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Giants vs Steelers Game Review - Jones Now 1-15 In Prime Time! #nfl #football #sports #giants
Oct 30, 2024
John and Eric review the Giants Monday Night loss at Pittsburgh. They take look Daniel Jones (again), the missed plays, the Oline struggles and the defense that was gashed.
They also look at the positives which include Tyrone Tracy and the 2024 draft class, the run blocking of the Oline and the solid play of Slayton, Ojulari and Dexter Lawrence.
What is going on with Daboll? Why is Daniel Jones still starting? What is next for Tae Banks (John wants him out, Eric thinks otherwise) and what QB does John suggest the Giants make a play for here in 2024?
Music intro score credit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsp63GYPcT4
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all right well welcome back to another edition of inside BBI with John and Eric I'm John mcdevit and with me of course
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senior editor of Big Blue Interactive Mr Eric Kennedy and um Eric um I don't know
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yeah we were just on before we started recording and John said to me how do you want to start this I said I don't know
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we're going to going to wing this one so that's where we're at we're just going to let wherever this takes us that's
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where we're going to go we'll try to keep it shorter we know we've been doing this way too long but um they hey hey
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they played better than you and I thought they would um I will say that they had a chance to win this game and
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if you took this if this game was in a vacuum you would actually come out of
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this game saying hey we went into a tough place to play some things went against us with the officials the ball
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bounced a certain way we would have stolen stolen the win here not bad the
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problem is it's not in the vacuum so you know we've got again there were problems on all three phases of the of the ball
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that cost them the game you know special teams obviously that was huge that punt return was was just killer of course the
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officials don't see them the guy running into the punter chose not chose to ignore it um I'm going to be a little
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harder on the defense than most people are going to to he the defense held him to 19 points but I'm a defense first guy
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and I had some issues with some of the defensive play and then um everyone's
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favorite punching bag Daniel had a chance to be the hero twice late and turn the ball over twice so um Tyrone
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Tracy great that he looks like of course he gets hurt but so there's some good things to talk about there there's some
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good things I don't want to be too too negative but it's not we're two and six
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again all right so so what are you before we get started what are you drinking what do you got I got the
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October Fest Fest beer so again staying with the the spirit of the I know
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October fist is really in September but I'm St I'm staying with the the time of the year I went back to the uh Indigo
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Reef Brewing company's wakeup call Coffee blond ale it's uh it's it
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definitely has a a major coffee hit to it since we since again my wife bought a number of things I I kind of have to
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make it all I have to make it all the way through them but I probably wouldn't buy it again yeah but it's perfect for
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today it's it's called wakeup call so
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okay let's go back let's start in Reverse so we let's start today and go
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backwards I am so I don't even know anymore and I I
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used to think I had an answer and I oh you know and I just don't anymore I don't have an answer so let's let's play
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therapist for a moment I don't is Brian dball is he like a prisoner of war he
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just comes out and is reading whatever he's told to read he seems so and the things he says I I I I I really wish I
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wish I even posted it on X today and I I tagged some Giants officials and everything else I want to ask one of these through I don't care which one let
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me interview them I want to ask them real questions I want to ask Brian Dall do you really mean what you're saying
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this the stuff when you say about Daniel Jones when you talk about he showed some fire I'm like oh my God have we slipped
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to that level that we're literally going something he hasn't done in six years he
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showed some fire well guess what the one consistent thing that he's done all six years is lose so he showed fire and we
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lost we looked we we were we were very embarrassed so when when D ball
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talks again this is what I told you you know a couple episodes ago that I kind of feel like
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he's been told and it might not be true down the road but I feel like he's been
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told you're coming back there's a process and that's what he keeps talking about because I can't figure out any
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other reason why you keep doing the same damn thing over and over again and expect us to believe that that's your
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best chance to win I don't know I asked two reporters that we've had on here
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previously if they've noticed any difference with Brian not the weight thing but just personality and they both
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said no I again maybe I'm looking reading into things that aren't there
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but he seems subdued to me and I again I know that happens when you lose but he doesn't I don't know you you're saying
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you've mentioned a number of times that you think maybe he's been told he's
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safe today when he was talking all I could think again again these guys don't get much sleep after Monday night game
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so may maybe it's that I don't know but he just seemed beaten down and sort of resigned to his fate to me today and
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um I don't but I don't know again you and I have talked about this over and over and over again I don't understand
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the the the playing with fate with Daniel at this point they're two and look they're two and six the season's
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over the season the season the season is over they're not going to get back into this thing no we're not getting back into so the danger now again
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is does Daniel get hurt and did you get hit with another huge hit huge hit on
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the salary cap next year we've talked about this over over again to me the risk is too
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great some reporters were talking today again that they and I didn't think of this I should have but you know there
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there there may be the concern that Daniel would file a grievance with the Union if they bench himc if it's because
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of the salary cap but I who cares my defense would
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be look at look at how he's playing but who cares so we have a
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game he's again he hasn't thrown touchdown pass that's another game he hasn't thrown what what is he at four
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still is he still at he has six touchdown passes he has six touchdown passes we had but like an internity I
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don't mean we two or three against Cleveland didn't we and then we had two against Washington so it just seems like
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an eternity since we've thrown a touchdown pass and again the there's the two
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turnovers and I first thought only one was on him but then dble strangely after
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the game comes out and says well that was on Daniel because he was supposed to slide protection over there with the
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tight end and he didn't do it so he kind of threw him under the bus a little bit there and then Daniel confirmed that um
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you normally don't hear a coach do that which again raised red flags from people
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like Matt and SGS who said on the website he he suggested that he's
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slaying the groundwork for pulling him so and the buy is coming up like we
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talked before so again I don't want to make this a whole Daniel thing again well but it's important though but it's
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important because first off that's the thing there's a couple things with that I don't
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understand is it all is it all Daniel's call to bring the tight end over is it
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his call to call him over now Eli on the Manny cast which I did not watch but I saw the Highlight today called it out
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before the play happened as they were he goes he needs to slide the tight end he needs to bring the tight end in motion
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and then go oh no he didn't do it and then boom sack fumble is it all that's
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Daniel's call he looks at it he you're leaving it up to him I'm automatically thinking a couple things one I know
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you're trying to protect with Watt on one side but you you either put the back
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to the other side or the tight tight into one the back to the other or the other way around I don't really care but
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you've got to have both sides picked up illuminor is playing injured by the way we didn't even know if he was going to
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able to play well they also they also said illuminor was expecting the the the
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the help the chip the help so He adjusted his which seemed a little odd to me because You' think illuminor would
