0:02
So Flowers are doing everything that
0:03
people want. They are putting together
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the two powerhouses, the two superstars
0:08
that we want or are dreaming of
0:09
superstars. Maf Mitchkov and Trevor
0:12
Ziggress are playing together. We saw
0:14
one preseason game against the New York
0:16
Islanders. They played together with
0:18
Nikita Gruben. But is it a long-term
0:21
solution? And who is playing on the on
0:23
that other side? Again, long-term
0:25
solution. I'm joined by Ryan Gilbert of
0:27
brashi.com. I'm Thomas Williams of
0:29
Broadstrehockey.com to talk through this
0:32
magical pairing. Gilbert, how are you
0:35
I'm I'm doing fantastic. I thought you
0:37
were talking about us when you said
0:38
they're putting two two powerhouses
0:40
together to to talk about two
0:41
powerhouses here. So, yeah, it's No,
0:44
it's it's been good here to get back
0:45
into the swing of things, you know,
0:47
caring about the Flyers, caring about
0:49
the Flyers, losing a preseason game and
0:52
yeah, looking at different line
0:53
combinations. We've had all summer, you
0:55
know, be like, oh, will they try Zerris
0:57
and Mishkuff together? Well, on the
0:58
power play, yes, but five on five, maybe
1:00
not. But no, it looks like uh Rick
1:02
Tocket's going to give the the two guys
1:04
with with the bag of tricks there, put
1:06
them on the ice together and and see see
1:09
I know it's exciting cuz like you you
1:11
see all the clips after practice and
1:14
like they're working together after
1:15
after everyone's gone and like doing
1:17
little tip drills or whatever and just
1:19
like playing around and Mishkov is
1:20
playing goalie and all this stuff like
1:22
it's just it's it's super fun. So I
1:24
think it it ultimately just becomes this
1:26
like innate thing to always watch out
1:29
for. Like they could just pull off
1:30
anything at any time. Like Ziggress
1:33
never had that. Mishkov never had that
1:34
with like the responsible couture and
1:36
Zagris playing with like Troy Terry or
1:38
someone like in Anaheim. It's just like
1:40
you're never they didn't have a matching
1:43
like pairing that gets them almost like
1:47
there's like you never understand me.
1:49
They've been looking for they've been
1:50
looking for that miss missing puzzle
1:51
piece and they just have not been able
1:53
to find it. And now they're like they're
1:55
like let's practice Michigan's together.
1:56
Let's let's do aute passes. Let's let's
1:59
each pretend to play goalie after
2:00
practice. We're having the time of our
2:02
Oh my god. Yeah. No, exactly. So like I
2:05
think I think it just in on the ice
2:08
though like so yeah like they could get
2:10
along together and everything and it it
2:12
all works out but like on the ice how do
2:13
you how do you see it it working within
2:15
like at a game on five on five
2:19
Yeah that's the thing because like it's
2:21
fun it is fun to think about Mitchkov
2:23
and Zris out there together and knowing
2:25
you have that in your back pocket to
2:27
break out like if you need offense but I
2:30
I don't know if it makes sense for the
2:32
Flyers as a whole. I think that that's
2:33
the big question is all right is that
2:36
too topheavy with talent and will you
2:39
then need somebody who has no offensive
2:42
talent and like is basically a third
2:44
defenseman playing with them to cover
2:46
for them. So there there's a lot of
2:48
different combinations that can happen.
2:49
I I am willing to try it. I I figured
2:52
we'd see Zris with Mitkov together at
2:54
some point during the season and you
2:55
know I guess why not just go right out
2:58
of out of the gate with it.
