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Two Straws on Fightpass! Episode 17
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Nov 6, 2024
We have returned... to discuss last week's stacked UFC 286 fight card, 285 and Merab's hat. Also we have a quick recap of Jess's fightweek, the return of Jon Jones and Leon Edwards retaining his belt. The last 15 min of Two Straws is exclusive to UFC Fightpass so go subscribe por favor
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[Music] and we're back with another episode of
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two straws what up what up we're back with our
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bi-weekly I know it's been a while it's been a few weeks it feels like longer
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than it has just because it like it's yeah it feels like it's been a month I know you guys missed us yeah I know I
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know they were fading for it they were feeding for a couple straws and they're drink to stir with not short
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with or anything like that I mean we're talking about feelings
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we get it we totally get it and we're here to oblige so there have been some
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big cards yeah since we last talked yeah there was UFC 285 yes yes my card yes um
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I lost we'll address that
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it sucks like having a show and then having to come on and talk about things
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no matter what happens like you always know you're gonna have to have that you know Circle back to what happened in the
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fight but it's always kind of like do I have to it's like a assignment you know
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like a book report it's like you know your kid gets caught like doing something funky at school and then you
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have to sit them down and have the talk yeah we don't want to have this talk but we we gotta it's important it's part of
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growth and healing and learning process exactly exactly so yes so anyone
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avoiding the talk Jessica has to have the talk today so don't avoid that [ __ ] do the thing that
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you have to do that you don't want to create a safe space vulnerability all
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that stuff it's how we learn and how we grow exactly uncomfortable as it may be yeah and it's forces it maybe
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[Laughter] it is what it is
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um and then we had a not so big card in between and then we had UFC 286 which
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was it was like medium big I mean I felt like it was pretty big but only the one fight
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yeah that's fair you know like it didn't feel like extremely big I mean we just came from
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watching Jon Jones and zero gone I know right in a huge heavyweight Clash there
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was a lot of anticipation for that one there was a lot I feel like that like they kind of blew their wad pretty early
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in the year though because like how are they gonna top that one what's next like what are you gonna I don't care I know
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right I mean Connor isn't even in the testing pool right now so oh my God can we talk about
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like what's this [ __ ] gonna get intestineful like he's not no no
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International fight week for Connor fans sorry guys I know you already booked your tickets I'm making it no no I mean
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he may be in the stands oh yeah he may be cheering cage side with uh Jake Gyllenhaal have we talked about that we
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have to talk about that oh my God we have so much there's so much to talk about so let's uh maybe let's just start
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with 285. let's start with 285. so
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take it away um we can start with my fight I lost there there is again
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no it's okay I laugh at myself conversation I've had it so many times no it's totally okay yeah you know I
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mean the the thing that's challenging about fighting which you know I love this sport but the thing that's really
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challenging about only getting to fight not very frequently only you know a
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handful of times a year if that maybe a couple is that you can only learn from
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that fight and you have a lot of time in between to figure out what worked what didn't work
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the adjustments to make and that can be really challenging especially coming off of a loss because they're not quick to book you yeah you know and you just
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thought so it's just like you kind of just gotta like sit in the waiting pool yeah it really does suck
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and if they are quick to book you you should have uh you should think about it because
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there might be a reason you know bring in to for someone else that they want
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the same thing to happen to you with um I've been in that book too but it it
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really is um tough going from A Loss to everyday
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life I feel like the transition after when is a lot smoother like you you're
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you have your fight you win you have like this kind of like celebratory week is like a birthday week
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it is so much easier walking around and going to the grocery store if you got a black eye and stitches and you won yes
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but it's a whole nother Vibe if you're walking around the grocery store the black guy after a loss yeah it doesn't
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look like a battered woman don't look it please the Hat's pulled down oh it was it was
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pulled down but I needed to get wine yeah I mean of course you gotta fill up that cup
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many times you're like hey no makeup just like ah
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like whatever ask me about it yeah I'll talk about it yes oh did you see my black eye yeah I
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got this in a cage yeah I fight people in a cage the other girl yeah totally
