jones's statement was a bit odd considering his overall lack of success here.
John and Eric also take a look at what may be happening behind the scenes (conflicting) reports on Daboll, Schoen and Nabers and what that may mean for all involved.
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[Music] all right well welcome back to another
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edition of inside BBI with John and Eric I'm John mcdevit and with me of course senior editor Big Blue Interactive Mr
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Eric Kennedy and Eric I took a break I had to get away for a little bit I had a lot going on you you had a couple days
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off this week things got we're back and holy Cal the landscape of the New York
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Giants has completely changed this week but first uh welcome back I hope you had
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a good few days off I had a good week off in Arizona got away from everything for a little bit so uh how you doing
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good I mean I wasn't really off I had another graduation for my son down in Portmore in um Georgia so I was down in
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Georgia again so he's officially an infantryman going on to the 82nd Airborne so we had that graduation and
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so when I'm down there all this happens so um we got a lot to talk
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about there's a lot of um stuff going on behind the scenes that I'm hearing about so we'll probably get into that um
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anyway I don't know where to be well let's let's start let's start because we did not we didn't do a followup to the
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Carolina game so let's let's start there um that was a horrible game to watch
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um overall I kind of have a feeling you you and I talked about this a while
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ago regardless of some of the other things that we're going to touch on the the way things were going it looked like
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because they kept coming out you know hostage video after hostage video Daniel's our best quarterback he gives us the best chance to win but we kept
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pointing to the bye whatever was going to happen the bye was probably going to decide I don't know I could not possibly
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say if they had beaten Carolina I suspect things stay the same for a while I don't know that to be true maybe you
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have other information on that if they had gotten blown out then maybe the
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whole organization is on is on trial for the rest of the year meaning it the whole thing was bad but the fact that
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there were so many opportunities to be had in that game and we kept coming up
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short from the quarterback position I think that laid the foundation to finally the move to happen so your
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thoughts on on that well look so much of this was still predictable so you and I
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kind of drank the Kool-Aid early on in the summer saying maybe the Giants know
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know something we don't know and you know they get Daniel these weapons and
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maybe he will revert back to 2022 form or hopefully better so we thought ah you
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know these guys know what they're doing maybe so you and I were like yeah we can compete for the division the division's
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not that great um you know Dallas is going to fall back the Eagles may fall back who knows what's going to happen
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with the commanders so you and I were like you know we wanted to be optimistic but yeah I think we kind of knew and
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we've been talking about for months we kind of predicted how this was going so I don't really and I think this is
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fairly obvious where this was going so so a lot of what's going on this week I kind of find a
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little uh not comical but I mean everything that's happened had to H
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everything that's happening this week had to happen it was just a matter of when it was going to happen and you and I always thought the obvious spot was
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the by week and of course I was saying do it before the bye the sooner you do
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this the better right but it always seemed like the bye was going to be the time to do this I have a feeling you
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know how you were saying you had the you have sneaky suspicion that much of hard KNX was orchestrated I have a feeling
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that much of this week was orchestrated because I I was I found it again I was down in Georgia so I had one eye on what
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was going on with my son one eye what was going on with the Giants and when they said they rolled out Daniel Jones
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for the press conference this week the day before they released him I thought well that's
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suspicious I thought that was very suspicious to bring Danel out to try to explain just the it was almost like his
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goodby it was almost like goodbye before they he was going to say goodbye I find
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it very suspicious so I'm not sure I completely buy this Daniel went to the
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owner and you know the owner said you know we're going to let you go kind of thing I I don't know if that and maybe
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that did happen Prof fora I I I don't know if that I just it just it doesn't it seems
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like this was orchestrated to me it seems like this was the obvious time to do it the Daniel coming out early and
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basically saying goodbye to the press and I thought it was a hostage statement um you know I'm going to read this I'm
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gonna read this statement because I want to get this right I thought oh my God and I he again he handled it right but
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so so long story short I'm see a lot of people you know the Giants are a me and
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we will talk about they are a mess but the Giants are a mess of what happened this week I I think this week was planned I think this was this was the if
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if it went the way it did as badly as it did I thought this was where they were
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going to do it I think you thought this is where they were going to do it too so let let me float this out there if you
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if you're John Mera and you always kind of I don't think you properly assess but
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you certainly assess the fan sentiment both for players but also for yourself
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in the organization does it make sense does
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this Theory make sense that maybe John was like yeah we're gonna release him but you're not I don't want to do it
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right away let Daniel give his speech let him come and talk to me and then you
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know under the guys he talked to me and then I granted him so John Mara looks like the good guy of of I'm going to
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give Daniel we want to give him his release we want to let him go versus this was an organizational decision we can't keep him around it's not a good
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look I I do feel that there was because Daniel reading that whole thing it was a goodbye but you you're still on the team
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at that moment by the way just out of curiosity has anybody ever commented what the hell was the scar between in
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across his eye in his forehead may he got hurt playing safety
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so embar this is going to sound mean why are we treating Daniel Jones like he's
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this icon of the franchise he's not an icon look look I don't mean to sound
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like I'm piling on here but he was a terrible football player for the Giants I mean he wasn't even Scott Bruner level
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here I mean you know what I still think I still argue now that you know win loss
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if you look the losses he his career was worse than Dave Brown at this point why are we treating Daniel Jones like this
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victim by some some of the fans are out there going I still and then the franchise to roll out the statement and
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all this and again we're going to get people mad at us in the organization saying this but I I don't really care
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look I before we talk about the negative and all this don't don't you feel like
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the a weight has been lifted a little bit you know so I mean so let's not
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lament this let's not and again let's not treat like this oh Daniel Jones handle I'm just goodbye Daniel you got
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way more money than you should have gotten you're going to write off in the sunset and I don't know what your career
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I wish you well but you know I don't mean I don't mean to sound mean here but
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there are how many hundreds or thousands of players have we seen probably thousands
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of players have you and I watched that come and go from the New York Giants some are good some are bad sure some are
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great some are terrible but we don't roll out you know and I know he's a quarterback but this whole thing with
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him I'm just glad he's gone I just he's I I totally agree um but to to the thing
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you started with I I I'll give an answer yeah he's such a a weird lightning rod
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and and and a lot of lightning rods usually are because of their personality right they attract that kind of negative
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attention or any attention and it blows up sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad Jones has always been a lightning
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rod solely based on his play the fact that the Giants drafted him where they
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did and some people were mad and blamed that they didn't take H Haskins which by the way would have been an even worse
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pick somebody on the site said a few a week ago that H Haskins would have been
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a would have been a better that was an ultimate di dear God so but the it's
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he's such a lightning rod that now that the tables have turned all of a sudden you've got these media people Pat Uh uh
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Leonard is is is a hor one right now about just kind of poking look at how
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Dan was being you wanted him off the team and thought the Giants were a joke for signing him now it's horrible that
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he gets benched I you know ESPN makes mocks them but then other people are mocking the Giants for how they handled
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it I'm like you guys hated him as the quarterback you thought it was a joke you thought it was a joke he's getting
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paid why are people upset in any way whatsoever the other thing and the other
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thing I'll say is those trying to pull that the locker room is falling apart because of Daniel Jones it might be
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falling apart it has nothing to do with Daniel Jones look at Malik neighbors comments when they talk to him he
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basically is just like look whoever's a quarterback I have to get open I get separation I get open I'll catch the
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ball now you do need to catch it when it hits your hands but the fact of the matter is he's not he's not crying I
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don't see ju Del Robinson coming up to the microphones going oh my God Daniel's gone you know everybody you can pretty
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much count on one hand Slayton Thomas Lawrence those are the probably the three guys are like oh Daniel you know
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that other than that this team we we talked about it constantly if Daniel Had
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a Bad series to start a game and that happened often how all of a sudden did the air in the stadium and the sideline
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everything just seem to be like U yeah and I don't care what the players say at this point games yeah you're not
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Lawrence Taylor you're not Eli Manning shut up shut shut up and win some games
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I'm so tired of this [ __ ] exactly who I and I love Dexter Lawrence but I don't
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care win some games I know trying but I I don't I I you know and Daniel's not a good quarterback and anyone with a brain
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can see that he can't score so it was time to move on so I did and the one thing I said and this is going to sound
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mean because you brought it up sure has there ever been a more boring
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player in terms of Personality than Daniel Jones and and at the the one
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position you can't be boring shouldn't be boring he I mean Eli was never Eli's
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press conferences were never interesting just like Daniels they were never in but Eli had a personality and we see that
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more now since he's left so you know that in the locker room and you heard that since you know you heard that that
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he was a cut up in the in the locker room and people loved him and he was a practical joker and all this stuff I
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Daniel's so goddamn boring I mean he's just boring and and the and um
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I'm just glad this era is is over and and again this was the one before we get into other things I just want to again
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emphasize to everybody out there who's freaking out this was so predictable if
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if the Giants were going to struggle this year because of the quarterback they were going to have to
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if they were smart and this is where you can give them credit if you want to give the Giants any amount of credit here we
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want talk about the things they screwed up because they screwed up to get to this point sure sure but if they were going to rectify this they were going to
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have to bench him sooner than soon sooner the better because of the 23
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million doll risk we talked we you and I have talked about this two or three months we said this is they're playing
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with dynamite here but the more longer they play him because if he gets hurt again so they they did what you and I