3:00
No, exactly. like it it just I think it
3:03
it's this like trickle down effect
3:04
almost where it's just like you put
3:07
those two together but then the rest of
3:08
the lineup doesn't have that. The rest
3:10
of the lineup is like connecting that's
3:12
fine like that's fun and talk has been
3:14
talking about these duos. So if it's if
3:15
it's Ziggus and Mitchkov and and then
3:17
you get Coutur connecting and then you
3:18
get like Kates and Brink potentially
3:22
like you get these kind of ma matchups
3:24
but then it's just like you get one
3:26
lineup that's super again you were
3:28
saying like hyper like hyper offensive
3:31
skill everything like that and then the
3:32
rest of the lineup kind of just settles
3:33
into this like gray area of like they
3:36
can get there but are they willing to
3:40
then like then you're missing out on
3:43
potentially like Ziggress and Connectney
3:45
connecting and then you get Mitchkov
3:46
with Couttori and and bringing those and
3:48
like rising those two players into
3:51
different levels and like potentially
3:53
Yeah, if you have Ziggress and Mitchkov
3:55
together like that that's a pretty
3:57
topheavy offensive offensive team. Maybe
4:00
you know Tippet takes that step forward
4:02
that we're looking for. if it's, you
4:03
know, typicier connect. We've seen that
4:06
line before. We've seen the Forester
4:08
Kates and Brink line. But yeah, it it
4:10
almost turns into like, okay, you have
4:12
that that bottom bottom six, bottom nine
4:15
there, but if Ziggress and Mitchkov
4:17
aren't going, like you're not going to
4:18
have much offense going whatsoever. But
4:21
on the flip side of that, I do kind of
4:24
like it because I don't know if they
4:26
they will get the toughest matchups or
4:28
they would save the toughest matchups
4:30
for Couttori Conkne and say say Tippet.
4:33
Yeah, I Yeah, they probably would
4:35
because obviously Couttori is there and
4:37
like and I feel like talk it feel like
4:41
I'm saying I'm saying on the road like
4:42
at home you're putting Ctori or Kates up
4:44
against the top line, but like on the
4:47
is a team with a great defensive pair
4:49
going to play him against Victoria
4:51
Kknney or Ziggris and and Mitchkov?
4:55
Probably Zigg Mitchkov I would say like
4:59
and that that opens up Kenkne and Tippet
5:01
on the second line like
5:02
Yeah. And then you get into the mix of
5:04
like are are couturi and kudki I think
5:07
the answer is yes but are they good
5:09
enough to then take advantage of them
5:11
having against a them being against a
5:14
lesser like not the top pairing you're
5:15
not facing headmen you're facing Ryan
5:17
Mcdana or whoever like instead like it's
5:22
the question that's we can't answer
5:23
until we watch the games but like it's
5:26
uh yeah I think it's just like it's it's
5:29
either if you're going balance and then
5:31
hoping on like the skill being brought
5:34
out in players that are with them and
5:36
and potentially like Coutur having like
5:39
a even more of a rejuvenation than we
5:41
saw last year. Um, or are we going,
5:45
okay, let's let's just like put out all
5:47
the fun. They'll play however long, like
5:50
12 minutes, five on five and and like
5:52
hopefully a lot on the power play. And
5:55
then in those minutes, try to tread
5:58
lightly with like, okay, you're getting
6:00
tough competition about you're getting
6:02
your Anthony Cells. I'm just using
6:04
lightning players apparently, but you're
6:06
getting your Anthony Cellis as your
6:07
matchup and and your Headman and then
6:09
you're getting your uh I was just going
6:10
to say Barkov, but rest in peace. Uh
6:13
this uh like you're getting your top
6:15
defensive guys that are playing can
6:19
suffocate you and then it's just like if
6:22
some nights they Z and Mitch just won't
6:24
work together at all because of that and
6:26
then you're banking on Couturi and
6:28
connecting leading the way with the rest
6:29
of those minutes, right?
6:31
Yeah. And those those are all great
6:33
points, but while you were talking about
6:35
that, I'm thinking like what what do the
6:37
Flyers what do the Flyers want this
6:38
season? Like they don't necessarily want
6:41
to be a playoff team. I think they're a
6:43
team that wants to come out of the gate.
6:45
See if they can hang with with the big
6:47
dogs. See if you know if Zegris and
6:49
Mitchkov works, that's going to be
6:50
fantastic. If it doesn't, you're going
6:52
to start start off slow. You're going to
6:54
start off, you know, maybe going towards
6:56
that middling path again. And you're
6:58
like, "All right." then you go to a cell
7:00
and try to, you know, tank a little bit
7:02
maybe. But if we're talking about trying
7:04
trying to win games like yeah, Mechoff
7:06
and Ziggris are a great combination, but
7:10
then you just have pretty much three
7:11
defensive lines after that if Tippet and
7:13
Knee are the same thing that they were
7:16
last year. Like those are are huge key
7:19
pieces like Ctori especially, Tippet as
7:22
well. And like I think those are two
7:23
guys who you would not consider playing.
7:25
Well, Couttori definitely not, but like
7:27
I feel like Tippet and even Conknney I
7:29
don't know if you'd put up there with
7:31
with Ziggress and Beichkoff.