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she's dead yeah but
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um yeah it's totally a different vibe it really is it's also it's also like yeah
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it's just a little bit weird like time goes by a little bit more slowly yep
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um yeah I feel like that happens after I win too but it's just weird because you have all this anticipation as well
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especially in a long fight Camp which is why I swear by short nose fights because I'm like I feel weird for only a second
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as opposed to and then it's like yeah it's gone as opposed to feeling weird for like four months you know getting
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ready to fight a person but uh yeah is that start just like shut down you're
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not training anymore you're not like focusing on a certain task anymore you
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just kind of in this limbo of what do I do now yeah so that's always more harsh
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when it's lost because you kind of think about like oh what could I have done if
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I could go back what would like you know would it be different and all this stuff at least that's where my brain goes I
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try not to let myself go there a lot because I feel like
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that's that's the hardest and then that starts getting into this like cycle of just like really
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un unhelpful unproductive thoughts like yes I want to learn and grow from the
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experience but I I do my best to try and have as short of a memory as possible
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goldfish brain Ted Lassa what By the Way season three are you starting to watch so excited I love the first episode I
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saw it it was pretty good yes I'm like I need I need more though I need you to release the whole season so we can just
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take the binge that [ __ ] yeah but it's probably better for us you know because I would be
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snorting it up like everyone else wanted to store it up by two strokes episodes yes why lasso
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checked it into my butt I need that feel good energy
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uh for those of you guys who who don't know what she's talking about the fastest way to a a high sometimes is you
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know when your nose shuts down you go up the butt yeah yeah especially when you want to stream
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content totally put it in the blood stream [Laughter]
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Conor McGregor doesn't know anything about that but High digress
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um so let's talk about your fight for like two seconds okay uh how do you feel about it what are you thinking like uh
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congrats to Tabitha by the way she's this really sweet girl really hard worker like you know she's a good
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fighter um yeah she's she's an up-and-comer she brings a lot of tools and um excitement
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to the cage for me this one this one is really frustrating because she showed up
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and and I didn't and that's where I go into
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you know trying not to think about Coulda Woulda you know all these things just walking
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out I just knew that it was going to be a really rough night for me because
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I just did not feel good and in those moments I
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like I was stuck in first gear and I couldn't get out of it and that's the most frustrating because I'm fighting
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someone who is really young and hungry and is going to bring the pace and if I
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let her outpace me then I lose yeah and I was just like it's gonna be a rough one yeah and that was really hard
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because like I can't call in sick I can't be like you know you know I'll do this later I'm like you
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know today's today's not you know I don't not feeling it today now you still gotta walk out there you still gotta put
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your big girl pants on and and do it and then deal with the consequences afterwards yeah
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um well I think it was um when cowboy Cerrone fought Conor McGregor uh he
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talked about just having that feeling of just not wanting to be there or just not
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feeling like he had it in him that night you know like you might have had like an amazing Camp he might have felt
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confident up until that night but some days you just wake up you're like [ __ ] and you know it happens to the best of
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us yeah it is it is what it is it's um I hadn't felt like that walking out
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to a fight before and it was really [ __ ] hard and I got you know normally I get emotional walking out you know
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it's I'm really happy to be there I'm really excited but I got emotional for a completely different reason and that was
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really hard um and that's just you know something that I get to learn and grow and reconcile from it's it's not fun and it
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like really really hurts but you know it's it's all part of it's all part of
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my growing process and yeah you know for sure it's uh it's the name of the game
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you know like uh yeah it's just a hard one and and it's really uh I don't I don't it's hard to
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compare that to anything you know just getting out there putting yourself out there and having to be on point on a day
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where you might not feel like you're on point like that I I've when I talk to regular people I try to compare it to
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showing up for a fight like getting ready for a break a big presentation or like a big interview where a lot rides
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on this one thing that you do in your entire portfolio beforehand may have nothing to do with what happens that day