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look to his right and notice that there's there's nobody there there's nobody there so so I didn't understand
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that completely I know the peripheral vision isn't perfect but he's got to have a little bit of peripheral vision so um no I don't I I do want to say this
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with you too and I know I'm interrupting but you're you're you were kind of right about this
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I didn't think they would go to hubard this soon playing left tackle for two
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reasons they just signed him you know he's going to be rusty he's not in football shape and he's never really
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played that position he's done it the other side he's the right T really the right side so they really must be like
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either down on audo or they again like kind of like that I've said with the Neil thing they like his upside but they
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don't want to throw him to the Wolves too much because they don't want to wreck his confidence to the extent that'll just ruin him I don't know what
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it is but you and others had suggested move a luminor over there and start
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kneel at right tackle again it's not the perfect thing you're moving with two spots but given
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what we saw on um Monday that might have been the right thing to do because hubard was a disaster over at left
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tackle so right you said that you said that before the game you said I would move alumor and and and and play
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and again Neil against watt would have been oh geez I don't know about that either but but then again it' be
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interesting what do they do next week against Washington do they I do they still stick with hubard I think you kind
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of have to at that point I mean because it would be embarrassingly bad if you went three straight games that you just
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played a different left tackle again you got to have some kind of consistency and you got to Hope Washington doesn't bring
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the same Rush here's a funny thing though I I I want to get back to where I was
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credit for no I appreciate that it's not it's not on you you just mentioned something that I wanted to bring up how
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many times have I said why don't we play Neil as the jumbo tight end at least a little bit just so
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he can get his feet wet right what is the thing that they did last night in
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the one and only freaking experience the guy has you throw him out on a two-point
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conversion there's Evan Neil standing out there no idea what to do he's looking over at everybody else as was
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every everybody else including dein singer who apparently is the only guy who was getting thrown under the bus for
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not knowing what I'm like there was nobody set on the outside to block no no no and and and I heard I think if I
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heard this correctly Devon was a little bit worried about because of the lined up he he wanted to make sure he was set
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with the official because he didn't want to get flat the whole thing was messed up I I I you can't even blame one person
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and this but like you said it to me I I'm not throwing Daniel under the bus on that one it seemed like everybody out
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there wasn't ready I mean I don't well if he snapped it too soon that would be that would be part of the problem do you
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even like going for two there I didn't I I don't like doing that I kind of assumed that's what they were gonna do I
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don't have a pro well let me time out before I go and say that I normally would not have a problem if day ball
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this was day ball of 2022 all right 2022 day ball is gonna do that he's going he's gonna do that we did it against
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Green Bay we did it against the Titans when we need to do it he was going to do it it makes sense ultimately because if
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you get it now a touchdown you're you're good if you if you don't then you just
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need a touchdown two-point conversion a tie the game and and you're fine I what I didn't like was the fact
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that I looked over there and there's Evan Neil like you don't use him for anything
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and you put him out to stand very away from the line a very unnatural position
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for an offensive lineman to now be standing out wide where he's got a and the guys are and you're not in your
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normal confined area you don't even play him as a jumbo tight end I'm like so
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they said he said D said it was one of their most practiced plays and it looked like something they had never practiced
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that so right right there right there when he said that today I know I lost
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all Faith now in Brian De ball completed before I was kind of on the edge with him and Shane I'm was a little more okay
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now I'm beginning to think that Jesus Christ go turps might be and we made ages just get rid of everybody how can
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you say that's a play that you practi so much that almost nobody knew what to do
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yet your motto is smart tough Dependable stupid stupid timid and depressed fits far better I just thought
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his demeanor today in his press conference again again he's probing he's probably operating on three hour sleep
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so maybe I shouldn't be reading too much I just thought he he was a beaten down man today I I do you get the feeling
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he's forced to play Jones do you do you get the feeling that the edict is you're playing Jones until you're no longer until you're no longer uh In Contention
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it I I would not discount the possibility that you I'm not saying it
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but I would not discount the possibility of what you said earlier about a hostage video because that kind of came across a
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little bit today almost like you know there just his demean again if people
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haven't seen it watch the video and it's and don't pay attention to the words just pay attention to his Dem demeanor
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and tell you in the comments section you guys can tell us if I'm way off on this
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maybe I'm looking for something that's not there I just thought he he seemed worn down I mean let's get big picture
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is this m we can talk about the ins and outs of this game and there were problems on defense problems on offense the Special Teams thing was a disaster
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but the thing is is that this is yet another time the seventh time in eight years the Giants are two and six or
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worse at the halfway point which is that's almost hard to do I mean that
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that's just it always like our season's over by Halloween but there's the proof it is I mean that that's just and I
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don't the big picture is this is is what I said when we did our preview is we've
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got nine more of these beatdowns coming maybe we beat Carolina and maybe we steal another team but most of these
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games are going to be like this oh we almost won or we're going to get clobbered and I just don't know how they
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survive this because you see how we are now what are we like I said before what are we going to be like when it's
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December 15th I mean that's when I don't know how they're going to get out of this and if God forbid people are going
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to take this the wrong God forbid we win a bunch of games in December that mean nothing and then we're
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picking I know 16th in the draft I know you say don't worry about that well yeah
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well I don't know I'm kind of hedging my bets slightly on that one um I know how
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this ends I I like to pride myself on being able to predict things that are going to happen this I so there's a
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couple things right away that that bother me well let's let's finish the game part and then then the team because
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we are going to keep this a little bit tighter so a couple things with the game thing bother me um sticking with Jones
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for a minute uh there's a couple of highlights that are shown the interception Theo Johnson breaks free
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I'll say that Daniel made up his mind already that he was throwing it over to the to the back the second any pressure
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started to come if you look at the way it was if he kind of just moved forward slightly because the pressure was building in a pile on one side and a
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little bit to the left but in the middle he had a little bit of room but I think he B I don't want to say panicked but I
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think he assumed the pressure was going to come right through he slid more into it now so when he throws he's throwing
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it over the top of players and then threw it it's just I think he needed to rush that throw he didn't and and Theo
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Johnson becomes wide open and I saw some other people go you can't throw it to Johnson they only had so much time left
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but you absolutely can Eli Manning would have thrown that to that guy in the middle they would have rushed down they would have spiked the ball there still
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would have been about 18 seconds left and you've got multiple plays to the end zone to go from there oh yeah there 42