7:33
Yeah, like I think overall production
7:35
pro like I would put Connecting up there
7:37
like especially we don't need know if
7:39
Ziggers can even hit the point totals
7:41
that he's had before. Like if he hits 70
7:43
that's well above expectations honestly.
7:46
Um, but like I I think it's something
7:53
treated differently and and it's just
7:58
it it's almost like you have to bank on
8:03
again I'm repeating myself but like just
8:04
the other players stepping up and like
8:06
making sure that Tippet and Forester and
8:08
whoever else is playing with them and if
8:10
there's a rookie coming up like bump and
8:11
Gbankin later that could provide more
8:13
scoring depth than we had and it's not
8:15
Haway, Delorean in Ables, you're not
8:17
playing that on their fourth line. Um
8:19
like with zero offense.
8:22
At all except like Hway will score one
8:24
really sick goal a season. Um it you're
8:28
bank you're having more offensive
8:31
dependence on the rest of the lineup and
8:34
especially if they get suffocated. So, I
8:36
think it's it's more about seeing what
8:41
like I could see tip I could see going
8:43
with that line dependent on the team
8:46
totally like if you're playing Chicago,
8:47
yeah, put Zus Mishkov because they'll
8:49
eat them alive. Like if you're playing
8:51
Tampa, if you're playing Florida even
8:53
you're playing Florida two out of three
8:55
games out of the gate. So, like your
8:56
opening night lineup needs to be for
8:58
those for those big teams even without,
9:00
you know, Barkoff and Kachchuck.
9:02
Yeah, exactly. I'm pretty sure their
9:04
October schedule is is pretty tough as
9:06
Oh god. Yeah. Like I think they play the
9:08
Hurricanes a lot. Devils like Caps I
9:10
think or something like that. Like they
9:13
might I don't know. We don't have the
9:14
Yeah. They got the Hurricanes, they got
9:16
the Jets, they got they got the uh the
9:18
Senators there. Uh Panthers. Yeah. It's
9:21
It's like it's like 75% of the games in
9:23
October against playoff teams or
9:25
something like that. But um yeah, it
9:26
it's it's it's something that I think is
9:30
going to be interesting if they start
9:32
the season off with Ziggerson and
9:34
Mitchoff together cuz then it's really
9:36
telling us what the potential mindset of
9:39
talking is going into the season. And
9:41
and you were talking about it like I
9:42
don't know if they want to make the
9:43
playoffs, but I think I think that what
9:44
they want is to go into each game
9:46
believing that they can win
9:48
no matter what. and and last year they
9:50
could say they did that, but I wouldn't
9:52
say that after the deadline they they
9:54
did any of that. Um I think it was the
9:56
opposite, but I think they just want to
9:59
go into each game and just say we can
10:02
win this tonight because of this reason
10:04
and this reason and if this goes our way
10:06
and if Ziggress is able to pull
10:08
something out, if Mishkov is able to do
10:10
this on the power play, then um it then
10:13
we could do that. And I think it all
10:15
depends on really who is playing on that
10:20
That that's the big thing and the thing
10:21
I wanted to get into into here is like
10:23
are we are we just penciling in D'vorak?
10:26
That that is who Rick Tak mentioned in
10:29
practice I think on on after practice on
10:32
He said I'm not I'm not saying I'm put
10:35
somebody different, but sometimes when
10:36
you play with two highly skilled guys
10:37
like that, you have to have that
10:38
responsible guy. It might work. And I
10:41
think D'vorak is that guy that can win
10:42
battles in the corners and get the puck
10:44
to a guy like Seagris or Mitchkov. Uh
10:46
and of course we know D'vorak started
10:48
his career with Takit. You'll be very
10:50
much a fan of him. Probably signed here
10:52
because Takit was the head coach. And
10:56
the excitement of having Zegris and
10:59
Mitchkov together is kind of dampened by
11:01
it's like okay they're with they're with
11:03
Christian D'vorak because it's basically
11:05
like okay there was there with Scott
11:07
there was there was Scott Laden up
11:08
there. That's pretty much what Chris
11:11
D'vorak is this season.
11:12
Yeah. Like I think uh it's basically
11:16
just going to act as like a buffer
11:18
potentially, but I think he it's an
11:22
interesting like thing because he's not
11:24
like a terrible player. It's very like
11:26
you said, Scott Law's a good example.