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have been arguing that they should been doing so we should applaud them for at least coming to the same conclusion
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we're going to Pat ourselves on the back even whether we're right or wrong but we've been saying don't play him anymore
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he's not effective you're taking a risk he's not going to be here next year so why are we wasting time bench him play D
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Vito lock doesn't make sense and that's exactly what they did I don't understand why people are asking for Lock And as I
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posted on the site earlier I heard privately lock has looked like crap in practice and people are wondering
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whether he even wants to play football anymore so um that's another whether
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that's true or not I don't know it comes from a good source so so if that's true then that's another reason why you play
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DeVito at this point but it never made sense to me to if you were going to bench Daniel which we argued to move on
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to lock I would have been happier of lock playing than Daniel but my preference was to get D was to get Tommy
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in here because we can see what one way or once and for all is there anything there going into next year or do we have
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to redo the entire quarterback room which they may have to do they may have to bring in three new quarterbacks next
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year and I think you know somebody brought up a point I don't know which media person it was so forgive me
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um Drew lock was more physically close to Daniel Jones thus in an in-game
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situation of just yanking if we have to yank him out and put him in we're basically just replacing the one guy
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with and he can kind of we can stick to if we have to play the game we are DeVito's a different quarterback you're
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going to play differently with DeVito at quarterback than you will with Daniel Jones you're going to open it up a little bit he's not going to do a lot of
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runs that Jones was doing he's not big enough to do that kind of stuff but you might move the pocket a lot more than
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you would with a Drew lock so game planwise you can kind of stick to the two quarterbacks that way deito becomes
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a completely different scenario but I think he was always third and I think the reason he was third was this you and
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I both know if if Tommy DeVito is standing on the sidelines and he's the next guy in the second Jones started to
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do like [ __ ] the hometown crowd's going to go we want Tommy we want the Vito he just kind of brings the energy and
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people like the local guy I think the Giants did that intentionally I think you and I talked about it if if Jones
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gets removed you're not going to lock there's no point in doing that you're going to DeVito and I know we took a lot
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of crap I know I definitely did oh DeVito's not that I never said he would be but no you and I never said that we
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just said he's another option and you don't know what he by the way he did throw eight touchdown passes last year
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so in theory if we gave the same if the Giants gave the same Credence to Jones if we give you neighbors and w healthy
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and and we get a better offensive line in theory you should play better which he did not but on the other hand could
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Tommy Devito play better than he did last year being a secondy year guy now with better players he's had time to he
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he's not you know he's he's got time to learn he's and last year he he was a guy
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who was an undrafted free agent for God's sakes if he if he's just marginally good
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we we might have a backup quarterback that's really what we're hoping to find out here do we have somebody like you
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just said do we have one guy instead of needing three next year right and again
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there are going to be people if Tommy comes in in place like crap they're going to people going going to be
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especially the people who think Jones got wronged here saying I told you I
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told you I don't care I don't care at this point Daniel was not going to be
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here playing him was a huge risk it made no sense again credit to the Janks now
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not before we'll get into the before but now for saying this is too risky this is going
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nowhere we're done this is and again I think this week was planned out I I just
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I just think this week was I don't think anything the the the impression that most fans have is this was chaos and
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that this was um knee-jerk I don't I don't think that at all again it's not me being a homer here it was me reacting
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to the way again it made sense and in the way the week went PR wise it felt it
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felt orchestrated to me all right so to so if Tommy
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plays poorly that's another data point for the organization to move forward right now the only the only thing that
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matters right now is the big picture we'll get into this too is the bigger I
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mean right now D um Daniel rear miror he you know we made the decision he's gone
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the bigger question is is dble and Shane the right people and so the next last seven games to me
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are a um test for them and a test for the rest of the players on this roster
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and Lock's not going to be here next year the only one who might be here next year even with the new coaching staff is
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DeVito so why not get it's like let's play Evan Neil well let's play DeVito
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let's play the guys that are going to be here or may not be here depending on how they play but let's not waste any more
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time on the people that AR aren't going to be here so that's why they got rid of Daniel now we got to find out can can
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can D coach or do we have a problem here seven games you know a lot can go on
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here is he going to lose really lose the locker room are they going to Rally who we're going to have to find out that and
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then again D Vito is a part of that too what what the what if he comes in and
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the Giants start scoring 20 points a game instead of 14 points a game that you that that would it doesn't sound
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like and through the air and through the air and through the air what if he what if neighbor starts looking good because
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um he's throwing the ball down the field the neighbors again so that's where we're at right now so I don't want to
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hear it it's the same thing that we went through the saquan Barkley stuff with people are going oh we should never let say no we all you and I said saquin Pro
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if he doesn't get hurt saquon's going to have a fantastic year in Philadelphia we predicted that most fans did and now
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fans are reacting and a lot of fans the same some of the same fans who said that are now pissed off that their are
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predictions coming true which again I think emotions are starting to get involved over people thinking using their head right now Sean's doing what
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he should have done behind that offensive line surrounded with that talent and if that that doesn't mean the
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giants made the wrong decision letting him go the the mistake the giants made was not letting him go earlier or
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trading him earlier so they're the Giants are giants are making the right
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decisions but they're making them too late they're reacting too late right now it's the best way that's a good that's a
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good point and and we've said this I've said this numerous numerous times two completely opposite statements can be
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true at the exact same time Barkley with the Eagles is playing
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extremely well he everything's lined up for him that's very true Barkley not being on the Giants was the right move
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like you said they just waited too long to do it they waited too long yeah it's not a one for one it's it was never keep
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Barkley or keep Jones you can tell yourself that all you want they were planning the deal got done with Jones
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and I'll stand by this for as long I know I'm not part of it but I swear to God it all lined up exactly the way I
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thought it might they made a deal with Jones because it's easier to build a parachute out in a quarterback contract
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then it would be a second contract for a running back who wants to get paid well he's not going to give you those extra
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years to pile the money on so you can ditch me after two his numbers might have been in a ball par where people are
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like oh that's the same you gave to single ter not exactly because single ter is a two-year deal basically and
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that's it Barkley wasn't going to take a two-year deal you were going to sign him to big money it was going to be
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guaranteed money he wasn't going to give you the discount so stop that crap that's they they got the deal done with
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Jones and I still don't to this day know who was the main reason was it Shane and debal was it Mara none of us can say for
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that for for honest truth because we don't know but it clearly was the wrong choice but Barkley not being here was
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the right choice has nothing look at Tracy Tracy proved what we've talked about you can get guys lower in the
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draft if you improve the offensive line right you can and he's and he's running well and he doesn't carry the injury
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history that Barkley does Barkley's doing pretty well right now but he's a
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fraction of the cost he's a fraction of the cost exactly exactly so one thing I
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wanted to ask you real quick um and because I want to get to all the other stuff but you said something earlier as
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you as you were leading into the quarterback thing where people were upset and they're going to be upset if DeVito comes in and plays poorly right
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here's my question to those people if the Giants lose let's say
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Sunday 35-1 with Tommy DeVito but would have
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lost 35- 18 with Daniel Jones Is it better or worse or is the
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loss a loss and a doesn't matter if Tommy DeVito plays poorly then all that
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proves is that we did not have a better quarterback on the bench but we still got a shitty quarterback starting the game if Tommy DeVito comes in and plays
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well now the question becomes why the hell didn't you play him sooner well it's it's gonna be worse than that it's
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going to be and I've already seen this it's going to be worse than that again this is predictable if the Giants win
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fans are going to be bitching that we we screwed up our draft pick yeah I don't care if the Giants lose they're going to
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be bitching because they're GNA look bad we lost there this is a no this is a no
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wi how how do you feel how do you feel about that the the direct I know how you feel look I would be way more scared if
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there were clearcut number clear cut quarterbacks at the top and I know some
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people are arguing that there are I would be if if this was like last year's draft and it was clear that there were
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these were the guys I would be a little bit somebody said it who I think I forget who said oh I know it was it's
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like loud mouth on ESPN um Stephen A Smith yeah yes he was yelling that if
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deito comes in here and screws up the the um Giants draft for the second year
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in a row I'm going to lose it something to that effect I don't like the guy but he made a good point it made me actually
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laugh because D Vito could actually in a way become sort of a bad
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guy here in the minds of Giants fans because he cost this J Daniels You could
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argue and he he could theoretically cost us if you're really into one of these you know Sanders or a ward or whoever
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right now is pegged to be up there at the top so he could actually end up being the bad guy because he plays well
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and wins games so that so I know I'm not completely addressing your points but I think it's worse
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because I I think it's a no wi situation and I I think when I do the postgame thread on Sunday at 4:30 no one's going
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to be happy no matter no matter what the result is going to be because if we win people are going to be mad if we lose
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people are going to be mad so me too I me I'm going to be kind of in that boat too so see I don't care about the draft
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position I know you don't yeah I would I would if like well see even then and the reason why and I I wrote it down
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somewhere else I wish I had it right now um the Giants have picked in the top 10
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since 2018 I believe it was in the top 10 and
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and I I counted all the picks so we had multiple first- round picks one year we had three another year we had two so in
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that time frame I believe we had 10 total first round picks not good six of them were in the top 10 in fact six of
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them were in the top seven yeah what is it got us Daniel Jones no I understand
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Barkley no and I know what people will say about last year and I get it I totally understand what you're