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seconds I mean was like we were and I want do want to say this I want to set this up he did a really good job of getting them into that position so it's
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it's a damn shame he completed five of seven passes I mean when they started at the seven yard line I thought he was
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going to throw the interception there I thought this game's over I started a game thread I mean the postgame thread I know people were like oh wa did the NFL
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start caring about if a knee touched a fraction of a second before the foot out
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of bounds on a play that didn't even gain a first down I don't know I'm like is it that important like you were like
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oh we're gonna review that I'm like review it he caught it why are you R and then like that was weird but but they
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got I mean the thing is is he got them in position that he got them he got them
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to where they did where they need to be we were they were there at the 35 right
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something like that 35 yine with 42 seconds left and um they were moving the ball and again they
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would have had to get the two-point conversion and I don't have a lot of confidence of them in doing that and then getting in overtime and winning the
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game but he did what he needed to do and he threw a terrible pass and it and it
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was picked off so it's just it's it's the te's again it's the te's and then
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the the you know and walk there there were four yeah
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there were four drives that ultimately decided this game for the Giants there were the two um after the half where we
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we go down and then he takes two sacks he should not have taken that put us out of field goal range so we punt the ball
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we force another punt we get the ball again we start going down through we
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can't get anything from that either then ultimately we end up punting they return the PT for the touchdown you can say
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maybe they rough the kicker not I'm going to say quite honestly if that were us and we got called for that I'd
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probably be pretty pissed that they did cuz he kind of fell under the leg and then the kicker the puncher kind of
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falls on him it's borderline but again you just knew sooner or later
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something was going to happen but then we come back it's the two drives at the end the fumble on the sack that that
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again Daniel and it's been admitted he didn't move the protection the right way or whatever a a really good quarterback
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does then it's the interception he and like you said he did what he needed to do it wasn't great it was fine Steelers
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were giving up a lot I I really think they basically just said go ahead we're going to let you try to move down the
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field because we know you're not getting into any Endzone I think they I tell he proves otherwise teams are going to give them that kind of crap go ahead and use
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the clock go ahead well I think they made some plays though like the play to the Johnson was a good play that was a
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great catch it was a good throw because he generally doesn't throw it to a guy like that he doesn't and that was a good
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play and the sideline catch it was I mean so I I I want to give him credit where credits do at times but again they
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had a golden opportunity after the turnover to tie the game and he blanked
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the bed and that's just and then they he got him in position down to the end and then he blanked the bet that I mean that
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winning teams with winning quarterbacks don't do those things sometimes again philim has done
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had moments like that Eli Manny like that but they also have had the
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two-minute drive that dramatically wins the game and he just doesn't he just doesn't do that and the two passes that
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I really didn't I didn't like one absolutely didn't like the second
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one is a lot of people are going to focus on the wrong thing the first one is the one to Slayton where he breaks free Troy Aman calls calls now you can
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hate Troy Aman like Troy aan I don't really care which way I think overall troyman does a pretty good job he knows
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what the hell he's talking about yes he's a cowboy Homer and all that good stuff but he's he's smart about what
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he's talking about and he basically said what we all say Daniel has to see the guy be fully open he doesn't anticipate
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he waits for him that was interesting he said that and he almost got slate and killed if you look at how Slayton got
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hit and where he got hit under the shoulder that could easily dislocate your shoulder and you'd be out that was and he had because he had to jump if you
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throw that ball just as Slayton makes his move and starts to go around you anticipate and throw he's catching it
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moving forward with one-on-one with a defensive back where he could put a move on him and possibly score instead he's
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turning around jumping up and he's fully exposed to get hammered that's I want to make an addendum to that before we move
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on because I'll forget this is the time to trade him right now slayton's coming off that game this is the time to trade
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him if you're going to trade him trade him now because his his stock after that game to me is as high as it's going to
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be because I thought slon played a really good game and you're City and you watch that against that defense you
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might say hm you know we'll give you a third round pick or second or Houston who just lost uh Stefon Diggs for the
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season oh that's a good point too yeah so I mean again if someone comes to me and says fifth rounder no but if someone
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says third rounder depending where it is you know
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again not I hate SL slay's gonna walk I would take the fifth I would take the fifth Runner fifth really you're not
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going to get a lot based on the trades that are out there that you've seen so far you're just not you're not getting because he's also a free agent at the
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end of the year so you're renting him for a for a certain amount of time we drafted him in a fifth round I mean this is a guy well I'll come back to that one
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the second the second throw the second throw was the neighbors one where he's coming across and he drops it should he
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have caught the ball yes very similar to when we said Slayton should have caught that other pass and that um W Robinson
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should have caught the other pass and in a couple other games the problem is when you go back and look at it and
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especially when you watch it from behind so you watch the all 22 version of it so Theo Johnson's breaking out late Jones
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is never ever looking at Theo Johnson by the way he's already made up his mind he was going to neighbors no matter what
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Theo breaks free that's after the fact I'm just throwing that in there for so he's clear but where Theo breaks if
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Jones waited a half if he didn't already decide he was going to neighbors if he dropped back because he wasn't under
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pressure and he waited just a second Theo Johnson broke open there was nobody in the middle of the field if he had done it but doesn't matter he had
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already made up his mind you've got a receiver now so basically we're going so from my direction heading this way so
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from the right side the receiver's breaking in hard from the right you're the quarterback so you're turning and
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throwing in that direction if he's breaking in you got to lead him if you
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Peg it at him he has to slow down Aman called it out he has to slow down he
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does and the ball's down at his hip should he have caught it yes if you throw it in front of him and and the
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reason I bring that up I'll say this go back and look at the Highlight I want to say it
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was 2016 2014 15 something like that when we
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played the Ravens and Eli in that late game against the Ravens Nails Odell on
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the slant and he's gone he breaks through gone he catches it moving forward you don't see Beckham having to
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go backwards and reach down to his thigh he's catching it in his hands moving forward yeah Daniel doesn't lead these
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guys he throws it at them long story short and you've made this point over and over and over and over again is he
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doesn't make it easy for his wide receivers so now the counterargument is it's these guys are getting paid they
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should be making the tough catches but your point which is valid all along has been you can make things easier for your
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wide receivers and not hard for them and you can increase the the success of a play that instead of it being a 10 yard
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gain where the guy gets tackled maybe he's catching it on the run and he's going for 70 yards or 80 like the
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Beckham play that you just mentioned absolutely absolutely so yeah and and there were a number of throws when I
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went back and I didn't I couldn't rewatch the whole thing I just um but