11:27
Like I I'm reading his numbers here. His
11:29
his career high is 38 points, 18 goals
11:32
and 20 assists. Um I think that was a
11:34
talk of coach team so with Arizona. So,
11:37
I think um it's it's not terrible. 18
11:41
goals and nothing to sniff at. He's
11:42
probably going to be scoring at least
11:44
double- digit goals this season,
11:47
left-handed center, can play wing if he
11:49
has to, can pitch in on power play, too,
11:50
can kill penalties. Am I Am I describing
11:53
Scott Lauder or Christian D'vor? They're
11:55
careerhigh around 40 points. Like,
11:58
might score 15 goals.
12:00
Play on good OHL teams.
12:04
Yeah. Was D'Vorak a first round pick? I
12:08
Second round. Second round. Sorry.
12:10
Yeah, the difference there. But yeah,
12:11
that like that that's what it is. And I
12:13
like D'vorak. I think he has a little
12:15
bit more swagger than Scott Len did with
12:17
all due respect to uh to Scotty there.
12:19
like I I just want to see someone more
12:22
exciting. And I wrote the article on
12:24
street hockey.com on Friday. Go read and
12:26
subscribe there. And the guy I like is
12:30
Tyson Forester. Is that who you would
12:32
put there? Is that who you think has the
12:35
I Yeah, I I would I I think that would
12:38
be my preferred option just because
12:44
bump. That's bad. Uh there's there's a
12:47
potential extra like level to his game
12:50
than D'vorak and and we're hoping that
12:52
Forester is able to elevate and score
12:55
like 30 35 eventually. So, why not put
12:59
him with the skilled players right now
13:01
and see if that works? Because he's been
13:03
lumped in with these defense first
13:06
centers because that's all the Flyers
13:08
have basically had. But he's been lumped
13:10
in with like this role and
13:11
responsibility. So, it'd be really
13:15
to see it's it's basically also a try
13:17
out to see if if Forester is the
13:20
defensive two-way winger that we believe
13:22
he is or is it just because he's having
13:24
these positive impacts and able to do
13:26
these things because he has more space
13:28
on the ice because he's been playing
13:29
with Kates or Couture or whatever. So,
13:31
it's going to be I think ultimately a a
13:34
huge test for Forester if he's with
13:37
Eagerson Mitch as like I'm the
13:38
responsible one. I'm along the boards
13:40
and doing the work and and not saying
13:41
that Ziggris and Mitchkov won't do that,
13:43
but it's just who will do it more and
13:45
it's obviously Forester of that trio,
13:48
but I I think it's it's going to be more
13:52
of a try out to see like can you really
13:58
this line by yourself throughout all
14:01
like all three zones and can you work
14:04
with these players that are obviously
14:05
just their eyes towards the net and
14:07
that's all they care like not all they
14:09
care about. Mishkov is very competitive
14:10
in all three zones, too. But it it's a
14:14
it's a different dynamic for sure than
14:16
D'vorak. Um, but I think there's just
14:21
excitement that you could see and
14:25
more of that like I imagine these
14:27
players playing for the next five years
14:29
together and it's just it's just being
14:32
cemented that this is a line together
14:33
and it's their first or second line and
14:35
that's it. And you just have to like
14:37
okay that's put in stone and then you
14:39
have coutury connecting tippet whatever
14:41
and that's a pretty solid top six and
14:43
that will be it until Porter Martone
14:45
comes in in several months hopefully and
14:47
then Tippet gets the hell out of here
14:49
but uh like it's it it's just like
14:52
something that you just dream on of
14:54
happening for the Flyers of just like
14:56
having three players play extremely well
14:59
together and not like this duo of G and
15:03
Jake and then it's like whoever ever
15:05
plays next to them is going to be
15:07
getting points or whatever. Um, it's
15:10
something that you just want to see. So,
15:11
I think Forester has the highest
15:12
potential of becoming that and that's
15:14
why I think we both prefer
15:17
Yeah, I was trying to think of
15:18
something. I don't know if I could have
15:20
said that better myself. That that that
15:21
is the line you want to see years down
15:23
the road. A left wing, a center, and a
15:26
right wing. They're not playing there at
15:28
a position. They're they're all where
15:30
where they want to be,
15:31
and they all they all fit together.
15:33
Ziggress is, you know, playmaker can
15:34
score a little bit. Mishkov, same thing.