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you know you have to cram all your energy all your skill into this one thing that you're doing and sometimes it
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doesn't come off the way that you want it to and it's it's just like such a heartbreaking thing sometimes you know
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it's like yeah yeah it's a tough one but yeah hey I got your back I got you back
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rolling keep the positivity rolling um but despite right that um the card
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was pretty insane uh there were a lot of finishes on the card we had the return
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of Jon Jones um dude bro we actually shared a pretty cute
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moment with Jon Jones and it was a feel-good moment it really was it was very Ted lassilex yes it was very nice
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the hell did I just say I said Tad leso X Oh I thought you said like elastic X
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I mean I knew what you were trying to you know I knew what you were trying to convey
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Ted's gonna let it slide no we have to
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I know we're gonna so I was like you know on on our you know promo videos we
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do our little like snippet Clips I have to start putting like the the word like the subtitles because that's how I watch
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TV right I can't watch without reading it you don't know what they're saying
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exactly especially Ted lasso there's a lot of accents these accents are crazy
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you and what this thing that you said we don't say that like some weird
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colloquialism I don't know what you're talking about maybe if I read it I can kind of get it but I don't know what you
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said um so yeah what I meant to say was Ted lasso-esque
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got it but yes tell tell the John Jones Story
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please so we were um we had just arrived and we were in our dressing room and Jon
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Jones um you know walks through we had um a restroom and the usada and
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commission testing rooms or like their little offices uh you know through the
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locker room and so he went in he did his business and as he came out we're sitting on the mat and he you know says
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what's up he comes over you know says a couple words and asks if he could give us a hug and I was like I need a hug it
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was very sweet it was really sweet it was very like big brother like polar
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bear hugs and since he's so much bigger now he is like he's got like he
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encompassed us he died he got the bear hug down yeah like both of us at the
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same time if you think about it we are the size like the two of us together are
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maybe close to the size of one Jon Jones so I don't even think we make it I don't
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I think we're off by about 20 pounds I think we need a bantamweight in there yeah we need just like
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yeah two straws one feather a little cocktail but uh yeah it was a
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really sweet moment um he left he as he left he said two queens I was like oh the spin-off
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I thought that was really sweet it was just like hey welcome back um we're gonna warm up the cage for you
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and he's like yeah let's get it so yeah you could tell he was happy to be back
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like he was just like walking around like the [ __ ] King of the Court you know like every time I saw him
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um backstage talking to the people who worked there and you have to think like he hasn't been in that environment in a
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long time he's got a lot of catching up to do yeah it's got a lot of hands to shake lots of babies to kiss yeah you
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know lots of people want on you know to get their their time yeah yes yes no he's definitely
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um I feel like he's definitely more of a poster child for the UFC than than a Conor McGregor because he came up
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before him but also like he's just always been that goat like he's never
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lost he's defended his title so many times he came in super young too so I
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think still the youngest Champion to to win in the UFC um and he just kind of is a staple in
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the sport so the fact that he was always in the in the in the cut kind of saying
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that he was going to come back but it never actually happened when he finally did I think everyone was just in awe of
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the fact that it's happening like oh wow it's finally happening I wonder what's gonna happen I mean we've been talking
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about it for so long yeah I just kind of I just assumed it was never gonna happen I think it's probably never gonna happen
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yeah um but it happened and and
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magnificent effect dude it was insane how he put away Cyril gone who was so
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impressive he's so impressive he has starched so many Strikers has like uh
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been on you know the good end of every decision except for the last one against
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sanganu we knew the takedowns were probably gonna be like part of the game plan but when Jon Jones shot in and
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Cyril gone it was like the easiest thing ever like he just went blue took him
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down made him work a bed and then as he was getting up sunk in that guillotine it was just yeah it was
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effortless as as a a huge heavyweight title fight could possibly be right uh just how we
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imposed his his will his game plan on somebody who is who is you know
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number two he's good he's really really talented he's he's so good he was number
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one until that day yeah yeah it's so impressive that he was he was gone for