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when I went back and I thought man if he just had thrown the ball in front of the guy or why did he do that with Slayton
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you know that those kinds of things and it just keeps popping up so again there's that we can keep hitting him
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over the head for that that I just keep coming back to the thing is he's got this Aura of I can't get it done I
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I'm not the guy I'm not I can't take the team down the field and I can't throw touchdowns you can't throw I mean so and
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then you got the injury thing and I think we all know I mean I I think you
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felt you felt this way all along he's not coming back right he's he's not coming he's not coming back he's not coming back so to me at this time at
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this moment you're just you're gambling for and I don't know why what what the upside is to this for for the gambling
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again maybe it's this fear that Daniel Jones will will f a complaint with the Union I don't see I
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don't know how they I don't know how that you can't you're you're two and six you haven't thrown a touchdown pass at
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home you you you're you're one in one in 15 in Prime Time
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games I don't care I don't care I don't care I care oh my
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God 15 Prime Time games oh my God I don't I don't care whatever reason you want they don't have to have a reason to
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not play you oh I know that but that's the only thing I can one of the reporters brought that up yeah somebody
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brought that up I don't remember who brought I'm not buy I'm not buying that at all what I I don't know what the other reason is well I do wonder
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if is it noticeable with everybody else on the team and it sounds like there were some
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questions asked I can't I think it was Pat Leonard and I know he's a [ __ ] stir but he was asking questions is it
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noticeable on everybody else on the team that DeVito and lock aren't anywhere near good as Jones if that's the case if
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they if the team believes those guys are horrible we'd rather just stick with this guy at least we're in the game if
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that's the case then I guess I understand why you just keep throwing them out there I just don't understand why you put yourself in a position to I don't understand why you keep three
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quarterbacks in the roster if you feel that way well get put the other guy in the practice squad and if somebody signs
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him big deal and you bring in like somebody else that was in Camp with you and so what's the big deal at that point
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it doesn't pass the smell I think it's up here I think it's up here that's the only other thing that's out there is you
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know is it up here but I didn't get that sense from hard knock but you suggested maybe it's been choreographed well I'll
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say this who I don't remember who told us I think it was
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dintino that the cameras were only in certain spots and the Giants they they knew where the cameras were well we
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never had the conversation about the quarterback you mentioned that already yeah so some of the conversations just
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were never there and even the stuff about would you trade up for this guy would you trade up for that guy I found
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it very interesting that the guy that they mentioned very specifically was Jaden Daniels and not May and they
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didn't say may but that was the guy we were actively pursuing with the with
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Washington and I almost feel like that was intentional to be like no we really
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wanted Daniels we weren't really chasing anybody else because we didn't get him because they knew when it all came out
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what ultimately happened no I could see that too no I that that entered my mind as well too so who knows I so so at this
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point you're Wheeling a guy out there you keep saying he gives us our best chance to win but results say that's not
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true so it if you lose to Washington you're two and seven you're gonna go
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over to Germany and we're borderline gonna lose an ally just because we're sending we're sending over the Panthers
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and the Giants with Daniel Jones and maybe Bryce young who knows the probably one of the worst
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games you could possibly do by the way is it ironic that a league that doesn't want you to go for a first down is
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sending Machine Gun Kelly over to do the halftime show yeah I I saw that and I'm like you gotta be kidding me you I'm
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bringing up Daniel Jones's Pro by the way I'm Gonna Knock the NFL here the NFL.com site has turned
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to [ __ ] the last few years the site to go to is pro football reference I tell
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you how bad NFL I don't know who's running their website over there but everything over there has turned to garbage I mean there's anyway anyways I
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won't get into that's for another day all right so I'm on with with with uh
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game logs I want the game logs I want here we go yeah this isn't good yeah you're
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right six t six six touchdowns five interceptions and we're we're halfway
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through the season and he's got six touchdowns and no no rushing touchdowns which is another big strength of his
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supposedly is you know his running a billion what no rushing touchdowns so you've got a grand total he's accounted
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for six total touchdowns in eight games he's not wildly turning
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the ball over but that's been his Mo since his rookie year when he was throwing touchdown passes but he was
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fumbling the ball after that he got the mistakes coached out of him but he also got the touchdowns coached out of him
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somehow and that's never come back and the guy just can't score and um I this
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is really important this is this is um really technical stuff a lot of average
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fans don't know this but scoring touchdowns for a quarterback is kind of important you have to be able to throw a
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touchdown pass in order to do well in this league and that's I know that's up there but he just doesn't do it and and
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it's year after year after year and deito came keep saying this DeVito came
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in and he threw touchdowns last year I just just move on anyway let we sh talk
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about some other things I do want to talk positive Tyrone Tracy wow again this draft class is actually looking
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pretty good given the crap that's going on around them but again fil Johnson keeps flashing real ability here um we
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Andrew Phillips got burned for a touchdown but I still really like like him but he was also playing slightly out of position too they moved him to the
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outside a little bit and asking a lot of a guy who he also missed some time in the middle of the season I I'm fully
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happy with that well that'll happen he's a rookie too but I like our draft class and I think the needle's pointing up
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with with some of this I think if if if it wasn't for all the other the losing
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if it wasn't just the constant losing I think we'd be actually feeling pretty good about things in other areas of the
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team so and some of this is just bad luck now the Andrew Thom if Andrew Thomas plays on Monday we probably win
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the game maybe um I think he was really
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really missed missed Monday oh I'm I'm not disagreeing I don't know if Andrew I mean um Daniel the quarterback still
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needs to be able to get you in the endzone yeah so that's why I'm hedging my bets on that but Andrew was really
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really missed in that game and I still think tibal is being really really miss even though Aziz again had a really good
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pass rush performance but my problems on defense were this I want to get that because I want to keep this tight was
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this we went this is a credit to Ms out there who who I've given a lot of [ __ ]
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to in recent months is he's been arguing that the run
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defense has been crap and I've been saying it hasn't been crap except for the quarterback runs but now
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we have two games in a row now where the run defense against the running back
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wasn't good and some of that was scheme because they they ran against our nickel but the the the Steelers ran way too
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much against us especially in the first half um you can't win like that and then they the Steelers off the play action
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killed us because we were so focused on trying to stop the run at that point which is why you run the football cuz
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you can do play action so they had too many they had five drives that were either like 60 yards or close to 60
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yards or more thankfully they we had the the bend but don't break and then I also didn't like we gave up three or four
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third and long plays including the touchdown so we had them third and long and we we gave
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up killer completions including a long 43 y there was a 30 something yard in there and then there was a 29 yd
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touchdown and there was a screen pass in there for on Third and 12 just too many