15:37
And Forester, you know, wins the
15:38
battles. Two-way player
15:40
has a great shot. Yeah, they
15:42
literally all of them can score 20 goals
15:44
easy. Like, of course, Mitch has
15:46
40 50 potential. And like
15:49
like but it's just different.
15:51
And and last year, Tyson Forester had uh
15:53
43 points, 33 points the year before.
15:56
That's already more than Christian
15:57
D'vorak had a season in his career. more
16:00
since he hasn't had 38 since 2020 like
16:04
well but he but he's an OL first rounder
16:06
so he's basically spot on sorry
16:10
but I I think the question is we were
16:12
talking about it it before a little bit
16:14
before we came on here is like how much
16:16
is the faceoff going to matter because
16:18
Trevor Zagris everyone knows he's awful
16:21
at faceoffs 40% can't win a faceoff but
16:24
do faceoffs like matter that much and
16:27
like should we be that worried because
16:29
you could Forester on the wing, have
16:31
D'vorak come out, take the face off or
16:33
Couttori come out and take the face off
16:35
and then get off the ice as soon as
16:36
possible for for whoever else.
16:39
Mhm. Yeah. Like I think at the end of
16:41
the day it's something that coaches care
16:43
more about than fans or or the players.
16:46
I'm sure players care, but like I think
16:48
in the end it's something that has just
16:50
been so ingrained of like FS face offs
16:53
equal extended periods of possession and
16:55
especially that Rick Tockett has said
16:57
specifically that this team needs to
16:59
cycle the puck. This team needs to hold
17:01
possession in the offensive zone. So,
17:03
it's something that I could see the
17:06
reasoning why they put D'vorak with
17:08
Ziggers and Mitchkov of well, if we
17:10
deploy them in the offensive zone like
17:12
we're doing a bunch of times because we
17:13
want to take give them favorable
17:15
deployment because they're Seagris and
17:17
Mitchkov, we need to win the faceoff.
17:19
So, why not have D'vorick out there who
17:22
is a career 53 uh.1%
17:26
in the faceoff dot like it's someone
17:28
that is reliable to be above 50% which
17:30
is pretty damn good. Like if you're if
17:32
you're I think Patricron is like one of
17:34
the only players like the best faceoff
17:36
man in the world and he was like 59
17:38
career or 60 or something like that.
17:40
That's the percentage points we're
17:42
talking about. Um, so it's obviously
17:45
better, but then it's also like
17:48
how much is that give and take of like
17:51
it's a it's a mental exercise that you
17:53
can't really think about and I don't
17:54
think you can even quantify into
17:56
numbers, but it's like okay, if you take
17:58
D'vorak out and put Forester, how much
18:04
in scoring wise? It's it's a lot better.
18:06
Skill-wise, it's a lot better. But if
18:09
they're not able to get the puck and if
18:11
they're not able to keep cycle and keep
18:13
possession in the offensive zone, how
18:16
much is that? So it's like if you say
18:17
Zess is like 42%. Let's say he increases
18:20
just like be a little bit positive and
18:23
say he's 42%. So it's like 11 points
18:27
lower than D'vorak's average.
18:30
But then so say you win 11 more faceoffs
18:33
out of 100, whatever that is. It's like
18:35
I think someone only makes let me see
18:38
this. You take like a thousandish
18:41
faceoffs like typically if you're
18:43
playing whatever on the in the top six
18:45
or whatever. Um so they're winning a
18:48
hundred more faceoffs throughout the
18:51
over 800 games. It's less than two
18:54
Yeah. So it's just like that much more
18:58
more faceoffs. But then you're also
18:59
losing your potential on scoring goals
19:01
when you have the puck.
19:03
Talking about the faceoff difference, we
19:05
have to stress that losing a faceoff
19:07
isn't always a bad thing. Like if if the
19:10
winger is Forester and the Zigg and
19:12
Ziggris is the center, Forester is like,
19:14
"All right, he's going to lose this. Let
19:15
me get ready to win this puck battle on
19:17
the wall." And and he can do that. Like
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faceoffs are keyed in on in important
19:24
points. You need to be able to win a
19:26
faceoff late in games on the power play,
19:28
on the penalty kill. But I think
19:30
worrying about something like this to
19:32
have such a downgrade at the wing just
19:34
isn't worth it. Especially when you can
19:36
just put him out there for the draw and
19:38
then change. Like it's
19:39
it's it's not like a set lineup like a
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batting order. Like you can you can you
19:43
can make changes in game.