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as long as he was he you know went through this transformation and it's he
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came back better yeah he did not lose a beat he he gained some beat he gained
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ground like how did you do that Mike yeah some beats all right so a lot of
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people were making fun of his physique well including me I remember I was
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guilty remember every time it showed up she was like have you seen you see it
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I'm like why would they post that no it's like it's like when we're trying to
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take a cute picture and it's we don't hit the angle right you know so you look more like like a
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refrigerator instead of like a curvy Coke bottle like they set him up they
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okay so there were a few pictures where they said John Joseph these photographers have they they are cold
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blooded I have I have seen some of my pictures that they've sent me you know in the little app thing like oh the UFC
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has sent you pictures and I look and I'm like why that one why why would you do that one out of all pictures yeah why is
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the contrast so boosted what the [ __ ] is your problem what are you
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trying to do filter where's the airbrush where is Paris me yes put a Paris on it
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yeah get rid of that purple you know I don't want that pimple there why did you do that they did John Jones
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dirty they did them dirty like those photos should not have seen the light of day it was like he looked good from
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straight on but he hit the three-quarter of you and you can see the little poofa the little and not only that but he was
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probably like in between breaths yeah he was relaxed and he had just gone from like a breath hold post we reflecting
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really really hard and he relaxed and they took the picture yeah he was breathing out their dick it was like a
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little belly breathe yeah so that that uh that photo was yeah
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it was it was pretty bad it definitely um helped the Optics of Jon Jones not
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being ready maybe maybe that let Sarah gone like let his guard down a bit
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excuse me maybe that added to how quickly he was able to take him out of there I don't
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know man I don't see him taking that so seriously you cannot rely on your your
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opponent coming in out of shape especially at heavyweight like look at Derrick Lewis you know look at tattoo of
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us look at um I feel like Derek what's the original not the best Roy Nelson oh
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my God Big Country the original oh my God Ben Rothwell yes like those guys are
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explosive as [ __ ] strong [ __ ] durable sturdy good ripping [ __ ] yay yes I can't
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put Derek Lewis in that category though edges Derek Lewis can throw a head kick fifth round of fight you know like
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that's I'm gonna leave it at that a jumping switch kick at that have you seen this jumping switch cake
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it it's not like a jumping switch kick though that like a flyweight with them
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yeah it's more like a skip it thank you yeah you're exaggerating just like I was
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good skip it I never had one but that was good I was good my friend had one I
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was like but it was it's like a skip it head kick but it was still good it's still fast
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it's like when I try to do a flying knee
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actually like you get up there you have the flexibility in the hips okay
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um and then my ankles are like no wait where's the floor
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gotta be ready for that floor when you jump up oh my gosh um so yeah Jon Jones looked amazing
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um there are a few more fights on there but um Valentino shevchenko yo how the [ __ ] freaking Alexa Grosso what the hell
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uh so I was really impressed with Alexa in the first round
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um because she was putting it on her she was like stopping her with straight punches and then she had some really
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good cage control but then after the first round uh shiv Chinko started getting a rhythm so I'm finding like you
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know where to attack where to get the takedowns and stuff it should go to school in Grosso for the next two rounds
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but then in the fourth she had this moment of Brilliance her
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inner Corner they had seen in tape that shevchenko likes to throw to spin and things and they planned to take the back
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well she had thrown it like a couple times in that fight I think the
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I I don't remember how many times but I knew she threw it and she like she stuck it too yeah yeah she she she likes to
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throw that spinning cake um when they circle out when they like disengage because you know they're gonna
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come right back in and then spin kick comes out and it like it can freak you out from coming back in too hard because
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you don't want to eat that so the liver it sucks it sucks so much that one hurts
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um so she drew it out Valentina spun and she jumped on that back the timing was
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perfect it was oh my gosh beautiful and what did you think about like how she
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took the back because it was so fast from the span to Grasso jumping on the
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back she got her arm under her neck immediately and sochenko didn't even
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really fight the hands she didn't she didn't why