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too many conversions on Third and long um interestingly well both both teams it
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was we were 0 and seven both teams were 0 and seven in the in the red zone so they scored their touchdown from the 29
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but both teams just couldn't score in the red zone that I thought that was interesting yeah you know the we're
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pretty thin defensively uh the secondary is pretty thin um Nunes roaches is a
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waste of space on the he made one play that I mean there was one play where I was just shaking my head going what the hell are you doing I thought I thought
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that Watts guy that we brought on played some solid run defense and I thought Davidson played a little bit better run defense in the second half of the game
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um but we're limited we know that we have we have Lawrence and then next to him you're kind of it's a hodge podge of
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whatever we can put together I you really see the difference of not having Tibido playing out there
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against the Run um oari is not a good run player um the
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linebackers but again if you told if I told you before the game that we would
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be missing all these players yeah and on defense and for the most of the most of
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the first half and into the well into the second half we would hold them to nine points offensively you take that
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and our fifth round draft pick at running back is going to run for 140
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plus seven seven yards a carry twoo are we winning the game if I told you all
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that stuff you're gonna go yeah we're winning the game well remember I predicted we wouldn't score any points
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so our quarterback our touchdown was a 40 plus yard run running back I'm like
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oh my God we can't now the man Herz one is really disappointing and I've watched it multiple times I'm still not really
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sure I guess neighbors went kind of set then didn't set I don't know it that seemed ticky tacky to me on that one but
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it is what it is the illegal man downfield on on hubber that was that was an obvious one he was way downfield
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that's fine the the the formation stuff though you're getting too goddamn cute if you can't get lined up you really
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lose the S part of your STD if you're not smart and we were pretty stupid we can't even line up properly right there
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were 11 penalties and if you were going to be fair Pittsburgh had two touchdowns that came back one because the guy could
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get his foot down and the other because of a penalty too so I mean so we could we could play that game but you're right
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we're 99 and then that punt happens and but they got back in it yeah
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a chance and it's just again if this game was in a vacuum if this was a oneoff game I wouldn't be devastated
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about this I wouldn't be like stuff like this happens this happened under Parcels this happened under Coughlin this just
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happens the league is like this but it's it's just a continuation of the same
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issues that we've seen the scoring problems um and I I just I just have a
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hard time seeing any wins with Daniel at quarterback at this point because I just
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and now with Thomas hurt too because I don't know how that's going to play out with left tackle and that's another reason why I'd get Daniel out of there
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because at some point he got hit 12 times in that game last night there was a there was a sack where he got brought
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down he went down kind of head first he got up moving his neck around and I was
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like I was like and I posted that I was like did you guys see him like moving his neck around afterwards he got driven
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head first down into the ground I was thinking oh there we go if if by the way
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some point during this week they they there's like some sort of like he has a neck or a stinger it was from that play
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just saying it just go back I saw it I watched him go down you remember where that was in the game I'd like to go back
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oh I'll look for it later I'll look for it later we were going left to right uh on the screen I want to say it was in
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the first half okay don't worry about it don't wor about but anyway you you go back and you see it you you'll see he's
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moving forward through the line he gets grabbed I think it's cam Hayward that brings him down and he goes down head first and uh and he gets up and he's
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twisting his neck and I was like oh [ __ ] that's not good um because that's the that's your worst nightmare is that
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injury thing yeah so we've talked about Daniel we could beat that up we'll talk about like going forward like we have
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been on another episode uh Deontay Banks again I'm GNA say this and then I want you just to talk about
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what you think happened last night I don't know what I don't I kind of agree with Dan Dan dougen on that I'm not sure
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I think it's I think here's what I here's what I personally think what happened in the last game was
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really bad yes you and I said he should have been benched for this game and it was so bad
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and I think they were probably going to bench him and then we had all the injuries and they were like short-handed
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they're like uh I don't know then the game happens now we don't know what the conversations are like we don't know
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what was said to him but the fact that you've got your captain of your team one of your captains of your team talks
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about how he talked to him and he can't do that stuff going forward that's Dexter Lawrence you got your head coach
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talking about it your position coach talked about it weeks before and we saw the position coach go
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ape [ __ ] in the Eagle game when the play H the first big play that he didn't do
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happened I don't know which play it was that brought it it sounds like d ball got pissed on the one with na Harrison I
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know a lot of other people are like he has to go low nope he Dove at n without
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even looking at him or anything he put his shoulder and just Dove you have no idea what you're even diving at you're literally just diving n didn't hurdle
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him like jumping six feet over him he just jumped over him it could have been that I just didn't see it as an egregious sort of but I think that was
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the start of it I think that I don't know what the conversations happened on the sidelines it sounded like that at
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some point Dexter sced and it was on the play In The End Zone It ultimately got overturned because apparently the same
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foot coming down twice is not the same as two feet which is weird but whatever it worked for us and that Dexter ripped
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into the defensive backs on the sidelines and when that happened supposedly Henderson got involved as
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well I just think what I said previously and I stick by it and I will say it
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right now about what I think he is the person on the team that I like the least he's the person on the team that I would
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be okay if we traded him tomorrow and I know I know I'll let I'll let I'll let you I'll let you say it but here's
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the thing I'll say you cannot teach heart and he does not have it look I I I
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again the odds are that you're probably right but I just think he's too
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young and too talented and this team's got too many holes to give up on Talent at this point I just I would I've seen
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him do things last year and some games this year where I thought the guy's a
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heck of a player and then he's had those plays that that you're referencing and I'm like what what the hell is that so
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I'm just I I won't if we're gonna give Daniel Jones six years I'm I'm gonna give I'm gonna give Banks three years I
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mean that's just the way I am and I hear that and I hear that argument but I'll say this they are not the same the the the
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issues are not the same Daniel Jones sucks at his job that's one thing he's
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he's tough he's Dependable for as far as showing up he's likable because he tries
41:29
really hard all that good stuff he's just not a very good quarterback right but I but see I think all players have
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gotten I think all players whether you want to admit it or not have gotten into situations where they've quit I remember
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watching ah but he's quitting early in the games he's quitting early in the games
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no no no I see that's where I disagree he's DeAndre Baker entire defense and I think quits the wrong word when not in
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his case but I think the def there there's a let down and I think the entire team had a let down in the second
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half of the Eagles game I I I I really he let down before that though he was
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listen I I hear you and I know I'm being a little bit because there's there's something about but I'm I'm very old
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school about how you play the game and about the way the Giants have always played the game you can't have a guy on