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saying but if you equate last year of this year right the the entire quarterback class
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maybe minus Sanders and I'm not completely sold on Sanders is being I don't think he's even in the top three
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of the three quarterbacks the top three that came out there's a lot of baggage there too yeah exactly so and I don't
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and and to be clear because I know BW will call me out on this I don't mean baggage like he's a bad person but you're there's a lot of other stuff that
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you have to consider with him his dad's gonna be a big invol yeah can you imagine have to deal with that his father holy crap so so I don't really
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really care about that per se and I know I'm a Believer and you got to start winning at some point because you do
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have to start winning or every year you're just a losing team hoping to win now I know these are bad games but keep
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in mind the teams that we're playing right Tampa Bay is only two games above us as far as wins go right now they very
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well let's say they lose to us now they might be looking to kind of lose a bunch of games the rest of the year there are
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a number of other teams with two wins there's a number of other teams with three wins we play to Cowboys on Thursday next week they only have three
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right so there's no guarantee even if we lose out we still might not get the first pick in the draft we might not
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even get Beyond number three so you can't play that loser mentality what I
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need to see is what happens if Tommy DeVito comes in and now I'm gonna now I'm gonna ask you a question Malik
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neighbors made a comment so what if Tommy DeVito comes in and all of a sudden some of the things we talked about go back to July go back to early
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August we talked about the P the short passing game has to make Yak yards after catch but those passes have to be on
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time they have to lead the receiver which they've never done what if they start doing that with Tommy DeVito I'm not saying he's great but if he just
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puts the ball where it's supposed to be Malik neighbors made a comment dabs told
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me I need to get my head around quicker because the ball will be thrown with
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anticipation if that's not a shot at Daniel Jones and how he throws the ball I don't know what is but this will be
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very telling if all of a sudden Malik neighbors is making big plays off passes on of the break I heard some we'll get
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into this with the coaching stuff I heard interesting things with the GM and the head coach conflicting information
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but some of the negative stuff I heard this week that really got me down was this Giants aren't real happy with Malik
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neighbors attitude I heard they they they I heard the word lazy used ah which
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uh again coming from one guy but a guy that I respect um I also heard one of the reasons Evan
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Neil wasn't playing was he wasn't he was showing up overweight every time they
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were doing he was he was getting fined for being overweight on a regular basis so we have two top picks here the Giants
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a pick who aren't you know Allin um again I again
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this is rumor so take for what it is so is if it's true with neighbors that he's
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not the Giants are kind of disappointed and and I again this my tenno went up on
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Friday when he didn't practice with a groin injury I'm like oh Christ so we'll see if he plays but he told Jordan ran
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he's going to play so we'll see um is Neighbors frustrated with the
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quarterback situation and that was affecting his pract it was his practice that they weren't happy with it wasn't
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someone on the field it was their his practice habits so but again he didn't practice on Friday so is that a result
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of what's he's just you know he comes from LSU winning program and now he's with this mess with
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a quarterback that can't get him the ball so is that affecting his play but you know you and I have talked
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about before we're not happy with the play of of of uh the cornerback our first round cornerbacks attitude now
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this crap's coming on with Evan Neil and now Malik neighbor so there's this rock again that's developing in the
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organization and that ties in with the quarterback situation I I agree
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so so to me the last seven games to me is the most important thing in the last
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seven games is D here Shane and D is is there a bigger problem here than just
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Daniel Jones at this point right now so we we can talk about this but the point the problem with this is they tied
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themselves to Daniel whether the owner for put a gun to their head or not we don't know but they tied themselves to
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Daniel they tied themselves initially to saquan they made a bad decision and the
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decision ultimately May cost them their jobs and we talked about this months ago too back you know a couple months ago
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that the decisions that they made in 2023 could ultimately they may not be able to overcome it because right to me
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it smells like we're heading in that direction right now unless the last seven
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games they they start you know the defense plays better the offense starts
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looking better um but if the if this if they if we finish with two or three wins
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again and everything we can't score and the defense can't stop the run and we're not getting any turnovers and the
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Special Teams is costing us win I mean so at what point do you say as I
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mentioned in the game preview at what point do you say stability is great but you got to have competency at some point
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so that that's that's where I'm at with this too is and then the players that you're bringing in if they're not giving
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their all that's an indictment on the whole structure too so well you know and
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the thing with uh you just said something that's I think is really important the one thing about Jones when
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you kept putting them out there right the results weren't there but you keep putting them out
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there if if you want to try to hide behind consistency right we just need consistency we need consistency don't
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confuse complacency with consistency if you to me you were being very complacent
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about like H you know we're we're trying you're you're accepting the results so curious and I don't know that you
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have an an I don't know that you have the any information on this so this might be more your
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opinion do you think this was a power struggle with Shane and deall against
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mea to get Jones out of there and it finally took the the game against the Panthers
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or is this more of a Shane and day ball not on the same page and Mara's kind of overseeing
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what's happening but not fully involved I I I get a I'm having a hard time really deciding which one it is that's
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the million dooll question and I don't know and that's where I'm getting conflicting information so I had
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somebody again somebody I respect tell me yesterday that um Mara is furious with
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Shane and Shane's on on thin ice but DA's not but then earlier I was told the
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week before the complete opposite that daes on thin ice and they like Shane and
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then I heard another person say but this was going back um a week or two before
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this that both were were safe I I've said to you repeatedly that I don't care
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what mea says now it's what Maris says in late December and early January because a lot can change between and I
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said this a few weeks ago and I still stand by this I I think this is my opinion not fat I don't know anything I
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think um I think mea
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is easily influenced in this sense that he will react to what the prevailing
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opinion is if we get to January early January and the prevailing opinion among
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the fan base is this whole thing reeks the high heaven we can't stand it anymore he may get rid of get get rid of
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them but I think he's looking for an excuse to keep them because I think correctly he knows that continually to
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change make changes and make changes that's not going to help winning either and that it's true right the counter
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argument again is what we just said but you stability with incompetence doesn't fix anything either so to answer your
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question I don't know it's the million dollar question it goes back kind of to how
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much pressure if any did mea put on them to keep Jones right and Barkley now we
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saw in Hard Knox that he obviously had a thing for Barkley so I suspect he put pressure on them
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back in 2023 to um the keep
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Barkley um and he didn't like letting him go this year how much pressure did
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he say did he did he come to them and say we're not getting ready to Daniel Jones if if that's on him then
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um here's the question to you sure does John mea have
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the ability does J some people don't have this does John Mara have the ability to look at himself and say I'm
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the pro I'm the problem here did he so does if if it come if it would would he
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scapegoat them for his own failings so say John Mara went to them in 2023 and
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said we are going to give Daniel Jones a we're going to keep here on a multi-year
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deal what if dble and Shane said that's not a good that's not a good idea we should should franchise him and what if
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he said no I don't want to do that does would he still scapegoat those
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two guys for for putting throwing them you know for for making that decision for them I don't know that and I'm not
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saying I'm saying that could have happened I wouldn't be shocked if that did happen but if that happened that's
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really on mea that's not on them I think um I think too many people think that John Mar is is pushing the day-today
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decision making that happens with the Giant that he's behind it I don't I don't believe that he is but what about
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the big thing no no no yep no no I'm I'm stick with that one I still stand by the
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fact that I think he wanted Barkley to stay with the team no matter what I think Shane sold him on we can't give
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Barkley a long-term contract we're we got to give the contract to Jones so we can franchise
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Barkley I don't want to give Barkley a longterm if we give Barkley a long-term contract I can't franchise Jones at that
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point because then the Cap's going to be all screwed up we can't give them both contracts that's too much money we'll
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take the risk with Jones we got the buyout we'll franchise Barkley then we'll get him signed later I think
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that's what was probably sold because mea wanted Barkley That's my opinion I have no proof of that but things lined
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up that way mea didn't step in right now Eli
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Manning didn't want to be benched halfway through a game and chose to to
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take himself out of the Raider game back into 2017 that blew up mea stepped in fired
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the coach fired the general manager and Eli was reinstalled as the quarterback for the rest of the season that
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year why wouldn't he do it right now if Jones was his guy why wouldn't he do it right now why wouldn't he say uhuh Jones
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is still the starter you either start him or you're fired well the only thing I would throw in there is is Jones is
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Not Eli Eli Jones I understand that but my point is if if Mara for this whole
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thing all along why wouldn't he continue it the rest of the year because you can always still point to the coaches and
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stuff as the reason things fail yeah well the only thing I will say again again it sounds like I'm arguing this this is the case and I think you're
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making good points and you're probably there's a good chance that you're right I'm just saying that the it was so o
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it's become so obvious that Jones is the problem right that even M how how stupid
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do you have to be at this point the thing that again and I'm not saying DeVito's going to come in here and fix
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it because Devo may not be any good but the team and there people are gonna
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still argue me this is a functional offensive line especially when Andrew was in there okay yes the running back
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is decent the wide receivers are all right this the tight we have a new young tight end this isn't again there are Le
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there are teams all over the league that are terrible that are terrible on offense that are more competent than we
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are on offense you can the Patriots are ahead of us now the the um um Jaguars