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I mean they're sometimes there there are moments when somebody like snatch it
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because she didn't it's not like she technically progressed she jumped on it
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I'm on your back and I'm really naked choking you right yes because this is my one and only opportunity and I've got to
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take it and I've got to put everything into it which she she had to when she did yeah and it was successful
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and it's sometimes there's just these moments when you're like when somebody
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does something that's a little bit unorthodox or kind of I don't know just not the way you're
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used to being trained with that catches you off guard yeah it really really does and it can take you out of it for for
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long enough to where like the other person can capitalize oh yeah fight the hands eyes
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too late yeah and I mean it I remember it was up
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it was more up on her face I thought I thought she thought that maybe she was getting out and maybe just the pressure
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she couldn't she couldn't wear it anymore yeah yeah my theory is that because it she jumped
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on her while she was in motion um she didn't prioritize fighting the
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hands as much as bracing on the floor because as soon as she jumped on there
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she was going face down into the floor and I think if she had like at least anticipated that this was a possibility
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she would have gone straight to like you know grabbing or grabbing her arm trying
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to fight the hands trying to like at least push the elbow up off of her face but it was a surprise like you said so
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she's like ah ah and then that's when it sunk in and a lot of times like that
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little millisecond is the difference between surviving and having to tap out
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yeah it was it was really impressive it it's hard like I'm not emotionally vested in
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either one but I I admire and respect both women and so it's like
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seeing chefchenko lose that way it's like it's kind of hard you know she has this
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like Mystique about her yes I thought that she lost a previous fight
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but she does she has this like Mystique about her you know and then you have
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Alexa Grosso who I'm like all right she kind of got this title shot kind of fast I'm not mad at it I I understand how she
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got there and why she got there I think she deserves it but it's just like this this up-and-comer so there's also like oh man I kind of I kind of wanted to get
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it but then I I want shipchanical to keep her Mystique in this like you know this like super hero kind of thing going
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on but then like oh man wouldn't that be amazing story if Alexa Grosso won yeah you know it's just kind of conflicting
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and like I would have been again not emotionally invested but bummed for the
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story you know the the end of the story um and then also really excited for
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whoever won so it's just like you you're bummed for Chef Django story I would be
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bombed for like the end of her story you know losing the belt I would have been sad for Alexa you know losing
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her opportunity her opportunity um but then also really excited for the
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storyline of of both of them to win if that makes sense yeah well like we have a storyline now because there's a
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possibility of a UFC Mexico City um they love that show because they have
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like one of the biggest Arenas in the world and people come out they sell it out every time they go to Mexico City so
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there's a possibility now because you have Alexa Grasso you have yeah Rodriguez and you have Brandon Moreno
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who could all like easily headline a three title there is no way that that's going
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to happen and there's not going to be another freaking Riot anytime so I've been a guest fighter in Monterey I've
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been a guest fighter at Mexico City and every single time it is like damn near
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terrifying yeah the amount of security that is necessary for Fighters just to
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walk around more or less in Brazil you know I've never been to UFC in Brazil
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but was anyone mugged in Mexico when you were there yes multiple this one just
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one oh there's one but they they wouldn't let us walk around with our without an arms guard yeah and like
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military escorts yeah it's insane it's definitely a thing like I I was
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surprised I thought we were just trying to get through traffic the first time I fought in Mexico City but I'm like oh
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they might kidnap me yeah that's a possibility oh okay I get
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it now um but uh you know that passion is why
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they go there because the fans are are like hyped to be there everything sells
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out they sell all the all the bootleg t-shirts and the stands next to it you know like it it really is like a big
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thing for the city when the UFC comes to town and uh even even last time I fought
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in Mexico City I fought there twice we stayed at the same hotel and I got a
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note from like or no I ran into one of the guys who were working there the
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first time I was there years later like at least I think four or five years later and he
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remembered me and he's like oh all of us Angela I remember when you came here last time I hope you enjoy your stay and