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your team that's supposed to be one of your top players he's supposed to be someone we're supposed to build around and he shows no heart but don't you
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think wink was old school regardless of what you think of wink don't you think wink was old school yes and I'm glad you mentioned
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him because and wink loved loved loved Banks exactly love Banks and who's not
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there right now well his guy so yeah that could be part of it too I that
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could be part and the other thing that could be part of it is they're not playing the same kind of defense that
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bank Banks is a press man corner and I'm not saying that the Giants aren't running any press man but they're more
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not way different defense than last year a different defense so again but that doesn't go into the heart thing so I
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again I've heard Lawrence Taylor admit that he quit there there's remember he he met he quit at the end of the Dallas
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game in 86 and when we lost the opener he he said I he said I was now that's
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different than what you said he said I was tired he said because there's that play where they her walker on the draw
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and Lawrence just stands there and lets him W right behind that whole team was worn out on that that that night and
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that's different than what you're talking about you're talking about earlier in the game and he is DeAndre Baker part two he oh God no no no no no
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absolutely is so I'll say this by this time next year first of all DeAndre Baker DeAndre Baker was a criminal and
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DeAndre deand out of the league if we cut K Banks I'm not saying cut him but
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no I'm saying if we cut him every team in the league would put in a waiver claim for him every team would put in a waiver Clan I don't want him cut trade
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him this time but if you cut DeAndre Baker no one would pick him up I
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understand he had all those other issues he's not the same it it is but this is the first time we've actually really
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disagreed it is the same because if you go back in one of those games where DeAndre Baker literally didn't even
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bother to try to tackle the guy he just ran alongside him go back and look at the same thing with with with uh Banks
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going against the Barkley on the running play and then later on the hers on the Herz run he didn't try either one of
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those he's literally just standing around I think he made decisions even in this game he whed on pickings a couple
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of times you in in a month to two months may be 100% correct so I'm not saying
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you're wrong I'm just saying I would not give up with give up I would not and I would not unless somebody came into if
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somebody came to me right now and said second round pick maybe I'd listen but
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no yeah I mean yeah I I listen I know I'm being a little over the top about it he rubs me the wrong way I know he do
44:54
you might be right well you just can't wrong I'm just saying look I've always said when things when when you lose
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things look way worse than oh sure when you win they look better than they are
45:07
so like again 19 uh 2022 when we were eight six and two
45:12
things looked better than they were and then and then um we can name a lot of
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other Seasons where things just looked looked awful with the Giants and they really W I still contend you put a
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different quarterback on this team with Andrew Thomas not being on IR this team
45:28
could contend for a wild card I still I still believe that but quarter can't throw we have a qu again we were there
45:36
were two games this year that we got blown out the Minnesota game right and the um the Eagles technically
45:43
Philadelphia but I mean in reality you didn't we didn't get blown out till the end of the game when it was we just weren't doing I'm not I'm gonna play I'm
45:50
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt I mean it could have it could have been 147 at halftime but that we
45:55
got called back on the offensive pass interference so it ends up being a field goal yeah so but you
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you make a couple of the other plays we're we're in that game I don't think we win well actually I'm not gonna say that I don't know but let's assume
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that's a loss let's assume Minnesota's a loss I'll say this I don't even care that Andrew Thomas is out and I'm gonna
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drop I do no I that that's not what I mean oh I still think a better
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quarterback last night wins the game we win Russ if if Russell Wilson is our
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quarterback last night we win win if we switch quarterbacks we win the game and
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they lose I think if you took Justin Fields off the other te last night his Mobility would have and he throws almost
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as good as Jones throws the ball he's not he's not a super great passer either that's how low I'm willing to go but you
46:44
give me how low are you willing to go you give me Sam darnold we win that game last night you give us Matthew Stafford
46:51
we win six out of our first eight games that's how good and and I I I say
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Stafford because I was mentioning him before anyway because he was a guy that was my ultimate plan a few weeks ago
47:03
when I thought we might go veteran I still think you look at what he's done with the Rams and their offensive line
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has been reshuffled over and over and over again they've been playing guys that they just pull them in and airplane
47:13
and he's still why because he's quick with the ball he knows where to go with it he's tough too by the way being tough
47:19
is not like some sort of singular Jesus Danel Jones is the only tough quarterback in the NFL they're all tough
47:25
they get freaking drilled it's what you do with the ball that ultimately separates the quarterbacks from just the
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guy who's going out there to the guy who can win right he doesn't have to be great by the way Patrick Mahomes is not
47:38
playing great but he W he plays well enough right now his guy and he gets it to where it needs to go and they're
47:44
winning he he's thrown a bunch of inter but you trust him in the clutch too that's the thing absolutely on the line
47:50
and that's what I was trying to get at earlier with Daniel Jones at the end of the game when the game is on the line
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line he had a chance to be the hero he got them down there but then he fell apart so I want to again I want to
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highlight that positive real quick too we and I know you thought they were a little bit overrated with the run
48:08
defense but we ran rough shod over a run
48:14
defense without you I mean we had what did he have 147 like 145 yard 20 carries
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7.3 yards per carry um almost had two
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runs for 11 yard we ran for 157 yards against them and that includes Daniel Jones three carries for one yard I so he
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brought the average down so so so our running game against a really good defense was outstanding last
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night I feel still feel pretty good about our wide receivers if Andrew and Thomas was on this offensive line i' I'd
48:50
feel pretty good about our offensive line so where's the problem that where
48:56
why aren't we scoring quarterback again anderw Thomas not being there I still say that's big but oh sure but I mean it
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doesn't change the guy who's behind the line is and on defense if Tibido is there and we have another you heard me
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say since the preseason we were're a defensive tackle short and we're obviously a corner maybe two depending
49:15
on how you feel about Tay Banks maybe another Corner short so we know where the issues
49:21
are the the biggie the elephant in the room is the quarterback position how when where do you get Daniel's
49:28
replacement and for the love of God get him out of there before he gets hurt I I said it before if he gets hurt seriously
49:35
hurt I'm going to come on this podcast and I'm I'm G to have a John Mara moment with the chair behind me I'm gonna like
49:42
this going what are you thinking because that's that's how this can really bad
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yeah and it's it's uh it's to the point right now where even die CS like us like
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myself I I you you know how I feel about I feel like we need to win games and start building some sort
50:07
of I want to feel good about it on a Sunday I but Daniel Jones I just don't I
50:12
just don't feel like it consistently could happen regardless even in a game and again it's it becomes a I know it's
50:19
it's a Daniel Jones bashing thing right at the moment but the problem becomes everything that happens in a game is a microcosm of his entire career right are
50:27
moments where you go oh man he can do it and then there are moments where you're like that wasn't the greatest and then there are moments where you're like what
50:33
the hell just happened how you think and the problem is the middle part of like
50:39
well and then what the hell it far outweighs the few times where you're like well that was pretty good and
50:45
pretty good we set the bar lower and lower because I saw some people on the site were saying he's had a really good
50:50
it's a Daniel Jones really good first half I mean we had nine freaking points that's not really good but that's what
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I'm so that's where and Sai has talked about that too stop moving the bar lower and
51:02
lower and lower because now we're getting to the point where it's like moral victories I didn't I think s even
51:08
use that phrase It's not we're not looking for moral victories we're looking for victory victories and he's not getting so let's go full circle
51:15
unless I that cut you off no you're good this goes back to your point though so
51:22
why why are they sticking with this and that's the that's that's the big question again the the aam's razor
51:31
answer is they think he's the best chance that he gives him the best chance to win I I I have gone on record over
51:38
and over again saying it's not working something try something else because it's not working plus the injury thing
51:45
but like you've said you you get this hostage video vibe and I'm starting to pick up something too about you know
51:53
again maybe I'm reading into something so the question is when where how do they make the switch