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are are are ahead of us in scoring now I'm talking about terrible football teams that's how bad we are we're so bad
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that I don't even still think that Giants fans have come to terms with with
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how bad things really really are the ones that are still clinging to Daniel or saying only if this just Ian this is
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historically bad it was bad last year and it was bad this year and that's why I'm saying D is on the hot seat here too
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because at some point you got to have your coaches at least scheme enough to
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look like some of these other teams that aren't that great either but they're performing better than us I have no
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confidency confidence right now that we can beat any team right now because I I don't think we can score enough points
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now that may change with the veto at quarterback then that's why that's why I'm interested I'm actually interested in the last seven games now because I'm
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kind of interested can D coach can Kafka coach can Devito play what do we really
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have on these receivers that can with speed that again we have all these speed receivers and yet we we can't I assume
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we're we're dead lasts in the league in yards for completion I'm assuming that we would have have to be so that I mean
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so you said you said something else though that I that I I want to jump in
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on when you said the rumors that you heard and one of them one of them was uh maris's pissed at Shane and D ball D
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Ball's safer but but Shane's in trouble and then the other one was the opposite I'll say this if Mara's pissed at Shane
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day Ball's not safe because if you replace the GM unless you move Brown up and you keep things current if you go
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get another GM from somewhere else that dude's gonna want his own coach he's not keeping the guy off two consecutive
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years of of less than six wins my response to the guy that told me that
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Mara's really pissed at Shane and not D
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was well how can you get get rid of the the GM but not the coach and then but
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then I said how very giant-like it would be for them to do that again because how
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many half ass measures have this has this franchise done in the last 13 years you know keeping the GM or the coach or
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the quarterback but getting ready of the other people and it again it's a very giant wife's favorite one my wife's
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favorite um Christmas thing is Charlie Brown um Christmas and in the um of all
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the what is it of all the of all the um what does Lina say of all the Charlie Browns in the world you're the Charlie
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browniest right I kept thinking of this week of all the Daniel Joneses in the
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world you're the Daniel Jones is but of all the Giants and things to do in the world the thing that would be would be
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the again half ass this get rid of one of the guys get rid of but not everybody
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else I mean if they're start all over please for the love of God get a new quarterback coach and GM together on the
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same page right in the history of the changes that you've talked about the one thing that has never been true is we've
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never got rid of the GM and kept the same coach we've kept the quarterback we kept the quarterback we've had the GM
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and got rid of coach and brought another coach in but same GM and the same quarterback but we've never gotten rid of a GM and kept the coach so Dall
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you're the only one out of this shell game that is completely not safe if Chang would it really as a Giants fan
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would it really really really shock you I mean surprise you but would it Flor you if they did that I would not be
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surprised I I I would not be surprised at all if we stayed internal with the GM
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if Brown ascended to GM and Shane was gone then I would think the issue became
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that they thought the problem was day ball and Shane now the question has to be that we have to ask it was day ball
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correct when and I'm asking you to correct me if I'm wrong during Hard Knocks did was dball the one that kept
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calling neighbors a dog he he's a dog he's a dog player he was dble was very
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very very high on neighbors neighbors throughout Shane too or I can't remember
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did we did we hear him just talk about how great the only ones I recall be being very high
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publicly on that show was the wide receivers coach yep able um but I didn't
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get any indication any sense that um you know when when when Shane was walking
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through the options of who they were going to take he seemed to very be very high on on on on the wide receiver he
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didn't see I think they were having more you know which wide receiver do we pick was Lin that and I think they came but
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no I think I think my overall impression coming out of hard KN was D was really lobbying for Neighbors so
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um take that for what what that doesn't mean Shane wasn't on the same page I didn't I I never got the impression ever
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in hard Kno that those two weren't on the same page I never got that not that they would put that in there anyways you know they're not going to show that sure
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yeah you're not going to show that kind of dysfunction so early maybe later you get the director do you think they're
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not on the same page I don't I haven't got any inkling of that I didn't think so it always felt like and I don't want
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to speak for you but I we we've talked about it it always kind of felt like they were sort of walking through the we
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have to keep putting Jones out there until Mara agrees that Jones is
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the reason we're not getting to where we're we're getting and I think this is why the last
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half of this year is so important you kind of touched on it already if D Ball's system and I think he has a
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system is effective it's it's a it's going to be proven that we Jones was the
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reason the system wasn't working that they were kept trying to force things and that they were dummying it down to
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try to take advantage of things they felt like he could do and then he started not doing those things too if
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DeVito comes in and plays competently and he did in a year of which he wasn't
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great I mean he was over his head a lot of times he threw eight touchdowns and three interceptions right if he comes in
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in in again we're talking seven games if he throws eight touchdowns in seven games that's like astronomical compared
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to Jones I mean Jones had 10 touchdowns in two years I I don't think people
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realize how bad Daniel was at throwing touchdowns or not throwing touchdowns
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you well and I think the Carolina game was so eye openening if you really go back in reality it was a microcosm of
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his entire career their opportunities that were there that Flea Flicker people can bash D ball all you want about
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that's that's where the the Dan that was where my I'm sorry I'm glad you not that I'm sorry I sorry to interrupt that was
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the Daniel jonest of Daniel Jones's place that Flea Flicker that's where I
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popped into my head I'm so glad you brought that up because I was trying to think out when did that pop into my head of all the Daniel Jones things to do in
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the world the most Daniel jonest thing ever was that Flea Flicker for God God s
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he got he got sacked because he couldn't decide which of the two wide receivers who were wide open to throw to how I
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mean you can't even make this [ __ ] up and and to top it off he then goes and
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does the one thing that he's now done three times in the Red Zone rolling out
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gets pressure what does he do throws the ball that hits the defender pops up intercepted I'm like
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Jesus Christ you could have just thrown it into the stands you could have just thrown it out of bounds yeah but I don't
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want to move past the the Flea Flicker again because I think that to me that will be the epitome of his career
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because again it wasn't the fact just the fact that he had two guys open and
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he couldn't process which of the open guys but he took the sack on the play
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where where D's thinking if we don't complete the pass we're going to go for it on the next down on fourth down and
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he took that away from dble because he took the goddamn sack I mean and that's
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when if I had you know that his what was it the device he had on the sideline that he threw the year oh that yeah the
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Surface Pro I I mean I mean how do you do that I mean oh my God so oh that was the Daniel
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jonest of all the plays that'll be me his signature play that's a I suspect
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that that was the play that they probably went to Mara and said listen
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this is this is what I'm telling you this is why this can't continue
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because again you can't go well why and I know and I don't I'm not going to name individual people but you you could say
46:27
yeah there's all these plays from all these I get it I totally get it but that moment there I don't care if you're
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Daniel Jones's dad you can't have anym to be like yeah but I mean they were
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wide open like you could see both of them are like what and oh my God and to
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back what you talked about and I'm not making I'm not making excuses for Neighbors because to be quite Frank I
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have not been impressed with neighbors Persona overall I think he carries himself okay in interviews but he you
47:00
know early on he threw the quarterback position under the bus when he was getting they're going to do something
47:05
about quarterback like like he had any knowledge of what the hell was gonna happen he didn't know Daniel Jon's name
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yeah and so and I didn't I didn't again call me the old guy telling you get off
47:16
my lawn kind of deal but I didn't like the look of him being at a concert while you're out with a concussion and you
47:21
can't play you know that's a lot of sensory overload for for a person who's got concussion issues and can't play
47:27
again you know whatever young people do young people things I get that but it just it was a bad look if you're going to be a superstar leader but back to the
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where you were talking about a little while ago how much of the we keep putting Jones out there and he keeps failing horribly does that kind of
47:41
permeate everything and that's the one thing that I've argued with a number of people when they keep throwing out half measures yeah the Giants haven't done
47:48
half measures they replaced the entire orchestrate the the decision makers of the organization they pulled
47:54
them out new GM we got a new coach a whole new coaching staff what's the one constant over three coaches and two
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general managers the quarterback we didn't change the one position that runs everything on the offensive side of the
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ball during the game that's the one thing that we kept throwing back out there year after year and let's take one
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step back and just realize what a horrible twoe period it's been for this franchise public relations wise and you
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cannot dismiss any of this sequan is doing phenomenal
48:27
so he's he's blowing it up that's a horrible look for the franchise
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Daniel got benched and cut this has all happened in the last you know 14 days or
48:39
whatever yeah okay the quarterbacks that they passed on like
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Nicks just he threw he threw four touchdowns didn't he in the game did he did he was off I think he was offensive
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player of the week so um it's been a bad and the neighbors isn't doing anything right now
48:59
because you can what for for whatever reason and so it's been a horrible
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horrible couple of weeks here for the franchise because it they're getting humiliated whether you agree or not with
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the criticism the look again you and I argue it was the right thing to let the bench and get rid of Daniel it was the
49:19
right thing to let saquan go but it looks terrible and it looks terrible to
49:25
people who aren't Giants fans and are are I'm sure like my daughter who by the
49:31
way stole one of my Giants hats when she went back to college I want my hat back if you're listening um um I'm not saying her name
49:39
on this but um she is the one who by the way did the clown picture that Everyone likes from last year so I told her she
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needs to do another one soon um but it's it but but people like she
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she said she she said what is going on with the Giants so I mean so people who
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are casual fans are like um and I'm sure I'm going to hear it from my neighbors
50:03
now that I'm back they're going to be like what what is going on with your team what you know because I can just
50:08
hear them now oh man Eric must be pissed I mean because but I am but I'm not
50:13
because again some of this I knew was going to happen and you knew this was going to happen I guess the one thing I
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would say the the everyone who's listening right now John and I aren't surprised by what happened this week we
50:27
just wondered when the when it was going to happen and everything everything that's happened is what John and I have
50:33
been talking about for weeks now it just this was the week that they decided to do it it's it's um I think that a couple
50:40
of the other things that were a bad look well one thing's not really a bad look if you if you really if you set
50:46
aside your anger with the organization and if you just look at it
50:51