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it's it's just you can tell that the people are really excited to have you there they really appreciate Fighters
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and Mexico just has that like fighting Spirit uh like just years of history
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with boxing and now MMA so I would be stoked to go to that card if that
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happened because oh yeah it would be insane but you know if you're fighting there and you win you're not Mexican
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bring an umbrella for the beers oh my God uh but I think that would be
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insane and I think chefchenko is a down [ __ ] she would be down to go on
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to enemy territory and snatch her belt back like that that's her vibe but I do
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remember watching um re-watching the Santos versus versus
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chefchenko fight and I saw some of the same mistakes she made in that fight in the Grasso one like little moments where
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she would get a little frustrated and try to just like go for a big takedown and they're kind of those sacrifice
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takedowns where if you aren't in the right exact spot you don't have the weight loaded properly then you end up
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on your back and she ended up doing that like once or twice in the fight and it started um you know it started to feel
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like she didn't address the issues from the Santos fight because maybe she didn't feel like she needed to she felt
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like she passed that test already yeah she won the fight so she's not rematching her she's moving on to this
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girl who's a boxer she has a submission but you know she probably dropped the girl first before and she I think she
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dropped uh uh JoJo before she subbed her Grasso did so so I I definitely feel
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like ship tanker was taking her ground game not too serious seriously and now that she doesn't have the belt anymore
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she has that fire to really focus on that and get better and come back
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stronger so I would I would love to see that rematch happen in Mexico City and
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she's probably gonna get the rematch right she'll get it immediately yeah she must like such a dominant Champion
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there's there's no way that they wouldn't I mean who I mean there are
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there are girls in line but nobody I think could really like overstep that
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opportunity and it's got to be in her contract too she's an immediate rematch that she loses the belt it must be it
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must be um if not the fans would be livid um but I mean I think it's okay to jump
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ahead to yossi 286 we had kind of a similar thing with Edwards versus Usman
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man him getting that Hail Mary in the last round of their second fight the
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last one that we saw and now we got to see Leon Edwards who did you think was gonna win before last night
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I was interested to see the shape of Leon Edwards because
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he fought an altitude he doesn't necessarily train an altitude the way Kamara Usman does so I was really
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interested to see how much of a factor that could have been in the second fight and I I think he showed
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that you know it it very well could have been you know something that really dragged him down if you don't live in
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altitude and and train in altitude for a fight in altitude it is
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it's taxing it sucks go back to my first Mexico City fight you know better than
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anyone I was in the mud like it almost feels like uh one of those dreams where
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you're fighting but you can't quite throw the punch it takes everything in your body just a
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jab like that's what it feels like I've I've fought in altitude before but I got
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there right before weigh-ins I weighed in and then I fought the next day I felt
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okay I felt a little a little labored but nothing
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compared to what I felt when I was a guest fighter in Mexico City and I woke up with him I like to use the restroom
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and I thought I was gonna die oh no from the walk across the hotel room to the
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restroom back to the bed I thought I was gonna die dead it happens it is insane it's weird
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you feel like the sky is on your chest yeah like you can actually feel gravity
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up there like beating down on you it is really it's really horrible it's like
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how they say in on uh in the close in the uh planets closer to the sun your
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weight is like tripled or a million times heavier I'd beat it like 10 000
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pounds on Mercury or some [ __ ] that's what it feels like the closer I get to the altitude or to the universe what is
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that thing called the out the thing that's on the outside of the ozone yeah the closer I get to that atmosphere or
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something yeah ozone the heavier I feel so you can feel that coming down on your chest yeah like when
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you when you first get to altitude and it's funny because you either do it the way that you did it when you fought you
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come in you weigh in and then you fight the next day and you're good and you're good you like just miss it you're
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getting on the plane you're like [ __ ] I'm tired you know I'm tired good thing I'm going home or you stay for at least
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three weeks and you acclimate and that second week is [ __ ] but then third week you start to bottom out and then
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you're ready to fight so yeah it's it's really rough if you don't know that