52:01
and do they do they make the switch and is it the bye like we were thinking I can't I don't what I never thought it
52:07
was going to be this week because of a short week we talked about that earlier because it's a they don't have enough
52:12
time and so the buy is still the obvious you know we got commanders Carol Carolina in Germany buy
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and I argued that you know going in the I and it was too bad the buy isn't before Carolina because that would be
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perfect because then you give him an easier opponent the new quarterback an easier opponent sure um which so what do
52:34
you think I I don't I don't see I I don't at this point I am so lost at what I think they're thinking we've had you
52:42
and I had this conversation some of the conversation will stay with you and I but some of what well some of what we
52:48
talked about was there was I started to have a feeling that they might become buyers at the deadline oh yeah yeah we
52:55
can't that especially if especially if listen if if you start looking at next
53:01
year and I know some people are saying the Giants blew it this year they didn't take the quarterback they should have taken one you know but they didn't and
53:08
now next year it's looking like you might have to on a lesser crop I'm not going to get into that at the moment but
53:14
let's just say let's say they start thinking that they're like um we could take a guy but that guy's actually a
53:19
little bit less and he's really going to need to sit around we don't want Daniel to be the bridge to the other guy
53:25
because that is so toxic right now now you just can't this year is it so who do you get do you go and do it ahead of
53:31
time do you do it midportion this season and get that v in there table Yeah and
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have them next year and now you can draft in the first round or maybe you draft in the second round or you draft in the third round because you have a
53:43
veteran and you can you can bridge that way you have to remember we have a left
53:48
tackle bul signed we have a defensive tackle fully signed these guys aren't going to want to keep losing and losing
53:55
and losing and losing Dex Lawrence has even hinted at that he doesn't want to lose all the time at some point you got
54:00
to start winning and and so if you're going to do that I thought maybe they would go get the veteran if but we needed to win one or two games before we
54:08
got to the deadline at two wins what would be the point well it's just it
54:13
would be just to get the guy in again I use the analogy it's not the exact same
54:19
thing but would just get the guy in early like the Carri Collins thing getting him right so if you could get
54:25
next year's quarterback now you're you're already bringing him up the speed it's again it but you gotta but but if
54:30
you do that you got to play him right yeah I I don't want Daniel playing so
54:35
can you imagine so I'm looking at the schedule can you imagine after the buy if they make the switch and the
54:41
schedule's not easy after the buy but can you so they got wait one two three four five six seven games after we got
54:48
New Orleans Tampa on the schedule later we got Tampa first ands Ravens Falcons
54:53
Colts Eagles but can you imagine if they switched the quarterback after the buy
54:59
and went five- two so I'm not predicting that I am not predicting that I'm gonna
55:04
float something out to you I'm gonna I'm gonna float something out to you and I and and I'm I'm being somewhat factious
55:10
but I'm also being somewhat serious okay and I know he's been bad I think he's
55:16
bad by the way okay no oh the Colts just benched
55:23
Richardson Flaco's now the starting quarterback after what happened after Richardson
55:29
pulled himself out of a game and said he was tired and his passing has been all over the place and whatever you almost
55:36
can't go back to him in Indianapolis you benched him in an very obvious reason he
55:41
pulled himself out for being tired right if you're the Giants and you want to
55:46
roll the dice on a guy that you don't have you don't have to play right away do you make that trade do you offer well
55:53
it depends on the price and I brought this up before so you got the same thing in Carolina too so do you you have to
55:59
trust your scouting process because these guys were scouted by the Giants and so the Giants have to get a
56:06
quarterback there's one of three ways they can get a quarterback they can get use draft pick this upcoming draft the
56:13
downside to that is the guy could be terrible look how many guys are are are
56:19
now getting drafted and they're already getting benched right away but but I'm not saying don't do it I'm just saying
56:25
risk and plus and d and Shane are going to be Co coaching and gming for their jobs next year too if they survive so do
56:33
you want to put that on a rookie quarterback you either sign one in free agency and I don't think the free agent
56:38
Market's going to be particularly good I don't know what it what it is but you know I don't I don't think there's any names out there that everyone's going oh
56:45
he's going to be a free agent or you trade for some guy and if you trade for some guy do you get the
56:51
older veteran established veteran who's not
56:56
fantastic but he's acceptable and he might do better in a different situation or do you roll
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the dice like you just said the perfect phrase and go for one of the guys that were just drafted high and flamed out
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already and say we can fix this guy or we can work with this guy and there's a couple of guys right there that are
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going like you said I mean because I don't think Bryce is going to be long for Carolina either so some of these
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guys and if you can get them cheat like the Justus field situation do you do you roll the
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dice and say we're going to bring them in here and we're going to see can we work with them I don't think that's crazy I don't think so this is what I
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would do because I don't I think he needs development I think he needs development but if I were to find a
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quarterback right now in the in the draft or the NFL that's young that you can try to
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develop because you don't you don't know and I still think we might try to make sure you have a veteran on board later
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right but if we're just going to run this season out but we want to get a guy we can start working with here's what I here's what I would do and
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you're going to laugh as soon as I say it I offer to flop first round picks with the
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Colts because we're probably going to pick ahead of them they they've already got more wins and they're I think they have more wins maybe they have two or
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three but I think flacko is going to win them games that we're not gonna win but either way we offer that but we trade
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almost straight up I'll give you Deontay Banks you give me Anthony Richardson and we'll flip pick somewhere and we'll call
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it we'll call it a day you take our first round bust I'll take your first round bust and then we move on from
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there I could see it I w't discount it because he's a run he's a running he's a running quarterback he's a big guy the
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big S and yeah he's big and and he like you said he fits what D wants to do and the thing is is they've got to get a
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quarterback in here so some people are going to say screw I screw that I don't want somebody else who garbage let's
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just draft our draft a guy I would love to be able to draft the next Jad and
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Daniels and get him in here but the odds on that happening aren't great Harry Collins failed horribly in in uh
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Carolina quack have you can go back he but I'm saying is he failed horribly in Carolina and he had an alcohol problem
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in New Orleans that got him basically just booted out of there we take him on as a project Anthony Richardson has a
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Dogma right now that's going to stick over him that he basically said I need to come out and it's because I'm tired
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and he literally told the world he was tired and he came out on a third down play I mean you could have called the
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timeout you could have done anything to make sure you're still on the field nope I'm just coming off Poor Joe flacko
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38-year-old Joe flacko hey get ready buddy I know you've had all of four seconds to know you're about to go in
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and call the third down play but you go in I need a breather yeah that's what he did you can't you can't play again in
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Indianapolis the Giants should be on the phone if we're gonna risk it take a roll of the dice with a guy he's under a
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rookie contract we yeah we some dollars are going to have to move around some some picks and I would move Banks cuz
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Banks has got the same stigma well and I know and I know you're down on banks but I would hope that we could maybe even
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steal him for less than that though I mean so again the flopping the first round picks yeah maybe I I'm in board
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with that too throwing banks in there I I I don't know but we'll but what's more
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the quarterback you're off think you got to think outside you got to think all options are on the table at this point
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so what do the Giants think about the quarterbacks that might be on the trade market what do they think about the
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quarterbacks that are in the upcoming draft what do they think about the quarterbacks that are that might hit free agency
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so you can't answer the questions in a vacuum again so so how will you answer
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all three of those questions to determine what route you go what I'm operating under the assumption is is
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Daniel Jones is not going to be on this roster next year and lock is probably not going to be on this roster next year
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oh definitely not so so we have Tommy who they don't want to play
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right now maybe they'll do it after the buy I don't know but I don't the odds on him being anything is remote so they've
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got to bring in a quarterback and how do you bring in a quarterback and then if you do draft one is he your savior you're putting a
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lot of pressure on him to save a coaching staff and save because if the Giants go to the Giants are two and six
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again next by Halloween next year I and say d survives this I'm not convinced