objectively and I still go back to what I said in the beginning I don't think John maror wanted to be the bad guy here
50:57
right what he wanted to be was the good guy I think they knew D ball said well we didn't know we would be releasing
51:03
Jones [ __ ] you absolutely knew you were going to release Jones you just weren't going to be the ones to do it
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you wanted him to ask for it there's a big difference between we granted you
51:15
your release and we just cut your ass after we benched you that's a different look whether it's Justified or not from
51:23
a perception standpoint it's a different look John Merritt didn't want the Giants I'm pretty sure let me rephrase I assume
51:29
John Mera didn't want the Giants to look like we benched them and cut them because that was what we wanted do we
51:34
just wanted him out of the building and that's why I think it's orchestrate that's why I think it's orchestrated I agree I I think you they they knew what
51:41
was gonna happen come on you don't think when Jones gave that thing that his agents haven't already been talking to
51:47
the Giants and they knew that he was going to be let go he just had to come in and ask for it and Grant it I'm
51:56
saying that the Giants may have already made the decision to do everything they did that that that they did this week
52:04
before they played in Germany so they may have said we go to Germany if we go
52:09
to Germany and this gets this doesn't this doesn't change if there's
52:15
another bad performance this is how we're going to map this out and I think saying it's
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been all orchestrated because I don't think any of this was I think I don't think this again again I don't think any
52:27
of this was spontaneous now if it was that's even worse but I don't I don't
52:32
think I think the evidence that it was organized was having Daniel Jones give a press conference a day before he was cut
52:39
because why else would you I said I said to my wife when when they um they were saying
52:47
that they were going to bench him um Whispers that they were going to bench him I said we won't hear from him again
52:53
um and when they did roll him out I thought well that this is weird and then his message seemed to be a goodbye to me
53:00
he was absolutely goodbye and so I I think this was I think and I think again they they either used mea as the um some
53:08
people have argued they've used they they're using him mea's falling on the sword here and being the bad guy that
53:15
you know um so the coaches don't get blamed for this or whatever the bigger question is could the Giants have done
53:21
handled this in a different way that would have not made them look so
53:27
chaotic I don't know I don't care I mean I mean I think the only thing that could be different is you you but you have to turn the clock back much further is you
53:33
don't you don't sign them to the contract that you did oh yeah sure that's well that's the thing the whole
53:40
problem here is this it the whole problem is not what they've done this week it's what they did last year that's
53:46
the problem right they can't and they may not be able to overcome that they they may not and I have said this since
53:53
the beginning of our podcast the damage they did did with those contract decisions May destroy this destroy them
54:01
because because as much as as much as and you've argued you have argued this
54:07
that there may be an agreement in place that they're safe no matter what and I
54:13
have argued even if that there was such an agreement if this gets so ugly they
54:18
may not be able to control it control that's true and that's what I've argued and if we're sitting at two wins still
54:25
or three wins at the end of December I don't know if they can if if they can roll this back and that's why I said if
54:33
they T they tied themselves to Jones they may have they may have and that so it's not this this isn't the sin the sin
54:41
was the original was the original contract and this goes back though to the and you if you don't if you just are
54:47
joining us for the first time or the last couple of times go back to the summer and and you'll see where I've
54:52
said this you and I had this conversation and I said they're done with Daniel Jones this year this is this
54:59
is the this is it and you said well you don't know that for sure and I'm like no I think I think it's they made it so
55:04
obvious during Hard Knocks about how bad they wanted to get away from him I think
55:10
they set they set their sights on three guys you can argue they probably should have forced a pick at quarterback which
55:18
goes against the idea that you don't force a pick but now knowing where we
55:23
are I can't say that those who believe that aren't right because we signed a
55:28
guy that we clearly don't even want to play and we our third string guy you're only doing it because your your hand has
55:36
been forced to do it I that's why I feel like one they knew they were coming back
55:41
that they knew the Jones thing was a problem they got other players they were hoping to get out of the contract piece
55:50
you heard things and again I don't remember if you gave away who so I'm not going to do that yeah you heard things
55:55
about who were looking at as a veteran quarterback as a possible acquisition which goes to the point that I thought
56:02
all along is what they might be trying to do and what I think they're still going to do in the off season I do
56:07
believe it's I want to interrupt you just for one second I know I'm being rude here but you're if the guy was
56:13
right who told me that they were trying to trade for a quarterback before the trade a veteran quarterback a good
56:19
veteran quarterback I will say this that it's also an indication that
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they were done with Jones weeks ago before the trade line deadline I mean
56:30
they didn't just decide this has been brewing this probably like you said this goes back to the summer I mean they told
56:36
us on Hard Knox yeah I me did did did you ever get the impression on Hard Knox
56:42
that they were all all on board with Daniel Jones never I never got the impression I got the opposite impression
56:48
no the the biggest I got to stop because I interrupted you here no no no you're
56:53
fine the the the what what I'm pissed about is this
57:00
they this is a throwaway season and it's starting to feel that way oh it is if
57:06
this season I mean take the record out of the I think some of the choices that they made and some of the things you brought up now I did it to you I'm sorry
57:12
I think some of those decisions I think it I think now it's become we're weeding out some of the
57:18
things we're you're coming back you got to fix this these are the guys we want you're going to get your own quarterback
57:25
whoever that might be and I think Neil his issues Banks his
57:30
issues uh and neighbors attitude now is kind of but I think they all said okay take the one I don't want to use that
57:37
term because I'm dealing with that on a personal level take the one bad thing out of the equation let's start working on what
57:44
we're working on and then get your quarterback but yeah I it's almost like
57:51
decisions have been like you forced the hand to play Jones to prove that he's just not the guy and what a I mean
57:57
that's a stupid thing whole year it's a whole year I just look if if this was again in a vacuum where it was just one
58:04
year out of 13 I think it would be a little
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moreable but now it's just it's just kind it doesn't feel like it's one year after another it's like we're wasting
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time we're wasting you and I are getting older yeah I know no [ __ ] closer to the
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Grim Reaper here I want to have another winning SE before I die it's just like it's like I
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just feel like the I just feel like this was a throwaway season it was it was a
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and the question now is do they throw away the coach in in in in GM are they
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do they see them as that disposable now and um that it's just depressing it's
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depressing to me it's I wonder I wonder if lock I was going to swear I'll just I'll
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just say effed it up I wonder if lock kind of effed up what they were hoping they could get away with when he kind of
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looked really bad against the Lions and then got hurt so he couldn't even continue to practice and play like they
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were hoping maybe if Jones struggles we could just play lock for a while and and because we can get by but then lock just
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looked bad and he was injured so now you're screwed because you can't put DeVito in unless you don't plan to go to
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anybody else afterwards because DeVito's the fan favorite he's the guy people love he's the local guy he's the rocky
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of of coming up and and he could do it but once you do it you can't go back to Apollo Creed you got you gota you're
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screwed you're like well we gotta Ride This Out maybe more Vincent pelli or whatever his name was who play for the
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Eagles than rocky we'll do a little lesser guy but he's he's the Rudy of quarterbacks and so you can't you know
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you can't go back to the guy you you paid a ton of money to who sucked so once you make that decision it's over
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lock was your ability to kind of slide somebody else in that's not going to create a fervor but
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you can play and get by but he scre up there may be something to that it may not even be the injury maybe what that
1:00:05
other guy told me and that they were they're really disappointed in how crappy lock just looks in practice so
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they may wanted to have done what you're talking about but lock doesn't look good and again what I heard was he doesn't
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he's disinterested so um you know so
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that may have screwed it up who knows I always thought was very suspicious They Carried three quarterbacks again and that leads me to
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think that there's something along the lines of what you were thinking so I just think they kind of had in the back
1:00:36
of their heads that this may go sideways on them and they were going to have to do
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something maybe they didn't think it was going to go this bad I don't know I don't believe in those who are who are
1:00:48
arguing that they're deliberately soft tanking I don't think I don't think they're that talented to pull that off I
1:00:55
I think some of the ways the Giants have lost these games you'd have to think it's the um the old
1:01:01
WWF um what is it the WWE now but you'd have to think you know they they choreograph some of this stuff with the
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kickers and the you know missing things and stuff like that so I give Daniel and
1:01:12
Oscar for taking the sack on the flea this team and I and I and I mean
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this and I know some people are going to get mad or make fun of it this team is a marginally decent quarterback away from
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being a five wiish team and with a bulk of other teams possibly just On The
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Fringe of the outside and by the way if some of those wins with a marginally
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decent quarterback had been against Dallas and against Washington all of a sudden we are closer to being in
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contention of of a last SE or seventh or sixth wild card spot with a marginally good
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quarterback but you just didn't have it well they if you look at Who's In Contention everyone's basically in
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contention except us except us I mean that's how bad we are everybody's still
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alive except the Giants and that's how bad we are so so people out there going
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oh come on John that's ridiculous no because first of all the bulk of this if
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you look around the NFL right now it's not really good it there's not a lot of good football being played right now
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there really is Cleveland beat Pittsburgh I know it's just it's not good it's everyone's kind of like in the
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mix except except us so for you to say we're a marginal quarterback away from
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being in the mix is not an Outlander statement because everybody now that doesn't mean we're good good you make
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this team play you know an older team from a decade ago they get their asses kick but that's the way the NFL is right
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now it's just watered down mess there's not a lot of good quarterbacking out there and you like you just said that
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the Cleveland game is just a perfect example all that but there you can go any any any week you can go you know you
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can pick games that you're like yeah this isn't good football so um it's not
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that's why it Daniel is so bad Daniel is so bad and or the coaching staff is so
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bad that we can't even be competitive in a league that that is just not good it
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it's and not and and that's sad it's people are I've seen a lot of people on
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the site say things like um why are you guys getting so bent out of shape over this why you know it's
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just football blah blah blah I'm not that b out of shape out of it I'm not angry about it I'm just it's just sad
1:03:38
it's just it's just sad to see what happened to the Giants and and how far
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how far they've fallen and what's become of them and why they why did they
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tie their six years to this guy who Daniel Jones shouldn't have gotten six
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years he just shouldn't have gotten six years to prove himself if he'd been any other guy at any other position on this
1:04:02
team they would have gotten rid of him long ago so it
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it if you own stock in a company and that company is making a bunch of
1:04:13
horrible decisions and your stock is going down when you're talking to other people about business and stocks and stuff are you probably pissed off and
1:04:19
talking about it and whatever okay we have emotional stock in the Giants do I
1:04:25
walk around all day if talking to somebody else about my kids that I go by the way the Giants no no but we are
1:04:33
talking among fans and this is a football podcast and yes this sucks I
1:04:38
grew up in the 70s watching them play bad and then LT came on LT came on the Giants in 81 they
1:04:47
made the playoffs they weren't great but it was different 82 little weird with
1:04:52
the strike 83 bottom fell out 84 came right back the problem is we haven't had
1:04:57
a bottom Fallout and come right back it's been a bottom Fallout and then we go hey guess what we could dig a hole under the bottom oh got lower it can
1:05:04
always get worse it can always get worse that was your thing and and I kept thinking you know what I think we've
1:05:10
seen the worst D nope nope Carolina was the final nail in the coffin because
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Carolina is a bad team they put a quarterback out there
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who he makes Kyler Murray look like some giant power lifter and they beat us when
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we had so many opportunities like when you hear Rich Eisen who does not do playby playay right very often goes they
1:05:39
got Guys open Kurt Warner's gone they got Guys open all over the field I don't I don't know what he was looking at
1:05:44
there that's a bad sign and I think who was the better quarterback in that game oh if Bryce young was playing for us
1:05:51
that game I think we win the game I I mean so stop whoever's defending Daniel stop stop it stop it's right in front of
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you for God's sake anyway all right yeah one last thing on Daniel I will say
1:06:05
this what are all you guys gonna do now that Daniel's not there to beat up anymore and again I'm not defending
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Daniel but there is in the history in the 30-year history of Big Blue Interactive there has never been a