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science yeah yeah that's a thing I'll be fine it might never matter and then
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you're in the fight like [ __ ] no no it's real but lucky for Leon he was able to
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overcome that and get that knockout in the fourth round and get a do-over and
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from the second fight it really did seem like he had usman's number he really did
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it was I I think it came down to to strategy what I saw at Usman do was he
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he knows that he's a dominant wrestler yeah you know he knows that he can you know take him down and
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and score and get a victory that way by holding him down but what I saw was Leon
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was stuffing the takedowns making it hard and Usman wasn't making the adjustments to
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just not wrestle yeah like every once in a while he would throw a punch on the break but he wasn't really
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punching Landing to get in and then mixing it up he just kept going for the
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takedown and I think they said that he was um what was it he only got three out of however many take down attempts wow
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and that's that's unlike Usman Usman gets you he's gonna get you well the the
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couple takedowns that he got looks really easy like he just got him effortlessly like I remember there was
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like a single leg it was just like Bob dump like a like yeah but yeah there
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wasn't he wasn't capitalizing with with punches and scoring so it just looks like he took him down and then Leon was
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getting up really well even when Usman did get him down with ease he rustled back up and USANA wasn't
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scoring off of it so I just I understand the scorecards I understand why they
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would give it to Leon yeah um what did you think about the point
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deduction ah I thought it was fair yeah I really
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did I did I feel like they should have started him on the
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ground without a point deduction I'm not sure I feel like maybe there should be a
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choice like the if the if the fighter who was filed against thinks that they
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could finish from that position and they don't want to go through taking them down again then they can say start me
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underground or if if they just want the point deduction if they want to know I
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won that round now I can make it a 10-8 then start on defeat
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um Usman wanted both he was like hey why aren't we starting on the ground and I
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don't think I this must be a new rule because we didn't see this until uh last
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weekend where it was Davey Grant versus uh Rafael asankao and David Grant did
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the same thing held the cage stop the takedown from happening some cow was like you know going for a Hail
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Mary takedown like this is all I got and the takedown didn't happen took a point
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from David Grant but then the sun Kyle ended up getting knocked out so or submitted sorry so um
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yeah I feel like this must be a new rule like you the fence grab has to be
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addressed immediately if it affects the fight but it's going to be a point deduction but you don't start on the
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ground and I'm not sure if that's fair because some Fighters might prefer just starting on the ground without the point
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deduction I mean I I get that I hear that I think I remember I'm pretty sure I remember
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Herb Dean saying I I can't put you on the ground because I don't know where the takedown would have ended up do you
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know what I'm saying yeah because it was it wasn't just one it was like hold on clock it was like trying to put a cat in
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a bathtub like he was really like it would he he grabbed the fence a lot I'm
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not mad at the the point deduction but I also understand that we don't know where he was gonna land yeah
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so it's like how do you and that could complete like yes the fence grab could completely change the
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course of a fight but so could putting somebody in a position that we don't know exactly how they would land yeah
38:37
but if you use all your energy to get them to the ground and that was like
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your last bit of gas for that how distraught are you about the fact that
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you have got it in front of them again no especially when this guy is like a better Striker than you you're like you
38:55
took everything in your power to get in and get on this leg and then they take that away
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oh yeah no it's devastating it completely changes the course of the fight it you know mess with you mentally
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physically emotionally like it's it's devastating I there's it's it's hard though to to pick what's what's right in
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that situation I think the point was valid I just I understood that you can't
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necessarily dick like pick exactly where he was gonna land yeah and that's that's a hard decision to make maybe taking the
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point but starting them in that because in the same position a single leg Yeah I get that before that yeah and for that
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but to put somebody on the ground is is hard if they weren't already there yeah
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if we didn't see where he was going to land like if he didn't touch down and hit like just just even briefly I think
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that's challenging but I am all for putting them in the same position that
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the the foul happened uh if that makes sense and I wonder why they didn't
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decide to do that no they didn't it seems like the easiest solution like okay yeah good point and then start back