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he'll survive this I'm not saying he's gone but I'm not convinced he's going to survive this but if he goes through if this happens again next year no you
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can't you can't keep losing games like this yeah no and survive he just it just does I mean you got to win it's like you
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keep saying you got to win at some point so so I I I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna run with it I I think we should I think we
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should make that call I think we should try I think Richardson's time in Indianapolis is up you you can't you
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can't put him back in after you made it very obvious that you benched him because of that it's not just that he
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hasn't played well because you could have pulled him out in the middle of the game for that you didn't you even let
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him go back but everybody and their brother's been talking about he pulled himself out of the game and he hasn't been playing well he was rushed into to
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be a starter too fast here's the other thing Giants fans what you really want to hope for is you want to hope that a a
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Super Bowl contending team I know it sounds bad has an injury at their quarterback position that may become
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desperate because they're they're so good they have enough players around them that they just you're not talking
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about trading Daniel again I'm trying to say like if we could dump no one want he
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I would put this that is not true even remotely true if I had nobody we played
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Mike Glennon for God's sakes because we didn't we and then Jake from if you're a Super Bowl Contender and you don't have
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a quarterback Daniel is at least a guy you know could you could just put him out there is he though is he well I mean
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as far listen you sell it as much as you can I but I do think we should go I I
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actually think we should really put in a feeler for Anthony Richardson if the Colts if the Colts really want to step
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away from that pick and I got a feeling they probably do after the embarrassment that just happened I mean you're starting Joe Flo yeah well and the thing
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is that the whole salary cap comes in you you have to have them take on keep some of the salary if you can well not
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if we give them Banks because then they take banks' salary yeah but the quarterback salary is going to be way out I mean remember we don't have a lot
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of cap room we don't we don't but their first round picks in is forward so so that might be something you logistically
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we may not even be able to do to the off season I don't know I don't know I don't know if that could be done I just saying I don't think you're what you're saying
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I would I I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility I think they've got
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to look at they got to get a quarterback they might as well start looking now the
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big question moving forward as I said on our last podcast now is the ticking clock
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on um Jones and possibly dble and maybe Shane
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so we'll have to see because these losses are going to be keep piling up and it's going to be really bad and I think I'm going to my comments on this
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note because we we're going yeah we go yep but when we do our preview this assuming Washington wins
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this is going to be very painful for Giants fans because we're going to see Jaden Daniels again who my God I I'm in
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the Washington DC area and there are people who people have been hiding hiding their
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Washington fandom for years and now I go out and everyone's got their Commander gear on like because holy crap I mean
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what just happened down down here in that game with against the Bears and you
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know they they feel like they they got their savior here and why wouldn't you and now we're gon to look at Washington
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and go oh my God now we're not the doormats of the NFC East anymore Washington's moved ahead of us and there
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oh by the way there's the guy we could have had had we not won a couple more games last year and it's gonna boy it's
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going to be right in our face it's going to bead the only the only saving factor for
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for for New York and New York media is the fact that Aaron Rogers and the Jets are such a [ __ ] storm that that really
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is the it would be far far worse and the Yankees are in the World Series Yanke
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all that stuff so but it would be far worse and I think it's G to get worse as the season goes on when the answers that
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that we keep hearing so uh we'll we'll kind of put it a pin in it there again the Giants there's no moral victories
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it's hard I almost feel worse when they play okay and and lose because you could
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just see all we needed was this and and you could probably win the rest of it even where we're deficient we're able to
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overcome which is why I I do feel okay with with d ball and Bowen but D Ball's
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comments are making me worried the things they keep trying to do and it's not working something is wrong with that
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and it's either what you said about oh we practice all this stuff isn't really true or there is one piece of that is is
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effing it up for everything and that's all it takes really is one weak link screws it up for the whole thing either
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way it's looking odd like you said it's getting weird the conversations the
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things that are being said we're literally talking about someone's attitude and yay we saw some fire and oh
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he studied and oh we'll you know we'll look at the tape dear God stop and we're counting down to the offseason already
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that that's where we're at right now seems like it yeah we are I mean no but I mean it seems like they're doing it I
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I agree I agree 100% I I thought again the demeanor in the press conference again again he's operating in a little
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sleep but I just felt kind of like I don't know we'll see but again where are
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we at in December did they steal a couple of wins and make us feel not feel great but just
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feel like there's something to work because there are some positives again the Tyrone Tracy's the Dexter lawrences
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there are positives on this team moving forward they got to get the quarterback
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they gotta get they got to get a quarterback and when we look at the preview later this week we do want to talk talk about you know Tyrone Tracy
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has a has a concussion that I doubt he plays that worries me and I and I almost just wouldn't well the thing is is I
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don't even if he doesn't have a concussion or well he definitely has a the protocol well he's in the protocol
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once you're in the protocol there are steps you have to go through to get out of the protocol I don't know if they have enough days for him to actually get
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out of the protocol that's true but I I even if he did I think I would just kind of Be Like H you know what we'll let
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single ter carry the ball out we'll let gray carry the ball lot we'll play we'll have Miller as a backup let's not risk a
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guy that I think is a a future starting running back for us because Malik neighbor still doesn't look 100% back
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yet either so no and I worry about his attitude every time the the losses start to pile up I oh sure why wouldn't you I
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worry about everybody's attitude don't worry about Dexter Lawrence's attitude even though he's you know he's who he is
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I mean and last thing there were a few there are a few guys stepping up in the locker room Brian Burns stepped up after
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the game said this team's got a grow up he said he came out and he said you know
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and and Greg van Ron apparently chewed out the team after the game which was kind of interesting for a guy that just
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came again this is a very young team we talked about this and that may be part
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of the problem here too because there's certainly not getting a lot of leadership from Daniel Jones because you you lead by example as well too and and
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uh and not that Daniel's not a hard worker and all that but there's not a lot of success so yeah so but you know
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people will who have knocked the Brian Burns trade I think Brian Burns has ended up being he plays hurt he he it
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matters to him he's trying I I I I like the player again he's another player I
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like on this team I think we've got players we just need to get a quarterback I agree so uh we'll we'll
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wrap up there of course like subscribe all that good stuff we're going to keep it tight uh we will be back with a preview I'm not sure which day just yet
1:08:49
that we're going to do that but we'll preview the Washington game and kind of going forward and all that good stuff and who knows maybe maybe maybe the
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Giants start looking to to get that guy on board a little early who knows we'll we'll see what happens but uh appreciate
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everybody listening and uh we'll catch up with you again uh very soon [Music]
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