1:06:17
bigger lightning rod and the Giants have had many many lightning rods there's never been a lightning rod like Daniel
1:06:23
Jones he's gone now you guys are going to go with through withdrawal you guys don't you can't some of you are GNA like
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want to start red bashing him now now you're not they still have John still they still have John Mara it'll be the
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rot from the head and all the family members which by the way I don't know if I totally I
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mean the every organization has people in it that are related some of the other
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people and I know they're there and you want to blame them you know some of the things they said were not wrong what's
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our identity if we don't have Barkley I don't think that's a wrong question to ask it's a true question because you're
1:06:59
not saying you got to keep him it was okay he was the offense now what's the offense we found out Daniel Jones is not
1:07:06
the face of the offense he was the ass of the offense but he was not the face of the offense right so what are they
1:07:12
gonna so this is again and then I know I'm repeating myself a little bit here we should tighten this up yeah
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yep Jones is not there to be the the target so the obvious Target now shifts
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to the coach to me so that's why I think so that's why they're in again I'm not
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saying it's right I'm not saying they should or shouldn't probably should but
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right now they took their Shield away too so this in a way one of the things
1:07:45
that you and I said earlier than we were trying to when we were trying to come up with reasons why aren't they pulling the
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plug on Daniel sooner than they did we always thought the was probably what they were aiming for
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but I was arguing and I think you I think you argued at times they should do it sooner one of the things that we came up
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with was maybe it provides them a shield for criticism you know in other words
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this we we couldn't we couldn't do any better than we could we we are doing
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because of the mess we have at quarterback so um that Shield is gone now so they're they're they're fair game
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now now the the intellectual uh argument would be yeah
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but DeVito sucks too but fans aren't going to react that way the fans right now are not going to turn their ey
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towards the Vito um the Daniel Jones fans may but the fans that now were all
1:08:45
like Daniel's the problem are now going to focus their attention on dble I think
1:08:51
and so you and I think they're smart enough don't know that they open themselves up to that so you got to give
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them a little bit of credit too to to say they did what was best um for the franchise while exposing
1:09:05
themselves the more criticism that's how I feel I think right now I think it's going to be very easy to predict that
1:09:10
the Daniel Jones threads now are going to be replaced by D Brian dble threads I I think I mean I think you're you're
1:09:17
right and and I've said it a couple times I'll say it again all along you and I have felt
1:09:24
Jones should probably be and this was very early on in the season this is after the summer stuff where we were
1:09:29
trying to predict what was going to happen and it just was not happening we we basically said kind of need Jones
1:09:35
needs to go and you got to jump to DeVito and I think the Giants knew that too because again you can't put lock in
1:09:42
if he struggles the fans are going to be just screaming they want DeVito this move was ultimately going to be it's
1:09:48
either Jones or DeVito and lock was the backup once he proved that he wasn't he wasn't the guy and obviously what you've
1:09:55
heard and it seems to bear fruit based on how they've done things he just has not been living up to what they thought
1:10:01
he was going to be he won't be bad I don't think he'll be and there there's no reason too you
1:10:07
can find you can find an average deito could be that backup assuming he plays okay here yeah you're just you you're
1:10:13
not losing anything with with lock so once you put DeVito in the fans are going to be kind of behind him they're
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not going to blame him because there's no expectation on him the expectation is
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now on the coach so I think you're right I also think they picked the by week because we saw
1:10:30
and this is what we tried to talk about a couple of weeks ago it just didn't it didn't work out because you lost to Washington then you turned around lose
1:10:36
to Carolina it didn't matter everything fell out but had they won the schedule
1:10:41
started to line up where they could conceivably win some games you had Tampa
1:10:46
Bay who's been struggling they're a four- win team but they had a lot of injuries New Orleans fired their coach
1:10:52
they're and they're and it's on the it's on the road so you're kind of like okay they you know that that's going to be a tough game for them Indie which was been
1:11:00
up and down up and down up and down they're they're they're no Powerhouse so you have those games kind of line up
1:11:06
Atlanta's no Powerhouse even though that's in their their dome but they're no Powerhouse so you're really tough
1:11:11
games are Philadelphia and Baltimore you have other winnable games yeah oh God Baltimore can you what the game's gonna
1:11:18
be like well now now things have changed now it does become I think they have to
1:11:24
win some games for and and somebody's gonna yell at you sorry somebody's gonna yell at you and
1:11:30
go that's just stupid that's stupid on them if they keep them because this I'm
1:11:35
thinking as you've said that I've been thinking it all along that they've been told they are
1:11:41
staying but if you show the rest of the year reasons to not you've now given the
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okay to be fired yeah and like again I will say this I'm getting conflicting
1:11:52
stuff so some guy insists that you know one guy is not safe the other you know
1:11:58
I'm pissed they're pissed at this guy they're pissed at that guy so so I again I don't know and I again I think a lot
1:12:06
can change we'll have to see I haven't made up my mind right now right now I'm kind of down on both of these guys and it's not because of what happened this
1:12:12
week yeah I couldn't care about this week I because again we predict how can you how can you and I be mad at
1:12:18
something that we thought they should have done and we kind of predicted again the the the the thing that makes me mad
1:12:24
is this was so predictable I mean we saw this train wreck coming it and it's the
1:12:29
same thing like when they hired um Ernie a Cory to be the the the advisor to the
1:12:35
next general manager search you knew they were going to hire Gelman you just saw you saw it coming and that's why I
1:12:41
still think and I may be dead this is the one I may be dead wrong on I still think bellic's Shadow is lurking out
1:12:48
there with with mea I just again I just I I I don't I but I used to years ago I
1:12:53
thought Bill Cower was going to end up here point so I'll say I'll say this because he's going to have options
1:13:00
obviously pay attention just saying I have no inside information not I can't
1:13:06
say that so I haven't heard from somebody who can who knows a little bit but it's way on the outside way way way
1:13:12
on the outside but pay attention to how much more over e over the next six seven
1:13:18
weeks that when bellich does inside the NFL when he makes appearances elsewhere
1:13:24
that he pulls out the old giant stuff the more that starts happening if it
1:13:29
starts week after week another old giant thing is out there you mean like like he
1:13:34
just talks about the like inside the NFL just the other day he pulled out some old highlights of LT and Banks and was
1:13:40
doing how it play defense and there he talks about the giant stuff on other things the more he starts talking about
1:13:47
the giant stuff the more he brings out like old videos and starts talking about as these weeks start rolling along cuz
1:13:53
he could pull out all the Patriot stuff he's had years of championships with the Patriots there's a method behind that
1:13:59
Madness I would not be shocked if at towards the end of the year if this team's really struggling and that dude
1:14:05
is constantly talking about the Giants it might be a done deal and we don't even know well and again I his age
1:14:10
scares me off but I keep coming back to this thing that mea's got to be pulling his hair out if he has if he has to if
1:14:17
he feels like he's got to fire people again he's got to be pulling his hair out like what do I have to do to get
1:14:23
this thing right and I'm not saying the right thing to do I'm just saying if they went that route though who would be
1:14:28
the GM in your opinion who who the hell would be the GM I don't want him to be the GM he was horrible I don't know I I
1:14:35
don't know if in that situation if the GM would be more of a figurehead you know I don't know if they would just
1:14:40
have somebody that just went along with whatever Bill wanted at them I know that's not the Giants way so like maybe
1:14:46
a Scot Pioli or something like that something like that somebody maybe we don't even know their name you know it's
1:14:52
somebody you've heard maybe once or twice when you were were somebody said something but it was like I remember
1:14:57
when they said Joe judge I had never heard Joe judge before I was like who the hell is Joe judge right know who is
1:15:03
that I don't even know who they I maybe that's pathetic on my part but I didn't know who the special teams coach of the
1:15:08
New England Patriots was so um yeah so I you know to wrap kind of wrap this up I
1:15:15
I just think it's an important seven games for the determin I think Daniel's
1:15:20
in the rear vial miror thank God it's G he he's done there are some people aren't going to let it go for a while
1:15:26
but that that's that era is over the bigger question now is what are they going to do moving forward is are Shane
1:15:33
and Dav going to be here are the Giants going to look competent at least competent down the stretch or is is is
1:15:40
is this just going to collapse and if it collapses I don't think anybody's safe now could they be safe sure they could
1:15:47
be like you said there's an agreement in place that they're coming back no matter what I don't know if that's a good thing
1:15:54
because I don't no if the players in the house are starting to
1:15:59
doubt where this is going whatever Mojo they had I think is gone at this point
1:16:05
you're already hearing players are mad at Shane as the GM which doesn't matter as much but if they're star not to
1:16:12
believe in the coaching staff and to me I'm really concerned at the direction of the of the of the defense at this point
1:16:19
because you can you can say point to the reason why there's a problem on offense
1:16:24
we should not not be playing this badly on defense how do we have one interception in 10 games I has that ever
1:16:31
even happened I don't maybe it has but I don't know if that's ever H ever happened in the NFL before yeah but but
1:16:37
keep in mind one in 10 games and it was week one yeah we've gone nine straight weeks without an interception and so
1:16:46
where are the turnovers and people are gonna say bring back week no wink was terrible that I it's like bring back
1:16:52
John Feliciano no stop pining for old shitty stuff because yeah and Wink's
1:16:58
defense was actually ranked lower he just had the turnovers his last and it was only the last half of the last
1:17:04
season here that's he got the turnovers he so people are going well at least he got the turnovers but the run defense
1:17:11
has collapsed there's no if you have Dexter Lawrence and you've got some of the players that we've got on defense
1:17:17
there's no reason our run defense should be this bad and it's it's terrible I just don't believe in the in the I don't
1:17:25
believe in the lineup that we put on the field this weird two defensive lineman and then a guy who's really a linebacker
1:17:31
playing the end it doesn't seem right yeah you yeah I mean Lawrence for first off Lawrence you might say he's
1:17:38
potentially defensive player of the year and I'm gonna tell you what difference does that make he can't dominate a game
1:17:45
at his size and his position because teams can just collapse in three guys on him and make other and if you don't make
1:17:51
plays elsewhere it doesn't matter you've taken him out of the game and what has that turned over the last few weeks I
1:17:58
know I'm going to get totally roasted with what I'm about to say I'm okay if the Giants were to package Lawrence to
1:18:04
get what they need at quarterback not in the draft Yeah but to get a quarterback
1:18:11
or to to get somebody and positioning as well because I just don't think ultimately he's the guy you can totally
1:18:18
build around because by the time you get all those other pieces if you still don't have the quarterback you're still not winning and we've lost all the
1:18:24
effectivess there's a logic to that because of especially because what you just hit the nail on the head is by the
1:18:30
time things turn around where's Lawrence going to be in his career so again I'm not advocating for it but there's a
1:18:37
logic to it if there's an opportunity that no one's safe on this roster nobody is safe on this roster from Malik
1:18:43
neighbors to Dexter to Andrew Thomas to anybody at at this point no one's safe especially if they have to start
1:18:50
thinking we're going to blow this blow this thing up again and and and don't anybody throw
1:18:56
out Aaron Donald as a comparison there's a huge difference Aaron Donald was maybe
1:19:01
285 290 he's a smaller guy quick guy he was muscled up Dexter Lawrence is 340 that
1:19:10
does play havoc on your joints over time and if you're getting beat up on while your team is losing week after week
1:19:16
after week by the time you turn it around that dude might be a shadow of his former self if he can be a building
1:19:22
block and I don't want to trade him I'm just saying if the opportunity was there you can't say no to that this team has
1:19:28
been losing with this guy on the field what the hell difference does it make if you're going to make a big play and
1:19:33
really change you might have to use the one asset you have that gets you the one
1:19:39
piece you absolutely need yeah and we got to have somebody in here who knows
1:19:45
how to pick a quarterback so the bad news with this group is they whether they had a gun to their head or not we
1:19:51
don't know they they resigned Daniel Jones but then
1:19:56
we saw in Hard Knocks that they said wow we really like Jaden Daniels and they like Drake May so you know their
1:20:02
instincts were there but they passed on Nicks we'll have to see what Nicks again I think is I think Nicks and we've
1:20:08
talked about this Nicks has a chance to be to really make the giants look silly but he's in the right s system in
1:20:15
the right situation too um and he's got a really really really good defense around him so that that matters but
1:20:22
again it it we you and I talked about this if any of those three quarterbacks look good right and Daniel looks like
1:20:29
crap and now he's gone that's going to look terrible on this organiz it's been a disaster pr- wise for this
1:20:36
organization it just it's bad and and so it's going to be kind of interesting to see what what's going to happen um I'm
1:20:43
sure I'm sure we're going to have an important um podcast on Monday
1:20:48
because this can go one of two ways after so some people
1:20:53
are saying I'm you know I forgot there's even a game on Monday I mean sorry Monday Sunday um um but this game on
1:21:01
Sunday's kind of really important is I think how Giants come out and play are they are they going to look like they
1:21:07
did against the Panthers or are they going to look like wow there's some life in these guys yeah and I think that's
1:21:12
the big one right it's not even wins or loss per se right in the beginning it's energy is
1:21:19
there energy in the stadium because that's a big deal to mea is there energy in the stadium because starting do we
1:21:26
make some plays does the offense does Neighbors look like a guy all of a sudden that you drafted does wandell all
1:21:35
of a sudden make those third down catches that go for 10 15 yards instead of six and coming up a yard short
1:21:41
because you threw it low and he got or he got the ball got placed where he could run and it turns into an 80 yard
1:21:47
exactly exactly and then there's one other piece that's really really really really important do does Jaylen hayatt
1:21:55
suddenly come back into play where he's getting passes thrown to him down the field and he's making those those
1:22:01
catches right all that all that if hayatt starts producing then you got to say some of
1:22:07
what was holding him back and I get he's got a lot of things he needs to work through because he's kind of a soft player but it's still a matter of how