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on the leg you already used your energy to take them down and didn't happen so like you know ever It's All is fair no I
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agree with you and I think that's what used to happen right like they used to start them back in that in that whatever
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position they stop them in but I've seen it before I I just I haven't seen it in
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a while I don't think I've seen like really awful fence grabs like
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normally the refs are they'll catch it and bat the hand so that they let go and then they get you know taken down it's
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usually caught but um so yeah I haven't seen this situation in in a while yeah this one uh was
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definitely one that swayed swayed the fight because he was swinging
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them like uh like a flag you know and Edwards just grabbed briefly but it
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definitely kept them upright so oh yeah yeah um I'm trying to find the scorecard to
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see what happened with that but uh one person scored a draw it was uh yeah it
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was a draw and then two had it what was it 48 no wait must have been 49.47
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47 48 49 47 okay I think that's what it was the two judges had at the same score
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and then one headed to draw no 47 40. okay
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oh here it is it was
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oh no that's not all right
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I hit the button oh no not the button I hit the button no I hit an ad and then I
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hit uh these things the worst oh they're the worst okay here we go
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okay one judge scored 48 46
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Ben cartilage oh we know that guy another judge scored 48-46 uh Chrisley
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and then the last one 47-47. um I kind of felt like 47 47 was the
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most Fair score because of the point deduction I felt like Usman had two rounds
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in the bag and I felt like that was a fair score but um these other judges
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only gave Usman the round that he got the point deduction in didn't give them
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the second they gave Usman yeah they only were Chris Lee gave Usman
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the third round and actually wait how does this work
42:49
Ben cartilage gave Usman the oh okay mid cartilage gave Usman the
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fourth round and that's it so cartilage and Chrisley both only gave
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Usman one round I would give them two I I forget which round it was I thought
43:12
it was the second and third yeah at that second and third he Usman did his due
43:18
diligence was looking good and then Leanna Woods took it away in the last two yeah I gave Liam the First with all
43:24
those freaking left kicks my god dude oh my stomach just like ached for him ugh
43:37
that was payback for altitude you know you feel the same way oh my God altitude
43:44
basically feels like you got kicked in the liver God yeah he kicked him so many times I was like oof yeah he's trying to
43:51
take him down a notch for the rest of the fight yeah so that's really odd because I I did not see Usman winning
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the fourth round but that was what big cartilage gave him yeah I didn't see that and neither of the judges gave
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Usman the second round and I thought the second round I thought the second round Usman got it yeah and I think his
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coaches did too so I get why people are saying like hey this man won that but I
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also feel like if you don't count the fence grab if you don't count the point
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deduction then it's Leon edwards's fight so maybe that's probably why Usman has
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been very respectful because he felt like he lost three out of five rounds
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um but there's definitely a case for a draw I feel like yeah I just think
44:43
I don't know I never even take draws into consideration an MMA because they're just they're like the the white
44:49
whale they're the Unicorn they're like they just don't happen even though they they honestly like could and should in a
44:55
lot of situations they just don't like they don't do that yeah you're not allowed
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what's wrong with you Dave Dave latherby
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what were you thinking how could you let that happen um so I see the case with that another
45:13
close fight on uh 286 was um fatori versus
45:19
how do you say it Geo dollars DLC
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how do you say it I don't [ __ ] know I don't know either
45:31
uh the vittori fight that guy the Victoria fight it was super close though
45:37
so I'm not like mad at the split decision yeah I felt like it was a really hard fight to judge and could
45:45
have been a draw could have gone either way it is what it is what are your feelings on Marvel toy
45:53
personally or as a fighter personally whatevs I don't know him
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personally but um as a fighter I think he's kind of
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inconsistent like I I think that he does the same thing and sometimes he does it
46:12
better times than other um he reminds me of kind of like a a
46:19
cartoon character like a lovable Dopey cartoon character
46:27
I like him I think you would I think he's like yeah
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like like you said a lovable cartoon character I think he's just like wears
46:38
every emotion on his sleeve yeah and it's really funny
46:43
no like I don't know I think I think I think it's adorable and the fact that he's
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Italian just makes it even more of a stereotype and I love it I know
46:58
we use the hands a lot and sometimes he can't understand what they're saying but because they're not articulating
47:04
anything very well it's like an Italian Biff from uh
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from uh uh [ __ ] time travel movie
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[Laughter] the name of that movie uh back to PJ
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yeah yes no he really don't even like a little bit like him yeah exactly so I I
47:30
really like him um any other fights you want to talk about yes but I think we should take a
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