19:44
But yeah, and even like to worry about a
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five on five before a season starts and
19:49
like to make a whole line about it. I I
19:51
don't think it's important. Excuse me.
19:53
Jesus Christ. I don't think it's I don't
19:56
think it's important enough to like to
19:58
put so much priority and so much focus
20:00
on it that it's like are you good at
20:02
scoring goals? Now I'm like
20:04
demonstrating with my pen. Are you good
20:05
at scoring goals? That's the main goal
20:07
of main goal of a forward line. Can you
20:10
score a goal? I think Forester makes you
20:12
much more likely to score a goal than
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D'vorak. Plain and simple. Like I think
20:17
I think the difference between Forester
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and D'vorak makes just being able to
20:22
provide offense and even defense like
20:25
they're pretty equal in their career so
20:30
that difference is bigger than the
20:33
difference between Zess and D'vorak
20:35
taking a face off. Who's taking a face
20:36
off? I think the difference between
20:38
skill and and ability to just win hockey
20:42
games make it between Forester and
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D'vorak just and I'm just repeating
20:47
myself is so much greater. It's such a
20:51
downgrade than the upgrade you get when
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D'vorak takes a face off instead of
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Yes. And just to add to that one more
20:58
one more little little statistic here.
21:00
Almost 60% of shifts are started on the
21:03
fly. Like on the fly, not a faceoff. and
21:06
Tak can maybe even work it so it's a
21:09
higher percentage for that line. So
21:11
they're not worried about that.
21:13
Obviously you have to worry about it
21:14
like after a faceoff, but if these guys
21:17
are stuck in the defensive zone they're
21:18
they might be screwed anyway.
21:20
Hey Dris just talked about Coutur's X
21:23
factor this whole time. So maybe he's
21:24
learned something. Maybe he's absorbed
21:28
But yeah, I I don't I don't
21:30
Yeah, I think D'vorak gets it out of the
21:32
gate. Forers injury is a good excuse to,
21:35
you know, keep him down the lineup, but
21:38
once they've had a bad record in October
21:40
playing against better teams, may maybe
21:42
you see see a change, I think.
21:44
Yeah. Yeah. I think I think you get that
21:46
out of the gate, but then uh see what
21:49
happens from there for sure.
21:50
You think if uh you think connect has a
21:52
chance of going there or they're not
21:54
going to put him on the left side?
21:56
I think the left side is hard, but then
21:58
also like what's your rest of the lineup
22:01
look like? is like Forester and Tippet
22:03
with Couturier. That's not a like I
22:05
don't know if that's a real
22:08
does. Does Bump make the roster then and
22:14
Yeah, maybe. Like I don't know. It's so
22:17
like I even thought the the thought
22:19
popped in my head like would it be so
22:20
bad even if like you get Couturier
22:23
Ziggress Mitchkov? I was thinking
22:26
that's a whole thing of like Couturi is
22:27
great at faceoffs, but then I think he's
22:29
offensively way better than D'vorak like
22:32
but but they want both of those players
22:33
at center. Ziggris needs to play center.
22:36
Ziggress needs to have enough
22:38
responsibility there. I mean
22:40
down the road bump could be fun with
22:41
them too. A Forester type that's going
22:44
you know, him getting a few weeks if not
22:47
months of pro experience. Um
22:50
yeah, Gbankin could be eventually as
22:52
well. you know, if they want to shake
22:53
things up. He did it in the first
22:55
preseason game there. So, there's a lot
22:57
of options. And Christian D'vorak, I
23:00
think, is probably one of my least
23:05
Yeah, I don't think it's going to be uh
23:07
too exciting, but we probably don't have
23:09
to live with it for very long. I think
23:11
that's the optimism.
23:13
Yeah, we can uh we can we can enjoy the
23:16
losses early on knowing we'll get the
23:18
the line blender going. But yeah, that I
23:20
think I think that's a good I think that
23:21
was a good talk about the lines and
23:23
potential with Zus and Mishkov because
23:25
it's going to be really interesting for
23:27
overall to just see how they play
23:29
together at five on five and in like
23:30
actual actual games.
23:33
Yeah, we've seen it on the ice. We've
23:35
seen it in preseason. We've seen the the
23:37
posts on social media, but getting them
23:39
five on five hopefully in the in an
23:43
opening night would be uh pretty
23:45
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