1:22:15
fast do you run if you know the ball's not going to come to you but how fast do you run when you think the quarterback
1:22:21
might throw it while I'm still 10 yards from where I would normally be when they're going to throw it I got a Sprint
1:22:27
so let's see that energy let's see what happens I don't think Tommy DeVito is the greatest thing under the sun I don't
1:22:33
even know I don't even know if he's competent but guess what the 49ers did not know Brock pie was going to be a
1:22:38
good quarterback till they were forced to play him right and the system Kurt Warner wasn't a good quarterback until
1:22:45
the Rams were forced to play him think of that the system sometimes and you you nailed it just a minute ago we talked
1:22:51
about it over and over again and it's why I argue with people I don't care care where we draft it's who you
1:22:57
draft if if Josh Allen suddenly came out this year versus when he came out of
1:23:02
course he'd be the number one pick because everybody knows how great he is right but they didn't they didn't then though people didn't know Lamar Jackson
1:23:09
was going to be great either and by the way he wasn't a great passer so it's not hugely uh you know unrealistic to think
1:23:16
that a lot of teams were going to pass him they didn't know Brock perie if he were to come out in the draft now if you
1:23:22
knew what you knew he's not going in the seventh round he's going way higher than that but it was but it's the system he
1:23:29
plays in if you took Brock pie off the 49ers and you put him in the eagle
1:23:34
system not the same thing not at all he's not running any of those plays they can't do the tush push he's not GNA take
1:23:40
those big hits he's not going to run he's got to throw and they don't do timing patterns the 49ers do but we
1:23:47
don't know D ball system has yet to have a quarterback other than really Daniel Jones or forced to play DeVito who was
1:23:53
raw's and Tyrod Taylor let's see and the one thing unless it's changing it was again
1:24:00
just something different we know based on last year DeVito will throw the
1:24:06
football down the field he'll drop back he'll hold on the football and take some sacks he shouldn't take but he'll go
1:24:13
he'll drop back and he'll let a rip so like you said perfect uh example was
1:24:18
jayen hayatt Jaylen hayatt better be ready to get the ball because he's going to if he's on the field they're going to
1:24:23
throw to him or SL or whatever they're going to he's going to let it rip down the field and there were some throws in
1:24:28
the preseason that that um The veto made that Daniel Jones doesn't make you've
1:24:34
brought it up before the wheel route they did there ER was a perfect pass
1:24:39
that Daniel Jones can't make so there are some thrs he in you know um we'll see we'll see okay you and I said give
1:24:47
us something to watch now we have something to watch I hope some I think the Giants fans that show up in the stadium will be fired up cuz because
1:24:55
they'll have the local kid playing and um as long as they don't throw an
1:25:00
interception on the first play but then thing is again again it sounds like I'm making excuses for for for Tommy just
1:25:07
remember this is the beginning of Tommy's career this is you know this he's going to make mistakes he's going
1:25:12
to screw up sure maybe the end of Tommy's career we don't know but he's going but Daniel had six years give give
1:25:20
give Tommy seven games at least um and if dall's a quarterback wh ER then we
1:25:25
should see what he can get out of a guy who can do what he wants him to do he might not be the greatest athlete so we
1:25:31
might have to move away from some of the heavy run stuff that Jones was doing but I think we were doing that because we
1:25:36
didn't want him to throw yeah but if he hits a couple of guys in in as they come across in motion and they can catch it
1:25:43
and move forward just that's just such a different feeling than turning around and getting cracked after five yards you
1:25:50
know what would be the final kick in the nuts in a way would be it wouldn't be
1:25:56
but it would be is if DeVito comes in the Giants finish 5-
1:26:01
two and people are gonna go like oh my oh my God what were we doing the first
1:26:07
10 game 10 games so again I'm not predicting that but this you know this
1:26:13
could because in a way it would be good because you'd say oh see if we have a decent C even just a average
1:26:20
Quarterback dble can do this so in a way you'd be kind like okay but at the same time you'd be like well why the hell oh
1:26:28
and the last thing last thing I thought before before my last comment too I'm know I'm throwing a lot out there is um
1:26:35
we can't to I think we have to all be realistic and admit that one of the reasons though that this went down the
1:26:41
way it it it did is legal there was a there's probably a legal reason why the
1:26:47
Giants did not bench Daniel earlier because because of the concerns about
1:26:53
him then alleging which would be true that they benched him because they didn't want to get stuck with the $23
1:26:59
million um hit so I think that had to be a factor in some of this is it couldn't
1:27:05
be that obvious look let's be honest it wasn't a football decision here too if it was I mean they basically said they
1:27:13
went from they went from Daniel was our guy for 10 weeks to making him the
1:27:20
fourth fourth string quarterback behind a guy that signed off the street and
1:27:25
then play safety in practice so this wasn't just a football decision it it
1:27:31
wasn't there was the decision was what you and I have been saying there's a huge risk playing
1:27:37
Daniel here and we're going to get we're going to we're going to get smoked with
1:27:42
another $23 million cat pit if he gets hurt and but if they did that the leag
1:27:48
said you can't do that anymore there was a Le there had to be a legal element to this too in my mind I think the writing
1:27:54
was on the wall too the second the giant signed a quarterback to the practice squad I'm like you already got
1:27:59
three so you knew you knew it was coming um you know and the other and I think I
1:28:05
think you're I think you're on to something there but again I also think it's because he was GNA go from first to
1:28:11
third if you he wasn't going to go second if you take him out and we talked about this before when you remove him
1:28:18
it's one thing to do it ing game which I was really shocked when they did it in game and then put them back the next week cuz I kind of thought well that's
1:28:25
it and then they came back to him but if you do it leading into a game and you take him out he's done there's there's
1:28:31
no going back on the field if it was purely a football decision though I think you could have moved him to Second
1:28:37
so you could have just said he's not he's not a starter but for the remainder of the year he's going to be our backup if something happens to the Vito he's
1:28:43
going to I think it's more indication that it wasn't a football decision that they Dro B I'm not I'm not I'm not
1:28:49
arguing that point but but my point is though once you do that and he's the
1:28:55
highest paid guy on the team right and you've whether you had a gun behind you
1:29:03
and you were told he's our best chance to win yes you know you said that so
1:29:08
many times you're not gonna put him second because your best chance to win you're gonna go you know what this
1:29:13
nothing's working he's he's third string we're moving we're gonna move lock up toito up no no it had to go the other
1:29:19
way around the way that it did I will say one other thing too people need to stop Jesus Christ how many people on BBI
1:29:28
bigblu interactive.com how many people on BBI love to point out people that they will post a rumor about something
1:29:35
that they hate and they go Ah that's so stupid it's not true but then they hear something else that seems completely off
1:29:41
the- wall from somebody maybe they they believe so they start running with it this whole idea that the Giants were
1:29:47
flip-flopping that they might Jones might still be the starter my God that rre of it coming from Jones's camp all
1:29:54
along no no no and and again you can again I we should I don't want to get
1:29:59
into it but I think we've learned in recent years in non non sports related
1:30:07
things that narratives are formed by parties out there for a purpose so and
1:30:12
this is just another area that again and and the other thing that what's makes it even worse are there are people out
1:30:19
there that do not have the best um
1:30:24
uh intent and what I mean by that is they're more interested in generating clicks and generating Revenue than they
1:30:31
are and telling the truth so you have to be very very careful that you're not being manipulated and you're not being
1:30:37
played and you see that a lot on social media right now you you see it in in
1:30:42
politics you see it in all all areas where people are putting out stories because they want people to get riled up
1:30:48
and get angry and get divided and get and and and and so and I and once you
1:30:54
see it once you see the strings of the marionette once you see how it's you can't unsee it but some people can't see
1:31:01
that they're still being manipulated that way and I saw victim to it sometimes too as well so just remember
1:31:07
the person that's feeding you that line may not have your best intentions
1:31:14
they and sometimes too you're looking at things from an eye of what I want to see I'm mad at them I think they suck oh
1:31:21
yeah they suck the whole idea I and one and the one thing that was brought up that you you've mentioned it's not a
1:31:26
football decision I think there actually is a football decision here as well Jones let it come out basically hinted
1:31:34
at it that his side was willing to wave the injury thing and a Giants just
1:31:40
weren't goingon to do that and that tells you they they were done we're we don't you're not going back in and I
1:31:46
think that's the malays that has been created inside he's like if you let him wave it then you've said I don't care
1:31:53
that our results so bad that you can just keep going out there and playing and bring everybody down didn't that
1:31:58
wreak of desperation though that that was sad of desperation it's like please please give
1:32:05
me one more I just want to play I just want to play please I promise the next time I won't take the take the sack I'll
1:32:11
throw the ball again Daniel Jones sounds like GNA pile on he's bad player he's a
1:32:17
bad football probably a great guy he's a bad football player they should have moved on a long time ago um where do you
1:32:24
think he ends up where where do you think he ends up I said to my wife is an Uber driver
1:32:30
but I I don't know I don't I don't know I don't care um I was gonna say
1:32:37
something prob give me a lot of trouble no I would be Sur I I'd be surprised if he went on to have a decent career but
1:32:43
you know the the quarterbacks this league is so devoid of quarterback play but again the thing with Daniel is this
1:32:49
is who wants to sign a quarterback who can't throw touchdown passes or won't throw touch down passes he just again
1:32:56
it's it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen it's hard it's actually hard to be this unproductive at that position in in
1:33:03
2024 as he is with the people that he had around him it's just very weird to I
1:33:08
I I have a weird feeling especially since they just sent Brock pie for an
1:33:14
MRI uh on his arm and this is this be the second time he's had an arm shoulder issue they keep saying it's not that big
1:33:20
of a deal but if you've watched the 49ers the last few weeks it seems like it might be a big deal and he can run in
1:33:26
that offense he I would not be surprised if he goes there because then you can do a lot of RPO with with not to start by
1:33:32
the way I mean just to be somebody's backup San Francisco seems like a possibility people keep talking about
1:33:38
how funny would it be if he went to Dallas and then played the Giants the next week I'd be say they're not interested be like please well somebody
1:33:45
showed that this His Image showed up on their site briefly [ __ ] that was that was [ __ ] I will tell you this
1:33:51
Dallas Cowboy fans the ones that I know think the guy's awful they have they don't want any part of him they don't
1:33:57
want they think he's just terrible they they they they're they're probably upset that we got rid of him at this point
1:34:04
listen if we if we want to solve our potential interception problem I want a guy that I know can't pick us apart in
1:34:10
practice to be the guy to play Because when have you get like man Jones has been lighting it up in practice the
1:34:15
Giants defense can't stop him that's even when you knew what they're playing like you know what the defense is you
1:34:21
know those guys and youis would make a lot of sense for him though and again he would probably be competent if called
1:34:29
upon in short situations if he you know ran the ball there I that would that's a good guess on your part but be honest
1:34:36
with you maybe this again sounds Petty on my part I don't care I I don't care don't care about saquan well I hope he
1:34:42
signed somewhere because we get a little bit of an off like a little tiny offset if he takes a contract somewhere else it
1:34:47
lessons just a little bit yeah I don't think yeah not that the cap matters this year I just to me it's just don't want
1:34:54
to think about you know there's some things in your life you just it's time to move it's like an old girlfriend you
1:34:59
know it's just like I don't want to think about that anymore I don't want I don't want to think about um Daniel
1:35:04
Jones anymore good good luck as long as it's not with the NFC East I don't I don't care you know I go off into the
1:35:10
sunset at this point um if he plays if he goes on and plays amazingly for
1:35:17
another team I would be I'd be shocked oh but I I don't think think so he'll be
1:35:23
in somebody's camp and he may win a job it depends on how bad the quarterback situation is on on that team like like
1:35:30
if he had been on the market this year somebody like Minnesota might might have looked at him I think I think you could
1:35:35
almost count on and I don't know what's going to happen the rest of this year I think I think maybe San Francisco
1:35:41
somewhere else he's only gonna be a backup for half a year for a contending team that doesn't feel good that if their main guy gets hurt we don't have
1:35:48
somebody who can play and you know Jones can play he can he's he's been iness
1:35:53
situation so he could run an offense you you probably aren't getting a lot out of him but you're you as the Giants love to
1:36:00
keep putting out there he's cut his turnovers down way down and if all you're trying to do is not turn the ball
1:36:05
over then you call a bunch of runs and some quarterback options whatever but I think you can almost count on next year
1:36:11
where's the one place that makes the most sense for him if you are looking at it Beyond just production on the field
1:36:18
and that's Carolina he's from Carolina he's from the North Carolina area they're going to need a quarterback
1:36:24
they're going to draft the guy more than likely so he could come in he brings his fan base a little bit his F family
1:36:31
friends you're not expecting a ton and then you you got a rookie behind him that'll ultimately see that I could see
1:36:37
that yeah I you're good you're you see you
1:36:42
you're really good at um looking at the entire league more than I am so I I think you've got a good sense for that I
1:36:48
think that that makes sense that that makes sense the two teams you've already mentioned to me that makes sense but I
1:36:54
again I don't I don't whoes it's just just again six years of
1:37:00
crap you know just H I wanted to be happier about this the problem is is the
1:37:06
situation that we're in it only feels good that it's been removed I don't feel
1:37:11
necessarily better about what's going to happen it just takes the one negative out like I'm actually excited to see
1:37:19
something different that I know Eight's not going to jog out onto the field and I'm going to go here we're going to go
1:37:26
run short pass for less than yardage third down potential sack bad pass Punt
1:37:32
and then here we go again that you could almost count on it week after week there were people that insisted he would be
1:37:38
back next year there were people that there no way that they're going to they're going to bring them roll them back one more year and you and I never
1:37:46
thought that we thought they're not going to do that the only way I thought that might happen is if he had a 22 20
1:37:52
played his way to Renaissance and but even then it would have to be better than 2022 because I don't think they
1:37:59
were completely well maybe they were I don't know that may again the thing that we'll never know which maybe somebody
1:38:06
will write a book about it someday I don't know who made the call on resigning him who
1:38:14
said we're going was it everyone was some was there better way to put this
1:38:19
was there anybody in the room that said we should not do this was there anybody in in the meeting room at at 1925 Giants
1:38:28
way who said this is a dumb decision we should not be extending him um because
1:38:34
if there wasn't anybody in that room that's even worse but was who made that decision it's funny that we talked about
1:38:41
um and we'll we'll we'll tighten it up we we we talked about at the time too that in reality this was a two-year deal
1:38:49
if he doesn't play his way in and that's exactly what it turned out to be um not even didn't even finish the the the
1:38:55
second of the two years um and I still believe that they built it that way I think what they expected
1:39:02
was at the very least it would maintain it would be you know 15 touchdown passes
1:39:07
maybe seven rushing we'll build up some of the other areas maybe the TDS come up here a little less on the rushing so we
1:39:12
can throw more and we'll build the rest of the team and eventually we'll be able to move away from him but that that
1:39:19
didn't happen 23 was such a disaster you had to fix so many different things I
1:39:25
think the wheels just fell off but the two-year thing came into play the Barkley thing complicates it because you
1:39:31
franchised and kept him and then allowed the bad year to happen and then you let
1:39:37
the guy who was still your franchise player leave and you kept the really
1:39:43
expensive quarterback but you were already tied in so anyway doesn't matter um one thing I'll say and I've been I
1:39:48
was think I've been thinking about this in in now looking back on it I I think I I
1:39:53
made a mistake I kept thinking the Giants if they built up around Jones
1:39:59
that his play would rise just because of the other people around him I'm beginning to wonder if his play in 22
1:40:07
wasn't what it was because of the fact that the other guys weren't really known
1:40:14
players either right so there was nobody on the giant that anybody was going I we got to single that guy out or that guy
1:40:20
out other than Barkley possible yeah so he an element of surprise to the Giants
1:40:25
offense like when Isaiah Hodgkins had that run you know no one was like no one
1:40:30
focused on him and so what I think is but but if you think about it right everything gets pulled in slightly so
1:40:37
the reads were easier you're throwing to some guy we didn't we didn't do a ton we didn't make a ton of stuff that's
1:40:42
without a doubt we know that happen it was very simple yeah and now you open the Playbook right here you go you get
1:40:47
neighbors you're trying to open the Playbook and all of a sudden you're going holy [ __ ] this guy cannot throw the ball down the field but they should
1:40:53
have known that because of practice and having their hands on him all through
1:40:58
2022 the co that's the damning thing the coaches there's no excuse for the
1:41:05
coaches they must have known I mean they they dumbed down the offense they and they know they dumbed down the offense
1:41:11
and and a lot of that had to do with Daniel so how do you go into the off season say we we had to dumb things down
1:41:19
and he's not a when I say dumb things down I'm I'm not saying Daniel's dumb I'm saying but his you basically condense The
1:41:25
Playbook you you condense The Playbook so he so if you know that then you know
1:41:31
his limit you have a limited very very limited quarterback why would you invest that much I mean again overthecap.com
1:41:38
did a really good short piece on the the financials of the the deal and how it
1:41:45
compared to other players in the league and why the Giants were dumb to give Daniel that that contract so that
1:41:53
contract's worse than than than we even realize it you know they should why would you give them a contract to a
1:41:58
quarterback that you said you know is limited is my question so so that's what makes me really nervous about Shane and
1:42:04
dble if they made the call if they said we're okay with
1:42:10
this then I'm really worried about them if they had a gun put their their head
1:42:18
then I'm still not okay with it but I I understand it a little bit more so I still think I I think it's the it's the
1:42:25
LA it's the second one yeah but what if it's the first well but here's the reason why I don't think it's the first
1:42:33
if that was the case right if you let's say you're you're you're both day ball
1:42:38
and shame doesn't matter you're either one of the two right if you're committed well let's say you and I are one of us
1:42:44
is Shane one of us is D ball if we're committed we agree we're we want this
1:42:50
guy why did it take till five minutes before before the the hour before we were able to get the deal finally locked
1:42:56
into place so we can turn around and franchise Barkley just might been negotiations last minute yeah but it
1:43:03
went to the very last minute and you still needed to take care of Barkley I think they a franch the question is
1:43:09
would were they was franchising did they think franchising was was were they really intending to franchise
1:43:16
Jones were they were they was that unable I think what happened is this and
1:43:22
again this is just playing it out they knew what Barkley wanted for numbers
1:43:27
already we knew that because the discussions had already been had prior to the trade deadline yes yes and and
1:43:35
Barkley would not agree to a New Deal before the before the the trade deadline and all that and then they and then they
1:43:41
didn't trade him so now you knew what Barkley's numbers already were what he wanted so now you come to the off season
1:43:49
if you were planning to franchise Jones then you signed Barkley to the deal that you that he wanted but they didn't right
1:43:57
I think they I think they knew that their only option to keep what me I
1:44:02
think what mea wanted is you gotta keep Barkley so you give Jones the contract
1:44:08
then if you say you're no want to give Barkley the contract because I think mea would have been fine with either one
1:44:13
getting the contract and the other being franchised but he wanted Barkley to stay and I think Shane doubled down in his
1:44:19
comments to Frank Gore about how Barkley's wear and tearing all this stuff tells me what he was already
1:44:26
thinking about Barkley even in 22 so I think they they said we gotta get Jones
1:44:32
signed so we can franchise Barkley mea wants we got to get that done and that's the prevailing narrative and I'm not
1:44:39
disagreeing with that what what I'm saying worst case scenario is this the narrative has always been the Assumption
1:44:44
has always been that
1:44:50
Barkley screwed the Giants and the Giants wanted to use the
1:44:55
franchise tag on Daniel that's that and that but what I'm saying is how do we
1:45:01
know that they didn't want to resign both of those guys to long-term deals now I hope it's what you think and
1:45:08
that's the prevailing narrative that they were going to use the franchise tag on Daniel because that would have made
1:45:13
sense but but um I just we do we know I
1:45:19
guess what I'm saying is I don't think we know for a fact that they wouldn't have resigned both the long-term deals
1:45:24
and but I don't think they would have I think honestly I think it's I think I
1:45:30
think Shane and and dball in their head had it kind of figured out that you
1:45:36
don't pay a running back and I don't think it matters that it was Barkley or anybody else they didn't want to pay him
1:45:42
long term and I think his injury history too that's a smart move but in order to accomplish the
1:45:50
one-year goal which was obviously keep Barkley try to make a run which I think they in their head they convinced
1:45:56
themselves we're we're able to make a run faster than we probably should they'll fall back on it now that they'll
1:46:02
say you know it happened too soon but that's not the way they did things but you I've said it all along you have the
1:46:09
ability in the quarterback contracts based on matching it against other quarterbacks you can build
1:46:16
in false years if you want to and that's what they did but they've still paid
1:46:22
them a [ __ ] ton just so they can franchise Barkley I don't think there was ever an intention on Shane and de
1:46:28
Ball's I think mea maybe but Shane and dball did not want to give Barkley the contract that he wanted if you gave both
1:46:34
of them contracts long term that you then you've screwed the cap completely and you couldn't get you couldn't sign
1:46:40
some of the other guys and and I'm not saying you're wrong and most people think you're right I'm just saying I
1:46:47
don't know well I will say this if you're right that's not a good look either because it basically means what
1:46:54
the Giants did is they forced something they shouldn't have forced they
1:47:01
basically you know the the thing at that point and you and I have talked about this we're not going back on we we said
1:47:06
this before they should have simply let Barkley walk that point in franchise
1:47:12
Jones they basically and and somebody said on the on the thread on the website today I saw someone post a comment that
1:47:19
said Barkley screwed the Giants I understand the sentiment behind that but
1:47:25
or but Barkley didn't do this to the Giants the Giants did this to themselves because they were unwilling to make a
1:47:32
hard decision they should have when it came to when Barkley said no they should have said what they did this off season
1:47:40
and said we want to keep you we'd like to have you remain a giant for life but
1:47:45
it the numbers don't make sense goodbye and then they franch and then you
1:47:50
franchise J what they ultimately did is they I don't want to use the word panic
1:47:56
but they they kind of panicked and it it's a horrible business decision and it
1:48:01
may cost there's I would say there's a greater than 50/50 chance it may cost them their jobs so they they they they
1:48:11
made it's a horrific it's a horrific decision Wars are often battles are often won or lost before before the the
1:48:19
battle starts and they they lost the battle when they they they they signed
1:48:25
resigned Jones because it was dumb they they threw $160 million at a
1:48:31
guy that they had to dumb the offense down for and they who they probably
1:48:36
still weren't 100% sure about mea might have been 100% sure about because he's a good guy and you know whatever I I again
1:48:44
I want to finish up with this I I don't get why anyone in the Giants front
1:48:51
office thinks Daniel Jones has earned has owed some sort of special treatment he's done
1:48:57
nothing for this team they've more than adequately compensated him for what he's done why are we treating this guy like
1:49:04
like he's some royalty from the team he's not and no one's God bless anyone
1:49:11
who wears a Daniel Jones Jersey ever again I mean I don't I think you own one I I
1:49:17
have well I bought two his rookie a year no I admit it I bought two his year so really funny you're going to be caught
1:49:23
dead wearing one I don't I don't think I've actually worn it anywhere period I did it's
1:49:29
really funny and I'll say this real quick and then we'll wrap it up so so Daniel Jones um against Washington in a
1:49:38
losing effort one good morning footballs angry runs thing and they made a t-shirt
1:49:45
so jokingly I bought it and I was going to wear it I was going to wear it after this episode with it you know after the
1:49:51
Carolina game cu I was going to be like and then I want I was going to wear it today you should have worn it today I
1:49:57
was going to today to go if this does not epitomize his career with the giant warn it he what did he win an angry run
1:50:04
because the Dude will never win some sort of passing yeah you should have worn it today that I I still have it
1:50:10
I'll I'll break it out I'll break it out but um all right so that said we we
1:50:16
we'll end it here because there's a lot we still can talk about as we move forward um so just people know we were
1:50:23
GNA have Dan Dugen on uh I moved it because I know you were coming back and I
1:50:29
it and it was a busy and because he got released that day we had already agreed before that his day was going to be
1:50:35
really busy and I was kind of like n that's asking a lot for a short time so he'll be on it might be the our next
1:50:40
episode or it might be the episode after but Dan Dan's gonna come on we'll bring some other people on we're gonna have to start talking to SAI again and Colin
1:50:46
start talking looking at quarterbacks and other stuff yeah and Colin reached out from from great blue North draft
1:50:52
report he wants to come on and talk quarterbacks so ni I'm I'm all for it so but uh we'll do we'll do an episode
1:50:58
before the Cowboy game I'm I'm thinking maybe Monday or Tuesday you and I all R we'll make sure we can agree on on when it's going to be but we're back we just
1:51:05
had some vacation stuff and you know we we each have different things going on so I needed a little breather and Larry
1:51:11
and um Larry and Matt from Matt want to come on and talk Giants history with us
1:51:17
too so that'll be cool and if you've ever seen Matt post stuff on on X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it
1:51:23
former Giants comment back he's got an army of giants yeah he's got alltime
1:51:29
greats following him they love him because of the stuff that he he posts so that's why I think Larry and Matt would
1:51:34
be per I think you and I just just need to sit back and listen to the two of them yeah and I know a lot of stuff but
1:51:41
you know and I'm trying really hard to get Carl Banks keeps kind of hinting that he'll come on and I know he's a lightning rod right now for a lot of
1:51:47
people who think he's a shill for the organization but you know what the guy knows more about football than almost anybody that we could possibly bring on
1:51:53
so I I want to talk to him I'm curious I don't agree with everything that he says and I I think it'd be fun to get him on
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but we're gonna focus a little bit more on just kind of the players of the current team as we end the year because
1:52:06
and then I think our offseason's going to be really awesome we're gonna have a lot of stuff to do which sucks in a way
1:52:12
because we've become we've become the Washington team we're gonna win the off season baby but at least we'll it'll be
1:52:19
interesting because who knows I mean if Bill bich and I'm not even for him coming on but if he were to come on as a
1:52:25
Giants head coach I mean this the amount of just things to talk about or Mike Vel or if we stick with the coaching staff
1:52:32
but we go get a veteran quarterback which I'm still think I know who it's going to be um I'm all for that so I
1:52:38
think we're just gon to have a lot of fun for the rest of the year but last thing real quick what do you think's going to happen this Sunday what are you
1:52:45
hoping to see Sunday I haven't given it a thought to be honest with you so
1:52:50
um I I think the crowd's going to be pretty excited early on um i' be curious
1:52:57
to see how many show up if it's going to be full or not but I think if they come
1:53:02
out and actually do something early on it could it could theoretically build
1:53:08
you know the th get excited um like you said Malik neighbors might get excited
1:53:13
but if they come out and throw you know there's an interception or a fumble or something like that and it could go the
1:53:18
other way it could go so what I'm saying is I don't know I I have no idea I'm that's what but I'm curious now because
1:53:24
before I knew what it was going to everything was so predictable with this we knew again we knew what this was
1:53:29
going to happen you and I knew what was GNA happen in Carolina and we talked about Bryce looking better than Daniel
1:53:36
but now I don't now I'm going to turn on it because I'm not going to know what's going to happen I'm going to be like yay or I'm GNA be like you got to be kidding
1:53:42
me I I don't know what's going to happen the first offensive play for the Giants is going to be a play action pass it'll
1:53:48
be a fake handoff to either single ter or Tracy whoever starting I don't know who that's going to be and that first pass is going to be a
1:53:55
quick either out to neighbors or it's going to be a quick to to Johnson or or
1:54:00
or wandell but it's going to let Tommy and it's gonna let the crowd go crazy now if you do it and you get sacked
1:54:07
immediately this whole place could just go right now I got a reason to be kind of
1:54:14
interested because now I'm like hey D knows how to run an offense or maybe he
1:54:19
doesn't you know or you know Shane Bowen getting better I so we'll see my my big
1:54:25
worry right now is the defense because I don't I'll tell you this if Shane
1:54:31
Bowen's a problem I don't want I don't want dble back because yeah because that was your choice and by the
1:54:37
way orchestrated is the dumbest thing where you walk in and go hey Shane we're
1:54:43
gonna get this guy he's like third 13th or second that was all choreograph Shane
1:54:50
already knows because he agreed you don't get to just hire coaches without your general manager agreeing to it yeah
1:54:55
that was that was or that was choreograph that was so stupid yeah we're talking about Hard Knocks for
1:55:01
those who don't yes go back and watch that one scene I actually want to go back and rewatch it just to see what I
1:55:07
might have missed for things that have now happened I thought about that but part of that it be so painful so maybe
1:55:13
maybe we'll save a Fredy off season we'll do R and Arlington told me this week he said I was listening to your
1:55:18
podcast love it you guys 45 minutes before you ended it said you were going to wrap it
1:55:24
up we need to wrap it up so so we're we're going to call it we'll call it on that note uh by the way real quick if
1:55:32
you do play DraftKings and you want to roll the dice Tommy DeVito is only 4,000 in for quarterback you can stack your
1:55:38
lineup if you go really cheap at quarterback so anyway so uh thanks for for watching please like subscribe all
1:55:45
that good stuff we're gonna we'll be doing a lot of stuff going forward on on the direction of the Giants and we will
1:55:50
be Daniel Jones free and I think I might call this episode it was a Goodbye by
1:55:56
week for the Giants so yeah here we go all right so uh we'll catch you again
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and I appreciate you listen and everybody uh enjoy your weekend [Music]
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